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Von Braun
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 11:12 AM
In my thread on the possibility of leaving Aryan Dawn, volksdeutsche claimed that I look like a certain Dinaric from Turkey. According to Hellstar, the Dinaric in me is from my mother's side. My mother is 100% of German descent. As far as I know, the Turks did not get very far into Austria, much less Germany.

Someone who Hellstar knows said that I am a "North Dinaric." I think that would preclude the possibility of looking like Dinarcis in the Balkans and/or Turkey.

Azdaja
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 12:16 PM
I'm fairly certain that Coons theory on pretty much all European dinarics is that they are descended from Copper Age travellers who originated in Asia Minor.
Gunther also believed their original homeland was in Asia Minor.
I'm not sure what other anthropologists have to say about it.

Von Braun
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 12:38 PM
So most whites came from the near east; the IE Nordics went north of the Black Sea into Europe and the Dinarics went south of the Black Sea into Europe? As for UPs and Mediterraneans, they came to Europe much earlier (pre-metal era)---probably from the same general area?

Azdaja
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 12:48 PM
From the very little I know about Coons theories, it goes like this:
1) UP types are indigenous to Europe.
2) Small mediterranean types began entered Europe during the Mesolithic, primarily from North Africa.
3) During the Neolithic:
a) A larger mediterranean type entered Greece via sea from the east. This type eventually made it's way to Britian and became the "Megalithic" (atlanto-mediterranean) type. Obviously some people disagree with this theory.
b) The Danubians enter the Balkans and push into central Europe from parts unknown.
c) The Battle-Axe or Corded people enter northeast Europe.
4) Dinarics from Asia Minor introduce the copper age to Europe.

Now gradually the Danubian and Corded types merge together and create the Hallstatt Nordic type.

Keep in mind I am very new at this, so don't take it as gospel until someone more knowledgable has looked it over.
Plus, this is just Coons theory. Others disagree.

Ross
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 04:02 PM
Relax, Von Braun, nobody wants you to leave neither AD nor the Movement... stay, if you want... but after out bros in the States will manage to secede and found the Nordish Union in one half of America, you'll be summarily sent to another, the Negro/Med half...

Von Braun
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 08:47 PM
Originally posted by Ross
Relax, Von Braun, nobody wants you to leave neither AD nor the Movement... stay, if you want... but after out bros in the States will manage to secede and found the Nordish Union in one half of America, you'll be summarily sent to another, the Negro/Med half...

Listen asshole, I will not, nor will other racialist North Atlantids, be thrown together with sub-saharrans or other primitives.

Allenson
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 09:06 PM
Hello Von Braun,

Here is what Coon had to say on the process of Dinaricization:

The Principle of Dinaricization

"From France to Macedonia, and from Istanbul to Samarkand, are found populations in which the majority of persons present a characteristic morphology of the head and face; with a brachycephalic skull, often flattish in the occipital region, the foramen magnum and auricular passages set disproportionately far to the rear, the forehead often sloping, the face frequently elongated, and the nose salient and frequently convex. People who possess these characteristics have been lumped together in one or more races; the Dinaric in Europe, the Armenoid in Asia, and the Noric to include the blond varieties. It is biologically unsound, however, to postulate any historic unity for individuals of these so-called races, since they are products not of an historical association but of a biological principle. That principle is as follows: A mixture of a Mediterranean stock with a 33 per cent, more or less, solution of Alpine may bring about a differential inheritance in the majority of the offspring; from the Alpine side is inherited brachycephaly, often greater than that of the Alpine ancestral factor; the dimensions of the pre-auricular part of the head are derived from the long-headed strain, hence the posterior position of the ear; the breadths of the median sagittal sector of the face are inherited from the narrower-faced ancestor, often in exaggerated degree, and this applies especially to the width of the upper segment of the nose and to the interorbital distance; meanwhile the face often becomes longer than in either parent stock, and the nose, in response to the shortening of the antero-posterior length of the entire head, becomes salient. This process occurs in varying degrees with individuals and with local racial entities of different origin. If the solution is saturated either with Alpines or with Mediterraneans, phenotypically pure members of whichever stock is predominant appear in considerable numbers. If the solution is correct, such apparently pure individuals still occur, but with relative infrequence. This principle, studied in this work in reference to whites, applies to hybrids of other races as well.

It may readily be seen that the Dinarics, Norics, and Armenoids have no ethnic or historic unity, but are for the most part parallel results of the same process repeated with similar materials in different places. They are related only insofar as the parent stocks are related. There is one important exception to this rule, however; during the Bronze Age Dinaricized Mediterraneans spread with the knowledge of metal from an eastern Mediterranean source to the western Mediterranean Countries, to central Europe, and to the British Isles. In this instance Dinarics of a Near Eastern variety did actually invade Europe, and their descendants may be distinguished today in countries like England where, owing to the absence of an Alpine substratum, the process of Dinaricization has not been locally at play."



So, you don't have to be a 'sand-nigger' to show a Dinaric tendency. It happens in different regions but appears to be a parallel process.

Hope this helps

Von Braun
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 09:10 PM
She may be partially Dinaric, and her ancestors may have travelled through present-day Turkey on their way to Europe, but she does not resemble modern Turks (unless these unmongrelized whites in Turkey that people talk about are still around).

Ross
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 09:43 PM
Originally posted by Von Braun
Listen asshole, I will not, nor will other racialist North Atlantids, be thrown together with sub-saharrans or other primitives.

"North-Atlantid" = Mediterranian living in the North... no less swarthy that a Med living in the South...

Ross
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by Ross
"North-Atlantid" = Mediterranian living in the North... no less swarthy that a Med living in the South...

But don't make a mistake, you're not IT, whether NA or Med... you're a Dinaric... with insignificant Nordic and Hither Asiatic strains...

cosmocreator
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by Ross
"North-Atlantid" = Mediterranian living in the North... no less swarthy that a Med living in the South...


I don't know about that. Are you just yanking on his chain?

NA have dark hair but their skin and eye color is light probably from mixture with UP. Thus I think North Atlantid, Paleo-Atlantid is Med/UP mixture.

Ross
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by ns1488ca
I don't know about that. Are you just yanking on his chain?

NA have dark hair but their skin and eye color is light probably from mixture with UP. Thus I think North Atlantid, Paleo-Atlantid is Med/UP mixture.

Those with light eyes/skin can be half UP/Nordic... but more or less fair NA is bad definition... others are of regular dark look, predominatly Med... and regarding increased stature and head, it can be explained via hybridization, nothing new here

Von Braun
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Ross
But don't make a mistake, you're not IT, whether NA or Med... you're a Dinaric... with insignificant Nordic and Hither Asiatic strains...

I am not asiatic like you Ross.

Ross
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 11:32 PM
Originally posted by Von Braun
I am not asiatic like you Ross.

Sure, as nobody can be more swarthy...

Von Braun
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by Ross
Sure, as nobody can be more swarthy...

I am not swarthy you retard. NP88 can vouch for that. We have met in person. In a PM, Hellstar said that every stain that he saw in me is Aryan. That settles it. If you have a problem with that, take it up with those two. Oh wait, they seem to already think you're an idiot.

Ross
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by Von Braun
I am not swarthy you retard. NP88 can vouch for that. We have met in person. In a PM, Hellstar said that every stain that he saw in me is Aryan. That settles it. If you have a problem with that, take it up with those two. Oh wait, they seem to already think you're an idiot.

Hellstar, do you hear me?

Okey, only you and me, and our deadly .44s... Ready?.. Fire!

GreenHeart
Tuesday, February 11th, 2003, 04:58 AM
Don't be ashamed of being part Dinaric, (see pictures (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1974)) they are a beautiful sub-race. But anyway your mother doesn't look wholly dinaric she looks dinaric/noric.

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Tuesday, February 11th, 2003, 06:09 AM
Originally posted by NordicPower88
Don't be ashamed of being part Dinaric, (see pictures (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1974)) they are a beautiful sub-race.

I agree.....especially the men haha..The first dinaric man you posted is gorgeous!! :) I seem to be attracted to men that are dinaric/have some dinaric in them. I guess that explains why I've always found Serbian men so attractive ;)

Von Braun
Tuesday, February 11th, 2003, 06:17 AM
Originally posted by Vanessa
I agree.....especially the men haha..The first dinaric man you posted is gorgeous!! :) I seem to be attracted to men that are dinaric/have some dinaric in them. I guess that explains why I've always found Serbian men so attractive ;)

Ladygoeth said I am a "brunet noric" (Dinaric/Nordic mix) and that they are handsome, NP88 saikd Dinarics are handsome, and you, Vanessa agree. Do you think I am handsome, and if so, is it possible that that is why some of the men here have attacked me (aside from my alleged provocatory attitude)?

StrÝbog
Tuesday, February 11th, 2003, 06:27 AM
Do you think I am handsome, and if so, is it possible that that is why some of the men here have attacked me

LMAO x_rofl

Yes, we are all such jealous guys who start catfights because you are just SOOOO hot!!!

Tune in to the fact that it is your obsessive and paranoid attitude, and not your handsomeness x_p

Azdaja
Tuesday, February 11th, 2003, 06:54 AM
Paranoid Ideation, thy name is Braun.

Liz
Tuesday, February 11th, 2003, 07:15 AM
Originally posted by Von Braun
Do you think I am handsome, and if so, is it possible that that is why some of the men here have attacked me (aside from my alleged provocatory attitude)?

Just when you thought this thread couldn't get anymore bizarre.... x_hehe x_hehe x_hehe :really?

x_p

cosmocreator
Tuesday, February 11th, 2003, 07:44 PM
Originally posted by Vanessa
I agree.....especially the men haha..The first dinaric man you posted is gorgeous!! :) I seem to be attracted to men that are dinaric/have some dinaric in them. I guess that explains why I've always found Serbian men so attractive ;)


I haven't seen your picture but I have a suspicion that you may be wholely or partly Dinaric. But then again, I could be wrong.

Ross
Tuesday, February 11th, 2003, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Von Braun
Do you think I am handsome, and if so, is it possible that that is why some of the men here have attacked me (aside from my alleged provocatory attitude)?

He's the absolute winner...:cool :)

Glenlivet
Wednesday, February 12th, 2003, 12:22 PM
Don't misqoute me. Who said the Dinarics in Germany are from Turks? Here comes the link to the Turkish musician that you look similar to: http://www.magusa.org/festival/imgfest2001/teoman.jpg

I just said Turkey have Dinarics, as it's a Taurid (Dinaric and Armenoid racial region, those dominate there) country. Are you are racialist? Or are you ethnocentric? This is a question you should ask yourself. I recently noticed you have said some bad things about our Slavic brothers, and perhaps I have been too nice to you. Ross can be a bit hard at times, but don't try cheap tricks about semi-Mongoloid and such. Ross talk about ethnic Russians!

It's a huge land and there are many minorities, and the Kumid region is actually in Central Asia, among those Bashkirians and such that mixed with the Pontic and some Nordics and became more or less Europoid, but they still have wide apart eyes, jutting cheekbones. very straight and lank hair and sometimes a hint of epicanthus. Ladygoeth is better than me when it comes to find pictures of those types.

From where in Germany, does it go back to NW Germany like mine?! I doubt that, it's probably from the southeast Germany or a surrounding region, please tell me. You can send pictures of ancestors to my e-mail, volksdeutsche@hotmail.com
Look at the text I wrote about the racial stocks of Germany. Two persons may be of the same ethnicities or ethnicity but not of the same sub-race, why is that so difficult to understand?

The Dinaric is in some ways similar to the Nordic, tall and slender with long legs, and much more so than the Mediterranean if you ask me. A forehead that is slightly turned backwards. The chin is high like the Nordic. The forehead is probably higher than the Nordic, but also broader. It also got mounds (from the browridges) over the eyes, and therefore deep-set eyes, so that is also similar to the Nordic. The lips are fuller. The Dinaric is almost never as dark as the Mediterranean, and it can also be blondish (you should see more Serbs and Croats, the Bosnians are blonder and have East-Baltics). The long and thin nose, which is fleshy at the tip and the high chin give a long impression of the face, although it's a brachycephalic, yet narrow-faced.




Originally posted by Von Braun
In my thread on the possibility of leaving Aryan Dawn, volksdeutsche claimed that I look like a certain Dinaric from Turkey. According to Hellstar, the Dinaric in me is from my mother's side. My mother is 100% of German descent. As far as I know, the Turks did not get very far into Austria, much less Germany.

Someone who Hellstar knows said that I am a "North Dinaric." I think that would preclude the possibility of looking like Dinarcis in the Balkans and/or Turkey.

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Wednesday, February 12th, 2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by ns1488ca
I haven't seen your picture but I have a suspicion that you may be wholely or partly Dinaric. But then again, I could be wrong.

I am a little bit dinaric...my grandfather on my dad's side was quite dinaric...he had the nose completely.

Von Braun
Wednesday, February 12th, 2003, 09:18 PM
Morphologically, I may have some resemblance to that guy. He looks like he has darker skin. Maybe it is the lighting combined with a tan. He probably is part Dinaric like you claim. However, being from Turkey, is he a pure Europid (white) like I am?

My mother's maiden name goes back to Pommerania. She is not tall (5' 3'') but she is a woman. According to Hellstar she looks Dinaric.

I will send the pictures today.

Glenlivet
Thursday, February 13th, 2003, 03:42 PM
Of course he is fully Europid by his phenotype (we cannot know the full ancestry of anyone), what are you talking about?
I don't care if you want to be compared with someone else because of some superior-inferior ideas you might have.
I say what I see, nothing more or less. Then all non-Europid immigrants would be Europid if we go by your geographical approach. European is a geograpical (it's a diverse region, with many languages, cultures and ethnicities forming rather new artificial nationalstates!) concept, and there are Europid types outside of it, as in Caucasus and most of western Asia. Ethnology without physical anthropology doesn't interest me.

He is similar to you. Another link:
http://www.nr1music.com/teoman/kapak1.jpg

I don't go and look for a French and German Dinaric because of someone's ancestry so to show what I mean.

Mecklenburg and Pommerania is a very racially Nordic region. I will check the pictures you sent. It's near the Baltic Sea.
Vorpommern was west of the Oder River, and Hinterpommern was east of the Oder River, do you know which one?

The Goth's, a Germanic tribe, were living in what was to be Pomerania during the time of Christ. Other Teutonic tribes also lived in the area. During the 5th and 6th centuries, the Slavic tribes of Pomerani and Kasubi moved westward into this sparsely populated area on the shores of the Baltic Sea. The name of this area became known as Pomerania from the Pomerani word "Ponorze" - land by the sea.






Originally posted by Von Braun
Morphologically, I may have some resemblance to that guy. He looks like he has darker skin. Maybe it is the lighting combined with a tan. He probably is part Dinaric like you claim. However, being from Turkey, is he a pure Europid (white) like I am?

My mother's maiden name goes back to Pommerania. She is not tall (5' 3'') but she is a woman. According to Hellstar she looks Dinaric.

I will send the pictures today.

Hellstar
Thursday, February 13th, 2003, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Von Braun


My mother's maiden name goes back to Pommerania. She is not tall (5' 3'') but she is a woman. According to Hellstar she looks Dinaric.

I will send the pictures today. Yes dont just sent that youth picture, sent the one where you sit on her shoulders. the Dinaric is more obvious then.