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Wuotans Krieger
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 01:33 AM
Could anyone give me any information or web links to The Order of the Nine Angles?
As far as I am aware they are based in England, they are attempting to use magic to establish an Aryan Imperium and revere Adolf Hitler as an avatar.
Any information at all would be appreciated. Thank you.:)

green nationalist
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 02:25 AM
Here is a link

http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/

They basic see their mission as too cause Aeonic change, inspire revouloution so they support the counterculture whatever it is at the time, for instance in this time of peace they would support a warlike ethos, and in times of war they would support CND of some hippy movement.

thats what i can gather anyway, they wish to be "A thorn in the side of Orthodoxy"

Wuotans Krieger
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 03:21 PM
Thank you for that. I tried to access their Temple 88 page but they have exceeded their bandwith for the month!:D

Katera
Monday, October 18th, 2004, 06:54 PM
I hope you know ONA doesn't exist anymore...

green nationalist
Tuesday, October 19th, 2004, 12:45 AM
How do you know that?

Does anyone have a link for OSV?

Katera
Tuesday, October 19th, 2004, 01:42 PM
Does anyone have a link for OSV?[/QUOTE] I've heard many rumuors about ONA and every rummour said they are history. Other parts od gossips are not interesting at all... :D

Katera
Tuesday, October 19th, 2004, 01:51 PM
http://ona.satanicwebsites.com/

Not a shade compared to the original website that was on the naszdom.net. After they've put the site down there was some pornographic site.

One important thing in conn. with ONA: they supported child abuse! So, I hope my hands will get covered with blood of ONA's leadership one day.

Oskorei
Tuesday, October 19th, 2004, 04:37 PM
Are you sure about that? Some sort of source would actually be nice to see in connection to that sort of accusation.

Katera
Tuesday, October 19th, 2004, 04:45 PM
Mate, I said that those are gossips but judging to their style of satanism and their rituals I have came to concl. that this gossip might be true. I don't trust everything people say but this is very possible. And... Their style of satanism is Luciferian and you probably know their type of rituals. I know one guy who is really into that stuff so I can ask him for more info if you wish.

Oskorei
Tuesday, October 19th, 2004, 05:04 PM
The reason I dont think that the ONA were into child abuse is that Ive heard repeated rumors that the founder (Anton Long) was actually the National Socialist David Myatt. They had some links with the Extreme Right, and shared the philosophy of the Superman.

But of course, there are some sick figures in most Satanist organizations, so there might be a basis for the rumors.

Katera
Tuesday, October 19th, 2004, 05:11 PM
The reason I dont think that the ONA were into child abuse is that Ive heard repeated rumors that the founder (Anton Long) was actually the National Socialist David Myatt. They had some links with the Extreme Right, and shared the philosophy of the Superman.
Yes, I've also heard that one. But, consider that child molestor could even be the swedish king, croatian prime minister, you or me... And you and me could also be NS but practise child abuse. Of course, we do hold to some moral principles (I guess the swedish king and cro. prime minister do also :D ;))


But of course, there are some sick figures in most Satanist organizations, so there might be a basis for the rumors.
Yep! They beliefs are immoral so they are immoral. For some, immoral is an euphemism.

Oskorei
Tuesday, October 19th, 2004, 05:17 PM
Yep! They beliefs are immoral so they are immoral. For some, immoral is an euphemism.
Agreed. The problem with Laveyan Satanism is that they say that the individual should do what the indivudal feels like, but they have no real anthropology, no real theory of the nature of man. In this they differ from Paganism, which has a theory about the true nature of the Pagan, and about how a noble man should be and act.

And this of course means that the Laveyist can be untrue to his/her true nature, and commit unworthy things.

Katera
Tuesday, October 19th, 2004, 05:22 PM
Hahaha... LaVey was a cheap philosopher and nothing more. One thing is good about him... He knew how to make money by doing nothing. :D A jew or...? :D :D

rhadley
Wednesday, October 20th, 2004, 07:54 AM
Yes, I've also heard that one. But, consider that child molestor could even be the swedish king, croatian prime minister, you or me... And you and me could also be NS but practise child abuse..


0) Someone who is really NS could not do that because a true NS'ist upholds honor and such a thing is dishonorable in the highest possible degree.

Thus, anyone calling themselves a NS'ist who does what is dishonorable is either lying or has forfeited the right to call themselves NS.

1) One aspect of the ONA is this honor - see for instance

http://ona.apoliteia.com/guide/warrior.html

2) Another aspect of the ONA is the belief that only those over about 16 years of age can be involved - it's about developing and using one's will.

See http://ona.apoliteia.com/guide/intro2.html

3) For ONA and NS, see Temple 88 web links and so on.

Katera
Wednesday, October 20th, 2004, 12:58 PM
0) Yes, of course but there are poseurs who do not have any trace of honour!
1) OK. Words are words...
2)"But surely Satanists control and use others - manipulate them?


Of course! Some people are natural slaves. Satanists are the natural leaders."

I find this quote very amusing... Do not post various links because I do not have any will to read it over and over again.

3) I have seen those sites.

OK. Let's end this discussion and if someone wants to talk about ONA let him be... :D

rhadley
Wednesday, October 20th, 2004, 02:02 PM
0) Yes, of course but there are poseurs who do not have any trace of honour!
1) OK. Words are words.


Glad you appreciate the humor of all this :)


The links were intended...for anybody, especially he who first enquired about the ONA.

Katera
Wednesday, October 20th, 2004, 07:42 PM
OK mate... Is this EOD or...? :)

Croaton
Thursday, October 21st, 2004, 04:20 PM
ONA is very controversial so not many accurate things have been said about them.Only I have large library of their texts.Some say that they dont exist any more some say they do.Anyway they have interesting (although I prefer other practices) system of satanic magic.

Fenris
Friday, July 1st, 2005, 02:42 AM
David W. Myatt no longer practices any form of Satanistic theology, he was investigated by the press a few years ago and was last reputed to be practicing Islam and delving into the mysteries thereof.

The ONA did not condone child abuse, I have no idea where you got that information, but as someone who is very familiar with their texts and feels a certain affinity for their philosophy and teaching - indeed I self-initiated myself as per NAOS, which could be considered a compendium of most of the ONA's ritual and philosophical work, I can quite safely say that I have never once during my study of any texts or works originating from the Order of Nine Angles seen anything allude towards child abuse.

As the links rhadley supplied indicate, there existed a strong warrior spirit and ethos of bettering oneself in the ONA's teachings.

fms panzerfaust
Tuesday, July 5th, 2005, 02:23 AM
Actually Myatt is not more in Islam.

Fenris
Friday, September 16th, 2005, 06:50 AM
This is true, though I believe he still pens Islamic fundamentalist material for Hamas his rather mercurial focus shifted yet again back closer to home, with his "Numinous Way of Folk Culture."
http://www.geocities.com/dwmyatt/

It's essentially a more "peaceful" approach to national socialism and the folkway, a far cry from his Combat 18 days or his "Zionist-Crusader Alliance" with the Taliban.

His Islamist writings can be found on the Palestinian Hamas website under the names Abdul Aziz, and Abdul Aziz ibn Myatt, as well as gathered here: http://website.lineone.net/~davidmyatt/


http://camlad9.tripod.com/
Finally, here may be found an ONA website, albeit not an official one (as in an interview here (http://camlad9.tripod.com/nasz_dom.html) Anton Long says there will never be an official or semi-official site)

Hrafn
Thursday, May 11th, 2006, 09:13 PM
I wonder if people still can join the ONA? If yes, how? Does anyone of you have contacts to members of the ONA?

CountBloodSpawn
Friday, May 12th, 2006, 01:30 AM
I wonder if people still can join the ONA? If yes, how? Does anyone of you have contacts to members of the ONA?

I actually heard from someone else that they don't accept memberships and are not active anymore,
something about the authorities being on to them about their culling activities

sky-cloud
Saturday, May 13th, 2006, 09:34 AM
This is true, though I believe he still pens Islamic fundamentalist material for Hamas his rather mercurial focus shifted yet again back closer to home, with his "Numinous Way of Folk Culture."

Those interested might find the following articles of interest in respect of Myatt's aims and those of the ONA
myatt_questions (http://www.cosmicbeing.info/questions_myatt.html)
sinisterlife (http://www.geocities.com/davidmyatt/sinisterlife.html)
journalists (http://www.geocities.com/davidmyatt/machinations1.html)
There was a full page article about Myatt in the London Times newspaper two weeks ago

fms panzerfaust
Saturday, May 13th, 2006, 07:29 PM
Forget the ONA, folks! It's not a party, just a underground organization.
What they did was to bring to us the septenary model of interpretation of the universe, the causal/acausal dichotomy, which can be a productive alchemical working, if you take some concepts of it and merge with pagan ideas.

I translated texts from ONA years ago to portuguese, but few people got interested at that time. Nowadays I see it more as a model of interpretation. It's not something that you'll follow to the letters, because if you do this, you'll being dogmatic, and dogmatism is opposed to satanism.
Well, really, satanism assumes a dichotomy with christianity. If you assumes that christianity is outside, you'll leave the satanist idea behind.

But, from the angle of christianity (the old model of christianity, as was passed by history through the catholic church), anything pagan will be seen as a manifestation of satan. However, christian heretical sects (the cathars, for example) dont had this idea. How this will be valid then?

Here is a example how to merge the septenary with paganism: the spheres of the septenary were present on mithraism (see The Mysteries of Mithra, by Franz Cummont, for some details), and each one can be related to a god: Moon for example, is related to Hecate (Hella or Urd), Mercury is related to Hermes (Woden), etc. The court cards of the tarot are divided in four: for example, the prince, as Apollo/Mitra, represents the east, the summer and the sun, he carries a sword and is mounted on a horse. Some laveyans said that this is white magic (theurgy), arguing that this is not the "real satanism". Who cares?

Hrafn
Saturday, May 13th, 2006, 08:46 PM
something about the authorities being on to them about their culling activities

That stuff regarding human sacrifices, right?

Hildolf
Saturday, May 13th, 2006, 10:47 PM
I personally *believe* that the purpose of the ONA isn't to exist like a standard Satanic org. It exists by putting it's MS out there for people to read and inspire those who feel inclined to carry out the work outlined in it's MS, with a view that along with other strategies non-related directly to the ONA but it's alleged creators other activities, that such aeonic inititives can be achieved.

As such whether or not the ONA exists in the conventional sense is irrelevant. Whilst there are people who are inspired by the work of the ONA and who work towards achieving the aims outlined in the MS, then the ONA exists.

sky-cloud
Saturday, May 13th, 2006, 11:14 PM
Forget the ONA, folks! It's not a party, just a underground organization.
Or - a modern mythos designed to bring about real change within the individual who becomes inspired by it.
Check out
Seventh Way Magick (http://camlad9.tripod.com/five-way.html)

brothr_apostate
Friday, May 19th, 2006, 02:47 AM
the problem with the ona is its defense of illegal activity which has a tendency to devolve into childish lashing out rather than real spiritual development.
something new is needed....

Fenris
Wednesday, August 23rd, 2006, 10:38 AM
Look deeper into the writings put forth by the ONA and you'll find it far, FAR more complex than simply condoning illegal activity and encouraging childish lashing out.

There are keys and suggestions for great philosophical change within the works that were published, and as already mentioned, the actual writings are meant more as an inspiration than an outright manifesto. They're meant to trigger new modalities of thought, not have the reader blindly ape what they're told. The Sevenfold Way is for thinkers, not followers.

brothr_apostate
Wednesday, August 23rd, 2006, 05:33 PM
Look deeper into the writings put forth by the ONA and you'll find it far, FAR more complex than simply condoning illegal activity and encouraging childish lashing out.

There are keys and suggestions for great philosophical change within the works that were published, and as already mentioned, the actual writings are meant more as an inspiration than an outright manifesto. They're meant to trigger new modalities of thought, not have the reader blindly ape what they're told. The Sevenfold Way is for thinkers, not followers.
You are correct, my point is that most people dont look deep enough in to it to see that. For this reason the ONA has not been capable of any widespread success. The activities it defends often merely attract unsavory elements rather than a positive elite.

Fenris
Wednesday, August 23rd, 2006, 11:35 PM
Part of me sees such unsavory characters more as a distraction for the unwitting, acting in a sort of "smoke and mirrors" capacity and obfuscating the true inheritors of the Sevenfold Way. I could only speculate on whether that was intentional or a fortunate byproduct, however it does serve its own purpose in a way, diverting attention away from the real workings and providing a bufferzone for unsuitable elements and in a manner of speaking, erecting a "meat shield" of disposable martyrs.

My outlook may be callous or sociopathic in some peoples eyes, I personally think of it more as realistic. Who would you rather have ushering in the new Aeon? Real visionaries, or simple brutes?

I'm glad this discussion is still going, by the way, Aeonic Satanism is one of my favourite subjects.

brothr_apostate
Sunday, August 27th, 2006, 07:53 PM
Part of me sees such unsavory characters more as a distraction for the unwitting, acting in a sort of "smoke and mirrors" capacity and obfuscating the true inheritors of the Sevenfold Way. I could only speculate on whether that was intentional or a fortunate byproduct, however it does serve its own purpose in a way, diverting attention away from the real workings and providing a bufferzone for unsuitable elements and in a manner of speaking, erecting a "meat shield" of disposable martyrs.

My outlook may be callous or sociopathic in some peoples eyes, I personally think of it more as realistic. Who would you rather have ushering in the new Aeon? Real visionaries, or simple brutes?

I'm glad this discussion is still going, by the way, Aeonic Satanism is one of my favourite subjects.

I can see how brutal imagery can be used to ward off the weak-willed or be used to shatter a persons preconceptions, but doesn't it also prevent more large-scale success?

green nationalist
Friday, December 15th, 2006, 02:26 PM
Hmm

Maybe one of you has a copy of the "coxland" edition of NAOS?

brothr_apostate
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 08:12 AM
Hmm

Maybe one of you has a copy of the "coxland" edition of NAOS?

Coxland? Unfamiliar with the term, I remember reading the old pdf format version of it but that's all.

green nationalist
Sunday, January 28th, 2007, 12:47 AM
Coxland? Unfamiliar with the term, I remember reading the old pdf format version of it but that's all.

Coxland was the name of Stephen Coxs publishing company.

Stephen Cox founded the Order of JArls baelder

Bladen
Thursday, February 22nd, 2007, 03:52 PM
This site:
http://www.blacklotusmonastery.tk/
Has just about every ONA Mss non-members can get their hands on, including NAOS. They are all in big pdf files. Couldn't tell you if they were coxland or not.