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Ginormous
Sunday, August 29th, 2004, 05:06 PM
Does anyone know of any political parties or organizations willing to advance this noble cause?

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Thursday, September 2nd, 2004, 10:00 PM
Does anyone know of any political parties or organizations willing to advance this noble cause?Face the facts; you owe your allegiance to America just as much as America owes it's allegiance to England. It is from the Dominion of New England that the inspiration for the name Dominion of Canada came from.

Verslingen
Friday, September 3rd, 2004, 05:59 AM
Ta hell with america and its cesspool of race mixers. I would be willing to support Canadian Nationalism. I love my heritage and am proud to protect it if It would need it. We need more right wingers to represent the true values of Canada

V.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, September 3rd, 2004, 06:16 AM
Why not send all the traitors to Mexico? This way, America and Canada will be reunited under British discretion once again so we can invite Australia and New Zealand. Besides, rag on America you might, yet it is you of three quite different ethnicities all wrapped in one bundle. I hardly call that homogenity.

JoeDas
Friday, September 3rd, 2004, 08:20 AM
Why not send all the traitors to Mexico? This way, America and Canada will be reunited under British discretion once again so we can invite Australia and New Zealand.What world are you living in?

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, September 3rd, 2004, 02:14 PM
I'm living in one that you are beiginning more and more to sound like a parasite of. You sound more and more like a nigger in every argument when you protest this.

Ginormous
Friday, September 3rd, 2004, 02:57 PM
I'm living in one that you are beiginning more and more to sound like a parasite of. You sound more and more like a nigger in every argument when you protest this.

I get the striking feeling that you are addicted to hallucinogens and Monty Python.

Verslingen
Saturday, September 4th, 2004, 06:46 AM
Jacobite you are an american trying to connect with your past give it up. Americans need to stay out of the Business of countries that care little for their brand of demcracy

v

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Saturday, September 4th, 2004, 08:49 AM
Jacobite you are an american trying to connect with your past give it up. Americans need to stay out of the Business of countries that care little for their brand of demcracy

vYou are clearly a flaming liberal of immigrant descent in concern for your own kind, without respect for my foundations with ancestors who helped found America and Canada. Take your attitude to the neo-con party, or better yet, take them with you out of North America.

JoeDas
Saturday, September 4th, 2004, 09:43 AM
You are clearly a flaming liberal of immigrant descent in concern for your own kind, without respect for my foundations with ancestors who helped found America and Canada.Jacobite, your ancestors were also immigrants.

Verslingen
Saturday, September 4th, 2004, 05:14 PM
Jacobite you are a dilusional child who needs to look beyond the blinders of American centric world. America has a strangle hold on the world with its "democracy". I may be a child of Foreigners in this my beloved Labrador but We have earned our place here unlike you. We work hard and toil with the sea we love and our families because that is what is important here. We care little for fast cars and more money. We live our lives and do our jobs for the betterment of Canada. Can you say this?

Verslingen

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Saturday, September 4th, 2004, 06:47 PM
Jacobite, your ancestors were also immigrants.Contributing to and strengthening the original English, nothing else. My mother's family was there at Plymouth and my father's mother's family was there at Hartford. Also in their side of the family was from the Eastern Townships of Quebec, who were repatriated to New England when they were Tories who left in the first place. Other family was at Jamestown, Virginia. That in no way makes me feeling like much of an immigrant. Britain has the two party system etc. just like America. Yorkshire families mostly went to Nova Scotia in the 1770s while they previously went to New York. The capital of Canada at one time was Toronto, formerly called York, as was York, Pennsylvania an early American capital. Since I'm in America, I'm correcting my locale to New York. I am hardly seen as an immigrant when none of my family ever needed to enter via Ellis Island. None of us went through any special screening because that was irrelevant, unlike your families.


Jacobite you are a dilusional child who needs to look beyond the blinders of American centric world. America has a strangle hold on the world with its "democracy". I may be a child of Foreigners in this my beloved Labrador but We have earned our place here unlike you. We work hard and toil with the sea we love and our families because that is what is important here. We care little for fast cars and more money. We live our lives and do our jobs for the betterment of Canada. Can you say this?Hahaha, like my family never worked for anything! Who do you think founded both America and Canada? Ignorant fools! Major big business in America was begun and carried on by the Dutch in New Netherland which became New York, not English! The fast cars are in Indiana, and I don't watch it either. I don't care what you think immigrant, go back to your precious Bavaria. The way I see it, you are merely the precursor to Latin Americans and Arabs coming in hordes to America. Just because I assert the rights of Anglo-Americans to restore our Monarchy, doesn't make me worse than you. It was especially foreign interest that prevented America from holding onto the Royalty. These usurpers were Dutch, German and French. They have always exploited us and it is the Dutch who gave us English the term "Yankee", when it is in fact the Dutch who are responsible for most corporations in America. It wasn't Massachusetts who fought Virginia; it was the Pennsylvania Germans fighting the Louisiana French and New York Dutch fighting Florida Spanish. You idiots need to stop smearing us all evil and responsible as I am Massachusetts-Virginia English you liberal fascists! Your immigrant types only serve to usurp and steal our hope by using us as pawns in your immigrant games to turn us against eachother in ignorance and open up the land to immigrant conquest-don't twist words with me, boy! America expanded in Manifest Destiny because of the immigrants. So, at least you may not belong in the Massachusetts-Virginia areas. The rest; perhaps it's a different story and we should divide both countries into separate areas, as Canada expanded only by the immigration likewise. Hardly should a Bavarian be in Labrador-although you'd do well in Manitoba or North Dakota.

Verslingen
Monday, September 6th, 2004, 07:28 AM
O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.


:platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon


Verslingen

Ginormous
Tuesday, September 7th, 2004, 02:41 PM
O Canada!


Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.



:platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon :platoon




VerslingenHere! Here!

*hold's tankard high*

I care not for how my ancestors arrived, as it is irrelevant to who I am, or how I feel.

All that matters to me is attempting to sway opinions of my fellow Canadians to realize that our roots matter little compared to our present, and how we choose to live and bring about the circumstance of our fate.

Once again, if I must, I will spend my whole life working to create a strong Nationalist presence in Canada. Right now, I am more so in the planning stages, as I am far too young to be running for MP seriously ;).

I see that with so little people in this land, we have so much beauty and resource. Truly I am lucky to be here.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Tuesday, September 7th, 2004, 07:21 PM
Oh yeah, the typical immigrant complements to their host country. You sound just like Jews usurping the country for their own purposes. You will not hijack the country for yourself, as that is not your decision to make, naturalised or not.

Vestmannr
Tuesday, September 7th, 2004, 07:51 PM
Canada is not dependent upon America for its existence. In fact, it predates both the South and New England. Anglo Canada with the foundation of Annapolis Royal by the Scots in 1605 (the first permanent English speaking colony in the Americas) - prior to Popham's colony or Jamestown, and of course the French colony of Quebec city the year after Jamestown.

Canada as a unified country of Nova Scotia, Quebec, and the two Canadas (Canada/Ontario and New Brunswick) does owe its origin to American aggression under Lincoln. The threat of invasion by Lincoln's forces forced Canada to form. Other than that, the settlement of United Empire Loyalists around St. Cat's and Niagara Falls in the only other 'American contribution' I can really thing of. Canada is its own country: has its own language, culture, heritage both distinct and independent of New England, just like the South. The preeminence of liberal Quebec, and the inability of other Canadians to let Quebec go (much like one who continues to hold a venomous viper while it still bites), is probably what is making Canada disappear under out-of-control immigration and the Multi-Kult (multiculturalism.) Toronto might as well be Hong Kong nowadays.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Tuesday, September 7th, 2004, 08:36 PM
One shouldn't forget Henry VII Tudor's Newfoundland.

Vestmannr
Tuesday, September 7th, 2004, 08:43 PM
One shouldn't forget Henry VII Tudor's Newfoundland.

It failed. Founded in 1582, but it did not survive but a few years: just like Roanoke island (which may have survived amongst the Lumbee of Robeson Co. NC.) Annapolis Royal, however, did and still exists as does James Island (Jamestown-Williamsburg).

Tore
Tuesday, September 7th, 2004, 09:18 PM
Canadian nationalism is a joke that any right-minded racialist (or individual for that matter) should immediately and permanently dissociate themselves from.

Although it may be news to some board members here, Canadian nationalism, at least, as far as the average Canadian is concerned, is primarily premised around the sport of hockey, and a belief in Canadian superiority within the sport of hockey. In spite of the fact that forming nationalistic feelings around such a concept in itself is absurd in its own right, the situation becomes further ridiculous when the glaring inconsistencies and contradictions become apparant. For example, Canadians disregard nationality in terms of NHL league play, instead cheering for "Canadian teams" (by geography that is) who operate in Canadian cities, even though such teams are no more likely to be comprised of a greater percentage of Canadian players (by nationality). However, when an international tournament is in place, the contrary is established as nationality takes precedent over whatever city (or country) participating players may in.

Of course, other principles are certainly inherent towards Canadian nationalism, particularly those which differentiate Canadians from other nationalities (namely multicuturalism, liberalism, and diversity). I needn't comment on the compatibility of such values with racialism.

It should also be noted that Canadians (particularly those endorsing Canadian nationalism) suffer from a severe affliction known as the "Outgroup homogeneity effect" or "Outgroup homogeneity bias," which essentially translates into viewing themselves (Canadians) as a highly varied group, all the while applying generic labels to other nationalities (namely Americans).
A typical approach is: " Canada is a multicultural nation composed of interesting people from various backgrounds who manage to set aside their difference to make this country what it is. Americans are all gun-touting rednecks who hate the world and enjoy going to war."

I'm tired of witnessing the formation of nationality around superficial concepts, as opposed to biological ones. I am not a Canadian. I am an individual of European descent who happens to be surrounded by deluded individuals who call themselves "Canadians," and view the 49th parrallel as a magical device that somehow distinguishes themselves from all else in the world.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Tuesday, September 7th, 2004, 09:52 PM
Tore has it right on every respect.

Verslingen
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 12:00 AM
Bah, Tore you are a bitter cynic


V

Vestmannr
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 12:28 AM
I suppose I'm not so sure how there can be a Canadian nationalism without devolving Canada into at least 5 states. I don't buy the Molson adverts that "I am Canadian" and the public service adverts that 'we don't assimilate in Canada'. There does need to be some sort of political resistance to bring down that idea.

Having said that, Quebec is pretty much a nation unto itself. It isn't France either, but Quebec. Same goes for Nova Scotia and Cape Breton Island... they are 'Celtic', but not Scottish or Irish ... they are their own nation now. The western provinces have their own culture, and are heavily Ukranian. Why have them dancing to the tune of Ottawa? Certain regions might be able to develop into nations, but not all of Canada I don't think - for the same reasons that people speaking of American 'nationhood' are misunderstanding the idea of 'nation' and 'nationalism'. I'm certainly against a 'Southern nationalism', as we're actually a confederation of some related and not so related 'nations'. Louisiana just is not the same as Texas or Georgia, and no reason to try to make them so... the principle applies elsewhere as well.

Babbage
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 01:33 AM
I'm tired of witnessing the formation of nationality around superficial concepts, as opposed to biological ones. I am not a Canadian. I am an individual of European descent who happens to be surrounded by deluded individuals who call themselves "Canadians," and view the 49th parrallel as a magical device that somehow distinguishes themselves from all else in the world.
The 49th paralell distinguishes loyal subjects from rebels... for that reason alone it must have some value, don't you think? I would favour a reestablished and unified North America in union with Britain, but so long as America remains hostile to the crown, I am happy to call myself a Canadian to stress this point of difference in history.

Also, I'm not convinced that the community ought to be idealised in purely biological terms. Of course, the community should be more or less biologically homogenous, but there is a metaphysical element which does not seem satisfied when biology is given the prime focus. I am very much open to an explanation, if you'd like to detail your position.

Vestmannr
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 02:13 AM
The 49th paralell distinguishes loyal subjects from rebels...

Eh, only to a point. The United Empire Loyalists from northern States made it over to St. Cat's (some of my ancestors), but Loyalists in the Southern states often had nowhere to go. Some of the wealthier folk could catch a ship to the islands, back to Britain, or up to Canada ... maybe. More often than not they simply had to move to a 'safe' area (usually an area with a high Scottish Highlander population, as the Scots in the South were almost entirely Loyalist), or move out into the backcountry. In fact, the movement west into the 'Old Southwest' and Appalachia had heavy Loyalist representation. There were so many that 'Scots' was a byword for 'Loyalist' up until the War of Northern Aggression, and rumors of the King's Agents lasted in the backcountry out into Texas *long* after the War of 1812.

But, you are right: it should count for something.

Tore
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 02:53 AM
The 49th paralell distinguishes loyal subjects from rebels...

Perhaps two centuries ago...


for that reason alone it must have some value, don't you think?

The 49th parallel does have value, and that value is political in that it geographically defines two sovereign nations.

The 49th parallel does not, however, serve to dismantle the overt heterogeneity which runs rampant in either nation.

Canadians and Americans are only marginally more similar to their fellow countrymen than they are to those living across the border.


I would favour a reestablished and unified North America in union with Britain, but so long as America remains hostile to the crown, I am happy to call myself a Canadian to stress this point of difference in history.

Fair enough, although I must ask, are you content with the current Canadian political climate (aside from the obvious growing Canadian autonomy and independence from Britain, which is, in your mind, a serious issue)?

JoeDas
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 03:06 AM
I would favor a reestablished and unified North America in union with Britain, but so long as America remains hostile to the crown, I am happy to call myself a Canadian to stress this point of difference in history. Only 10% of Americans (give or take) are of English descent, and there are vast areas of the country in which the English are a small or even a negligible ethnic group. So your proposal really doesn't make sense

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 04:53 AM
Only 10% of Americans (give or take) are of English descent, and there are vast areas of the country in which the English are a small or even a negligible ethnic group. So your proposal really doesn't make senseNevertheless, if that is your feeling, you might as well move to Svalbard.

JoeDas
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 05:32 AM
Nevertheless, if that is your feeling, you might as well move to Svalbard.What does that mean?

America hasn't had anything to do with the British crown for the past 225 years. Only 10% of the American population is English (there are more Black people in America than English people). Those are two good reasons why it is foolish to flirt with the ideas you guys are tossing out here. You're only response: "Move to Svalbard." Hmm...

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 05:49 AM
So...Is there something wrong with Svalbard or Jan Mayen? If you are Norwegian, you could contest the Icelanders and even Faroese for some room.

Verslingen
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 12:45 PM
Shh Jacobite you are rambling about nonsense again. Why is an American speaking about Canadian Nationalism anyway? I better hold my tongue before the American Assualts me for being second Generation Labradorian and Third Bavarian and Irish-Icelandic.heh
:hitler <-----Was he from Germany? No but he had Germanic Pride and a sense of Loyalty to the country he had fought for.

Babbage
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 02:04 PM
Perhaps two centuries ago...
Have those events not resonated? I think they have, even if their effects are being diminished today, they still form much of the basis for our historical experience - for those who still have any attachment.


Fair enough, although I must ask, are you content with the current Canadian political climate (aside from the obvious growing Canadian autonomy and independence from Britain, which is, in your mind, a serious issue)?
Certainly not. I see almost nothing of value even in the politically incorrect "far-right" of the country. My (realistic) hopes are toward the prospect of a racialist (holisticist, organicist, whatever) takeover of the federal Green Party, through deep green activism and by entering racial health into the "environmentalism" fold.

At any rate, I am hardly satisfied with public policy regarding Britain, and I see the situation only worsening under the growing trend of American Republicanism in this country, perpetuated by those boot-lickers who have constantly endure an inferiority complex in which they stress about being "American Junior", and despair over things as inconsequential as our comparitive "liberalism" and "socialism", whilst disregarding more important aspects of history.

Babbage
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 02:11 PM
Only 10% of Americans (give or take) are of English descent, and there are vast areas of the country in which the English are a small or even a negligible ethnic group. So your proposal really doesn't make sense
I would expect a serious and concerted effort to reenvision the territory along British and non-British lines, but at any rate I support the claim of the Anglo-Celtic people to the whole of the Americas, except perhaps some of the central and western territories. The whole of the 13 colonies and the Pacific Northwest ought to be restored.

I think many European ethnicities are perfectly capable of assimilating into British culture, and would certainly be welcomed in the coming hard times.

Ginormous
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 02:15 PM
A strong National will is not dependant in any way on race. It is a combination of effort, perserverance, pride, and care for the land one is born to.

Of course I don't agree with the current state of Canada, I don't believe that Quebec should be forced to stay, well, until there is an actual solid majority that wants to leave. cs. Canada is a liberal democracy currently.

I could care less about the differences between the middle eastern family down the street, and my teutonic family. Those differences can be resolved at a different time, when the human race has expended all possible progress for society.

My belief in this country comes from the knowledge, and constant observations of POSSIBILITY. With such a small population, such vast space and precious resources, when all in Canada is put to work efficiently, and with outlook for the future, there is no limit to the success I believe we can see.

As I can tell you now, I am quite young, but I am already running for mayor of my local municipality in several years, as well as MP later on in life. This is a goal I will attempt, again and again if that must be so.

If there are any glaring facts which I am missing out on, which make Canadian Nationalism quite impossible, I have yet to see them.

I estimate I have another 60 years to change the world before I expire. I just wish everyone would stop bitching and argueing over such weak points as royalism, and some aspects of racialism. Throughout history there has been co-operation of races to achieve goals. bah...

I must go to school, please, if anyone has some interesting articles going against what I am saying, post them here. I am addicted to this stuff.

Babbage
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 02:35 PM
Why does Canada need to be a distinct nation? Why is it unsatisfactory to remain a functional dominion within the British realm?


I estimate I have another 60 years to change the world before I expire. I just wish everyone would stop bitching and argueing over such weak points as royalism, and some aspects of racialism. Throughout history there has been co-operation of races to achieve goals. bah...
What are the weak points you have in mind, of royalism and racialism?

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Wednesday, September 8th, 2004, 07:28 PM
Why does Canada need to be a distinct nation? Why is it unsatisfactory to remain a functional dominion within the British realm?

What are the weak points you have in mind, of royalism and racialism?Babbage, these imports do not understand WASP code and yoke. They spit on our foundations without which they would never have been to British North America. They are traitorous scum who are in no way concerned for the main reason for this website. They do not love their ethnicity and wish to hide it in the term "Canadian", when in fact they aren't the first settlers who formed the nation by basic principles. They are not original colonisers and do not hail the British Crown.

Tore
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 02:26 AM
Have those events not resonated? I think they have, even if their effects are being diminished today, they still form much of the basis for our historical experience - for those who still have any attachment.

Regardless, I don't believe the 49th parallel truly qualifies as an entity which "distinguishes loyal subjects from rebels," as neither Canadians nor Americans display a widespead loyalty to the British Empire.


Certainly not. I see almost nothing of value even in the politically incorrect "far-right" of the country. My (realistic) hopes are toward the prospect of a racialist (holisticist, organicist, whatever) takeover of the federal Green Party, through deep green activism and by entering racial health into the "environmentalism" fold.

Interesting.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 02:32 AM
Regardless, I don't believe the 49th parallel truly qualifies as an entity which "distinguishes loyal subjects from rebels," as neither Canadians nor Americans display a widespead loyalty to the British Empire.



Interesting.Tore has the realism while Babbage has the idealism. I must concede to the facts, yet I will never resign my outpost in the national colonies until England calls me home.

Ginormous
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 02:56 AM
Babbage, these imports do not understand WASP code and yoke. They spit on our foundations without which they would never have been to British North America. They are traitorous scum who are in no way concerned for the main reason for this website. They do not love their ethnicity and wish to hide it in the term "Canadian", when in fact they aren't the first settlers who formed the nation by basic principles. They are not original colonisers and do not hail the British Crown.
Traitorous scum? How so? I go to this website because I find many of the topics interesting, and I find I share similar values and ideals with the majority of posters here.

I believe moreso in the strength of humanity, than the strength of Race, which is very important. Ever


"when in fact they aren't the first settlers who formed the nation by basic principles."
When did you immigrate to your current location?

Royalism is useless to Canada if the Crown has nothing to do with modern Canadian life.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 03:44 AM
This is not really the website for you. I think perhaps the Phora might interest you even more.

Verslingen
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 05:37 AM
You really need to stop and watch as your lips quiver with the filth that spills forth like raw sewage. Jacobite you are a fool and need to let well enough alone. If anyone should not be in this forum it is you. Your nationalism lies with britain and the US. Let us we have a little faith in magna canada have our "day in the sun"

Verslingen

Babbage
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 05:39 AM
I believe moreso in the strength of humanity, than the strength of Race, which is very important. Ever
We don't believe in a "humanity", and certainly not as an entity which posesses any kind of identifyable strength. The strength found in race is an emotional bond. The pursuit of a community altruism on the "human" scale seems to me insane, while it has been proven time and time again that homo sapiens is not a functional unit, of any kind outside the zoological. Please detail for us, what strength do you see in humanity?


Royalism is useless to Canada if the Crown has nothing to do with modern Canadian life.
Bah. What is "modern" Canadian life, how has it changed in any acceptable manner from the pre-"modern"? The crown has much to do with the lives of myself and my family, as we have hailed it for centuries. We have no intention of abandoning it simply because a horde of disloyal foreigners feel it is of no consequence to their "modern Canadian lives".

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 05:47 AM
You really need to stop and watch as your lips quiver with the filth that spills forth like raw sewage. Jacobite you are a fool and need to let well enough alone. If anyone should not be in this forum it is you. Your nationalism lies with britain and the US. Let us we have a little faith in magna canada have our "day in the sun"

VerslingenYour faith is absolute assimilation. If I could have one symbol for the Commonwealth and America I would use it. As things stand, you are a foreign hostile attempting to coerce me to surrender my true Canadian heritage to be rewritten much as America has been dealt with. Curse you for all the hypocrisy in your accusations. Canada has a Queen and her name is Elisabeth! RULE BRITANNIA!

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 05:49 AM
We don't believe in a "humanity", and certainly not as an entity which posesses any kind of identifyable strength. The strength found in race is an emotional bond. The pursuit of a community altruism on the "human" scale seems to me insane, while it has been proven time and time again that homo sapiens is not a functional unit, of any kind outside the zoological. Please detail for us, what strength do you see in humanity?


Bah. What is "modern" Canadian life, how has it changed in any acceptable manner from the pre-"modern"? The crown has much to do with the lives of myself and my family, as we have hailed it for centuries. We have no intention of abandoning it simply because a horde of disloyal foreigners feel it is of no consequence to their "modern Canadian lives".Yes, they have proven their lack of faith in the code, so why should they be present as hostiles in British North America?

Babbage
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 06:04 AM
Babbage, these imports do not understand WASP code and yoke. They spit on our foundations without which they would never have been to British North America. They are traitorous scum who are in no way concerned for the main reason for this website. They do not love their ethnicity and wish to hide it in the term "Canadian", when in fact they aren't the first settlers who formed the nation by basic principles. They are not original colonisers and do not hail the British Crown.
Firmly agreed.


Regardless, I don't believe the 49th parallel truly qualifies as an entity which "distinguishes loyal subjects from rebels," as neither Canadians nor Americans display a widespead loyalty to the British Empire.
Well yes, you're right, it doesn't display a widespread loyalty at all. I didn't mean to suggest it did in the modern context, that's why in my latter post I said "for those who still have any attachment". I can understand that you would disregard the 49th in the context of mainstream Canadian nationalism.


Interesting.
It's an idea I've been toying with... I know there exist conservative elements within the Green Party right now (the leader is a former PC member, not that this is anything to be exited about in itself, but at least we know he isn't a watermelon), and it seems to me the combination of conservative values with green third positionism makes for a far a mindset quite malleable to our interests.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 06:15 AM
Firmly agreed.
Well yes, you're right, it doesn't display a widespread loyalty at all. I didn't mean to suggest it did in the modern context, that's why in my latter post I said "for those who still have any attachment". I can understand that you would disregard the 49th in the context of mainstream Canadian nationalism.What about abolishing the notion of separate nations and tie America to Britain through Canada?

Babbage
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 06:25 AM
In a heartbeat, we just have to convince the rebels...

Babbage
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 06:42 AM
This is not really the website for you. I think perhaps the Phora might interest you even more.
I moderate the Canuck's Lodge at the Phora actually, but I'm the only Empire loyalist around those parts afaik... :( It's pretty inactive anyway.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 06:58 AM
In a heartbeat, we just have to convince the rebels...I moderate the Canuck's Lodge at the Phora actually, but I'm the only Empire loyalist around those parts afaik... :( It's pretty inactive anyway.Yes, I am half Rebel(American Union-Confederate)...but my other and primary half is Loyalist(British Union-Canadian). This apparent problem in my life has harmed my psyche for far too long. My life has been stalled due to the arrangement. I refuse to extinguish my faith in the Crown despite my location.

Ginormous
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 02:24 PM
Yes, I am half Rebel(American Union-Confederate)...but my other and primary half is Loyalist(British Union-Canadian). This apparent problem in my life has harmed my psyche for far too long. My life has been stalled due to the arrangement. I refuse to extinguish my faith in the Crown despite my location.Race can give us strength, solidarity, integrity, honour, as well as holding common interests to a solid tangible goal.

Humanity is what causes us to realize that.
To be able to realize flaws, and push onward for excellence, regardless of race is within every person. Yes, some cultures are incapable of this, for many reasons though, not JUST their race. It is not quite that simple.

I'm not saying that you royalist canadians are wrong about anything. I just really can not support a royalty which my ancestry has no history of serving under.

Don't remember reading about too many Hessians living for crown & country in good ol' England.


Either way, it is irrelevant to the fact I am proud to be right here, right now, with all the privilege and opportunity in my reach.

If possible I'd invite you all over for a round table discussion with gourmet coffee and pastries. There is no need to get upset about such feelings. As we are all individuals coming from different backgrounds, with different wants/needs and different views on how to attain them. To think that I am going to change anybody's mind on here would be not very likely.

Nonetheless it is good to hear all of your opinions, please continue to discuss.

Babbage
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 03:05 PM
I'm not saying that you royalist canadians are wrong about anything. I just really can not support a royalty which my ancestry has no history of serving under.
Thank you for being upfront about it. It is simple treason, then.

JoeDas
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 03:55 PM
Thank you for being upfront about it. It is simple treason, then.I'd say you are the traitor for surrendering your nation's sovereignty to a foreign entity. That is the definition of treason! Jacobite is a much worse traitor since we Americans have had no ties whatsoever to the British crown for the past 225 years. And even when America was ruled of the British, Americans were predominantly anti-Royalist. Those people who were loyal to the British were considered the traitors, not vice versa.

Babbage
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 04:24 PM
I'd say you are the traitor for surrendering your nation's sovereignty to a foreign entity.
Canada has never been a sovereign nation, and I sincerely hope it never will be. Britain is not a foreign entity, we are very much a part of her. Whererever we, the people of the British Isles, choose to rest our feet shall be a part of Britain; there is no aspect of foreigness which enters into the situation simply because we rest accross the Atlantic.

Ginormous' family decided to become British subjects by choice upon immigrating here, and he has betrayed that trust. It's quite a simple matter.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Thursday, September 9th, 2004, 07:11 PM
Thank you for being upfront about it. It is simple treason, then.

Canada has never been a sovereign nation, and I sincerely hope it never will be. Britain is not a foreign entity, we are very much a part of her. Whererever we, the people of the British Isles, choose to rest our feet shall be a part of Britain; there is no aspect of foreigness which enters into the situation simply because we rest accross the Atlantic.

Ginormous' family decided to become British subjects by choice upon immigrating here, and he has betrayed that trust. It's quite a simple matter.Treason it is!

America's experiment was to return to Cromwell's Commonwealth Protectorate and it got out of control. It was only the Act of Settlement that got the American blood boiling, with many smaller aspects of the Hanoverian scheme just not helping. It is not like all the Jacobites in America could just come on back and fight the Hanovers to restore the true heir without proper financing, etc. America was very much a prototype Commonwealth Realm, just without Britain's Crown. It was intended to be fixed immediately, but foreign colonial powers interfered and America was lost in that respect. Bonnie Prince Charlie did not take America's throne because he felt it would not work out if he were to lord over a mere colony and not the true Throne, back in Britain. He knew it was not appropriate due to the fact that an American throne would never be accepted or recognised by any sovereign nation, including his own. Just think of it, a different Royal on all the colonial thrones, it just doesn't work that way. The Prince wanted to rule America from Britain, not vice versa and circumstances did not permit him the experience. Even his brother Prince Henry Benedict, who succeeded him as heir, refused to further involve himself in Throne-grabbing because it would mean trying to salvage the colonies and the Throne at the same time, when anarchy would erupt widespread to be taken advantage of by the other colonial powers. America then continued its colonial legacy by making the corporation a mainstay of American culture and they indulged in the profits themselves, just as they felt wronged by having to do the total opposite as mere servants in the old trade. They didn't like working without sufficient funds to stabilise their communities and often their lifestyles failed to take root in order to provide adequate service to the Crown. They had demanded their own Parliament in order to coordinate the affairs of the colonies, but it was rejected. Apparently, the Crown understood the reason why it was needed after the War and decided to go ahead with it in other colonies, such as Canada, Australia, New Zealand, etc. In no way did George Washington want to break with the Crown as he pleaded with the King to reconsider. George of Hanover-Brunswick failed to understand the Stuart prerogative and the American allegiance to that style of rule. He himself rejected the terms for peace and betrayed the British people by doing so. He himself was a Continental foreigner with foreign policies, so much so that you can see how the colony of Georgia, by his father, did not get readily settled.

Ginormous's issue, if I may be correct-he said Hessian, is that of mercenaries working for the Crown. Now, you just don't come into a colony without holding your allegiance to the person who paid you to fight against the colonists. Sure, your job may be done, but that doesn't mean that you forget your place and misspeak yourself generations later even. Surely, it was a tragedy that George used Germans to fight his British subjects, yet your position today mustn't be changed, to say the least. You are what you are and there is no way around it. Ignorance is not bliss, just face the facts.

Verslingen
Friday, September 10th, 2004, 04:28 AM
Your faith is absolute assimilation. If I could have one symbol for the Commonwealth and America I would use it. As things stand, you are a foreign hostile attempting to coerce me to surrender my true Canadian heritage to be rewritten much as America has been dealt with. Curse you and your mother too for all the hypocrisy in your accusations. Canada has a Queen and her name is Elisabeth! RULE BRITANNIA!

You swine you can assault me all you wish but I can not allow you to assualt my mother. My mother is Irish-Norman Canadian. My father was Bavarian and Icelandic. You need to watch yer step and yer mouth.
Verslingen
:wolf

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, September 10th, 2004, 04:48 AM
So...you are interested in making a Jewish perjorative out of me? That's okay, I like pigs and they are my favourite farm animals to eat.

Allenson
Friday, September 10th, 2004, 01:33 PM
Jacobite--please leave people's mothers out of the discussion, eh?

Thank you.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, September 10th, 2004, 07:33 PM
Sure, a wise choice. Sorry for the unfair jab Verslingen.

EDIT:LOL! >>>


Canadian Nationalism? (http://showthread.php?p=171415#post171415) Friday, September 10th, 2004 22:37 Nehaj (http://member.php?u=3820) Insulting one's mother is so nigger like; shame on you

Allenson
Friday, September 10th, 2004, 09:17 PM
Sure, a wise choice. Sorry for the unfair jab Verslingen.


Thanks. :) Otherwise, this has been an interesting discussion to read from my perspective.

I am part Canadian of heritage so I do have an interest in the subject. My maternal grandmother's family came from Ireland, to PEI (starting around 1830 or so) for about three generations and then on down to Boston by the turn of the century.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, September 10th, 2004, 11:21 PM
Thanks. :) Otherwise, this has been an interesting discussion to read from my perspective.

I am part Canadian of heritage so I do have an interest in the subject. My maternal grandmother's family came from Ireland, to PEI (starting around 1830 or so) for about three generations and then on down to Boston by the turn of the century.See, having the heritage like that is fine. Attacking the mother country who built our lands today just doesn't cut it. I have that very same Irish emigre too, dalonord. As I do also have some Hollander from New York, Deutschlander from Pennsylvania and the Normand Quebecois but it's not the focus. The British Throne may have incorporated New Netherlands, Australia and New Zealand along with King Billy, but it was a process of assimilation and not adoption. Much was the same with the King Georges who brought Hessians, Rheinlanders and other North Sea Germans to America, as instruments of Empire. The North Sea-Atlantic Rim is fine as far as genetics go, yet legitimate loyalties are what matter here. You must adhere to the union that brought us together, even if you make your own community. We can not afford various factions without common sense of purpose, and that purpose was given to all of us here by the upper classes who built the nation from scratch, whether it was won from other nations colonising or not. No matter my minor admixture to certain groups, I have chiefly WASP heritage, and we will see to it that things happen according to our plans. It is from London to Washington that sets the standard, which is how it will stay, or face the instability by rebelling against the basis for your own life.

Ginormous
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 02:09 PM
I do not remember the last time the Queen affected an aspect of Canadian life, political or otherwise.

There is no queen of Canada, we recognize ol' hag Elizabeth as a sort of archetypal mother of sorts. But hardly any of this country would fight for britain in any circumstance.

That is fact either way, the orientals, the natives, and all other immigrants don't care. People loyal to the crown ARE a minority. Simply I acknowledge that Canada was/is a colony. Now we are our own colony.

No hard feelings though, I detect you guys are getting pretty bent up about some of us who have pride in ourselves enough to forge our own path and only be subservient to our own will and honour.:)

Verslingen
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004, 02:18 PM
I do not know why still have ties to the cesspool of britian. I say to hell with the queen. I just think Canada needs to grow a pair and start taking her place as a majr world pwerEhh
Who knows
Verslingen

Dr. Solar Wolff
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 07:06 AM
Interesting thread! Now that Jacobite is gone, perhaps I can state my prejudice. Canada is perhaps the most beautiful country in the world. The people of Canada are fine. Yet, Canadian nationalism seems to center upon degrading other Canadians (English Canadians vs. French Canadians) and in the mutual dislike of both for their neighbor to the south. Oh yes, there is ice hockey. Other than those issues, I have never heard a Canadian speak passionately about his country. Tell me why I am wrong.

Verslingen
Saturday, September 18th, 2004, 03:47 PM
A farmer with a great vision
http://www.davidorchard.com/online/2do-index.html
How about this?
V.

Babbage
Tuesday, September 21st, 2004, 08:41 PM
I do not remember the last time the Queen affected an aspect of Canadian life, political or otherwise.
You can't be serious? Royal influence affects most everything in Canada, from politics (painfully obvious) to military tradition, to society at large. It is true what the conservative Republicans say, that we Canadians are much more obedient and loyal to our leaders than are Americans, a trait so incredibly valuable yet so easily taken advantage of, properly cultivated down the centuries. We (naturally, but not at large due to media influences) possess a healthy communitarian ethic which our Royal heritage has allowed.


There is no queen of Canada,
As I have previously stated, Canada is a dominion of the British realm, not a sovereign nation. Queen of Canada is part of her title, along with every other entity of the realm.


we recognize ol' hag Elizabeth
I will have to decide how such an obscenity ought to be punished. Nickel mining? Northern logging? Public service in Nunavut perhaps.


But hardly any of this country would fight for britain in any circumstance.
Are you sure about that? Have you ever served in the military?


That is fact either way, the orientals, the natives, and all other immigrants don't care.
Why is this relevant? We don't think it necessary to consider the feelings of these people, when it comes to the maintainance of our integral traditions. There can be no compromise, there.


People loyal to the crown ARE a minority.
Yes, I know, we hope to reverse that trend.


Simply I acknowledge that Canada was/is a colony. Now we are our own colony.
I don't understand what you mean. The colonists became themselves? As though they weren't themselves when they arrived?


No hard feelings though, I detect you guys are getting pretty bent up about some of us who have pride in ourselves enough to forge our own path and only be subservient to our own will and honour.:)
People like you are definitely an obstacle to the success of the British people. You would have us divided from our brothers, unable to lend proper support and contribute economically as we should.

I say again in simpler terms: if you do not believe in supporting the realm, you do not belong here.

Babbage
Tuesday, September 21st, 2004, 08:46 PM
I do not know why still have ties to the cesspool of britian. I say to hell with the queen. I just think Canada needs to grow a pair and start taking her place as a majr world pwerEhh
Who knows
Verslingen
"Grow a pair"? What does that have to do with the monarchy? If you wanted Canada to be a world power, you would feel comfortable within the British Empire - definitely a world power. But, alas, your agenda here is anti-British plain and simple, it is not about power.

Babbage
Tuesday, September 21st, 2004, 09:03 PM
Interesting thread! Now that Jacobite is gone, perhaps I can state my prejudice. Canada is perhaps the most beautiful country in the world. The people of Canada are fine. Yet, Canadian nationalism seems to center upon degrading other Canadians (English Canadians vs. French Canadians) and in the mutual dislike of both for their neighbor to the south. Oh yes, there is ice hockey. Other than those issues, I have never heard a Canadian speak passionately about his country. Tell me why I am wrong.
Traditionally we do not like Americans because, first and foremost, they are traitors and aggressors against the realm, as well as against us regionally. The reasons which resound with the youth of today should be obvious enough, and they have appeal with both the petty left and right.

There is a place for the Quebecois within the dominion should they wish to remain, but at this point I would not deny them self-determination should they desire it. As a conquered people, they are, rightly, constantly reminding us that we do not descend from the same European nation, so it is not surprising that any issue regarding this imagined nationalism would reflect those differences.

I don't know why you have never heard a Canadian speak passionately about his country outside the contexts of Ice Hockey and anti-Americanism, but it could well be due to the fact that you are an American and lack familiarity with the way people feel here.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2004, 06:57 AM
Traditionally we do not like Americans because, first and foremost, they are traitors and aggressors against the realm, as well as against us regionally. The reasons which resound with the youth of today should be obvious enough, and they have appeal with both the petty left and right.

There is a place for the Quebecois within the dominion should they wish to remain, but at this point I would not deny them self-determination should they desire it. As a conquered people, they are, rightly, constantly reminding us that we do not descend from the same European nation, so it is not surprising that any issue regarding this imagined nationalism would reflect those differences.

I don't know why you have never heard a Canadian speak passionately about his country outside the contexts of Ice Hockey and anti-Americanism, but it could well be due to the fact that you are an American and lack familiarity with the way people feel here.

Perhaps you lack familiarity with the many Canadians who winter in California. My aunt is a Canadian. Still, you could be correct. Actually, I hope you are correct.

Telperion
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2004, 02:58 PM
As I have previously stated, Canada is a dominion of the British realm, not a sovereign nation.

That isn't correct. Under the Treaty of Westminster in 1931, Canada ceased to be a British dominion, and became a fully sovereign state. The patriation of the constitution in 1981 was the last step in severing any formal ties between the Westminster Parliament and Canada. The Queen is still the legal head of state, but that does not mean that Canada is not a sovereign country - rather, it means that the Queen is the head of state of several sovereign countries.

Verslingen
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2004, 03:40 PM
[QUOTE=Babbage]Traditionally we do not like Americans because, first and foremost, they are traitors and aggressors against the realm, as well as against us regionally. QUOTE]

We actually agree here

The Blond Beast
Thursday, September 23rd, 2004, 09:58 AM
Although it may be news to some board members here, Canadian nationalism, at least, as far as the average Canadian is concerned, is primarily premised around the sport of hockey, and a belief in Canadian superiority within the sport of hockey.

Don't be so bitter simply because Canada beat Finland (your team) to win the 2004 World Cup of Hockey and become the first to do so with a perfect record (6-0-0). :D

A splendid sight indeed:

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/teams/mens/worldcup/2004/i/wcoh_champs430.jpg

I relished these moments as well:

http://sportsposterwarehouse.com/warehouse/canhockeycel02ti-1.jpg

http://sportsposterwarehouse.com/warehouse/canhockeywomens02ti-1.jpg

StrÝbog
Friday, September 24th, 2004, 03:30 AM
Don't be so bitter simply because Canada beat Finland (your team) to win the 2004 World Cup of Hockey and become the first to do so with a perfect record (6-0-0). :D

A splendid sight indeed:

http://www.hockeycanada.ca/e/teams/mens/worldcup/2004/i/wcoh_champs430.jpg

You're only proving his point. The rest of the world already thinks of Canada as "America Lite." Canada is so politically timid that they immediately caved to the Bush administration's demands that Canada refuse asylum to Americans fleeing the draft after Iran is invaded. If hockey is truly the nation's greatest accomplishment, then something is seriously amiss. I'm not trying to start a fight, I'm obviously not pro-American nationalism either, I just think that relying solely on sports for national pride is particularly absurd.

StrÝbog
Friday, September 24th, 2004, 03:31 AM
http://www.nationallampoon.com/flashbacks/foreigners/canadian.jpg

CANADIANS

Racial Characteristics:
Hard to tell a Canadian from an extremely boring regular white person unless he's dressed to go outdoors. Very little is known of the Canadian country since it is rarely visited by anyone but the Queen and illiterate sport fishermen. It is thought to resemble a sort of arctic Nebraska. It's reported that Canadians keep pet French people. If true, this is their only interesting trait. At any rate, they are apparently able to train Frenchmen to play hockey, which is more than any European has ever been able to do.

Good Points:
Still have plenty of Indians to abuse.

Proper Forms of Address:
Bud, mac, mister, hey you.

Some Examples of Canadian Repartee:
Two Canadians are talking in a bar. One Canadian says, "Who was that lady I saw you with last night?"
"That was my wife." replies the other.

http://www.nationallampoon.com/flashbacks/foreigners/foreigners5.html

Gentilis
Friday, September 24th, 2004, 03:51 AM
If there are any glaring facts which I am missing out on, which make Canadian Nationalism quite impossible, I have yet to see them. Have you given any thought to the fact that the government of Canada has an official policy of multiculturalism?

Nationalism is all about having a grassroots attachment to one's nation.

For the past three decades Canada's national identity has been highjacked by politicians, bureaucrats and special interest groups who have taken a top-down approach to defining what is Canadian.

The end result is a country in which artificial dictates (promotion of unskilled third world immigration, reverse discrimination, watered down Canadian history in the school curriculum, etc.) have resulted in more changes in the past 50 years than others countries have undergone in 500 years.

With every passing day Canada is becoming less of a nation and more of an abstraction engineered by a ruling elite of liberal twits who think nation building is best achieved with feel good catch-phrases.

To learn more, do a google search of the words "finestone" and "no culture"

The number of third-world hut dwellers in Canada is reaching alarming proportions. Their demographics are changing the very fabric of our society. The result is no so much a broadening of ethnic ghettos, but the creation of actual foreign colonies populated by miscreants whose sense of loyalty and national pride lies not in their adoptive country but remains with their backward shithole homeland.

Again, do a google search using "Canada" along with the words "tamil tigers" or "Kadr familiy"

The Blond Beast
Friday, September 24th, 2004, 06:39 AM
You're only proving his point. The rest of the world already thinks of Canada as "America Lite."

Canada, a young country, just happens to take pride in its hockey -- so what? Since when has this provided the basis for "Canadian Nationalism"?


Canada is so politically timid that they immediately caved to the Bush administration's demands that Canada refuse asylum to Americans fleeing the draft after Iran is invaded.

Source?

Are you upset that you'll be unable to scurry into Canada (as your male relatives did during Vietnam) to avoid dieing for neo-cons?

Regardless, at least Canada was not so timid so as to join the shill known as "The Coalition Of The Willing".


If hockey is truly the nation's greatest accomplishment, then something is seriously amiss.

What is America's greatest accomplishment? The fact that 130-140 million Americans go out of their way to watch the Super Bowl?

Having a high standard of living is certainly more important in Canada -- hockey is simply what most recognize as distinctly Canadian. Then again, what is more benign, taking pride in sport and rationality or lauding ignorance and the domination of impoverished Third World nations?

Tore
Friday, September 24th, 2004, 06:49 AM
Don't be so bitter simply because Canada beat Finland (your team) to win the 2004 World Cup of Hockey and become the first to do so with a perfect record (6-0-0).

True, although my original post was made prior to that occurance.

StrÝbog
Friday, September 24th, 2004, 07:34 AM
Canada, a young country, just happens to take pride in its hockey -- so what? Since when has this provided the basis for "Canadian Nationalism"?


OK, what else is Canada known for? Molson? Saying "eh" and "aboot"? ;)


Are you upset that you'll be unable to scurry into Canada (as your male relatives did during Vietnam) to avoid dieing for neo-cons?

Actually my eligible male relatives were in active service during Vietnam, but that's neither here nor there and is not even something of which I am proud. But yes, I would like to avoid dying for neo-cons. I don't consider this cowardly; I consider it quite rational. I was planning to go to Europe if they reenacted the draft anyway.



Regardless, at least Canada was not so timid so as to join the shill known as "The Coalition Of The Willing".


Germany is more of the NWO's bitch than Canada is and Germany did not join, either.


What is America's greatest accomplishment? The fact that 130-140 million Americans go out of their way to watch the Super Bowl?

lol I said America was no better and that I was not defending modern American society in any way. I just fail to see what makes Canada so great compared to America. America at the very least has produced a substantial amount of science and the occasional decent literary figure.


Having a high standard of living is certainly more important in Canada

LOL yeah, I hear the Communist health care system is working really well... are the immigration situations in Vancouver and Toronto helping the standard of living?


Then again, what is more benign, taking pride in sport and rationality or lauding ignorance and the domination of impoverished Third World nations?

Once again, where did I defend American policy?

Sorry if I offended any of you 51st Staters :P i was just hoping for a lively discussion.

The Blond Beast
Friday, September 24th, 2004, 10:01 AM
OK, what else is Canada known for? Molson? Saying "eh" and "aboot"? ;)

Anonymity. ;)


lol I said America was no better and that I was not defending modern American society in any way. I just fail to see what makes Canada so great compared to America. America at the very least has produced a substantial amount of science and the occasional decent literary figure.

I never stated that Canada was better than the US. As for science, it's apparent to that the US imports most of its intelligence/talent. I'm confident that most Americans don't realize that it was an honorary member of the SS who had to put them into space after their laughable response to Sputnik.

It's also obvious that America is moribund if "The Catcher in the Rye" can be considered a literary classic.

Keep in mind that there are more people in California than there are in all of Canada.


LOL yeah, I hear the Communist health care system is working really well... are the immigration situations in Vancouver and Toronto helping the standard of living?

Of course there are problems -- I never stated otherwise; it's just that Canadians are more concerned with their standard of living than with other (external) issues.

Verslingen
Friday, September 24th, 2004, 03:38 PM
Careful StrÝbog those are the kind of comments that gave Jacobite the boot

Babbage
Sunday, September 26th, 2004, 06:57 PM
That isn't correct. Under the Treaty of Westminster in 1931, Canada ceased to be a British dominion, and became a fully sovereign state. The patriation of the constitution in 1981 was the last step in severing any formal ties between the Westminster Parliament and Canada. The Queen is still the legal head of state, but that does not mean that Canada is not a sovereign country - rather, it means that the Queen is the head of state of several sovereign countries.
The keyword here is "sovereign". Sure, Canada is a "nation" among other entities represented at certain gatherings, but that does not make it sovereign set apart from GB. Having a separate parliament is politically expedient - given the technology available at the time, it was not pratical to govern all at Westminster. Still isn't, really. That does not make us any less British, we're only regionally divided. And Yes, Canada's official title is still that of a Dominion.


OK, what else is Canada known for? Molson? Saying "eh" and "aboot"?
LOL And what is Germany known for in America? Hitler, wienerschnitzel, BMWs? I don't see what you could possibly be trying to prove with such a comment.

Telperion
Sunday, September 26th, 2004, 10:41 PM
The keyword here is "sovereign". Sure, Canada is a "nation" among other entities represented at certain gatherings, but that does not make it sovereign set apart from GB.
That isn't correct, as a matter of domestic constitutional or international law. Canada is a fully sovereign state, as I explained above. There's little point in an argument about this; consult a reputable political science textbook on Canadian politics (e.g. Jackson and Jackson), or on Constitutional Law (e.g. Hogg). For the international law definition of "sovereignty", you can check a text like Akehurst's (7th ed.), and you'll see Canada meets all the criteria. And the official name used to be the Dominion of Canada, but is now simply Canada (consult the federal government's website).

Again, in Canada and the UK we have two sovereign countries that formally share the same head of state, curious as that may seem. That doesn't render the country's British heritage less significant.