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Trevor
Sunday, December 8th, 2002, 11:19 PM
The National Federalist Party is a newly formed political party, intended to provide greatness and honor to its followers, and to the country influenced by it. The National Federalist Party is an exceptionally organized party and one of its many goals is to provide a stable and corruption free party for a nation, in which to make great. The National Federalist Party, otherwise known as NFP shall obtain the seat of a nation and thus forth the leader of the NFP will introduce and establish his new concept. His new concept is an entirely new government, for which it will provide happiness, stability, strength, honor, and fame to the country lead by the party.

I am the leader of the party, in the party I am known as the Chancellor. I will lead the party to greatness, with the help of its loyal members. If you are interested in hearing the ideologies of the party or my thoughts, then please contact me or visit our website.
Our website isn't complete, just yet, but you can see what we have so far. Click here (www.nfparty.cjb.net)

Ederico
Sunday, December 8th, 2002, 11:26 PM
Interesting, just one advice do not promise the unachievable there will always be a decree of discontent amongst the populace and the secret is to limit that discontent to a minimal minority of Citizens.

A word about your words avoid using the phrase "intended to provide greatness and honor to its followers" otherwise you might create the sensation that you intend to instate a system of political clientalism. A National and/or Racial Movement should be about the benefit of the entire Nation and/or Race, excluding those in direct opposition to the Ideals of the Movement or to the actions of the Movement, such Individuals need to be restricted in their actions upon the assumption of Administrative, Legislative, and Executive Power.

Otherwise you show great ambition, which is an excellent characteristic when not superseeded by arrogance.

Trevor
Sunday, December 8th, 2002, 11:53 PM
The National Federalist Party is a party that is intended to provide happiness to the people. You may ask, how so? Well through my system of organization and government, that I have created, it is very capable of doing so. My party is set on Politics, not White Supremacy. I understand that many of the members here are interested in forming a 4th Reich and starting another National Socialist party that would be as strong as Hitlerís. In this day and age you canít rise in politics if youíre saluting Hitler and shouting SS slogans. Now you must understand, with every action takes preparation. Through a process I wish to gain power in a nation and start with my new government, which is an excellent concept by the way. My new government will not be pro-Caucasian openly, but believe me; I will deal with the problems as the time becomes appropriate. I am for a pure nation, completely European. I will strive to create an empire of greatness, for which every European, depending on my nation, most likely Germanic, can feel proud of.

OnionPeeler
Monday, December 9th, 2002, 12:52 AM
That you have ambition is clear. You'll find forming an effective party of any ideology is no cake walk.

Most here are well aware of National Socialism's 'baggage'. Some choose to openly declare that ideology nonetheless. Whether it can 'go any where' or not, is a matter of opinion and prognostication.

Good luck with your NFP, but to be quite frank, politics within the liberal democracies are becoming ethnically polarized (see Fonte's "Transnational Progressivism", Piper's "Racial Marxism"). You can try to skirt the issue if you want, but it won't work. Universalist ideologies are falling apart every where.

Sicklecellanemia
Sunday, January 5th, 2003, 04:28 AM
Greetings Kinsman, I had no idea that you became a member of this site.

cosmocreator
Monday, January 6th, 2003, 12:39 AM
That's very interesting. I was thinking this morning that I should start a political party here in Canada. I still have to think of a name. My first thought was The Racial Separation Party but I don't think it's encompassing enough. BTW, what was the process in the US? Here I think you have to get X number of signatures and pay a fee.

Trevor
Wednesday, January 8th, 2003, 04:18 AM
National Federalism is not National Socialism; do not get them mixed up. However we both want to defeat evil, I look at evil as being Democracy, Corruption, Communism, etc. If you are interested in trying something new then you might want to check out my site on the NFP, National Federalist Party. It is a newly formed political party that will attempt to end Democracy which allows corruption and greed to rain free of persecution. As well as that, crime is not dealt with efficiently and their open door policy to most nationalities is outrageous. The US is finished; it will collapse in time just like the Soviet Union. I believe that there is still hope in the European lands, they are original and they were the start of the Caucasian race.

Click Here (www.nfparty.cjb.net) to visit our website.

AryanPride
Wednesday, January 22nd, 2003, 06:17 PM
National Fedralist Party? Hey just a question... about who they are and what they do and what is the deal with these guys? Anyone know whats up?

Sicklecellanemia
Thursday, January 23rd, 2003, 10:37 AM
We are trying to start a political group.
As far as names go, I only have the right to post my own name on any website, I am Ronald Moore.
Right now we are small but we are also new.
I have received encouraging feedback from different pro White organizations so far. If you want to see our site you are more then welcome to by clicking clickhere (http://64.78.67.121/nfp/)

Trevor
Friday, January 24th, 2003, 09:41 PM
Hello, I am the Party Chancellor of the National Federalist Party, please read the following to learn more about our party. This is only a brief summary of our party and ideologies. I recommend you visit our website as soon as possible, but be aware that currently the website is down for reasons of upgrading.

The National Federalist Party uses a new form of government known as National Federalism. National Federalism is a new concept and as its creator, I hope to bring greatness to a nation empowered by it. National Federalism is a concept derived from the word Federalism which means, a system of government in which power is divided between a central authority and constituent political units. By adding National to the term Federalism I have changed its meaning entirely. National Federalism means, a system of government in which power is divided between a central, overruling authority and constituent councils or certain political units. This system of government is closely related to a Hierarchy, but is thoroughly developed to be much more efficient and successful. National Federalism incorporates a system of corruption free government that listens to the people, while still maintaining power over the nation. In National Federalism the people come first, then the military and then the economy. The people come first, why is that you may ask? Well the people come first because they are the country. What is a country? A country is a territory or boundary dividing a much greater land mass and this territory is inhabited with citizens whom make the country possible. Without citizens you have no country, you have land. The military comes second because military equals safety to the people and military can mean power to the government as well. Economics comes third because it is the least important. You must favor the citizens, protect them and then once they are secure and safe, and the government has power, economics plays the role of happiness, but it still is put below the first two factors. In National Federalism the law is very important. First of all, stability is acquired by military might, popular consent, and happiness. A main problem with most governments of today is that they do not fight crime enough. National Federalism believes that in order to acquire a stable government you must try and defeat crime. This is possible, how you might ask; well you can defeat crime if you direct enough resources and manpower. An effective way of defeating crime is to have a strong military style police force that is feared by the criminals but embraced by the citizens. When criminals are brought to justice our courts will show no mercy unless there is probable cause of innocence. A great man once said, ďLaw is reason without passion.Ē That man was Aristotle. How vary true his quote is, and it shall be followed strongly by the National Federalist Party. The National Federalist Party is an effective combatant to corrupt Democracy, and it will fight to gain power in a nation to make that nation gain prestige, honor, valor, and greatness. That nation would become a world power, and would not have to take orders from the corrupt United States of America. A few of our ideologies are contained in this text; unfortunately we may not release precious information that could be used by our enemies in an attempt to destroy our party. If you would like to find out more about the National Federalist Party, and if you are really interested then I suggest you join. Good luck!

Trevor
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 02:33 AM
I have my backup server running, you can visit the website by clicking here (http://www.nfparty.cjb.net/) , however some of the features that are on the live server are not on the backup. So please be patient as I upgrade my software, hardware, etc. Good day to ya

tnbt
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 02:50 AM
Oh please get real Trevor.

National Federalists would never work.

Trevor
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 03:35 AM
Hm. Interesting reply. You may think what you want but first, please, before you make such a bold statement and testify that you are incompetent by having not a reason for your belief; at least you should think of a semi-intelligent justification for your ignoramus attitude. I assume you are either WN, NS, etc. Well maybe it is time for you to get real and stop lingering on the past, Hitler's dead buddy, and so is Nazism and Fascism. Besides they would've never worked, and they didn't. So let me ask you this, who needs to get real?

Trevor
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 04:13 AM
National Socialism at one point in history was looked upon as the ideal government, ideology, and party. However since those times it has been demonized to the point of total rejection amongst politically correct and incorrect patrons. Whether one holds intellect in politics or not it has been demonized excessively, this renders it completely obsolete. In this day and age it is impossible to openly be National Socialist without being criticized and rejected before one can speak.

National Socialism dissolved with the death of Adolf Hitler, and whether some of you want to believe it or not, you must! National Socialism will never make a come back and some of you need to realize this. If you are National Socialist you are living a life of fantasy. You cannot expect to get recognized as a political figure if you are National Socialist, you will be rejected assertively.

For those of you who are National Socialist because of racism, then you are hopeless. I know what youíre thinking, you want someone or you to gain power in Deutschland and commit genocide upon all the Jews. Well if you believe that youíre sick for one, and for two itís a fantasy which could only be thought by someone suffering from mental problems. I suggest you either change your train of thought or seek medical help immediately.

True National Socialism is a good philosophy, but National Socialism under Adolf Hilter is considered to be a system of racism. The people who believe that have the Holocaust to reinforce their ideas. Some of you will sit their and say that the Holocaust never happened. If you believe that you are either blind, dumb, or just plain sick. The Holocaust happened; they have live footage of the clean up when they had to burry thousands upon thousands of men, women and children. They took the footage to prevent another crew of psychotic leaders getting control of a country, ever again. Adolf Hilter may have been a good military leader, and I respect him for restoring power to Deutschland, but I am sorry you cannot overlook the sickness he must have possessed in order to bestow upon the Jews and so many others the Holocaust.

In conclusion, National Socialism is obsolete and should be forgotten once and for all. It is an object of the past and will never reemerge. If you argue with me then you are in denial, and most likely living in a fantasy world. To those of you seeking reference or guidance, I suggest you research some of the newer parties, and perhaps my party, the National Federalist Party.

Johnson
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 04:19 AM
Originally posted by Trevor
National Socialism will never make a come back and some of you need to realize this.

For those of you who are National Socialist because of racism, then you are hopeless.

I know what youíre thinking, you want someone or you to gain power in Deutschland and commit genocide upon all the Jews. Well if you believe that youíre sick for one, and for two itís a fantasy which could only be thought by someone suffering from mental problems. I suggest you either change your train of thought or seek medical help immediately.

In conclusion, National Socialism is obsolete and should be forgotten once and for all. It is an object of the past and will never reemerge.

I agree wholeheartedly with these points.
Though it would have been better to post this without whoring your own party ;)

Conquistador
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 04:58 AM
Originally posted by Trevor
National Socialism at one point in history was looked upon as the ideal government, ideology, and party. However since those times it has been demonized to the point of total rejection amongst politically correct and incorrect patrons. Whether one holds intellect in politics or not it has been demonized excessively, this renders it completely obsolete. In this day and age it is impossible to openly be National Socialist without being criticized and rejected before one can speak.

National Socialism dissolved with the death of Adolf Hitler, and whether some of you want to believe it or not, you must! National Socialism will never make a come back and some of you need to realize this. If you are National Socialist you are living a life of fantasy. You cannot expect to get recognized as a political figure if you are National Socialist, you will be rejected assertively.

For those of you who are National Socialist because of racism, then you are hopeless. I know what youíre thinking, you want someone or you to gain power in Deutschland and commit genocide upon all the Jews. Well if you believe that youíre sick for one, and for two itís a fantasy which could only be thought by someone suffering from mental problems. I suggest you either change your train of thought or seek medical help immediately.

In conclusion, National Socialism is obsolete and should be forgotten once and for all. It is an object of the past and will never reemerge. If you argue with me then you are in denial, and most likely living in a fantasy world. To those of you seeking reference or guidance, I suggest you research some of the newer parties, and perhaps my party, the National Federalist Party.

In this universe, self-interest governs all. This being the case in point. :rolleyes: Though, I don't blame you for trying. :showoff

Johnson
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 05:01 AM
Originally posted by Conquistador
In this universe, self-interest governs all. This being the case in point. :rolleyes: Though, I don't blame you for trying. :showoff

Halfassed rhetoric. What do you mean.

Conquistador
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 05:04 AM
Originally posted by Johnson
Halfassed rhetoric. What do you mean.

It means whatever you want it to mean. :boiling

Sicklecellanemia
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 06:41 PM
In this universe, self-interest governs all. This being the case in point. Though, I don't blame you for trying.

I hope that this is refering to the fact that Trevor has started up a political organization of his own.

If it meant something else, especially about his blood, then you also involve me.

Trevor shares the same blood that flows through my veins for the most part.

I have respected your opinions and I may have got the wrong idea due to my natural affection toward my cousin.

My own ideas about genocide however would qualify me as one of the extremely sick ones.

I would have thought it was because of the political issue had you not responded "It means whatever you want it to mean"

If you doubt him, you doubt me!
I can pm you my home address or you can PM me your address and we can meet face to face.

Moody
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 07:07 PM
They have Wisdom, it is the Wisdom of the Blood.

National Socialism is Negated?

Then it has experienced its Twilight - the Twilight of the Gods.

Then let us affirm this Negation of NS and Overcome it - NS arises out of the abyss of Negation to be reborn once more; that is the meaning of Baldur and Ragnarok.

NS has been cast as a Demon, and thereby Demonised?

Was not Odin transvalued into the Devil also?

Transvaluation of All Values!

The Demons have all the best songs and the most Will to Power.

Victory to the most demoniac then!

Take care of your Blood!

And are we followers of the IMMORTAL Adolf Hitler ... 'insane' ?

So be it!

All the great poets courted madness - and we NS poets are the "unacknowledged legislators of the world"!

Yes, the future lies in OUR madness, not in the rational logic of the sane and sensible.

While the acceptable man of mediocrity counts out his money, we madmen will spill our Blood for the Great Cause of the Aryan Saviour Adolf Hitler.

Tomorrow belongs to me!

You are Odin's Son.

Aryan NS
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 07:25 PM
My friend, why are you so down on NS?
There will be a time when people will be forced to wake up and see whats happening. NS WILL RISE AGAIN AT SOME TIME, MAYBE NOT IN OUR LIFE TIMES, BUT WE MUST TEACH OUR CHILDREN THE NS VALUES. I REJECT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING

HEIL ADOLF HITLER! HEIL THE ARYAN RACE!
HEIL THE FOURTH RIECH!
WE WILL RISE AND BE LEAD INTO VICTORY.
HEIL

Conquistador
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 10:12 PM
Originally posted by Sicklecellanemia
...I can pm you my home address or you can PM me your address and we can meet face to face.

Since I'm not able to drive 2,000 miles to see you, I have PMed you instead. And I wasn't being doubtful of you or your cousin.

Regards,

Conquistador

Sicklecellanemia
Saturday, January 25th, 2003, 10:23 PM
Since I'm not able to drive 2,000 miles to see you, I have PMed you instead. And I wasn't being doubtful of you or your cousin

No problem Kinsman, I misunderstood when I saw the second response.
I wholeheartly love National Socialism and even I do not agree with everything that Trevor posted about it.
Perhaps he could have worded it a little differently.

GreenHeart
Sunday, January 26th, 2003, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Moody Lawless
They have Wisdom, it is the Wisdom of the Blood.

National Socialism is Negated?

Then it has experienced its Twilight - the Twilight of the Gods.

Then let us affirm this Negation of NS and Overcome it - NS arises out of the abyss of Negation to be reborn once more; that is the meaning of Baldur and Ragnarok.

NS has been cast as a Demon, and thereby Demonised?

Was not Odin transvalued into the Devil also?

Transvaluation of All Values!

The Demons have all the best songs and the most Will to Power.

Victory to the most demoniac then!

Take care of your Blood!

And are we followers of the IMMORTAL Adolf Hitler ... 'insane' ?

So be it!



Excellent response. I would love to prove Trevor wrong but I'm too exhausted to sift through endless research and proof and etc... right now I need to get some sleep.

Trevor should expect a good debate tomorrow...... Meanwhile he should study NS thought to finally realize for himself that NS had and will continue to have nothing to do with killing jews. Except in the minds of the brainwashed and extremely deluded maniacs.......

Heil dem FŁhrer
Heil dem Reich
HEIL DEN SIEG!!

88

Trevor
Sunday, January 26th, 2003, 06:21 PM
I myself to was once in a state of denial. I thought that National Socialism would live on forever and rise once more. Since then I have changed my ways, coming to realize that it will never happen. Some of you say if it doesnít happen in our lifetimes then it will happen in the next. Well to be honest I want to change the world in my lifetime, not the next, and to do that I had to drop National Socialism. If some of you want to change the world in this lifetime, then you must do the same.

Please, I urge you National Socialists to open your eyes and look at the world we live in today; you must stop living a life of fantasy. In schools, every year the students are drilled upon the fact that in WWII there are good guys and bad guys, Adolf Hitler is bad and the Allies are good. Noting this fact is reason enough to drop National Socialism, you think it will reemerge because you National Socialists are teaching your children the truth, well its simply not going to happen if you look at the ratio of Nazis vs. Democratic and or Republican parents. Either way your children will be combated by the children who were brainwashed in school. It is hopeless.

So I ask of you again, just open your eyes.

Moody
Tuesday, January 28th, 2003, 04:40 PM
The Protestants in Northern Ireland have a saying, and it goes;
"No Surrender!"

The idea that we should give in and accept the Enemy's distortion of National Socialism is execrable; we will not be led by lies.

Look through the Programme of the NSDAP (G.Feder) - this includes the 25 Points and a detailed discussion of them; this programme is still applicable today with very little alteration!

We have in the Third Reich an example of National Socialism in action; we have in Hitler the example of the Great Leader - we must NEVER leave these things in the lurch.

When Hitler was imprisoned after the failed Putsch, the Party was banned, and Hitler was defamed forever by the Jewish Press.
But The Fuehrer never gave up, because he knew that the principles of National Socialism are Eternal.

Truth never goes out of fashion.

Hitler was not a mere mortal - such beings as he rarely occur more than once in a cultural cycle.
He was a 'Man Against Time' (as Devi put it), and had therefore the Will to Power to change things in a lifetime.
Until another such a one comes along, NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU COMPROMISE, YOU WILL CHANGE NOTHING.

Indeed, it behoves us in times like these, NOT to compromise at any cost. In these 'seed times' we must concentrate on our doctrine, examine it, expand it, heighten it, and deepen it. For when the next Avatar comes he will, like Hitler, draw upon all the work done in the past.
But beware, he will also blow away all the compromisers, trimmers and ditherers.

Compromise is treachery.

It is pointless you using such pseudo-psychological clap-trap as "denial" - leave all that jargon for the followers of the Jew Freud.
Unless you can present a constructive criticism of National Socialism that can be seen as a real improvement, then you are just singing the same old tune of negativity, Nihilism and defeat: and that is tedious.

Trevor
Tuesday, January 28th, 2003, 08:40 PM
Well until you can show me that National Socialism is still effective then keep your fantasies to yourself. There will never be another country like the 3rd Reich, it is over. In my personal opinion I would want to start from scratch, not follow in footsteps.

Moody
Wednesday, January 29th, 2003, 06:40 PM
It is YOU who are posting on a National Socialist board.

Who is bothering to post on YOUR board?

How dare you tell me to keep my 'fantasies' to myself!

Such rude arrogance will win no friends for your supposed 'new movement'.

The LIVING achievement of National Socialism is out there in all areas of life because it is a Total World Outlook.

Again, it is up to YOU, as the Nay-Sayer to present an alternative.

Show me YOUR alternative 'Mein Kampf'.

Clearly you cannot do that, and abuse is no substitute for substance.

So much for that.

Heil Hitler

Trevor
Wednesday, January 29th, 2003, 08:04 PM
You know nothing about our party, so what gives you the right to criticize the movement! You may however criticize me, for I made this post and it shall burden my shoulders. Why shall I show you my ideals and ideologies in such a form to resemble Mein Kampf? I am not out to make a second National Socialist movement or to play copy cat here. I would rather speak it to my people in person, instead of publishing a book and having my supporters and enemies read it alike. If you criticize everything I am about well fine then, your raw judgment cannot hurt me. I was merely suggesting an idea to the National Socialists and who took it out of hand? This is not a National Socialist board either, itís White Nationalist.

Moody
Thursday, January 30th, 2003, 07:29 PM
Hitler was able to present his ideas in a nut-shell if necessary.

National Socialism is a positive programme, which can be viewed on the micro or the macro level; it is well-established in the world of ideas.

What do you have to offer as an alternative - HERE?

It is no good running Hitler down, and then leaving a sad little link - I for one, am not interested; because if you cannot argue your case POSITIVELY HERE, then I couldn't care for it.

So if you are not going to put down anything of substance on THIS forum, then why bother gratuitously attacking the Fuehrer?

I would say that this forum has a National Socialist centre of gravity - but what do I know!

Trevor
Thursday, January 30th, 2003, 08:50 PM
FŁhrer? Who said anything about me slandering him? I embrace his genius and admire his leadership. Who is the person slandering him now with your "Fuehrer"?

Moody
Saturday, February 1st, 2003, 07:11 AM
Then you have just answered your original question.

National Socialism is NOT negated.

Heil Hitler

Trevor
Sunday, February 2nd, 2003, 04:19 AM
First of all, I did not answer my own question, Hitler isnít National Socialism, National Socialism is a belief. National Socialism is far since negated. Some of you are in denial and will not come to realize this so I am forced to argue with those of you whom are stubborn Nazis.

National Socialism is obsolete, many of you here are opposed to this, but many outside this forum are fond of this idea. National Socialism is completely obsolete for several reasons and I will attempt to define and explain as many as possible in the following message. Whether you believe me or not that is fine, I cannot change the mind of someone who has been brainwashed.

Reason 1:

National Socialism at the high point of the Third Reich was a great government; it was looked upon to be the envy of the world. After World War II National Socialism was depicted as a ravenous militant party whose intent was bond on either ceding the world or destroying it. Along with the horrific Holocaust it completely shrouded the National Socialist Party to be a Jew hungry militant aggressor. However, truly the intentions of National Socialism were not meant to be that way, Adolf Hitler and some other officials were a result of the Holocaust and excessive imperialistic attitude. This type of politics is deemed to be evil, it is a combination of Racism with Genocide and Imperialism tainted through the perversions of several Psychopaths. Adolf Hitler was a genius, but he was also a Psychopath. Being able to send your troops to kill thousands upon thousands of Jewish men, women, and children without remorse is severely disgusting. For this reason
National Socialism will rise never again.

Today there are still Nazis, being members of Hammerskins, Neo, or the NSP. They saunter around hailing the man who committed the most horrific sin anyone could commit, genocide. In the Bible genocide is considered an act to open the gates of hell, meaning it is the worst act of transgression one can commit against Godís creation. Whether you believe in Christianity or not you cannot be blind and make a misconception of the Holocaust or the fact that the Nazis killed thousands upon thousands of Jews, not to mention the Gypsies. To overlook this would be ignorant and dense.

Reason 2:

National Socialism is obsolete because it has been demonized to excessively. I am not talking about some of the Nazis beliefs; I am talking about true National Socialism without Hitler. There are two ways to go about reinstating National Socialism, both would fail. You could try to create a rebirth of National Socialism by indulging in its high points and denouncing Hitler, this would not work. It would fail for reasons being the fact that it has been demonized to be a power hungry blinded imperialistic system of belief, which was true being under Hitler. However National Socialism could be an excellent system in its true form, but that will happen never. The second way that Nazis attempt to bring about a rebirth of Nazism is by continuing to hail Hitler, relying on their youth to bring the 4th Reich into existence in a couple lifetimes. If you ask me it is a pathetic belief. National Socialism will not rise in your life or your childrenís lives, that is the truth and those of you who do not believe it may just continue hailing Hitler and living their lives in vain.

Reason 3:

You feel that Democracy is shattering, which is true, and you believe this is the calling for National Socialism to rise once again. This will not happen I can tell you right now, to say that National Socialism will rise again is the same thing as saying England will be under a Monarchy again. If Democracy completely fails then a new government will be instated, a completely new one. The other option would be to replace it with a Republic. That is how those liberal people think, they would never resort to Fascism or National Socialism because they believe it would fail to and that it is the government of Hitler. They linger upon WWII and the Holocaust which defects National Socialism for good.

Conclusion:

If you are not moderately convinced that National Socialism is obsolete after have read my document, which in my mind contributes to the better of our race, then you are hopeless. I do not care about you and that is final, the hopeless people that march around hailing Hitler and the Holocaust can continue to do that and get no where in their lives, while looking pretty stupid and barbaric with National Socialist symbols all over them and a shaved head. Not only that but if there is a hell Iím sure youíre going to it. In retrospect to my document, I want you people to realize that I do hold some odium towards certain minorities for their actions upon society, but by no means does that signify that I condone the Holocaust or genocide. The Holocaust should never be condoned in my mind; genocide is just completely sick and demented. To resort to those acts would be to suffer your race and convey you to be lower then them. End

Cheers
Through victory we will meet again!

AryanSoldier
Sunday, February 2nd, 2003, 10:28 AM
National Socialism dissolved with the death of Adolf Hitler, and whether some of you want to believe it or not, you must! National Socialism will never make a come back

We'll see about that if you know what I mean:ultrawink


"Destroy by all and any means. National Socialism will reshape the world."
- Adolf Hitler

Moody
Sunday, February 2nd, 2003, 05:37 PM
Before we go into detail, let me put your opposition to National Socialism in a nutshell;

1) You say that,
a: National Socialism [NS] perpretrated a 'Holocaust',
b: The Leader and inventor of NS was a 'Psychopath',
c: NS is 'evil'.

2) You also say that,
a: NS has been 'demonised' by its enemies.

3) And,
a: NS will not rise again (?)

Your Conclusion is;
a: Followers of NS are 'damned'.

All in all this is a weak set of arguments.

The issue of the fictional 'Holocaust' is dealt with in the threads concerned with that subject on this forum; I will just say here that the Holohoax is war-time propaganda, combined with post-war extortion - I am a thorough Holocau$t SCEPTIC.

Whatever is said on the subject of the 'Holocaust' however, should not deflect us from the real issue here, which is the POLITICAL viability [or not] of NS.

The same objection applies to the wartime propaganda Lie that Hitler was a 'psychopath'; this is without evidential proof, and even if true, would not 'negate' NS, any more than Nero's supposed madness would negate the Roman achievement.

'Evil' is a subjective religious position; again, war-time propaganda always paints the enemy as 'evil' - this rarely has objective value.
This propaganda is the basis of all 'demonisation' and is not therefore, intellectually respectable.

The objection given in your 'conclusion', is similar to the charge of 'evil', and just as baseless, while objection 3)a: is not an argument at all, but rather a feeble attempt at prophecy.
It is rather stupid, because history DOES have a habit of repeating itself.

So this is just a brief resume of your paltry position, and I could go into detail in further posts to comletely blow you out of the water if you want more pain.

You see, Trevor, without the Fuehrer and NS, you are rudderless and up the proverbial creek ... without so much as a paddle

Moody
Sunday, February 2nd, 2003, 06:19 PM
To balance Trevor's Negativism, I shall give a brief outline of the 25 Points of National Socialism.

I have adapted them to a pan-European position; this is based on the Third Reich's own direction during the war, as it sought to both create and to protect a pan-European Reich.

25 Points

1: Union of all White Europeans in a Great Europa.

2: European independence in dealing with other Nations.

3: Colonies required for superfluous population.

4: White European Blood qualifies for European Nationality.

5: Non-Europeans have guest status in Europa.

6: Only Europeans allowed to vote.

7: Preference given to Europeans to the exclusion of foreigners.

8: Non-Aryan immigration into Europa forbidden.

9: All European citizens are equal.

10:All Europeans must work for the good of the state.

11:Abolition of incomes unearned by work.

12:Confiscation of war gains.

13:Nationalisation of business cartels.

14:Profits from whole-sale trade to be shared out.

15:Extensive provision for old-age.

16: Preference given to small-traders.

17:Prevention of speculation on land.

18:Death-Penalty for anti-European usurers, profiteers etc.,

19:Nationalist Law to replace Internationalist Law.

20:A White Nationalist Education.

21:Emphasis on sport for youth.

22:Military National Service.

23:A White Nationalist Media.

24: Religious Freedom for all Pro-White Religions.

25: A strong, centralised State.


This is just a rough break-down of the 25 Points on my part; others may be able to refine them, update them etc.,

This is what we may call the 'National Socialist Minimum' for the Age.

Heil Hitler

Trevor
Sunday, February 2nd, 2003, 09:05 PM
Are you blind, dumb or just plain sick?

Evidential proof for their psychotic behavior is the Holocaust. Are you stupid? Are you going to sit there and tell me that all the bodies in the concentration camps were not real? They have footage of the thousands upon thousands of dead men, women and even children. You surly fit the state of mind to be hailing Hitler, so I will leave you be. This is beyond political with you and people like you.

Sicklecellanemia
Monday, February 3rd, 2003, 06:40 AM
After putting some thought into it, I have decided to resign from the NFP.
A lot of it had to do with certain posts about NS.
I have to follow and stay true to my own beliefs otherwise I would similar to a lemming.

Moody
Monday, February 3rd, 2003, 04:41 PM
The sheer poverty of your reply adverts to your complete lack of argument; you have nothing to say, and no way of saying it.
To respond in such a miserly way to my two well-constructed posts only demonstrates your complete want of seriousness.

However, to show that I am always intent on a full debate,I shall deal in full with the few sad lines that you left behind;

TREVOR: [to Moody], Are you blind, dumb or just plain sick?

MOODY: I have 20-20 vision, can speak rather better than you, and I am very healthy, thank you.
But what has that to do with anything?
Such ad hominems reveal your own ignorance.

TREVOR: Evidential proof for their [the German's] psychotic behavior is the Holocaust.

MOODY: The so-called 'Holocaust' has its own thread here, as I have said; you are meant to be addressing whether NS is negated POLITICALLY.
As the Hollycaust is far from being a fact, then it can be no "proof".

TREVOR: Are you stupid? Are you going to sit there and tell me that all the bodies in the concentration camps were not real?

MOODY: No, I am not stupid; it is you who are so - if you think that a debate on the political viability of NS hinges around the Holocau$t CONTROVERSY.
Remember that concentration camps were an invention of the British; remember that both sides interned their enemies in camps in WWII; remember that the Allies bombed the supply lines in the Reich during WWII, effectively starving people in the camps; and remember that your Allies included the SOVIET UNION!

However, as I said, the Ho£ocaust phenomena must be debated separately - it is irelevant [whether there was a 'holocaust' or not] to the question you ask, i.e., whether NS is negated.
If that is the only issue you have, then you are completely lost.

TREVOR: They have footage of the thousands upon thousands of dead men, women and even children.

MOODY: Who is "they'?
Millions of White Europeans died in the world wars because a bankrupt Britain declared war on her ascendant rival Germany; only the USA and the USSR benefited from this.
As did the State of Israel - care to condemn Israel's crimes?
Again, this is not relevant to the question of the validity of a political programme.

TREVOR: You surely fit the state of mind to be hailing Hitler, so I will leave you be. This is beyond political with you and people like you.

MOODY: The point is, you haven't touched on the "political";
You are living in the past by dwelling on your sad little 'holocost'.

Wake up to the present!

Hitler's Programme of National Socialism is Eternally Valid!
By building on such sure foundations we can only triumph!

We have no use for vapid Holohoax Mongers like yourself.

Be gone!

Sicklecellanemia
Monday, February 3rd, 2003, 05:36 PM
Well, since I resigned from the National Federalist party due to conflicting beliefs, I believe that I will jump in this.




Evidential proof for their psychotic behavior is the Holocaust

Proof of anything means a lack of reasonable doubt, there is no doubt that many people died during WW2 including women and children. The doubt lays on how they died.
Most of these holy hoax victims were actually victims of allied raids, starvation (food was rather scarce), typhus, influensia, disteria, or just made up.
www.white-history.com/treblinka.htm
http://ihr.org
I have more links but I feel I would be wasting my time.

Why in the f#ck would you bite the hand that feeds you Trevor?
You are aware that my closest most trusted friends who have put the most effort into helping you gain support, helping you with your computer security, helping me recruit, and etc... are either die hard Nazis or die hard Klansmen.
You obviously despise both groups.




National Socialism is far since negated.

If this is the case, it is only so because jew puppets such as yourself spew out lies and halftruths about it and make it appear evil.


I cannot change the mind of someone who has been brainwashed.

Nor can I.
You have been brainwashed by your jew and jew puppet teachers and are too ignorant to even see it.


Adolf Hitler was a genius, but he was also a Psychopath.

We both agree that He was a genius. Now please explain why he was a psychopath.
Remember, Hitler NEVER called for the killing of jews and the holy hoax is debatable.
By the way, you would not have amounted to a zitt on Adolf Hitler's ass.
He was far and away a greater man then you will ever be!


HEIL HITLER 8814

ScŠthach
Wednesday, March 12th, 2003, 07:11 PM
As soon as Moody mentioned the protestants and their 'no surrender' etc i found it difficult to read on......
pity.

Surrender to what?
unifying a land that should be unified?

Of course i dont know your stance on the issue here but i hope you're not the type of loyalist (if you're one at all) that believes the Irish are subhuman and that the unionists 'dont attack,they defend' x_zzz

Moody
Wednesday, March 12th, 2003, 07:28 PM
My reply will be guided by an attempt to stay 'on topic'.

The Loyalist cry 'No surrender' means the readiness to fight to the death for what you believe, even in the face of all kinds of terroristic intimidation.

National Socialism also exhibits this ethos.

As for the further comments you make, I find it hard to understand what you are trying to get at within the ambit of this thread.

Jack
Friday, March 14th, 2003, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by Moody Lawless
To balance Trevor's Negativism, I shall give a brief outline of the 25 Points of National Socialism.

I have adapted them to a pan-European position; this is based on the Third Reich's own direction during the war, as it sought to both create and to protect a pan-European Reich.

25 Points

1: Union of all White Europeans in a Great Europa.

2: European independence in dealing with other Nations.

3: Colonies required for superfluous population.

4: White European Blood qualifies for European Nationality.

5: Non-Europeans have guest status in Europa.

6: Only Europeans allowed to vote.

7: Preference given to Europeans to the exclusion of foreigners.

8: Non-Aryan immigration into Europa forbidden.

9: All European citizens are equal.

10:All Europeans must work for the good of the state.

11: Abolition of incomes unearned by work.

12:Confiscation of war gains.

13:Nationalisation of business cartels.

14: Profits from whole-sale trade to be shared out.

15: Extensive provision for old-age.

16: Preference given to small-traders.

17: Prevention of speculation on land.

18: Death-Penalty for anti-European usurers, profiteers etc.,

19: Nationalist Law to replace Internationalist Law.

20:A White Nationalist Education.

21: Emphasis on sport for youth.

22: Military National Service.

23: A White Nationalist Media.

24: Religious Freedom for all Pro-White Religions.

25: A strong, centralised State.


This is just a rough break-down of the 25 Points on my part; others may be able to refine them, update them etc.,

This is what we may call the 'National Socialist Minimum' for the Age.

Heil Hitler

I find myself in agreement with this except on the point 9 - that "All Europeans are equal" - I mean, I'm not saying Germans or Nordics or whatever are superior to everyone else (I disagree with that definetly), but I think it should be better phrased "All European nationalities are equal", because as we all know, "All men are not equal; thus speaks Justice" (Nietzsche). I view the idea that all men are equal as sick, because all men are not; some men are more noble than others, some are more altruistic than others, some are more intelligent than others and some are more politically capable than others, etc. One thing I hate about liberals (both classic and modern) - the liberal talks out two sides of his mouth. On one hand, be the best, on the other, all men are equal.

The purpose of the State is to enable the best to lead, the rest to follow and to instill a sense of national virtue.

Moody, I wouldn't call your program national socialism, because its not national, its racial. Futhermore, its Imperial - you propose a union of all white Europeans in a Greater Europa with a centralized political authority - a strong State. You propose to socialize (i.e., bring under Government control) business cartels, profit sharing, etc., this is effectively socialism, not the corporatism of the Fascists or NS Germany. Imperial National Socialism seems a better word for it. You intend on taking the politics of nationalism and subordinating them to the Empire, right? I do. So it seems to be a pan european Imperial Nationalism. The socialism is obvious. I don't have anything against socialism so long as I'm free to be who I am. And I don't mean listen to rap music, take speed or anything like that. I mean free from degeneracy. Homosexuals, leftists, liberalism, hideous divorce and suicide rates, growing unemployment and the increased browning of the first world. I'd like to be free to pursue a decent education and get a good job, house, family, but the world is coming apart and it seems I'm not going to be able to get that under the present system.

Moody
Saturday, March 15th, 2003, 04:24 PM
1.
The point is that Europe itself is a Nation.

Galton said that all nations have a MINIMUM of three differing ethnic/subracial groups within them. Therefore the constituting of Europe herself as a Nation is just an expansion of the National Idea.

2.
Within a political programme, the statement "all Europeans are equal" is not a philosophical statement. It suggests that all Europeans are to be treated equally according to the law, and are to have equal access to the law. It also implies that non-Europeans/aliens will NOT get this equal treatment/access.

Of course, rights must always be balanced by duties; those who abrogate their duties towards the Nation will suffer an erosion of rights. By the same token, those who perform above and beyond the call of duty deserve privileges.

Ederico
Saturday, March 15th, 2003, 07:19 PM
Originally posted by Moody Lawless
To balance Trevor's Negativism, I shall give a brief outline of the 25 Points of National Socialism.

I have adapted them to a pan-European position; this is based on the Third Reich's own direction during the war, as it sought to both create and to protect a pan-European Reich.

25 Points

I will comment on each point one by one.


1: Union of all White Europeans in a Great Europa.
I agree with this concept. How is this Union formed, is it a Federation or Confederation of Nation-States, or does it have another structure?


2: European independence in dealing with other Nations.
Does this mean Independence for the whole of Europe from non-European pressure, or does this mean Indipendence in Foreign Affairs for all European Nation-States?


3: Colonies required for superfluous population.
Colonies where? This will create war and we need the manpower for such an effort which is quite limited and effeminated at the current stage, I would much suggest an increase in White European birth-rates first to strengthem ourselves in quantitative terms.


4: White European Blood qualifies for European Nationality.

I agree perfectly, is this concept flexible or is it rigids, is their like a sort of amount of White blood that qualifies you as a White European like what happened in the Third Reich?


5: Non-Europeans have guest status in Europa.
I agree perfectly, but I also believe that the quantity of these guests should be limited to less than 5% dispersed throughout the whole of Europe and the Guests should have required skills for our Economy.


6: Only Europeans allowed to vote.
Definitely, though I would remove voting rights from certain individuals and especially put a certain value to the voting process by excluding certain individuals. In other words, being of European blood does not necessarily qualify you for voting.


7: Preference given to Europeans to the exclusion of foreigners.
I definitely agree.


8: Non-Aryan immigration into Europa forbidden.
Future immigration forbidden and past immigration reversed through deportation.


9: All European citizens are equal.
I believe in Meritocracy, Technocracy, and Elitism, all men are unequal, but if this refers to legality I agree.


10:All Europeans must work for the good of the state.
Rather, all Europeans must not work against the State, Subversion and Treason are highly serious crimes.


11:Abolition of incomes unearned by work.
Examples of such activities, please.


12:Confiscation of war gains.
What does this refer to?


13:Nationalisation of business cartels.
Nationalisation wherever possible, I agree with this. What type of Businesses would be Nationalised?


14:Profits from whole-sale trade to be shared out.
How is this done?


15:Extensive provision for old-age.
I agree perfectly.


16: Preference given to small-traders.
Definitely.


17:Prevention of speculation on land.
I agree.


18: Death-Penalty for anti-European usurers, profiteers etc.,
Give examples of such cases.


19:Nationalist Law to replace Internationalist Law.
Example of both types of Law. please.


20:A White Nationalist Education.
Definitely! This is a must, our Youth and the whole Population must be trained and guided towards the love of their Race!


21:Emphasis on sport for youth.
I agree.


22:Military National Service.
I agree.


23:A White Nationalist Media.
The State should have its Media Channels, otherwise the Media should be as free as possible, but non-existant for Anti-Racialist and Subversive Factions.


24: Religious Freedom for all Pro-White Religions.
I have my doubts about this, the State should define Pro-White Religions.


25: A strong, centralised State.
I agree, but De-Centralisation on certain Administrative duties could be beneficial.


This is just a rough break-down of the 25 Points on my part; others may be able to refine them, update them etc.,

This is what we may call the 'National Socialist Minimum' for the Age.

Heil Hitler
We should discuss them.

Moody
Monday, March 17th, 2003, 04:47 PM
Bear in mind that these points were simplified and adapted by me from the original NSDAP to demonstrate the viability of National Socialism today as a general framework.

However, I agree that the bare-boned Points can promote discussion.

To take the points one by one per post to avoid ennui;

Point One: Union of all White Europeans in a Great Europa.

Federalism is a heavily loaded term, and means slightly different things to different people.
Instead of that, I will suggest Regionalism within the umbrella of a Great Europa.

Regionalism makes a good compromise between those who see the future in a European Imperium, and those whose tendencies are towards subracial separatism.

I propose that the present Nation States within Europa are largely redundant as regards a Great Europa.
Once again, the old regions must reassert their ethnic/cultural identity.

This is the Europe of a Hundred Flags; no longer will there be the problem of disparity between say a large State like France, and a small country like Malta.
The regions [e.g., like Normandy in France] will be revitalised, and Europa will once again be a patchwork of similarly sized regions which nonetheless look to a common interest under the umbrella of Great Europa.

This makes the future one of re-discovery, where vanishing European cultures are rescued and long running problems [such as the Basques] are solved.

Ederico
Wednesday, March 19th, 2003, 03:02 PM
Your post is highly encouraging, Regionalism is an interesting concept. We should go into further detail into your conception of a Greater Europa.

Moody
Wednesday, March 19th, 2003, 07:29 PM
"Nations may come and go, but the region remains".
[Michael Walker, The Scorpion #12]

The concept of 'The Europe of a Hundred Flags' (L'Europe aux cent drapeaux') was first put forward in 1968 by Yan Fouere.

Micheal Walker, editor of The Scorpion magazine took up the theme in the 1980s.
In issue #9 of The Scorpion, Fouere's book is reviewed.
The reviewer states that Fouere "seeks recognition for the hidden and forbidden nations submerged beneath the 'nation states' of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries".

When we look at things this way, we start to realise that our problems are deep-rooted WITHIN OUR OWN CIVILISATION, and not just the fault of out-siders etc.,

Fouere identifies "three 'Europes' " in his book;

1) The First Europe: That which emerges around 800 A.D.
This was "united by a common political structure and religious belief" - i.e., 'Christendom'.

We know the cost of that 'first Europe' - suppression of paganism and tribal autonomy.
The Renaissance and the Reformation led to;

2) The Second Europe: the 'modern age' which reached its peak in the 19th Century. Of this, Fouere says;
"Instead of Europe, there was only a geographical collection of European states".
WWII sounded the death knell of this 'second Europe';

3) The Third Europe - already in "gestation" today [i.e., it is a 'pro-ject'], and as such is able to be influenced by contemporary political action.

But what should this Third Europe be like?

Again, Fouere presents three categories; this time they are alternatives and possibilities rather than histories;

a) The Europe of the States,
b) The European Nation, and
c) The Europe of the Regions.

The first one, a), is what we have evolving today as the EU.
It is "dominated by capitalists and bureaucrats, and the jockeying for position between the old national rivalries".
Here, the same old European nation states are 'united' - this must be readily rejected; but what of the other two?

'La Nation Europe' of b) is, according to Fouere, a thinly-disguised attempt to create a "European Superpower".
In this concept, Europe itself would become a single mega-nation to rival USA, China, Russia etc.,
This "superstate would ... create an intellectual desert and destroy European civilisation by destroying the multiplicity of cultures which comprise it".

So it is to c) that we look, The Europe of the Regions, which recognises that there is "not one European nation but several".
Here we see the so-called 'nation states' being dissolved, and the people being returned to their smaller ethnically based regions under the umbrella of Europa.

Linking this to his historical analysis, Fouere says that;

"In order to avoid a continuation of the power politics of The Second Europe, the units comprising the Third Europe would have to be as balanced as possible in size".

Fouere thinks that regional populations of such 'units' should be within the range of one to eight million maximum.

So the three possibilities;
Euro States, Euro Nation, and Euro Regions confront us TODAY.
However, the Euro Region alternative will struggle as the New World Order project demands the Euro States blue-print.

Ederico
Wednesday, March 19th, 2003, 08:07 PM
You are always well prepared in each and every post Moody. To tell you the truth I was already considering this Regionalistic concept by myself after considering that a small population like Malta has its own State with a population of less than 400,000. I thought how come the modern Nation-States cannot be organised into less sizable groups with their own State to ease a Decentralisation of Power and give greater Autonomy while still serving a Centralised National Structure. What do you think?

Jack
Friday, March 21st, 2003, 10:22 AM
I'm in agreement with the Europe of a hundred flags. Political centralism and cultural decentralisation and self determination.

Moody
Monday, March 24th, 2003, 04:09 PM
I think then, that this idea of a Europe of Regions answers the question as to the relevancy to TODAY of the first of the 25 Points of the NSDAP.
National Socialism is certainly NOT negated here and now.

The second point, 'European independence in dealing with other nations' [Pt 2 of the NSDAP, adapted], implies an outlook commensurate with that of the Europe of 100 Flags.

This outlook could be described as a 'Monroe Doctrine' for Europe.

Jack
Sunday, April 13th, 2003, 03:00 PM
On education:

First, I think you need to make seperate types of schools - technical and academic. I, personally, do not play sport and I have no intention to - I've done martial arts from a young age and I'm fit, but "sport" I regard as "bread and circus'", as the Romans considered popular entertainment. I am rather a man (or youth?) of the mind and I think it would be an excellent thing if school became more specialised rather than generalised. You need brains as well as muscle and skill. The liberal education structure gives everyone a bit of everything and no real choice to specialise, with the view "everyone can become anything". True, some people are more built towards technical skills but some are built for brain work - not science, but philosophy, literature, psychology, politics etc., the human sciences as well as the physical sciences. I think if our education structure was reformed, the effects could be amazing. In Victoria, the state where I live, the state government melded technical schools and high schools into the same thing, the results are pathetic.

Its all well and good saying "we need more sport" but some people just aren't made for it. I'm fit and strong but I hate sport. I work with my mind. You need to leave that option - no, develop it - as well, not just turn education for building a working class to support the system.

Prince Eugen
Wednesday, April 23rd, 2003, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by Moody Lawless
To balance Trevor's Negativism, I shall give a brief outline of the 25 Points of National Socialism.

I have adapted them to a pan-European position; this is based on the Third Reich's own direction during the war, as it sought to both create and to protect a pan-European Reich.

25 Points

1: Union of all White Europeans in a Great Europa.

2: European independence in dealing with other Nations.

3: Colonies required for superfluous population.

4: White European Blood qualifies for European Nationality.

5: Non-Europeans have guest status in Europa.

6: Only Europeans allowed to vote.

7: Preference given to Europeans to the exclusion of foreigners.

8: Non-Aryan immigration into Europa forbidden.

9: All European citizens are equal.

10:All Europeans must work for the good of the state.

11:Abolition of incomes unearned by work.

12:Confiscation of war gains.

13:Nationalisation of business cartels.

14:Profits from whole-sale trade to be shared out.

15:Extensive provision for old-age.

16: Preference given to small-traders.

17:Prevention of speculation on land.

18:Death-Penalty for anti-European usurers, profiteers etc.,

19:Nationalist Law to replace Internationalist Law.

20:A White Nationalist Education.

21:Emphasis on sport for youth.

22:Military National Service.

23:A White Nationalist Media.

24: Religious Freedom for all Pro-White Religions.

25: A strong, centralised State.


This is just a rough break-down of the 25 Points on my part; others may be able to refine them, update them etc.,

This is what we may call the 'National Socialist Minimum' for the Age.

Heil Hitler
National Socialism is alive . Hitler for thousand years .Sieg Heil!!!!