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Newgrange
Thursday, March 18th, 2004, 10:03 PM
why does Skadi logo have a star of david in background? It's hard to see but it's there.

kinvolk
Thursday, March 18th, 2004, 10:07 PM
Yes, I kinda-sorta wondered about that also.

Atlancos
Thursday, March 18th, 2004, 10:14 PM
I see what you're talking about. It's been rotated about 30 degrees, so I guess that makes it different;)

Nordgau
Thursday, March 18th, 2004, 10:16 PM
Don't worry, folks. From a thread at The Phora where this is "discussed":

http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4026&perpage=15&highlight=star%20david%20skadi&pagenumber=2

"Jürgen Stroop
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[...] I just looked inside and they still have their old logo. there is NO JEWISH STAR in it. Dont make such false accustaions please, because it just discredits whatever argument you might have."



!!! Pictures of heathen symbols (thanks to Kriegsmaschine/Into soil etc. for them):

http://home.earthlink.net/~asatru/symbols/symbols8.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~asatru/symbols/symbols9.html

Ewergrin
Wednesday, March 24th, 2004, 01:16 AM
It's called a valknot.
I do believe it predates the Star of David (not that there is any correlation between the two) quite a bit.

Sigrun Christianson
Wednesday, March 24th, 2004, 02:37 AM
Star of David?? You guys are retarded. :rotfl

Newgrange
Wednesday, March 24th, 2004, 07:15 AM
Star of David?? You guys are retarded. :rotfl
so I will not be in your "Secret Admirer Report" :)

Sigrun Christianson
Wednesday, March 24th, 2004, 06:13 PM
so I will not be in your "Secret Admirer Report" :)Maybe, but not in my genius report. ;)

Milesian
Wednesday, March 24th, 2004, 06:49 PM
Yes don't say it's a Star of David......or Mossad will come and take you away during the night ;)



It's called a valknot.
I do believe it predates the Star of David (not that there is any correlation between the two) quite a bit

Perhaps the Germanic ancestors were indeed one of the Lost Tribes of Israel ;)

Sigrun Christianson
Wednesday, March 24th, 2004, 07:08 PM
Perhaps the Germanic ancestors were indeed one of the Lost Tribes of Israel ;)Them's fightin' words, pal.
:fbox:

Milesian
Wednesday, March 24th, 2004, 07:12 PM
Them's fightin' words, pal.
:fbox:

Oy oy oy! Look what I've started now! :jew ;)

Perhaps we should settle this like civilised people.....Drinking contest! That way there are no losers, only happy drunks! :prost :D

Sigrun Christianson
Wednesday, March 24th, 2004, 07:50 PM
Oy oy oy! Look what I've started now! :jew ;)

Perhaps we should settle this like civilised people.....Drinking contest! That way there are no losers, only happy drunks! :prost :DNo fair, you'd win and you know it.

Milesian
Wednesday, March 24th, 2004, 07:53 PM
A gentleman always lets the lady win.......so yes, I probably would ;)
Anyway in these contests it's not the winning that matters - it's the taking part :D :alcohol

fog
Thursday, September 23rd, 2004, 12:57 AM
Would someone please explain the graphic which appears on http://www.skadi.net. I do not understand the text (I only speak english), and I have never seen a six pointed star used by europeans.

I checked my usual source, http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/default_graphics.asp, but it was not there. :D

Was this the correct forum to post this type of question?

fog
Thursday, September 23rd, 2004, 06:18 PM
http://www.skadi.net/images/logo.jpeg

Siegfried
Thursday, September 23rd, 2004, 06:53 PM
The text means:

"Skadi, n: Germanic goddess of independence, winter, the hunt, and war. Wife of Njörd, mother of Freja."

As for the symbol; it's six valknuts (an ancient Germanic symbol) ordered into a six-pointed star. There have been numerous questions and speculations as to why this shape was chosen, but as far as I know, Njörd never bothered to actually answer this. It remains Skadi's enigma. :)

Milesian
Thursday, September 23rd, 2004, 08:39 PM
Enigma? I thought the answer was rather obvious ;) :D

Ewergrin
Thursday, September 23rd, 2004, 10:18 PM
I'm quite fed up with this question being asked every few weeks or months now.

This is the Star of David:
http://www.isymbolz.com/spiritual/judaism/jd008-Star%20of%20David-04.jpg

This is a valknut:
http://astar.mysteria.cz/Valknut.jpg


The symbol in the index page is six valknuts arranged in the shape of a star. No matter how you arrange them, it's still not a Star of David.
I dare someone to tell me the two are even remotely the same.

People, please use your brains and eyes and actually look at the design on the index page before asking these stupid questions. At the very least, use the forums search (http://forums.skadi.net/search.php?) feature and try to figure it out for youself before venturing into the forum and asking.

I'm making this thread a sticky.

fog
Thursday, September 23rd, 2004, 11:55 PM
The symbol in the index page is six valknuts arranged in the shape of a star. No matter how you arrange them, it's still not a Star of David.
I dare someone to tell me the two are even remotely the same. The fact that numerous people have commented on the the logos resemblence to the star of david proves that they look remotely similar. The six valknuts take the shape of a six pointed star. The majority of people first think of the star of david when they see a six pointed star.


People, please use your brains and eyes and actually look at the design on the index page before asking these stupid questions. At the very least, use the forums search (http://forums.skadi.net/search.php?) feature and try to figure it out for youself before venturing into the forum and asking. http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=77372&postcount=1 Was the linked post sarcasm?

Tripredacus
Friday, September 24th, 2004, 01:59 AM
It appears that the Jews just borrowed the 6 pointed star. Check out the history:

http://watch.pair.com/mark2.html

Dr. Solar Wolff
Friday, September 24th, 2004, 07:25 AM
I don't know if Skadi is the place for this but here goes. Geometric diagrams which are used as symbols usually have an esoteric meaning. What you are all describing in the Merkaba (Star of David) or the symbol used on Skadi's logo is such a diagram.

It has to do with energy flow. Imagine the earth for instance. Energy spirals down at both ends, at the poles, in opposite directions. Charged particles, ions, plasma and heaven knows what else is spiraling into the earth all the time. This is as a result of earth's magnetic field and is both maintained and caused by the earth's iron core which is itself moving. But energy cannot come in without going out--it must go out somewhere. Notice that the ends receive energy--the poles. The outflow of energy is at the equator, where the earth moves at 1000 miles per hour. It is no accident that this is directly between the poles.

In electromagnetic terms, the earth is functioning as a Bloch Wall. A magnet radiates energy at its center and receives energy at its poles.

A tornado does the same, although we can only see the energy flow above ground. A tornado releases energy at its smallest point wheret the two energy vortices meet.

Think of it as angular momentum. A charged particle, ion, etc. enters the earth's magnetic field and begins to spiral in. As it spirals in, it spins on its on axis faster and faster as the radius of the sprial shortens (like an ice skater doing a spin). At the vortex, where opposite spirals meet, angular momentum stops. But angualr momentum is energy. Where does it go? It radiates out at this point at a 90 degree angle to the axis of the vortex, just like the rotation of the earth.

Energy is radiated out in terms of motion as well as energy of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Esoteric diciplines represent this energy pathway as a figure eight (8), for instance, with the narrow constriction at the center being the Bloch Wall. Or, they might choose the Merkaba, the Star of David, in which two points of the six pointed star point in a 90 degree angle from the others. Or it might be represented as the intersection of two lines as in the German Balkan Cross or Ritter Kreuz or whatever you call it. But whatever you call it, it is the same esoteric or occult representation of a path of energy.

son of Roderic
Wednesday, December 15th, 2004, 12:21 PM
I have compared the example given by folkish with the skadi and conclude one significant difference. The valknut furnished by folkish has three points on all three sides as for the skadi only has two points at every side. I'm not contesting anyone but offering observation.

Verslingen
Monday, May 30th, 2005, 03:43 PM
does anyone have a clear copy of the image on the frontpage page? My brother likes it and wants to get a tattoo of it. Thanks

Ewergrin
Wednesday, June 1st, 2005, 03:53 PM
I have compared the example given by folkish with the skadi and conclude one significant difference. The valknut furnished by folkish has three points on all three sides as for the skadi only has two points at every side. I'm not contesting anyone but offering observation.

There are mutliple types of valknut. The one on the index page is indeed one of them.

QuietWind
Monday, December 19th, 2005, 10:04 PM
Perhaps this is a topic we should make a sticky about, since it is often revisited. ;)

Wulfaz
Tuesday, October 11th, 2016, 06:41 PM
What is the symbol from 6 Valknuts on the Skadi.net? It seems to me a star or something. What is this?

Bill Noble
Tuesday, October 11th, 2016, 08:39 PM
I had not previously noticed it. It has disturbing connotations.

Mööv
Tuesday, October 11th, 2016, 09:04 PM
Yes, if you flip it 90 degrees it becomes very disturbing.

Drottin
Wednesday, October 12th, 2016, 10:00 PM
The profile needs a makeover...

Ahnenerbe
Thursday, October 13th, 2016, 05:24 AM
The walknuts arranged into a hexagram are related to the mysteries of the 3, tthe 6 and the 9 (number of Wuotan).

The Hexagram is just another manifestation of the energy of the Mother rune Hagal (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagal_(Armanen_rune)), which is related to the mysteries of Creation.


https://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=112385&stc=1&d=1476328977

https://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=112386&stc=1&d=1476328977

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Mööv
Thursday, October 13th, 2016, 06:07 AM
Nine equals all the digits and nothing... lol... and what if I counted in vigesimal or duodecimal or whatever?

That thing still looks like the star of david, singularity or no :D

Catterick
Thursday, October 13th, 2016, 02:02 PM
3 triangles, 9 angles and 6 of them. Makes sense. The star of David is not Semitic but Turkic BTW so it turns up in diffefent cultures.

Wulfaz
Thursday, October 13th, 2016, 02:30 PM
Well, I have red somewhere that the Ancient Indians and Chinese have used the Hexagram like as the Swastika is just an ancient symbol what just used the nazis, but it exists the wall of Christian temples and Jewish synagouges or this symbol cintemporary used in India and the Far-East.

However the average man just identitify the Hexagram and the Swastika with the Jews and the nazis.

Aeternitas
Saturday, October 15th, 2016, 09:27 PM
A search for "skadi logo" might shed some light on the matter. ;) It is a hexagram built out of valknuts, if one takes a closer look:

http://skadi.net/images/logo.jpeg

The hexagram is one of the world's most ancient symbols, used by various civilizations whether in a historical, religious or cultural context. It has particularly been used in magic, occultism, witchcraft, astrology and... mathematics.

The root system for the simple Lie group G2 is in the form of a hexagram, with 6 long roots and 6 short roots.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Root_system_G2.svg/375px-Root_system_G2.svg.png

Six triangles is the Egyptian hieroglyphic for the Land of the Spirits. A 6-pointed star was the first sign for Amsu (the risen first man-god Horus).

To various religions and faiths the six-pointed star is the Star of Creation.

To the occult and practitioners of magic, the six-pointed star is called the talisman of Saturn.

http://watch.pair.com/sattal.gif

In ancient pagan mythology, Saturn ruled over the pre-Flood kingdom of Atlantis and became the divine ancestor of all earthly patriarchs and kings. According to a book regarding ancient pagan symbols, "The triangle, the geometrical emblem of three things, one above two, the two lower uniting to produce the higher, or the union of the positive and negative forces to produce the third, is the most complex and mystical as it is the most UNCOMPROMISING of all symbols. ....Three has been called the very soul of magic, astrology and divination."

In Germanic paganism and occultism, The Hagal rune is the central axis point of the hexagonal crystal of which the Armanen runes are derived. Recognize any of these symbols perchance?

https://aryanity.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/hagalrune-occulthistoryofthethirdreich-petercrawford.png?w=200&h=180

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-D8YuSz36mzk/VEKDn6_KnRI/AAAAAAAABto/ZULsYxdasVM/s1600/2526444.jpg

http://www.weisse-magie.com/index.4.JPG

http://pmcdn.priceminister.com/photo/blason-mural-grande-rune-ior-hagal-en-pierre-reconstituee-viking-celtique-neuf-decoration-995226172_ML.jpg

https://aryanity.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/ssdeathsheadring-hagalrune-sigrune-occulthistorythirdreich.jpg?w=320&h=178

http://s46.radikal.ru/i111/0911/69/decc74ed5149.jpg

http://s08.radikal.ru/i181/0911/34/37f15816b4a9.jpg

http://images.ttcdn.co/media/i/product/145577-e4e62ba6c807431fa703b5adcbcd552c.jpeg?si ze=500

https://img1.etsystatic.com/026/0/5432637/il_570xN.626546683_sn59.jpg

It is also essential to astrology, the Zodiacal chart cannot be cast without this symbol.

Also see the star of life (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_Life).

There was actually no usage of it in Jewish circles until around the 17th century and it became really prominent in the 19th. For thousands of years, Jews used the menorah, a seven-armed ceremonial candelabrum, as a symbol of their faith.

It has been there since Skadi's beginnings, and it's there to stay. :)

Mrs vonTrep
Saturday, October 15th, 2016, 11:32 PM
There was actually no usage of it in Jewish circles until around the 17th century and it became really prominent in the 19th.

Bet they stole it like they stole everything else that is now known as "Jewish culture".

Huginn ok Muninn
Saturday, October 15th, 2016, 11:56 PM
Bet they stole it like they stole everything else that is now known as "Jewish culture".

I think being backstabbing swindlers was something they came up with entirely on their own...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob

Nachtengel
Sunday, October 16th, 2016, 12:17 AM
The Jews are known to borrow stuff from other cultures, like German surnames and their Yiddish language. One thing the Jews like to do is infiltrate into other cultures with the purpose of becoming influential in that culture. There are many elements in Jewish culture and religion which can be found originally in other cultures, they just adopt them from the people they reside with.

Here's another one that comes to my mind which was brought from the Ashkenazim, breaking a glass at a marriage ceremony. The Ashkenazim learned it in Germany, it was a rural folk practice for those who believed in folk tales about demons: the glass would be broken to trick the demons to believe there was an impending catastrophe, not a celebration. The demons would then leave the couple alone.

Aside from the shape, we can distinguish the valknots, which are a widely known Germanic symbol. Though maybe to dispel myths it could be replaced with a single, bigger valknot? The valknot has been Skadi's and the Alhing's symbol too. Just an idea, food for thought. ;)

Catterick
Sunday, October 16th, 2016, 01:42 AM
Most historical usage seems to be Turkic: it was used in Khazaria, Karaman and Candar. Its use as a symbol of the Jews is rare before the 19th century.

Wikipedia says: "Its usage as a sign of Jewish identity began in the Middle Ages, though its religious usage began earlier, with the current earliest archeological evidence being a stone bearing the shield from the arch of a 3–4th century synagogue in the Galilee."

But Greeks, Assyrians and others were using it at that time and earlier so it isn't particularly Jewish in antiquity. In India it means Shiva-Shakti but its meaning in the ancient E Mediterranean seems lost. In the kabbalah, the centre is Tifereth/Rahamim reflecting a similar concept to the S Asian usage. Rosicrurianism identified the center with death and the planet Saturn: Eliade wrote on this subject. Ultimately the identification of Saturn with death is a Persian concept and the Jewish god has been identified with Saturn ever since Babylonian influence in antiquity hence their sabbath on a Saturday. In the cultural synthesis of late antiquity this doubtless contributed to the notion that the Jewish God is identical with Satan/Ahriman.

Wulfaz
Sunday, October 16th, 2016, 07:43 AM
Bet they stole it like they stole everything else that is now known as "Jewish culture".

Indeed. I have learned Jewish religion history and the Jooz just have stolen own whole history. The earliest part of the Old Testament is from the Mesopotamian religions. The Egyptian story with Joseph and Moses is from the Canaanits. The 5th book of Moses has written by after hundreds of years of the time of Moses. They always collect stories, symbols, everything and later they claim that all of them is own.

It is similar to the Romans as they collect everything what they can, however they didn't claim that the idea would be always own. F.e. a Roman soldier under Caesar wearded Keltic helmet, trouser and armor, Hispanic sword, Greek throwing spear and a modified Germanic shield. The sward was called Gladius Hispaniensis, not Gladius Ultimatus Prae-Proto-Romanus (ultimate pre-proto-roman sword). :D