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Dr. Solar Wolff
Wednesday, September 29th, 2004, 06:21 AM
This is from a link found at Cryptozoology.com

http:www.friendsofbigfoot.org/articles/yeti.shtml

This is how I imagined a Neanderthal would look in the flesh.

Expert analysis, classification, typing, PLEASE

The Blond Beast
Wednesday, September 29th, 2004, 06:45 AM
This is from a link found at Cryptozoology.com

http:www.friendsofbigfoot.org/articles/yeti.shtml

This is how I imagined a Neanderthal would look in the flesh.

Expert analysis, classification, typing, PLEASE

What is your opinion on the Sasquatch/Bigfoot? I find it awefully difficult to dismiss considering that the mythologies of North America's First Nations have incorporated this recluse for many hundreds of years before the arrival of Europeans.

StrÝbog
Wednesday, September 29th, 2004, 02:56 PM
I've always believed in the Bigfoot and Yeti. It's not even an issue of the paranormal or supernatural - large, reclusive indigenous primates would be completely explicable by known science.

The Blond Beast
Wednesday, September 29th, 2004, 05:03 PM
I've always believed in the Bigfoot and Yeti. It's not even an issue of the paranormal or supernatural - large, reclusive indigenous primates would be completely explicable by known science.

One can just imagine that as a zenith species (much like the wolf) this primate populaton would be really small. Couple this with a large reproductive age and low fecundity and one shouldn't exactly expect to see them frequently, let alone be tripping over their carcasses every time one enters the bush.

She-Wolf
Thursday, September 30th, 2004, 07:56 PM
Is it possible no one sees them because they live underground?

The Blond Beast
Thursday, September 30th, 2004, 11:30 PM
Is it possible no one sees them because they live underground?

They have been described as eight to ten feet in height, so I doubt that they would be able to subsist below ground. They're not seen simply because they inhabit large, rugged, isolated areas; exist (more than likely) as a small population; and seem to be reclusive.

Read the story of Albert Ostman, who claimed in 1924 to have been abducted by a Sasquatch while prospecting in a remote region of British Columbia:

http://www.n2.net/prey/bigfoot/classics/ostman.htm

What's interesting about Ostman's account is that it describes the Bigfoot exemplar over 40 years before the famed Bluff Creek footage brought the issue to the public's attention (though some think this was a hoax):

http://www.forteantimes.com/gallery/images/sasquatch.jpg

Casts have even been made of prints that apparently show dermal ridges and such.

Recorded "Bigfoot" vocalizations:

http://www.angelfire.com/wa/sasquatchsearch/page7.html

:shrug

Frans_Jozef
Saturday, October 2nd, 2004, 01:36 PM
This is from a link found at Cryptozoology.com

http:www.friendsofbigfoot.org/articles/yeti.shtml

This is how I imagined a Neanderthal would look in the flesh.

Expert analysis, classification, typing, PLEASE

Has there been any evidence of anomalous lithic material, weapons, tools, commodities or even the silliest gewgaws that hints on some primitive intelligence and motoric skills to produce means to subside and take control of their environment by extension of their physical prowness in the places where they alledgedly roam?
If not, they would culturally/mentally and in spite of their human appearance be in an evolutionary stage well before the dawn of the human mind, grotesquely more backward than Homo habilis.

This creature is bit in odd with what I know about Neanderthalers. In fact, its squarish face and the vertical reduction of his face is more reminiscent of Homo erectus, including his nose which is small and barely externally protruding.
I am not sure about the zygomas; they do seem to jut out laterally.
The browridges aren't enormous, either, so it might be a hybrid form expressing Neanderthal and Erectine features, the former nudge the facial characters more into a modern direction.

Homo erectus reconstruction:

http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/homo_erectus_reconstruction/

Evolved
Sunday, October 3rd, 2004, 04:35 PM
It looks like they glued a bunch of dog hair to a dead negro. :D

Tribunale Dei Minore
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 01:14 AM
It looks like they glued a bunch of dog hair to a dead negro. :D
It contradicts the common biological logic that an inhabitant of cold, icy
environment would be so black. It is obviously a hoax. Btw heard that Elvis was
an extraterrestrial?

StrÝbog
Sunday, October 10th, 2004, 03:41 PM
It contradicts the common biological logic that an inhabitant of cold, icy
environment would be so black. It is obviously a hoax. Btw heard that Elvis was
an extraterrestrial?

The Pacific Northwest is not icy, it is one of the most moderate climates in the world and heavily forested. Therefore an inhabitant would do well by being dark-colored.

In Tibet, on the other hand, the Yeti is rumored to be white or cream-colored, to blend in with the snow.

ogenoct
Tuesday, October 12th, 2004, 02:29 PM
http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bz050/messner.html

YETI I'VE CLIMBED THE HIMALAYAS AND MET IT FOUR.
By JULIAN CHAMPKIN, DAILY MAIL.


THE yeti was asleep. Silently, the climbers drew near. They crept to within 20 metres of the creature so they could film and photograph it.

For three long minutes they stood gazing at it. "Then, he woke and saw us. He looked at us like a small child who has just met someone for the first time. We stood eye to eye; I could have touched him. Then, he stood up and slowly walked away."

Imagine the first certain recorded meeting between man and a new species, the yeti, the so-called Abominable Snowman. Would it have been like that? A gentle, shy peaceable meeting of mutual incomprehension? Italian climber Reinhold Messner claims it was exactly like that. He says he has encountered the yeti; and not once, but four times, once close enough to touch it. More importantly, he claims to have photographs of the creature, including a mother yeti tending her child and a yeti skeleton.

It is shy, says Messner, it is almost 200cm tall, it comes out at night to feed on yaks and sheep and it communicates with its fellow creatures by whistling. The yeti, the supposed gentle giant of the Himalayas, lies at that tantalising edge where science meets wishful thinking. Most scientists dismiss it as a mythical creature, born of imagination, thin mountain air and Tibetan myth. But it would be wonderful if it were true. It is one of the creatures we most wish would exist. If Messner can produce his videos and photographs, it would be the first solid evidence of a creature that has been reported every decade or so for 150 years but which is still generally ascribed to legend.

It is an extraordinary claim. Yet Messner is an extraordinary man - in mountaineering circles, practically a legend. He is the foremost Himalayan climber of any generation. He was the first to climb Everest without oxygen - a feat previously thought impossible - and the first to do it alone. He is the only man to have climbed all 14 of the world's highest mountains.

Now 52, he has been to places few others have reached, in some of the most isolated valleys of the Himalayas. He had his first glimpse of a yeti, he says, in 1986 in Eastern Tibet, after tracking its 35cm-wide footprints. In June last year, he bought a skeleton from nomads on a plain in Ladakh, between India and Pakistan, then began searching the area in earnest.

"I searched for a week, 12 hours a day, in an area with no trees," he says. "I didn't expect to find one so soon. First, we saw a mother with her child. I could only take a photograph from the back. The child had bright red fur, the older animal's fur was black. She was over two metres tall, with dark hair, just like the legend. When they saw us they disappeared."

Two days later, Messner and his companions came across and filmed the sleeping yeti. Can this be possible? Certainly Tibetans and Sherpas of the regions around Mount Everest firmly believe in the existence of the yeti, but despite reports of tracks and occasional sightings, hard evidence for its existence is tantalisingly hard to come by.

The yeti has been rumored in the West since 1832, when the first Englishman to live in Nepal heard of a creature that moved erect and was covered in long, dark hair.

It has other names: Metohkangmi, mirka, sogpa and migo. The first means "filthy snowman" but a mis-translation by a journalist covering the 1921 expedition to Everest gave it the name that has stuck to the unfortunate creature since - though it is generally supposed to be gentle and shy rather than abominable. That year, 32 witnesses - six British climbers and 26 Sherpas - saw tracks ascribed to the yeti, although bears, goats or snow leopards were other explanations.

And while leading the expedition that conquered Everest in 1953, Sir John Hunt was told by the chief lama of the monastery where he was camping that a yeti had played in the snow in that very meadow the previous year. It had been scared away by the noise from conch-shell horns.

In 1960, Sir Edmund Hillary borrowed a "yeti scalp" from Sherpa villagers, but on analysis it turned out to be made from a Himalayan goat.

Yet Dr Karl Schuker, a British zoologist and expert on the yeti, said there could be some truth in Messner's claims.

"There have been yeti sightings over a 2000km range of the Himalayas from Pakistan through India to Tibet and even Burma," he says. `They divide into three types: the `original' yeti is red, there is a taller giant black species and there have been a few sightings of a smaller, red sub-species.

"Messner's sightings have thrown new light on those classifications. The red species may be simply a younger yeti, which acquires black hair as it grows." A major problem in believing the existence of the yeti is that no creature can exist on its own; to avoid extinction there must be a breeding colony of at least 50, if not hundreds.

Messner believes the yeti is far from being endangered: "I estimate that there are a thousand yetis in the Himalayas."

There are, of course, still major problems to accepting the creature exists. It would need a food source; Messner claims it is carnivorous, yet there are few reports of sheep or yaks going missing.

Chris Bonington, the British mountaineer who knows Messner and the region well, does not find that a problem.

"The valleys north-east of Everest are incredibly remote, almost impossible to travel in and thickly forested," he says. "The forests would provide food and shelter as well and would account for the relatively few sightings of the creature.

"On that interpretation, the yeti would venture above the snow line only to travel from valley to valley."

Messner's mountaineering exploits have earned him a castle in the Italian Alps, where he hopes to establish a yeti museum to display his finds.

But, as ever, there is a snag: he is not showing his evidence yet. We will have to wait two years or more, until his book is published, before we can see the evidence that Messner claims to possess.

It might be bad luck for the yeti if its existence is confirmed at last. There will undoubtedly be someone unable to resist the temptation to capture one. If it exists, it will certainly be adapted, like the yak, to the thin air and great altitude of the mountains. Yaks die if brought down to sea-level; their lungs can not cope with the thicker air.

The yeti, too, might pull a last trick on us to preserve its lonely secrets.

DAILY MAIL THE YETI FACT FILE

SIZE: Height 198cm, weight around 200kg - calculated from alleged sightings and depth of possible footprints.

FOOTPRINTS: Those found have been around 35cm wide and 50cm long.

HOME: 2000km-wide area of Himalayas centred around Everest. Most sightings are in regions from 2500m-3600m and often forested.

SPEED: Local talk suggests 60kmh in bursts - which is almost twice as fast as a human sprinter.

LIFESTYLE: Said to live to about 30, feed on yaks and sheep, communicate with a whistling sound and be nocturnal.

ORIGINS: Possible survivor of Neanderthal man, who may have retreated to Central Asia 38,000 years ago.

FUR: Usually black, red when younger and bright red as a child.

CHARACTER: Not aggressive as first thought; more likely to be a gentle, shy creature.

NAME: Abominable Snowman was a mis-translation of the local word Metohkangmi, which means means "filthy snowman".

(C) 1997 Herald and Weekly Times Limited.
AUSTRALIA/NEW ZEALAND
SUNDAY HERALD SUN 21/09/97 P50

Credit: Paul Cropper

Comment: We can only hope that Messner's claims are genuine, because if they are he may have proof for the existence of a true bone fide cryptid. It would be the first "true" cryptid to be scientifically accepted since Heuvelmans coined the word "cryptozoology" back in the 50's. The alleged yeti skeleton is the most important of Messner's finds, and I hope very much he will let a qualified physical anthropologist examine it.

She-Wolf
Tuesday, October 12th, 2004, 07:38 PM
I found this BTW :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3734946.stm

AryanKrieger
Tuesday, October 12th, 2004, 07:56 PM
I found this BTW :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3734946.stm
Thank you.:)

Tribunale Dei Minore
Wednesday, October 13th, 2004, 04:09 AM
http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~bz050/messner.html

YETI I'VE CLIMBED THE HIMALAYAS AND MET IT FOUR.
By JULIAN CHAMPKIN, DAILY MAIL.

blah... bla.. bla

*Julian, you should meet psychiatrist. [my comment]

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DAILY MAIL THE YETI FACT FILE

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LOL, the descriptions of non-existent things are always intriguing.

StrÝbog
Wednesday, October 13th, 2004, 04:47 AM
LOL, the descriptions of non-existent things are always intriguing.

LOL the smug arrogance of closed-minded skeptics is always amusing.

Odin Biggles
Wednesday, October 13th, 2004, 03:03 PM
The resemblance to my dad and those pictures is astonishing.

Blood_Axis
Wednesday, October 13th, 2004, 04:14 PM
The resemblance to my dad and those pictures is astonishing.
Excellent British Humour :bravo :handclap :clap :goldcup

Tribunale Dei Minore
Wednesday, October 13th, 2004, 11:14 PM
LOL the smug arrogance of closed-minded skeptics is always amusing.I'm open-minded enough to accept your "witty" Ad Hominem attacks (outside the FreeSpeech zone BTW) with lenience. Save your "open-minded"
brilliance and sardonism for somewhere else.

Yet, indeed, Im skeptic to sensational journalist stories of pathetic narrators
without any material evidence.

Do you really believe that if any real 'Yeti' have been captured indeed the serious science would neglect to research and describe it?

Or may be it is a "X-File" hidden somewhere by the american army?

Dr. Solar Wolff
Thursday, October 14th, 2004, 06:06 AM
LOL, the descriptions of non-existent things are always intriguing.

Violet, I don't know where Njord found you and brought you to us but I must thank him, you are an almost perfect foil.

Maybe you should take a look at Reinhold Messner's (whom I believe is an Austrian) first book, titiled: "My Quest for the Yeti", St. Martin's Press, 2000 or the original German language version, "Yeti, Legende und Wirklichkeit", S.Fischer Verlag, 1998. In that book the famous mountaineer, after years of research concluded the Yeti was a kind of blue bear confused with native legend.

Now, according to the article, after coming face to face with the creature, he has changed his mind. So, evidently, you know something that Mr. Messner doesn't know. Please share you experience with us.