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thenewbigthing
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 02:20 AM
Both are tall,hairy,and both can be blond!

GreenHeart
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 02:42 AM
Yeah but one is practically a vegetable and the other created Stonehenge, mathematics, steel, running water, philosophy and electricity!.....

Conquistador
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by NordicPower88
Yeah but one is practically a vegetable and the other created Stonehenge, mathematics, steel, running water, philosophy and electricity!.....

You forgot, the wheel, space shuttle, rocket science, physics, literature, an actual writing system, buildings, nuclear energy, agriculture, cars, trains, processing food techniques, submarines, computers, the television, the telephone, and the rest of the inventions of the Ancient and Modern Age.

Azdaja
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 03:28 AM
I've often thought that those aborigines are either neanderthals, or some kind of "missing link" between man and monkey.
Granted I don't know much of anything about the evolution of man, and my thoughts are only based on what the aborigines look like.

GreenHeart
Monday, February 10th, 2003, 05:02 AM
Originally posted by Yggdrasil
And no we did not evolve from australian aboroginals.

Lol, Abos de-evolved from NEGROES! Perhaps a few whites also mixed with them some time in pre-history. Apparantly they found a few skulls of White people there that date back quite far.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Thursday, February 12th, 2004, 06:23 AM
No, no. Blondism results from some sort of vitamin or mineral deficiency which prompts depigmentation of the hair in an attempt to gain this vitamin from sunlight---or something like this. Blondism occurs in continental areas, not near the coast in Australia. Some say blondism originated inland in Euope as well. This all points to a vitamin source in my mind. Europeans and Australians are in no way related.

Dr. Alexander Hamilton
Sunday, March 14th, 2004, 04:53 AM
Indeed, though abo's created a throwing stick that occasionally came back to them and hit them in the head.

Now there's a racial achievement to be proud of.

cosmocreator
Sunday, March 14th, 2004, 06:51 AM
How far we have come since the days of Aryan Dawn.

Abby Normal
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 06:34 AM
Here's some proof: American Idol host Ryan Seacrest :D

(Now, I can't find a side picture, but this guy's heavily sloping forehead and large brow ridges, he truly resembles Australoids (or Neanderthals; take your pick!) :rotfl :rotfl :rotfl )

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/2002/SHOWBIZ/TV/09/03/idol.seacrest.cnna/story.seacrest.jpg

cosmocreator
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 06:37 AM
Australoids and Caucasoids are NOT closely related. Australoids are decended from different Homo erectus than Caucasoids are. See my thread here:

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=3946

Abby Normal
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 07:00 AM
Australoids and Caucasoids are NOT closely related. Australoids are decended from different Homo erectus than Caucasoids are. See my thread here:

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=3946
Okay, well, how do you explain Ryan Seacrest, then? ;) ANSWER! :P

cosmocreator
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 07:02 AM
Okay, well, how do you explain Ryan Seacrest, then? ;) ANSWER! :P


What's Ryan Seacrest?

Abby Normal
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 07:09 AM
What's Ryan Seacrest?
The host of American Idol! Read what I said earlier about his forehead! :P

cosmocreator
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 07:17 AM
The host of American Idol! Read what I said earlier about his forehead! :P


Having a sloping forehead does not mean your Australoid. Here is what Australoids look like:

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=51006&postcount=10

Abby Normal
Monday, March 15th, 2004, 07:49 AM
Having a sloping forehead does not mean your Australoid. Here is what Australoids look like:

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=51006&postcount=10
Obviously you haven't seen this guy! Either he's derived from Aboriginies, or he is a re-emergence of the Neanderthal Man. Take your pick (but be sure to watch American Idol and see him for yourself!) ;)

Also, Ryan Seacrest's nose reminds me of the Aboriginie in the right picture. ;)

stroker
Wednesday, March 31st, 2004, 07:31 AM
No, no. Blondism results from some sort of vitamin or mineral deficiency which prompts depigmentation of the hair in an attempt to gain this vitamin from sunlight---or something like this. Blondism occurs in continental areas, not near the coast in Australia. Some say blondism originated inland in Euope as well. This all points to a vitamin source in my mind. Europeans and Australians are in no way related.

Adelaide, I fear Ryan Seacrest is in need of our pity as this is no doubt a birth defect of some sort.

Hey Dr Wolff...........the temperature here in Australia is regularly over 100F so some blonding is due to bleaching......you may be correct about the lack of vitamins as well (in conjunction with bleaching) given that Abbo's were still eating grubs and worms when Europeans arrived.
You say Europeans and Australians are in no way related I know you mean to say Europeans and Aboriginals are in no way related. But please refrain from using the word Australian when refering to Aboriginals (Abbo's).
Australians of European ancestry such as myself would not like to confused with nor lumped in with Abbo's. Many Thanks.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, April 25th, 2004, 07:43 AM
Adelaide, I fear Ryan Seacrest is in need of our pity as this is no doubt a birth defect of some sort.

Hey Dr Wolff...........the temperature here in Australia is regularly over 100F so some blonding is due to bleaching......you may be correct about the lack of vitamins as well (in conjunction with bleaching) given that Abbo's were still eating grubs and worms when Europeans arrived.
You say Europeans and Australians are in no way related I know you mean to say Europeans and Aboriginals are in no way related. But please refrain from using the word Australian when refering to Aboriginals (Abbo's).
Australians of European ancestry such as myself would not like to confused with nor lumped in with Abbo's. Many Thanks.

Sorry about that Stroker.

Greek depictions of Sythicans, see Coon's Races of Europe, page 198, show a sloping forehead profile and a rather sturdy build for alleged Nordic people. The forehead is more sloping than and UP skull except Predmost. Gerontomorophism in the skull with a reduction of body size? How does this happen? Perhaps someone can explain this. Again, who is Ryan Seacrest?

Sword Brethren
Sunday, April 25th, 2004, 07:58 AM
This is like asking if the student who got an A, cheated off the student who got an F.... A ridiculous question that would be funny if it wasn't debated to the level it is... Such politically correct left-wing garbage is ruining the world.

BishoujoHunter
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 02:35 AM
The fact is all humans are related

cosmocreator
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 07:35 AM
The fact is all humans are related


All living things are related. What's your point?

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 07:38 AM
Both are tall,hairy,and both can be blond!


Short answer, NO, not even close.

BishoujoHunter
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 01:10 PM
actually Australia was multiracial even before the whites arrived here are the races of australian aborigines when whites arrived

-Barrineans/Negritos
-Murrayians
-Carpentarians
http://andaman.org/book/chapter51/text51.htm

http://andaman.org/book/chapter51/51-birdsell.jpg

Pluspol
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 02:22 PM
Obviously you haven't seen this guy! Either he's derived from Aboriginies, or he is a re-emergence of the Neanderthal Man. Take your pick (but be sure to watch American Idol and see him for yourself!) ;)

Also, Ryan Seacrest's nose reminds me of the Aboriginie in the right picture. ;)
Side pic:

http://www.musicislifeonline.com/images/AID1-36-small.jpg


I live in Australia and see quite a few Aborigines, full blooded or half-caste. This guy doesn't look like an Aborigine at all.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Tuesday, May 25th, 2004, 06:59 AM
I think this thread should be put to bed and an inquiry started as to who and what Ryan Seacreast actually is.

BishoujoHunter
Monday, July 4th, 2005, 12:36 PM
whites are heterogeneous from the start since most of the "seven daughters" of eve are found to be closely related to the austrics like mon-khmer,"Austro-Tai" and the blonde people were from a different line.

Glenlivet
Monday, July 4th, 2005, 01:37 PM
Geneticist Spencer Wells related them to San Bushmen. We are talking about an ancient link. His theory is that the Africans migrated from the Middle East to southern Asia and from there to Australia. They took a route along the coast. He went to southern India and found a man with this specific marker. I think that he looked Veddoid.

He saw the connection San Bushmen of the Kalahari-some southern Indians (Veddoids?)-Australoids. Wells claim that the San Bushmen of the Kalahari have some of the oldest genetic markers in the world. He also mentioned their cheekbones and eyes that are more like East Asians. They might show traits that had not yet specialised into the major geographical races.
(source: The Genographic Project bonus cd)

Welund
Sunday, August 7th, 2005, 09:14 PM
Well, it is true that proto-Caucasodis would have been somewhat similar in appearance to aborigines, of course this thread is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, though, right?

Marcus
Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 10:26 AM
Both are tall,hairy,and both can be blond!

Whites and Australids have several features incommon. Beside those that you mentioned whites and Australids have both prominant brows, deep-set-in eyes (l would be a good example of that), big convex noses (broad thoght, but prominant), big ears, Streight, Wavy and Curly hair. Other similarities lies in the bones (at least thats what I have heard), legs (Australids seldom get fat in the legs, like typical whites), the average skull of both groups is also quite similar (more so then with other races) and sometimes is Orthognathism seen among them.
Also they very often look like Ultra- tanned Ainus (who were considered Cauccasian by many authors)
http://www.sakhalin.ru/Engl/Region/images/ainu.gif
http://libweb.uoregon.edu/pix/speccoll/photo/warner/assets/PH014_40-03.jpg

Some authors (like R. Ruggles Gates)considered them (Australids) as archaic whites and placed them togheter with the whites

In the mid-twentieth century an argument emerged that Australoids were linked to proto-Caucasoids. R. Ruggles Gates argued in 1960 that they are "best classified as archaic Caucasians".[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australoid

So in conclusion, yes they are quite so similar. The execptions is that the Australids are not as gracilized as whites.

Archeopteryx
Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 11:14 AM
I live in Australia and have seen Abos in the outback and some do have blonde hair!! I don't know why but i was shocked to see it. Made my feel as if they had some Nordic blood in them. But I did not see any with blue eyes.

http://www.desertimages.com.au/alastair/images/about_babyroo.jpg

http://thestudyofracialism.org/forum/store/aussie-kids1.jpg


http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/SolomonIslands/TheSolomonIslandsAndItsPeople/FairHairedMalaitanKidWithTattoo.jpg

Janus
Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 04:52 PM
Blondism is occassionally found everywhere and in central-western outback, it's relatively common. Caucasians do not descend from them but we all descend from the common ancestor. It's likely that mankind was already quite diverse before leaving Africa so that our common ancestor does not look like any modern race.

Agrippa
Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 09:43 PM
No single trait can and should be overestimated, neither blondism nor anything else. Relationships and status can never be estimated by one trait alone, as a black, frizzy haired Aethiopid is more Europid than a blond Australid.

The thread is old, but to make things simple, the question is wrong. Its like asking whether humans evolved from chimpanzees, what they didnt. Humans and chimps had just a common ancestor quite some time ago and evolved independently on since then. Its just that the chimps, even though they made their own evolution and change since then, are still closer to ancestral form than the humans are.

With Europid and Australid is basically the same. We descent from Australiform archaic humans most likely, but since then, Europids and other races evolved on, faster and further away, from that ancestral status, than Australids did - which again made their own regional evolution, far away from the biodynamic centres of progressive development in Eurasia and East Africa, but are still much more archaic than most other races - with most similarly archaic racial types living in their area, like the Palaemelanesids or the now practically extinct Tasmanids.

The Australid type derived mostly from archaic Homo sapiens strata, though the variation inside of the Australid race might imply to me at least, and some authors, that there was a more progressive wave which came, already long time ago, later on the continent. Still even this later and more progressive wave is much more primitive than what we see in modern Eurasians usually, not talking about the average Australid of today.

Actually, the Australid race just repeated what we can observe in the animal kingdom of the Southern continent, the effect of isolation in the periphery, isolated from the competition, the dynamic, the migrations and trends which happend on the bigger continent and in the biodynamic centres. Marsupials survived there, as did a more archaic human race with its more archaic culture. Even the bow didnt made it to Australia, they kept their Atlatl...

Even though the Europids lost their primitive status long time ago, since even 30.000 years ago the Homo sapiens variants in Europe were mostly more progressive than modern Australids, they also show similarities mainly because the other big modern races (Mongolid and Negrid) made a more drastic climatic adaptation in meantime, which altered their appearance in a certain way. So the relief-rich face of the progressive Europid, with the absense of real primitive traits, is still somewhat closer to the Australid in certain regards, especially relief and hairiness etc., than the Mongoloid f.e., which in turn has other "more Australid like traits", especially in those groups which are not fully Neo-Mongolid and progressive.

Fable
Sunday, April 18th, 2010, 04:02 PM
The Australoids were the first people to migrate outside Africa, and then populate Arabia and India, as they migrated, they split into proto-Mongoloids and proto-Caucasians. You may still see proto Mongolid like features in the Ainu and the OstWeddids of Eastern India.
There was a split between Eurasians and Proto-Australoids, before the differentiation of Mongoloid and Caucasoid. Because of that, you can't really link Australoids to any Eurasian group, unless you were to say that specific group wasn't Eurasian, but Proto-Australoid in nature. The reason why Ainu have "Australoid-like" traits is because their traits are somewhat archaic, and any non-Negrid archaic traits are usually perceived as Australoid like.

Agrippa
Sunday, April 18th, 2010, 05:48 PM
and any non-Negrid archaic traits are usually perceived as Australoid like.

Because Australoids have most archaic/archemorphic/primitive traits. Ainuids vary between Australiform, Europiform and Proto-Mongoloid, probably also due to admixture.

Rassenhygieniker
Monday, April 19th, 2010, 03:16 AM
Did Europoids Evolve From Australoids?

...um no, Australids are a race of their own, basically Proto-Negroids.

Here is how it is:


Caucasoid

Proto-Caucasoid


Mongoloid

Proto-Mongoloid
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/337/r01r01.gifhttp://img64.imageshack.us/img64/1260/r02r02.gif

Negroid

-Proto-Negroid
--Australid
--Negritid
--Veddid
et alii

If anything Europoids evolved from Proto-Caucasoids, not Proto-Negroids.



Ainuids vary between Australiform, Europiform and Proto-Mongoloid, probably also due to admixture.

Ainuids are just basically mongolised Proto-Caucasoids.

Fable
Monday, April 19th, 2010, 04:31 AM
...um no, Australids are a race of their own, basically Proto-Negroids.

Australoids are a race of their own genetically and physically. They are not proto-Negrid. Infact, they are said to have the largest genetic distance from Negroids.

Genetically they are seperate, and are ancestral to proto-Asian and East Asians.

So basically, Oceanians are their own type, with the Weddids of India in between (proto-Asian in nature) and finally East Asians.

Proto Caucasoids had Australiform, and probably resembled the Veddids of India, who are proto-Europimorphic.


Ainuids are just basically mongolised Proto-Caucasoids.

As far as I'm concerned, Ainuids are morphologically in between Caucasoids, Mongoloids and Australoids. I think it is best to classify them as an ancestral people, and not necessarily under any of the macro races. If at all, they should be considered Old Europids, as Eickstetd himself stated.

Agrippa
Monday, April 19th, 2010, 01:28 PM
Here my idea of an evolutionary tree for modern races:
http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=104749&stc=1&d=1271679609

Mongoloids became what they were step by step, simple put, my impression is that Ainuids branched off from a basic Eurasian variation before the Mongolid evolution fully started.

Simple as that.

There are just three modern races which were really successful if its about their current distribution and further differentiation, those are Europid, Mongoloid and Negroid.

If we look at other modern branches of mankind, they were just less successful, thats it, they are not necessarily less on their own than those major races.

All the old racial forms like Ainuid, Weddoid, Melanesid, Australoid, Khoisanid, Bambutid, Negritid etc. were largely pushed away by the more progressive and successful major races which controlled the biodynamic centres.

Ainuids, Weddoids and Neomelanesids in particular show relations to various other racial forms and are, in comparison to other "old races" somewhat more progressive. Yet still I wouldnt put them into one of the big categories just for the sake of putting anything in the 3-race scheme.

If we know more about the genetic relationships of Ainuids, we might re-consider various theories. F.e. if they are significantly closer to Westeurasians, than they can be considered Palae-Europid, otherwise not.


Full-blooded Ainu are lighter skinned than their Japanese neighbors and have more body hair.[20] Many early investigators proposed a Caucasian ancestry,[21] although recent DNA tests have not shown any major genetic similarity with modern caucasian Europeans. It has been scientifically suggested that the Ainu may be either distantly related to some form of Eastern European subpopulation that subsequently evolved genetic changes, or alternatively, that their caucasian-like phenotypic morphology came about as a result of convergent evolution in response to some form of natural selective pressure which was also existent in a similar presentation in Europe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ainu_people

I'd assume the second option, convergent evolution from an Proto-Mongoloid/old Eurasian spectrum which had stronger primitive-Australiform traits, of which some survived to this day, others were bred away.

They are just closer to Europids than Mongolids are, but no proper Europid nor Mongolid type.

Fable
Tuesday, April 20th, 2010, 09:56 AM
All the old racial forms like Ainuid, Weddoid, Melanesid, Australoid, Khoisanid, Bambutid, Negritid etc. were largely pushed away by the more progressive and successful major races which controlled the biodynamic centres.


Absolutely. Especially so in the case of the Veddids in India.
The whole evolution of India seems to be a tale about more 'progressive' races replacing or subjugating more 'primitive' ones. Austric speaking Veddid people forced Andamanese speaking Negritoes to retreat and largely replaced them.

Consequently the Aurigancid people drove away Austric people in peninsular India followed by Mongoloids in the North East who did the same. While the Auricagnids/Gracile Indids remained pure in the North-West, extensive mixing took place in the South East. The same can be said for the PaleoMongoloids of the North-East, where a hybridisation between Weddoids and Mongoloids took place to give the OstWeddid type.

It's fun to observe Indian phenotypes really, especially when you live here. You have what people may think as European mixed in the North West, 'Chinks' in the North-East and quasi-Australian aboriginal looking in South East, fully Australoid tribals, black skinned Europid looking people in the rest of the South a.k.a IndoMelanid, and the more Negrid looking than Somalid people in the Andaman-Nicobar islands.

Crazy place indeed :D