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Hellstar
Wednesday, July 10th, 2002, 04:45 AM
I want to share an Essay by Varg Qisling Búri Larssøn Vikernes
with you all,


Negative, destructive, anti-development, unrealistic and Utopian: I have heard it all. Yes I am negative to the modern civilisation, yes I applaud the destruction of the modern civilisation, yes I seek the end of the "development" of this modern civilisation, yes I know it is unrealistic to believe in a New World and yes I know that what we want to replace the old with can seem Utopian to most people.

I have to be negative to a "civilisation" which rapes Mother Earth and murders our human races, which tortures animals and destroys everything that is good, pure, natural, healthy and clean. To even think about developing this sick, degenerate, anti-nature, Judeo-Christian, Capitalist pig "civilisation" is out of the question. It has to go, it has to be levelled to the ground so that we can build something new.

There are perhaps not many people in our world who see things like this, making all of this very unrealistic. However, I do not talk about destroying every building in the modern world, levelling every city to the ground or about executing everybody who has ever co-operated with the modern world order. I do talk about physical destruction and removing the worst traitors, but what we really try to do is to level the ethical system to the ground. What we seek is a total destruction of the moral codes and the mentality of the modern "civilisation", and that is of those who are not in accordance with our moral codes and our mentality.

It would be unrealistic if we tried to enlighten masses simultaneously, but we don't. It might look like we do, but in fact we don't. Why would I waste any time on a generation that is utterly brainwashed by this rotten Capitalist pig-society, when I can concentrate on the coming generations; still open-minded and willing to think for themselves - unlike our parents and their parents? The youth and the coming generations are not weak, like we are told by our parents. As an answer to why we try to enlighten youth and only youth they say "your message is so weak only weak people will accept it". Forgotten is their own baptism of infants - as if infants are any "stronger" than youth. I wonder how they even dare accuse us of trying to manipulate defenceless and weak people when they start their brainwashing of the citizens before they even have a name!

It is not unrealistic that we might succeed in enlightening a vast amount of youth. When they grown up and take the places of their parents the situation will be very different from now, and then the revolution is not all that unrealistic after all. Spiritual revolution, cultural revolution, technological revolution, scientific revolution, racial revolution, environmental revolution, intellectual revolution, religious revolution; in short, revolution!

Finally I will discuss the last complaint against our "Utopian" world order. At one side we want to more or less return to the life-style of the Middle-Ages, and on the other side we want to colonise the universe. So how on Earth can you combine these goals? Utopian, isn't it?

In fact it is not. Naturally not all of us can live like we did in the Middle-Ages, nor shall we all colonise the universe. If you think about it the amount of electricity needed to keep scientific research centers and some factories going is not that much. In mountainous regions, like in Norway, this power can be taken from rivers - like we already do today. Minimum pollution, maximum effect. We do not need power plants all over Europe, because we do not need electricity all over Europe. We only need it for some research centers and factories. Not for factories producing clothes, boots, fishing and hunting equipment or the like; that is all done by local craftsmen. Nor do we need factories producing cars, tractors and aeroplanes by the thousands. People can talk, ride horses, ride bikes or carts. Ordinary people do not need anything else. The masses need to live in harmony with nature, or else we will all perish - destroy our planet.

Only technology needed for science is necessary - and in fact tolerable. Only the elite of our tribes shall be allowed to work with this technology. The rest shall live like they did in the "primitive" past. The few factories and mines, research centers and power plants, are necessary, and they do not produce more pollution than we have to tolerate.

Why do we need this technology? Why do we not just all live 100% in harmony with nature? The reason is simply because at a certain point we will need to leave our planet, in search of another one - because of lack of natural resources and most important the dying sun. Besides, we have a mission in life, as a species, and to complete this mission we need technology.

Our Utopia can best be described as a Fantasy world, where the elite live like elves far away from the others with their "magic" (technology), while the rest live like they did in the Middle-Ages, only with cloaks and some other (mostly natural) sciences. In fact our Utopia is not only a dream of the future, but a memory from the past! Writers like Tolkien actually never "made up" anything, they just wrote stories based on memories from the past (memories from the blood)! Not necessarily from our world, our planet, but from the last planet we lived on (in the system of Sirius), when we were Gods.

In this Utopia several new races will be bred, from Dwarves (for mining) to dragons and trolls (to keep the ordinary man in awe for nature and to keep him away from the elves' technological facilities in the forests and mountains). Whenever heroes or heroines from the ordinary human society show proof of extraordinary courage and intellect their children will be kidnapped and raised amongst the "elves", so that the elite of humankind can be concentrated and breed in a few places. With time the "elves" will return to the stars, build their facilities on the Moon and other beings in space, where they do not pollute the planet Earth. From there they will control the masses like Gods, prevent humans from destroying nature, from losing their respect for nature, etc.

This is our future civilisation and I hope it will not sound too "far out" to You. Cruelty and war, famine and plague will not cease to exist, but if You think about it You can agree that this is not something negative. We need all of this to survive, to improve ourselves (our genetic material) and to find out who are the best amongst us, in moral strength and courage - and in blood!


Important: Varg would like to make clear that these are entirely his own theories, and have nothing to do with the AHF (Heathen Front) or any related political organisation

cosmocreator
Wednesday, July 10th, 2002, 10:57 AM
Zhe first part of that Essay I can follow. the rest seems a bit.... "strange". Breeding Dwarfes and Dragons......... oh please!

A Revolution which takes things away from ppl. can not prevaile. Instead of taking cars away from the masses, OUR scientists should free themselves of the plutocratic influance and develope a technology that is friendly to the enviorment. (which is possible).

I sure wouldnt like if someone came along and took away my computer, car, coffee-machine, microwave, CD-Player and TV and replaced it with a weaving machine so I can start weaving my own clothes.

Technic in itself is neither good or bad. Its the people who handle it, which decide in which direction it should go.

Cheerio

Hellstar
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 01:46 AM
that is why his talking about elitisms, only a few worthy candidates should flirt around with fatal evolutionary technology accomplishments and creations from The primate race,

his talk about dwarfs and ect.....is metaphorical, He maybe read to much Tolkien, I agree. but nevertheless his philosophical setting, I can total embrace...he thinks like a true Nordic. fed up with this artificial world, thus yearning for the past.

THE PAST IS ALIVE

Ederico
Thursday, July 11th, 2002, 12:36 PM
I found that essay fascinating. I like the idea of allowing the Elite, whom he calls Elves, to control Scientific Research Centers and monitor the Technological Advancement of mankind. I believe in a system of Meritocracy where the Elite are allowed greater benefits, but also more duties, based on their personal advancements.

Although I fing the idea of the non-Elite to live in a sort of unelectrical age, whom he refers to as Middle Ages, I find it unacceptable to remove the Electricity which is nowadays an essential utility to all from the non-Elite. What should be done would be to rely on Environmentally-friendly power-generationg plants and a greater sense of Environmentalism in the Nations of the world, the creation of non-polluting production methods, the reliance on efficient and environmentally-friendly public transport systems instead of private transport which is out of the use of fossil fuels polluting, plus also a greater level of enforcement, legislation, and punishment of polluting individuals and organisations.

What does Varg mean by kidnapping the children of ordinary men by the elite to raise them amongst the elite? Does he actually mean the forced taking of gifted children from their parents? If he does I absolutely disagree with that. On the other hand schools for exceptionally-gifted children should be segregated depending on individual intelligence, that is, the gifted should be allowed to develop their gift in appropriate institutions.

Does Varg envisage some sort of Eugenics and/or Genomics program?

Varg mentions that we lived in Sirius and that we were Gods, what is he referring to, is that some Norse Myth?

Hellstar
Saturday, July 13th, 2002, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by Nazzjonalista
I found that essay fascinating. I like the idea of allowing the Elite, whom he calls Elves, to control Scientific Research Centers and monitor the Technological Advancement of mankind. I believe in a system of Meritocracy where the Elite are allowed greater benefits, but also more duties, based on their personal advancements.

I dont know if he calls the elite elves but? yea you got the meritocracy point alright:)

I also believe in meritocracy. Its the only way to create a better world, but we still need to be selective, even among the elite,

For example is it admirable of Einstein (considered to be among elite) to help creating the Nuclear bomb? No I dont fucking think so.


Although I fing the idea of the non-Elite to live in a sort of unelectrical age, whom he refers to as Middle Ages, I find it unacceptable to remove the Electricity which is nowadays an essential utility to all from the non-Elite. What should be done would be to rely on Environmentally-friendly power-generationg plants and a greater sense of Environmentalism in the Nations of the world, the creation of non-polluting production methods, the reliance on efficient and environmentally-friendly public transport systems instead of private transport which is out of the use of fossil fuels polluting, plus also a greater level of enforcement, legislation, and punishment of polluting individuals and organisations.
I dont agree at all, you are spoiled, grow up, maybe Wehr agrees with you, you all live in to much modernism. Im made of flesh and bone, I dont know about you?, im not a fucking machine im a creature on two legs, consisting of oppositional elements.

but as evolution and technology is hard to make stagnant, then I suggest elitism as dominating way of restricting useless amoral technology anarchy.


What does Varg mean by kidnapping the children of ordinary men by the elite to raise them amongst the elite? Does he actually mean the forced taking of gifted children from their parents? If he does I absolutely disagree with that. On the other hand schools for exceptionally-gifted children should be segregated depending on individual intelligence, that is, the gifted should be allowed to develop their gift in appropriate institutions.
Hmm this sounds like gibberish, Want his address in jail? so you can write him?

Im not Varg I dont know any thought, which stroke his mind, alot of times his speaking metaphorical as well,

about the school system, I dont like it, a child get good manners. by living among both weak and strong to know their own place. a child put in a special school, well what can I say, the thought dont appeal to me, maybe its because I remember those nerds from childhood it happened too.


Does Varg envisage some sort of Eugenics and/or Genomics program?
I only read a pretty shallow program he made for blue eyes when he was around 23 years old.

I think he approach this whole Racial scenery more open,
like Norway for Norwegians and Holland for Dutch people and Iran for Iranian people and Africa for African people. but who knows? I got all his books, maybe he write a new one soon surprising me.


Varg mentions that we lived in Sirius and that we were Gods, what is he referring to, is that some Norse Myth?
Yes that's some kind of transcendental mythical theme, im trying to get alittle wiser on my self.

Ederico
Saturday, July 13th, 2002, 09:22 AM
@HELLSTAR

What I actually meant by putting individuals who excel in different schools, would happen at around 16 years of age, when they will soon be specialising on the activity they shall carry out in their life. I agree with you that if a student is with weak and strong individuals prior to around 16 years of age to develop their character and find their space. Although I still believe that the elite students should attend appropriate schools for the elite, which will become future leaders in society in various fields.

Also about me being spoiled, I agree, but I also say that nearly everyone are spoiled as to what you believe spoiled is, the return to a non-electrical, non-scientific age is a revolution that most would find hard to accept willingly, although personally I would prefer a more natural way of life myself, even though I am spoiled, lol, like many.

About your Einstein example, I find it immoral for a person considered to be among the elite to work for such "advancements" which until proven otherwise are of detriment to humanity.

Rahul
Saturday, July 13th, 2002, 04:29 PM
Although its hard to accept that he justifies the elite holding the technology.

Technology should be made out of bounds for all kinds of people. Technology has always allowed easier movement of perverse orientations and it has no doubt, fiddled grossly with the nature. I am of the opinion myself that its killed lives and raped our mother earth, and destroyed our rivers by polluting them with 'industrial filth'. And it has provided basis for the explosion of populations, through all the advancements in "health sciences and medicine".

I have a great disdain for technology, and I know that only nature alone will help us in finding a way to redeem our greatness.

Will continue.....

Ederico
Saturday, July 13th, 2002, 05:17 PM
@Rahul

I agree on the ills of technology, what I do not agree with is your pessimistic views in it. Unfortunately the main fault of technology is not its invention and development, but for what and whom it is invented, how it is used. That is, technology is not an evil be itself, it is turned to damaging uses by man. That is why believe that legislation and public information should be what monitors technological use to insure it is environmentally-friendly. Also perhaps the control of scientific research should be all or in the huge majority in the hands of the State (which should have the interests and safeguarding of the environment in mind).

I believe that the main damages of the environment have been done in the process of Industrialisation. A greater sense of Environmental Awareness is growing but still has to grow more in my opinion. The respect to mother Earth is essential, and I agree with your thoughts in principle. I consider myself an environmentalist or environmental-lover myself.

Hellstar
Saturday, July 13th, 2002, 06:57 PM
About technology for the elite, well he only said "that" to make sure only incompetent people handle the technology process,
the main question would rather be: HOW DO WE DEFINE ELITE?

and I total embrace your post, almost brings tears to my eyes,
its excellent, you see the true human beneath all the artificial filth.

Ederico
Monday, July 15th, 2002, 08:09 PM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR

the main question would rather be: HOW DO WE DEFINE ELITE?

How is the Elite defined? That is a good question. Definitely the Elite must be defined by both mental and physical ability in my opinion, the differentiation between Elite and non-Elite should happen at around 16 years of age after finishing the obligatory level of education. Definitely the Elite must include a few people so that the available resources to train them are efficient. Perhaps special curricula involving aspects related to what the State perceives as to whom is to be the Elite of the Nation and who not should be made. Such curricula should include Physical Education, Statal Organisation and Functioning, and various subjects which should be included in obligatory education. Those who excel in these subjects would be transferred to special schools where the students select those subjects they want to specialise in such as Science, Philosophy, Economics, etc.

Hellstar
Monday, July 15th, 2002, 08:45 PM
Well how the elite should be defined I will get back to, after more consideration,

I think that I agree with the physical and psychological aspect defiantly,

it just seems so systemized your age barrier, I mean cant we look at it like this, either you are or not.

you seem to endorse totalitarian state control, I rather want to evoke the internal spirit hidden in catacombs deep within.

I want to revivify the folkly spirit. start a genetic ( both mental and psychical ) chain reaction and start modifying these obliterating walleyes we dwell in.

PS. I dont know which curriculum, you are referring too, a specific doctrine in mind?

Ederico
Monday, July 15th, 2002, 09:25 PM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR
Well how the elite should be defined I will get back to, after more consideration,

I too have to still consider how to define the Elite.



I think that I agree with the physical and psychological aspect defiantly,

Perhaps with a greater knowledge of genetics, the Elite could also be identified genetically, but you know more than me on this subject for sure.



it just seems so systemized your age barrier, I mean cant we look at it like this, either you are or not.


You definitely need to employ some sort of system. A specific age is used in order to define when the selection between Elite and non-Elite takes place, when there is a need to differentiate students for the sake of creating the Elite of society through education and instruction.

You wrote "either you are or not". How can someone recognize who is the Elite or not? Can genetics be employed instead or together with intellect and physique to determine who is part of the Elite?


you seem to endorse totalitarian state control, I rather want to evoke the internal spirit hidden in catacombs deep within.


Please explain more in detail what you mean by this, it sounds interesting.

I definitely endorse the state to take an active part in most or all aspects of the citizen's life to give direction to citizen's. The State must be the "National Organisation", it must act as the director of the nation, and since in Private Organisations directors control the activities of the Organisation, the same must the State act in regards to the Nation. This does not mean that the State is oppressive, as "Totalitarian State Control" might suggest. The State must not be oppressive of good citizens, it must persecute legally criminals and moral degenerates, as such individuals should not have a right to liberty in any nation, since they are of detriment to any national communtity.



I want to revivify the folkly spirit. start a genetic ( both mental and psychical ) chain reaction and start modifying these obliterating walleyes we dwell in.


How is a genetic chain reaction started?



PS. I dont know which curriculum, you are referring too, a specific doctrine in mind?

I believe that curriculums should be set that prepare the individual to become a good citizen for his nation, as such education should include Statal Organisation and Functioning, National Culture, Language, and other subjects that might serve the individual to appreciate his being as a National. This should be at least the aim of the Curriculum of the obligatory level of Education. After the obligatory level the students who excel, the Elite, should be granted access to schools which allow them to develop themselves into the Elite of humanity and to specialise into those fields they find appropriate to specialise in, the State should offer guidance to students in selecting their specialisation.

Hellstar
Monday, July 15th, 2002, 11:15 PM
Perhaps with a greater knowledge of genetics, the Elite could also be identified genetically, but you know more than me on this subject for sure.

Of course they should, it's a part of my whole elitism concept.

You definitely need to employ some sort of system. A specific age is used in order to define when the selection between Elite and non-Elite takes place, when there is a need to differentiate students for the sake of creating the Elite of society through education and instruction.

You seem to lock things up in small boxes to better recaptures its horizon.

I really think that you should see living things as more changing than this age and ECT……. barriers you attempt to put up!


You wrote "either you are or not". How can someone recognize who is the Elite or not? Can genetics be employed instead or together with intellect and physique to determine who is part of the Elite?

Ever heard of constant growth?

You mean if genes can be differentiated from psychic and physic while being taken into assessment?

No they cannot, both are symbiotic to genes, so my answer is 100% NO.


Please explain more in detail what you mean by this, it sounds interesting.

My point was that, while you try to organize a totalitarian state, I try to influence people through basic chain reaction, face-to-face, course that is most natural.

I want people to wake up them self from their sleep and gaze on the Aryan dawn and await the new Aryan day, and the future, I don’t want people to be guided by an impersonal state or demagogic figure, I want people to feel the pride I do for my people, I want others to let it come to them, and not by dictatorship, but by common sense from their surroundings. Such as some of us!


I definitely endorse the state to take an active part in most or all aspects of the citizen's life to give direction to citizens. The State must be the "National Organisation", it must act as the director of the nation, and since in Private Organisations directors control the activities of the Organisation, the same must the State act in regards to the Nation. This does not mean that the State is oppressive, as "Totalitarian State Control" might suggest. The State must not be oppressive of good citizens, it must persecute legally criminals and moral degenerates, and as such individuals should not have a right to liberty in any nation, since they are of detriment to any national community.

I total disagree, you think you secure our race by taking such precautions, but in fact you jeopardize our whole culture and further existence by endorsing such measurements, want more evidence than my Nordic intuition, then look around you, look back, look for reasons. Try realizing what im telling you.

How is a genetic chain reaction started?

As I said above, a chain reaction can be started by face-to-face value and influence,

I believe that curriculums should be set that prepare the individual to become a good citizen for his nation, as such education should include Statal Organisation and Functioning, National Culture, Language, and other subjects that might serve the individual to appreciate his being as a National. This should be at least the aim of the Curriculum of the obligatory level of Education. After the obligatory level the students who excel, the Elite, should be granted access to schools which allow them to develop themselves into the Elite of humanity and to specialise into those fields they find appropriate to specialise in,

Im just concerned who elite will be, and if elite might grow decaying and suppress new youthful hidden talents among the upcoming folk,

But who knows, maybe its for the best we are suppressed, I often think about what the ideal society constellation could be ( for expansion of great minds) and what kind of society indulge their folks consciousness or what feeds thee unwarily.


the State should offer guidance to students in selecting their specialisation.

I don’t agree at all, should somebody not knowing you, tell you what you are good at?

My motto is, do what your good at, continue that. There must be a reason why you are good at it,

If I have to run to the edge of the world, I be damned if I fall.