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Grimr
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 06:58 PM
I have decided to create a religion called the Sech Arcana that shall hold the following ideals:

1) To ensure that followers of the religion concentrate upon building technologies and advancing genetically:

i) The god of the religion will be portrayed as a pregnant Aryan female architect.

ii) Children will have their life partners selected at birth according to certain genetic values that are wished to be expressed in their next of kin also this will remove the threat of sexual diseases and force the two individuals closer to the religion as it is the religion that bound them.

iii) The messiah shall be expressed as the internal spirit of the individual thus bringing them closer to the pregnant Aryan female architect god.

2) Moral issues:

i) As people are bound together at birth under the religion issues of rape, chastity and homosexuality will become myth.

ii) Do as thou wilt shall be the whole law

iii) Those that build, create and genetically preserve will be known as deities in the physical realm thus no heaven or hell is necessary.

Awar
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 07:02 PM
I think you really need to read-up on things before undertaking such a mammoth task.
Watch some popular science programmes about STD's, psychology, philosophy, politics, religion, history etc.

If you're spending time creating a religion or ideology, you might as well try to make something that actually works :)

Grimr
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 07:06 PM
you might as well try to make something that actually works

You havn't explained how it won't 'work' as you put it, I don't see how any religion does work or doesn't work; it is simply a religion, simply a faith.

Awar
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 07:11 PM
Yes, I'm sure there are numerous religions which have zero followers. :)
They all work, keep repeating that to yourself ;)
Tell me, do you believe in a pregnant female architect god?

Also, tell me, what do ou expect your religion to DO for the people of earth?
Why is it called Sech Arcana, what does it mean ( except it sounds like a playstation game )?

Grimr
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 07:38 PM
Yes, I'm sure there are numerous religions which have zero followers. :)
They all work, keep repeating that to yourself ;)

It doesn't have a following of zero I have recieved 35 E-mails related to the faith 12 of which have been positive.


Tell me, do you believe in a pregnant female architect god?

If there is a god then it will be female, pregnant with the cosmos and the architect of existance also the belief in such an entity is Eugenically positive.


Also, tell me, what do ou expect your religion to DO for the people of earth?

The religion isn't for all the people of the earth it is simply for Aryans and I expect the religion to force the Aryan population to build technologically and eugenically.


Why is it called Sech Arcana, what does it mean

Sech is the name for the god and Arcana is a word for gathering or grouping.

Johannes de León
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 07:48 PM
Arcana is a word for gathering or grouping. In which language? In latin it means secret, and in english it is the plural of Arcanum, and also mean secrets.

Grimr
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 08:00 PM
In which language? In latin it means secret, and in english it is the plural of Arcanum, and also mean secrets.

Yes something of that nature, some clandestine thing; highly appropriate for a cult.

Awar
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 08:02 PM
I propose this to be the symbol of your religion:

http://img8.imgspot.com/u/04/258/13/symboloffaith29684.jpg

Forgive me, but I'm really in a funny mood today.

What the hell is it with you people?
You claim to be 'Aryan' and blah blah, but you devise plans and invent ideologies and religions which bear an uncanny resemblance to Judaism, Islam, Stalinism, an Orwellian dystopia and Mormons with hormones.

So, what good is a genetic 'Aryan' who is spiritually less than a bacteria?

Grimr
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 08:07 PM
religions which bear an uncanny resemblance to Judaism, Islam, Stalinism, an Orwellian dystopia and Mormons with hormones.

The whole concept is very simple; theological eugenics, it has nothing to do with the religions of the desert perhaps Stalinism and Orwellian dystopia though...

Oskorei
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 09:45 PM
What the hell is it with you people?
You claim to be 'Aryan' and blah blah, but you devise plans and invent ideologies and religions which bear an uncanny resemblance to Judaism, Islam, Stalinism, an Orwellian dystopia and Mormons with hormones.

So, what good is a genetic 'Aryan' who is spiritually less than a bacteria?
Id say it has very little in common with those religions you mentioned (apart from the fact that Judaism and Mormonism also originally were racialist religions), rather it is a nice mix between Creativity and Occult Individualism. It definitely has an Aryan aspect, and may very well be the faith that leads us towards the reality of Homo Galacticus. Or at least some similar faith.

Japetos
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 10:11 PM
Let's make a "skadi" religion! :D

Awar
Thursday, September 16th, 2004, 04:23 AM
Well, if for you 'Aryan' = 'being a conformist unit in an ant colony', then, OK, it's your view on the matter. :)

Hagalaz
Thursday, September 16th, 2004, 05:04 AM
Why waste your time with a sub-religion with shite ideals and just follow the beliefs of your ancestors? HEATHENISM. We don't need another branch of pseudo faith.

Johannes de León
Thursday, September 16th, 2004, 10:04 AM
Why waste your time with a sub-religion with shite ideals and just follow the beliefs of your ancestors? HEATHENISM. We don't need another branch of pseudo faith. I bet many of your acestors were Christians, why don't you follow Christianity? :)

Oskorei
Thursday, September 16th, 2004, 10:22 AM
Well, if for you 'Aryan' = 'being a conformist unit in an ant colony', then, OK, it's your view on the matter. :)
"ii) Do as thou wilt shall be the whole law" :D

One important aspect of being Aryan to me is combining personal freedom with the well-being of the community.

Vestmannr
Thursday, September 16th, 2004, 03:59 PM
"ii) Do as thou wilt shall be the whole law" :D

That is just Thelema. The problem is, one cannot separate that 'Ritual High Magick' stuff from its roots in Kabbalah and self-hating European copycatting of Kabbalah. Look at the fellow who created the 'Do what thou wilt..' stuff: what legacy did he leave? A bunch of emotionally and mentally disturbed angst-ridden chem-dependents living in a fantasy land, unable to distinguish reality from the creations of their own minds. Where are his 'Aryan children'? (clue: he had no children.) The sad fact is: if it tries to wipe out European civilization, and doesn't produce European children ... then it is a destructive idea.

The problem with 'creating' religions is that they turn out no better than the fool who creates them. The wisest course of action is to simply join an established religion with *at least* a thousand years of verifiable continuity. That way one at least knows it works. For a European, a religion that is part of European history and civilization is the best choice (unless one is planning on leaving European civilization and becoming part of China, India, Africa, etc.)

Oskorei
Thursday, September 16th, 2004, 05:03 PM
That is just Thelema. The problem is, one cannot separate that 'Ritual High Magick' stuff from its roots in Kabbalah and self-hating European copycatting of Kabbalah. Look at the fellow who created the 'Do what thou wilt..' stuff: what legacy did he leave? A bunch of emotionally and mentally disturbed angst-ridden chem-dependents living in a fantasy land, unable to distinguish reality from the creations of their own minds. Where are his 'Aryan children'? (clue: he had no children.) The sad fact is: if it tries to wipe out European civilization, and doesn't produce European children ... then it is a destructive idea.
Thelema is originally a rather militant creed, and have had several links to Fascism during the years. Crowley based his occult thinking on Egyptian sources to a large extent, not only Kabbalah.

IMO the shortcomings of Crowley is based more on the fact that he was brought up by Fundamentalist Christians, and used much energy to rebel against them, often in stupid ways. Anyway, most Occultisms attract a lot of nuts, not only Thelema.

Vestmannr
Thursday, September 16th, 2004, 06:37 PM
IMO the shortcomings of Crowley is based more on the fact that he was brought up by Fundamentalist Christians, and used much energy to rebel against them, often in stupid ways. Anyway, most Occultisms attract a lot of nuts, not only Thelema.

No doubt true, as even Hilaire Belloc noted that Fundamentalist Christianity (ie, Protestantism) was an attempt to become Judaism: hence their focus on the Hebrew rather than the Greek scriptures, Law over Sacrament, etc. What you say about Occult movements is true, however. The anti-Christian ravings of many occultists *is* so much wasted energy.

As for 'Sech Arcana', for those who didn't 'get it'. Sech is another word for 'Hex' or six. A 'Sech circle' was a Hex circle, IOW a Magen David (Star of David' in a circle. So, I'm wondering just what the 'hidden hex' is in this? ;) The internal Messianism seems to have much in common with Reformed Judaism and Reconstructed Judaism with their idea of the Messiah being the State of Israel or Judaism itself (rather, as the individual Jew as partaking in the 'Eretz Israel' manifesting Messiah.)

Grimr
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 11:06 AM
As for 'Sech Arcana', for those who didn't 'get it'. Sech is another word for 'Hex' or six. So, I'm wondering just what the 'hidden hex' is in this? ;)

It's a riddle; apart from the brutal racism that this religion will hold the rest of the faith will consist of complex, esoteric riddles.

Deling
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 12:35 PM
You can't just create a religion. They flow from generations of knowledge, mentalities and wisdom, and its image are projected in times of spiritual decline and political vacuums. I don't see where your fertility religion would be.

Your idea isn't especially creative either, there are hundreds of these kind of 'religions'; from Raelians, to Cosmotheism/Prometheism/Neo-Eugenics/Transhumanism and all that kind of new age things. Even I formed rather logical technology-based metaphysics some years ago, but that was just for fun: I would be pathetic if I went public with some hybris conquer-the-universe-and-build-'White'-Galactic-empire-a la-StarTrek-megalomania-without-any-touch-with-reality..

There's no need for new religions now at the end of history. ACTION is the sole religion needed, and that's ones spirituality also.

Deling
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 12:37 PM
"brutal racism that this religion will hold the rest of the faith will consist of complex, esoteric riddles"

BTW,
1) "Brutal racism" as such is no virtue.
2) "Complex, esoteric riddles" whatever; join Rosicrucian freemasons or Hermeuticists if you want those.

Grimr
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 12:47 PM
1) "Brutal racism" as such is no virtue.

The works of Mengele could be seen as brutally racialist.

2) "Complex, esoteric riddles" whatever; join Rosicrucian freemasons or Hermeuticists if you want those. [/QUOTE]

Not a really a temple of eugenics are they...

Siegfried
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 01:22 PM
If you can convince people to believe in a pregnant Aryan female architect as a goddess, I'm quite sure you're also capable of making people care about the future of their race in a less cultish way. Truth is always preferable to fairy tales, even if they serve a temporary purpose.

Prussian
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 01:35 PM
.....your feelings serve you well young Grimr:D


http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=20583&stc=1

Grimr
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 03:17 PM
If you can convince people to believe in a pregnant Aryan female architect as a goddess, fairy tales

I think I will drop that idea, I think a more interesting god is needed like a big Cthulhu monster or something, any how the god isn't important...


I'm quite sure you're also capable of making people care about the future of their race in a less cultish way.

People like cults and religions more than they do political parties also I like the idea of setting up a temple of Eugenics.


Truth is always preferable to fairy tales, even if they serve a temporary purpose.

People love fairy tales, look at capitalism and it's alternatives! Look at multi-racialism! If anything people hate the truth!

Oskorei
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 03:59 PM
I think I will drop that idea, I think a more interesting god is needed like a big Cthulhu monster or something, any how the god isn't important...
We actually had a Cthulhu-cult in my hometown some years ago. I never managed to figure out if they were just freaks or if there was some thought behind it all. They didnt survive long though :D

Deling
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 04:05 PM
"I think I will drop that idea, I think a more interesting god is needed like a big Cthulhu monster or something, any how the god isn't important..."

God is extremely important, but it's a total misconception of all what religion stands for to believe in physical gods. Capitalism is god, by the way. The (metaphysical) "invincible hand" that will guarantee the existance of the Market is just a revised paradigm of middle-age Scholastics. God is never physical, always metaphysical; archetypal. On the other hand, there are avatars in Hinduism...

So why do you want to invent a physical god who doesn't exist? And even being serious about it all makes it, in my view, laughable. God is always a synonym for a Culture's perception of existence and its ways/'laws', and essentially what guides it.

Grimr
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 04:07 PM
We actually had a Cthulhu-cult in my hometown some years ago. I never managed to figure out if they were just freaks or if there was some thought behind it all. They didnt survive long though :D

I wonder what H.P. Lovecraft would think about people who actually worship his creation?

Grimr
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 04:14 PM
God is extremely important, but it's a total misconception of all what religion stands for to believe in physical gods.

Perhaps...


Capitalism is god, by the way. The (metaphysical) "invincible hand" that will guarantee the existance of the Market is just a revised paradigm of middle-age Scholastics. God is never physical, always metaphysical; archetypal.

When I form a secular community for my religion I think I will use capitalism and give my god the credit for the physical money.


On the other hand, there are avatars in Hinduism...

I often visit Hindu places of worship, I like the way their gods are big Aryan people and yet they are worshipped by little Negroid people.


So why do you want to invent a physical god who doesn't exist?

It's a comfortable way of controlling people in a cult.


And even being serious about it all makes it, in my view, laughable. God is always a synonym for a Culture's perception of existence and its ways/'laws', and essentially what guides it.

I agree.

Deling
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 04:22 PM
"When I form a secular community for my religion I think I will use capitalism and give my god the credit for the physical money."

I see we're toying with words: a secular, religious Mammonist bio-socialist cult worshipping Money and Race Purity.... well well, sounds like an American Aum Shinrikyo or something: very crazy, that is.

"It's a comfortable way of controlling people in a cult."

Because they won't believe in the god, no. But on the other hand; deranged religious ideas have success sometimes...just look at the Scientology church..

"I often visit Hindu places of worship, I like the way their gods are big Aryan people and yet they are worshipped by little Negroid people."

When I see icons of Shiva, Krsna, Vishnu a.s.o I tend to notice that they look just as negro as a regular Indian... but I'm perhaps color-blind.

"Perhaps..."

Not perhaps. It is.

"I agree."

You agree that your idea is rather laughable..?

Oskorei
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 04:24 PM
I wonder what H.P. Lovecraft would think about people who actually worship his creation?
I've heard the version that HP was plagued by nightmares and horrible dreams all of his life (about Old Ones), and that this was really the Old Ones's way of getting an audience in our world. Dont know how true this is (about the dreams of course :D).

I doubt that he would find such a cult very healthy or positive though.

Grimr
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 04:29 PM
I see we're toying with words: a secular, religious Mammonist bio-socialist cult worshipping Money and Race Purity.... well well, sounds like an American Aum Shinrikyo or something: very crazy, that is.

There will be no worshipping of Money simply the use of it in a theological way, but other than that yes.


Because they won't believe in the god, no. But on the other hand; deranged religious ideas have success sometimes...just look at the Scientology church..

I like L. Ron Hubbard! Why is it people are always saying his church is bad? Just because he hated his son for being a homosexual doesn't make him a bad person or a bad cult leader!


When I see icons of Shiva, Krsna, Vishnu a.s.o I tend to notice that they look just as negro as a regular Indian... but I'm perhaps color-blind.

It depends which country you are in but generally the Avatars look Aryan.


You agree that your idea is rather laughable..?

A laughable god is harder to defy.

Grimr
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 04:33 PM
I've heard the version that HP was plagued by nightmares and horrible dreams all of his life (about Old Ones), and that this was really the Old Ones's way of getting an audience in our world. Dont know how true this is (about the dreams of course :D).

Allot of the biographical information such as this is actually true.


I doubt that he would find such a cult very healthy or positive though.

Lovecraft seemed to have a very Nihilist moral code; he would probably write a short story about people worshipping his creation.