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Chlodovech
Wednesday, July 17th, 2019, 11:46 PM
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Not that the people of Northern Ireland want this, but they had no say in the decision.

From LifeSiteNews (https://musingsofanoldcurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2019/07/with-northern-ireland-govt-in-crisis-uk.html?spref=fb&fbclid=IwAR3bJhHoCbS7F0tKHAXvybiza9Y2hMT 8uNqKIFz6_9gXZ8RtN6Pa9IR2pb8)

By Lianne Laurence

BELFAST, Northern Ireland, July 9, 2019 (LifeSiteNews) — British M.P.s passed amendments Tuesday to legalize abortion and homosexual “marriage” in Northern Ireland if the devolved Northern Ireland Assembly at Stormont is not restored by October 21.

The British parliament voted 332-99 on Labour M.P. Stella Creasy’s amendment to the Northern Ireland (Executive Formation) Bill to legalize abortion in Northern Ireland, the BBC reported.
British M.P.s also voted 383-73 in favour of an amendment by Labour M.P. Conor McGinn to legalize homosexual “marriage” in the region, according to Extra.ie.

Abortion is allowed in the United Kingdom up to 24 weeks but is illegal in Northern Ireland, allowed “only when the mother’s life is at risk” or if there is risk of “permanent, serious damage to her mental or physical health,” reported the Catholic News Agency.

Homosexual “marriage” likewise is not recognized in Northern Ireland.

The British Parliament’s Northern Ireland (Executive Formation) Bill is intended to keep government “ticking over” in Northern Ireland, where the devolved executive has not been functioning since a bitter split in 2017 between the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Sinn Féin, according to the BBC.

The bill allows the Northern Ireland Office to defer an election of a new assembly until October, or even January 2020 if necessary. Negotiations between the Northern Ireland’s political parties have been ongoing since May 2019, the BBC reported.

With M.P.s approving the bill’s amendments Tuesday, the British government is now “obliged” to pass laws legalizing abortion and homosexual “marriage” if the Northern Ireland Office does not call a Stormont election before October 21, Extra.ie reported.

Both the abortion amendment and the homosexual “marriage” amendment include the condition that if Westminster passes such laws, a future Northern Ireland Assembly could overturn or amend them, according to the BBC.

Clare McCarthy of Right To Life UK condemned Tuesday’s Westminster vote as “an unconstitutional and disrespectful attempt to override devolution in Northern Ireland and to attempt to impose abortion on demand on the Northern Irish people.”

“It is totally constitutionally inappropriate to bring forward abortion amendments to a Bill which has nothing to do with abortion in any way, to legislate on such a sensitive matter,” McCarthy said in a press release.

“The law on this issue should be a decision for the people of Northern Ireland and their elected representatives, not for MPs in Westminster to decide.”
Meanwhile, Archbishop Eamon Martin of Armagh and Bishop Noel Treanor of Down and Connor strongly condemned the abortion amendment last weekend, Catholic News Agency reported.
They urged Catholics and pro-life citizens to contact members of Parliament to object to the amendments before Tuesday’s vote.

Martin is “deeply concerned by suggestions that amendments are being considered to the Northern Ireland (Executive Formation) Bill ... which will hijack this Bill to remove existing legal protection for unborn babies and to ‘fast track’ the legalisation of abortion on demand in Northern Ireland,” he said July 6.

“How tragic it is for humanity that some legislators would ‘fast track’ the ending of the lives of the most defenceless in our society,” said the archbishop.
“It is urgent to restore an executive in Northern Ireland, so that the common good of all our people can be served,” added Martin.
“There is something particularly cynical, however, in taking advantage of the present political crisis to remove the right to life of the most vulnerable of our people; the unborn baby. The common good cannot be served in this way,” he said.

Bishop Treanor circulated a letter at weekend Masses in his diocese, which includes parishes in Antrim, Down and Derry, asking Catholics to contact their M.P. “to register their objection to this undemocratic process,” the Irish Times reported.

It is “vital” that Northern Ireland citizens “and especially Christian citizens, take note that the Northern Ireland (Executive Formation) Bill, now before the Westminster Parliament, is being used to introduce amendments aiming to liberalise provision of abortion in Northern Ireland without the say-so of either the citizens of Northern Ireland or their elected representatives,” the bishop wrote.

Treanor viewed “with the deepest concern this eleventh hour initiative by some MP’s to table amendments to a Bill, whose primary function is to put in place measures to accommodate the ongoing absence of a Northern Ireland Assembly,” he wrote.

“The issue of the protection of human life and the redefinition of marriage are not … devolved matters, which should be decided upon by the people of Northern Ireland,” Treanor stated.

Democratic Unionist Party deputy leader Nigel Dodds denounced the decision by Labour to add amendments to the bill as “deeply unhelpful” to the talks at Stormont, and said it was wrong for M.P.s at Westminster to try to take control of such issues in Northern Ireland, according to the BBC.

Bishop John Sherrington, auxiliary bishop of Westminster and life issues spokesman for the English and Welsh bishops, also urged Catholics to object to the bill’s amendments, CNA reported.

“Such a change would leave Northern Ireland with a significantly different abortion framework to the Republic of Ireland, where, following the recent referendum, there is a twelve week limit,” Sherrington stated.

“It would also leave Northern Ireland, England and Wales with some of the most extreme abortion laws in the world, and more than twice the limit of most European countries,” he said.

Right to Life UK said if the amendment passed, it “would potentially lead to significant numbers coming across the border for abortions from the Republic of Ireland,” where abortion is generally limited to up to 12 weeks, reported CNA.

jagdmesser
Thursday, July 18th, 2019, 09:22 AM
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A billboard urging a 'no' vote in the referendum to preserve the eighth amendment of the Irish constitution, a subsection that effectively outlaws abortion in most cases, in Dublin.



A controversial vote designed to liberalise abortion laws "treats the people of Northern Ireland with contempt" congregations at Northern Ireland Roman Catholic services were warned on Sunday.



Baroness Nuala O'Loan and Church of Ireland Archbishop Lord Eames were behind the letter which was handed out to churchgoers and was addressed directly to Prime Minister Theresa May.


MPs have backed plans to bring in same-sex marriage along with changing abortion laws (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/09/mps-vote-extend-same-sex-marriage-abortion-northern-ireland/)if the devolved government is not up and running again on October 21.


It formed part of a Commons debate aimed at keeping Northern Ireland running in the meantime and MPs also tabled a series of amendments, including one on the issue of abortion.


MPs backed the same-sex marriage amendment by 383 votes to 73, while the abortion amendment was backed 332 to 99.




But the letter underlines MLAs in Northern Ireland have voted in opposition to a shake-up of the abortion rules back in 2016. "The imposition of this legislation on Northern Ireland in its current form, voted for only by MPs who do not represent constituencies in Northern Ireland, would represent a massive democratic deficit," the letter said.

"The manner in which there has been an attempt to change abortion law in Northern Ireland this week treats the people of Northern Ireland with contempt."

"It has the capacity to undermine the delicate political calibration between Northern Ireland and Westminster and to cause significant damage to attempts to restore the Northern Ireland Assembly."



The letter made clear they felt there was a lack of debate or consultation before the proposed changes were backed. It underlined that Westminister would be "complicit in the constitutional abuses which occurred last week in the House of Commons" if the legislation to change abortion law in Northern Ireland was legislated.


Baroness O'Loan and Lord Eames called on Mrs May to withdraw the Northern Ireland Bill altogether, which includes abortion and same-sex marriage or add the amendment from Lord Hay of the DUP before it is considered by the Lords this week.


Baroness O'Loan in a note, which was handed out with the letter, urged people to sign it in their thousands before it was handed to Mrs May on Monday. "I know time is short but abortion will come here if we don't do what we can," the note read.


Anti-abortion campaigners target ... - telegraph.co.uk (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/14/anti-abortion-campaigners-target-catholic-services-petition/)

18 Jul 2019.

jagdmesser
Saturday, September 7th, 2019, 02:27 PM
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Thousands marched in silence.


Thousands of people have staged a demonstration at Stormont over the planned liberalisation of abortion laws in Northern Ireland. Protesters gathered at the front gates of the estate on Friday evening, before walking up Prince of Wales Avenue to Parliament Buildings, where they stood in silence.

DUP leader Arlene Foster and UUP leader Robin Swann were among those attending.

In July, MPs passed the Northern Ireland (Executive Formation) Act, which contained a provision placing a duty on the Government to regulate to provide for access to abortion. It comes into effect if the Stormont Executive is not restored by 21 October, with regulations required to be in place by the end of March 2020.

The NI Voiceless initiative was set up by citizens opposed to the move, and says the people of Northern Ireland were not consulted. It claims there is no support for the planned liberalisation of NI’s abortion laws.

Meanwhile on Saturday afternoon, a pro-choice rally and an anti-abortion rally are scheduled to take place in Belfast city centre.



Thousands marched in silence.U (https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2019-09-07/silent-anti-abortion-protest-takes-place-at-stormont/)TV (https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2019-09-07/silent-anti-abortion-protest-takes-place-at-stormont/) 07 Sept 2019.







"Meanwhile on Saturday afternoon, a pro-choice rally is scheduled to take place in Belfast city centre."

The Globalist elite call out the 'marxist' left and bring them up from Dublin for a pro-choice demo. Even in an insignificant little place of 1.7 million like Northern Ireland they're going to impose abortion. Poland is next.

jagdmesser
Monday, November 18th, 2019, 04:44 PM
Conservative clergy elected amid opposition to women bishops and same-sex marriage



LP Hartley wrote in his 1953 novel The Go-Between that “the past is a foreign country: they do things differently there”.



Increasingly Northern Ireland (https://www.irishtimes.com/news) is becoming a foreign "country" where the Republic is concerned and inevitably, being the North, this is driven by religion – Protestantism in particular, and of a more fundamentalist variety.



It also led the Presbyterian Church’s General Assembly (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_organisation=General+Assembly) in Belfast (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Belfast) last year to loosen ties with its mother church, the Church of Scotland (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Scotland), because of a perception that the latter had become too liberal on same-sex issues. It also decided then that same-sex Presbyterian couples could no longer be full members, nor could their children be baptised.



As with the Presbyterian church on this island, within the Church of Ireland (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_organisation=Church+of+Ireland) this spreading fundamentalism is leading to a hardening border between more liberal followers in the Republic and those increasingly more rigid in the North.



Contributing to this within the Church of Ireland has been growth in the North and along border areas over recent years of two fundamentalist movements, Gafcon (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_person=Gafcon) and New Wine (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_company=Wine) Ireland, with considerable overlap between the two.



Gafcon (the Global Anglican Future Conference) was set up in 2008 as a response to the election in the US Episcopal Church (Anglican) five years previously of the openly gay Gene Robinson (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_person=Gene+Robinson) as bishop of New Hampshire (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=New+Hampshire).



Gafcon is described on its website as “steadfastly orthodox” and “a Bible-based movement which submits to the authority of the scripture”.



Study of scripture

An interim report last June, from its task force on women bishops, advised: “It is our prime recommendation that the provinces of Gafcon should retain the historic practice of the consecration only of men as bishops until and unless a strong consensus to change emerges after prayer, consultation and continued study of scripture among the Gafcon fellowship.”




Church of Ireland clergy object to conservative bishop’s appointment (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/church-of-ireland-clergy-object-to-conservative-bishop-s-appointment-1.4085840)





Protestants in Ireland: a minority in search of an identity? (https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/protestants-in-ireland-a-minority-in-search-of-an-identity-1.3821835)





Protestants in the Republic: Inclusion and exclusion, resilience and pride (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/protestants-in-the-republic-inclusion-and-exclusion-resilience-and-pride-1.3821698)



Since 1990, women have been eligible for ordination as bishops, as well as priests, in the Church of Ireland. In 2013, Most Rev Patricia Storey (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_person=Patricia+Storey) was consecrated as the first female bishop in Ireland, in the diocese of Meath and Kildare (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Kildare).



Internationally, membership of Gafcon includes Anglican primates from some African countries as well as those bishops and clergy from Australia (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Australia), Canada (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Canada) and the US who boycotted the last gathering of the worldwide Anglican Communion at Lambeth in 2008. Gafcon Ireland was launched in Belfast in April of last year, where it was noted that “the Church of Ireland has followed many in the Anglican Communion into a confused collection of opposing ‘theological traditions’”.



Its website is critical of two Church of Ireland bishops who publicly supported the Yes campaign for same-sex marriage in 2015. In November of last year, it objected to Dr Amal Abdullah al-Qubaisi being allowed give an address in Waterford’s Church of Ireland Christ Church (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_organisation=Christ+Church) Cathedral.



Dr al-Qubaisi was then president of the Federal National Council (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_organisation=Federal+National+Counci l) of the United Arab Emirates (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=United+Arab+Emirates), and the first senior Arab Muslim politician to give an address from a Christian pulpit in Ireland.



Gafcon said that allowing her do so gave a “misleading impression that the Bible and the Koran are different books by the same author”. It also objected to “leaders of other faiths” being allowed speak in St Anne’s Church of Ireland Cathedral in Belfast.



Jerusalem (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Jerusalem) meeting

Gafcon’s Jerusalem meeting last year was attended by the recently retired Bishop of Down and Dromore (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Dromore) Harold Miller and the current Bishop of Elphin (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Elphin), Kilmore (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Kilmore) and Ardagh (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Ardagh) Ferran Glenfield. Bishop Miller’s recently elected successor, Archdeacon David McClay, is a member of Gafcon. He is also chair of the similarly minded New Wine Ireland, of which his wife Hilary is a director.



The Church of Ireland Bishop-elect of Derry and Raphoe (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Raphoe) Andrew Forster, who is to be installed next month, last week chaired a discussion involving Archdeacon McClay at an event co-hosted by New Wine Ireland at Willowfield Church in Belfast, at which the archdeacon is rector. Willowfield is described on its website as “a New Wine resource church”.



New Wine Ireland’s “network leaders” include Rev Isaac Hanna (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_person=Isaac+Hanna), rector of Drumcliffe, Lissadell and Munninane in Co Sligo and the Bishop Ferran Glenfield (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_person=Bishop+Ferran+Glenfield) of the diocese of Elphin, Kilmore and Ardagh. There have been sustained protests from members of Rev Hanna’s congregations in recent weeks since he removed from a church position a parishioner who married his same-sex partner a short time ago.



Another of New Wine Ireland’s network leaders is Rev Alison Calvin (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_person=Alison+Calvin), rector of Killeshandra (https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_location=Killeshandra), Killegar and Derrylane in Co Cavan. Speaking at the church’s 2017 general synod in Dublin, against a motion that the bishops consider preparing a public thanksgiving service for legally married same-sex couples, she explained how, at times “I feel I am being bullied. It’s not fair that my deeply held convictions are portrayed as those of a narrow-minded bigot.”

The motion was defeated.




North/South Church of Ireland divide deepens (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/north-south-church-of-ireland-divide-deepens-1.4085945)


18 XI 2019.





There is a strong 'liberal' bias in the way this article is written.

jagdmesser
Friday, April 10th, 2020, 03:41 PM
A DUP councillor has said that the current global pandemic has been caused by Northern Ireland legalising gay marriage and abortion.


Demorcatic Unionist Party (DUP) member John Carson, who is a councillor based in Ballymena, County Antrim, has previously voiced his anger at Northern Ireland having legalised equal marriage and abortion services, with his party campaigning against both.


On Tuesday evening, 31 March, he took to Facebook to say that that God has brought coronavirus to Earth in order to punish the people of Northern Ireland. He said: "With all the focus being on Coronavirus it has went [sic relatively unnoticed that from today abortion is available on demand up to 24 weeks. "I said when abortion was legalised that our nation would be judged by GOD because of its departure from his word and the legalisation of the murder of the unborn child as well as same sex marriage. "I was laughed at and mocked by some but as I said at the time they laughed at [Noah] until the rain started.


"You reap what you sow and out nation is now reaping the judgement of [God] because of an immoral and corrupt government. "It is time to repent and turn again to the [God] of our Fathers." On the day Mr Carson wrote the comment, Northern Ireland's new abortion laws had come into effect. These new laws included the legalisation of terminations in all circumstances during the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, however after that period and up to 24 weeks, terminations are allowed only in the event of there being a risk to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or girl, which is not abortion on demand as Mr Carson claimed.


Mr Carson was approached by Radio Ulster's Nolan Show, where he told the assistant editor that he stands by the post but will not appear on the show to have "Stephen Nolan or any other reporobate make a fool of me".



DUP councillor blames gay marriage and abortion for coronavirus: 'You reap what you sow' (https://www.irishpost.com/news/dup-councillor-blames-gay-marriage-abortion-coronavirus-reap-sow-182766)

10 IV 2020.




Contrary to the clear wish of the majority Gay marriage and Abortion are imposed on Northern Ireland by the UK government to placate the ‘Shinners’.


Absolutely nothing to fear from 'fundamental Christians', rather their strong moral values are to be much admired.

jagdmesser
Wednesday, June 3rd, 2020, 09:33 PM
THE NORTHERN Ireland Assembly has voted to reject new abortion laws which came into effect in March.



Changes in the law to allow the legalisation of abortion in Northern Ireland was passed by Westminster while the Northern Ireland Assembly was dissolved for over three years, and the termination of pregnancy has been legal in the six counties since 31 March.


The motion to reject the new laws, brought to the table by the Democratic Unionist Party, yesterday passed by 46 votes to 40.


A Sinn Féin amendment to the DUP's motion, which sought to restrict access to abortion only in the case of non-fatal foetal abnormalities such as Down's Syndrome, was rejected by the Assembly.


While the vote has no effect on the laws which have already been passed, the DUP say it will send a clear message to Westminster that the government in Stormont do not agree with the decriminalisation of abortion.



BBC News reports that the DUP intend to try and reverse Westminster's decision, with assembly member Paul Givan stating that the British Government had treated Northern Ireland "with contempt".


Sinn Féin MLA Emma Sheerin said the DUP "cannot be allowed to block access to modern, compassionate healthcare". “Our party position is one which calls for a compassionate and reasonable approach to healthcare, but not one that would see abortion treated as a mainstream, normal option,” she added.


Pro-choice advocates both north and south of the border have criticised the amendment put forward by Sinn Féin which would have restricted abortions in the case of non-fatal foetal impairments, and party leader Mary Lou McDonald appeared to address that with a short statement last night stating that "Sinn Féin wants those same rights secured for women in the South to be delivered in the North."


Other parties in the Assembly-- the SDLP, UUP and Alliance Party-- allowed members to vote on an individual basis and as a matter of conscious, with MLA's from those parties taking different stances. One SDLP member abstained from the vote.



Sinn Féin and some SDLP MLAs voted against a motion in Stormont that sought to stop a Westminster abortion law that allows for abortion up until birth for a child with a disability including cleft palate.



Irish Post:Northern Ireland Assembly votes to reject decriminalisation of abortion (https://www.irishpost.com/news/northern-ireland-assembly-votes-to-reject-decriminalisation-of-abortion-186109)

03 VI 2020.






Full credit to these DUP / Unionists, mostly ‘fundamental Christians’ who are even more Irish than those who oppose them.

Ravenrune
Thursday, June 4th, 2020, 01:18 AM
About time that Ireland was Ireland!

I suppose that brings forth all kinds of history and issues and violence but when it comes right down to it .............. should England control part of Ireland especially considering the pathetically biased propaganda BS that England has puked forth for over a century and a half and more about the Irish (complete with ape-iike propaganda BS drawings in the 1800's)!



Irish, Scottish, German independence from foreign (ie, English-US-Israel) control! I'm all for it! I'm part English, part Scottish and part Irish and part German (amongst other things like Mi'kmaq and I say the hell with the overbearing historical action of the powers-that-be {ie. the upper crust of Freemasons and other controlling a$$holes like Zionists) in England not only against Ireland and Scotland but their own people! And of course against the Germans against whom the full brunt of the biased and hateful actions has been enacted upon in WWII and to this day with media propagdana.

jagdmesser
Thursday, June 4th, 2020, 08:49 PM
About time that Ireland was Ireland!

Ravenrune.




Good post, most of which I agree with.







United Ireland: Yes or no? - DebateWise (https://debatewise.org/debates/346-united-ireland-yes-or-no/)

https://debatewise.org/debates/346-united-ireland-yes-or-no
21/11/2019 · 3/ Only a democratic vote in favour of a United Ireland can justify the move, and that seems a long way off (maybe 50 to 100 years and even then an ushering in period would be required). 4/ A referendum on the Good Friday Agreement was held in 1998 in north and south of Ireland. In NI a 81% turnout voted 71% in favour of the Agreement and 94% ...




Worth reading.





The gulf between Northern Ireland UK and Republic of Ireland EU, now a compliant satellite of Eu rope, culturally and otherwise has gotten bigger. It’s far more than the ‘gay marriage and abortion’ in the thread title. Being the ‘poster boy’ of Europe on so many issues, such as immigration, just doesn’t appeal too many here in Northern Ireland.


Irish unity only ever happened under British rule. EU rule, freedom and culture just is not sufficiently appealing to bring about Irish unity again.


You can’t force a majority into a political constraint they don’t want. Brexit is the grand example of this. Maybe this is the way it is to be: 2 Irelands, by choice.

jagdmesser
Tuesday, June 9th, 2020, 04:31 PM
129 abortions carried out in Northern Ireland in two ... (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/129-abortions-carried-out-in-ni-in-two-months-39252194.html)

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk › news › northern-ireland › 129-abortions... (https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/129-abortions-carried-out-in-ni-in-two-months-39252194.html)
More than 100 medical abortions have been carried out in Northern Ireland since new laws came into force earlier this year. A total of 129 terminations took place here between March 31 and May 22 ...

Captain Blackpill
Tuesday, June 9th, 2020, 05:28 PM
About time that Ireland was Ireland!

I suppose that brings forth all kinds of history and issues and violence but when it comes right down to it .............. should England control part of Ireland especially considering the pathetically biased propaganda BS that England has puked forth for over a century and a half and more about the Irish (complete with ape-iike propaganda BS drawings in the 1800's)!



Irish, Scottish, German independence from foreign (ie, English-US-Israel) control! I'm all for it! I'm part English, part Scottish and part Irish and part German (amongst other things like Mi'kmaq and I say the hell with the overbearing historical action of the powers-that-be {ie. the upper crust of Freemasons and other controlling a$$holes like Zionists) in England not only against Ireland and Scotland but their own people! And of course against the Germans against whom the full brunt of the biased and hateful actions has been enacted upon in WWII and to this day with media propagdana.

Okay but up until recently the strong majority of Northern Ireland was made up of Anglo-Scottish Protestants. These people aren’t Irish in the Gaelic sense. The Scottish settlers weren’t even Gaelic, coming from the Lowlands. It is true, that they are only there as a quasi-genocidal colonisation program launched under the Scottish Stuart kings in the 17th century, but the modern Anglo-Scottish inhabitants surely aren’t responsible for this.

jagdmesser
Sunday, July 26th, 2020, 12:40 PM
Barclays bank has reportedly informed a Christian charity in Northern Ireland that it will have its banking facilities revoked following an online pressure campaign mounted by LGBT activists, who claimed that the organisation engaged in so-called gay “conversion therapy”.


The Christian charity, Core Issues Trust (CIT), said that Barclays informed them that their bank account will be terminated by September. CIT claimed that the move came after pressure from an LGBT social media campaign that targetted the group for allegedly practising “conversion therapy”.


The charity also said that they were removed from Facebook, as well as from Paypal, who “terminated its CIT accounts without warning and with no explanation, restricting the ability of supporters to make donations”.


The CEO of CIT, Mike Davidson told (https://www.newsletter.co.uk/business/ni-based-anti-gender-confusion-charity-says-barclays-bank-axed-its-account-following-social-media-campaign-2923950) regional newspaper The Belfast News Letter: “If a social media mob can cause a bank to close the account of a Christian ministry, then there is nowhere for Biblically faithful Christian ministries to go. “The UK is now becoming an intensely intolerant country,” Davidson warned.



Andrea Williams, CEO of Christian Concern, said: “If it is Core Issues Trust first, it will be churches next… This refusing of services to a Christian ministry is demonization. The move to refuse banking services may have breached Section 28 of The Fair Employment and Treatment (Northern Ireland) Order 1998 (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/nisi/1998/3162/article/28/made), the newspaper claimed, which prohibits banks from discriminating in the services they provide.


In response, Barclays said: “We do not comment on individual cases. Our terms and conditions – like other banks – allow us to end a relationship with any customer, provided we give two months’ notice.”


Core Issues Trust said that the organisation’s purpose is to challenge “gender confusion; upholding science and conscience”. The group says that they attempt to help people who “wish to move away from… gender dysphoria” (gender dysphoria being an NHS-recognised condition where somebody feels discomfort because they believe they belong to a different gender – like a man who says he feels like a woman).” The Christian charity says that it engages in “one-to-one support for individuals voluntarily seeking to leave homosexual behaviours and feelings” which some characterise as a form of “conversion therapy”.


The CEO of the charity, Mike Davidson, rejected that terminology, telling (https://christianconcern.com/ccpressreleases/christian-ministry-loses-bank-account-after-harassment-campaign/) the lobby group Christian Concern: “This is a pejorative, imposed term, coined by an American gay activist, Dr Douglas Haldeman in 1991, that names some extremes such as electro-shock and aversion techniques only ever conducted by medics, long since abandoned from the 60s, or extreme behaviours already outlawed such as ‘corrective’ rape for which there are no prosecutions in the UK.” “Because the term speaks of talking therapies and counselling as “pseudo-science” in association with these extremes, to be heard defending talking therapy and counselling for unwanted same-sex attractions is then taken to be a defence of the indefensible ‘Conversion Therapy’ label. We reject this accusatory term,” Davidson added.



Organisations who offer therapy for people who wish to abandon sexual urges have become increasingly a target of activist groups. The pressure has resulted in Prime Minister Boris Johnson announcing that his Conservative government will be looking to ban conversion therapy. “On the gay conversion therapy thing, I think that’s absolutely abhorrent and has no place in a civilised society, and has no place in this country,” said (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53477323) the Prime Minister. “What we are going to do is a study right now on, you know, where is this actually happening, how prevalent is it, and we will then bring forward plans to ban it,” Johnson went on.


A leading Liberal Democrat leadership candidate and self-described (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50978997) pansexual, Layla Moran, said that Mr Johnson’s “conversion therapy” statements were welcome, but said that urgent government action to end this outdated and harmful practice for good.” Gendered Intelligence, a trans charity, criticised the Prime Minister for the use of the term “gay conversion therapy”, saying: “Whilst we hope the prime minister used ‘gay conversion therapy’ for brevity, we must ensure the ban on conversion therapy covers all LGBT people, including trans people.”



Anymore, freedom of speech, and faith, only matters if you belong to the leftists.


It won’t stop with “transgender” issues. For example I expect religious schools to be cut off from banking for refusing to hire teachers who live in any way at all antithetical to the schools religious doctrine.


Naturally, such practices will be limited to Christian schools. The Islamic indoctrination centres will be given a free pass, allowed to say and do whatever they please. Real hate is never punished - as evidenced by the BLM thugs and the free reign (of terror) they are afforded.


Conversion therapy? The GayKGB should be thankful someone cares enough to lift them out of their wretched lifestyle.


Islam and the LGBTQ+ groups share the most important trait and that is absolute hatred for Jesus Christ. Hatred for Jesus binds them together forever.


Christian Charity Loses Access to Banking After LGBT Activists Campaign (https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/07/25/christian-charity-banned-from-banking-after-pressure-campaign-by-lgbt-activists/)

26 VII 2020.




LGBT acceptance and laws have to be imposed from the top. The only need for them is for promotion of the LGBT agenda.