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Aistulf
Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 09:14 PM
I'm not sure wheter this is the right forum, to discuss this.

This is purely my personal view on the world, but as far as I'm concerned whole Europe, including
Russia, is "nordic". Especially when you see it in relation to the rest of the world, Europe is

situated in the northern hemisphere.

My definition for nordic is probably different for a lot of people here, but it's the way I see

it. I visualized my vision (as can be seen below). It isn't very detailed, but it's roughly how I

see the world:

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=17733&stc=1

Legend
Dark slateblue = nordic geographically, racially and

culturally
Cyan = idem., but mixed with non nordic racial and cultural

influences.
Green = same as cyan, but not nordic geographically
Red = nordic racially and culturally, but not geographically
Tan = non-nordic geographically, racially and culturally
Yellow = neutral

Emphasized view:
http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=17734&stc=1


By the way, one of motivations is that some anthropologists tend to refer to whole Europe as being a nordic.

rusalka
Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 09:21 PM
My definition for nordic is probably different for a lot of people here, but it's the way I see it. I visualized my vision (as can be seen below). It isn't very detailed, but it's roughly how I


So by your definition Greece and Georgia are Nordic racially and culturally but the Krasnodar Krai in Russia is not? Keeping in mind that the Northwestern Caucasians proper are Pontids in majority as well as the Southwestern Russians and that the Georgians are of the West Asian type; that's kind of confusing, isn't it? :)

Aistulf
Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 09:31 PM
So by your definition Greece and Georgia are Nordic racially and culturally but the Krasnodar Krai in Russia is not?I did it very roughly. Even in North-Eastern China there is quite a huge slavic (unmixed) presence, like in Harbin.



Keeping in mind that the Northwestern Caucasians proper are Pontids in majority as well as the Southwestern Russians and that the Georgians are of the West Asian type; that's kind of confusing, isn't it? :)Georgians aren't really "nordic" at all, indeed. But Armenians have Indo-European roots, surely their culture is very much so. They've also proven to be a great ally of Russia (against Turkey; which is always a great thing).

http://members.fortunecity.com/whitepride1/whitepride/whitepride/images/picoftheweek_l_jpg.jpg

Agrippa
Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 09:59 PM
What you defined as "Nordic" is just roughly European.
So its better to say "white", occidental or European, because Nordic is something more specific.

rusalka
Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 09:59 PM
I did it very roughly. Even in North-Eastern China there is quite a huge slavic (unmixed) presence, like in Harbin. Yes, Harbin; China's own Mongolia region, I believe there are also quite a number of Russians there. Coincidentally I had a classmate from Harbin last semester who more or less verified this.


Georgians aren't really "nordic" at all, indeed. But Armenians have Indo-European roots, surely their culture is very much so. They've also proven to be a great ally of Russia (against Turkey; which is always a great thing).
So do the Ossets, in terms of Indo-European roots and culture; even more so than the Armenians in fact. Both Southern Ossetia and Abkhazia (who is not an Indo-European country) have allied with Russia in the past in their conflict against Georgia and Northern Ossetia is already an autonomous republic within the CIS.

It looks like you are equating Indo-European culture and ethnology with the Nordic and it is rather far fetched to say the least.

rusalka
Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 10:01 PM
What you defined as "Nordic" is just roughly European.
So its better to say "white", occidental or European, because Nordic is something more specific.
True and besides, Indo-European need not mean exclusively "European", the "Indo" does not stand for nothing. Ancient Iranian and contemporary Osset (Alan) culture has been and is as Indo-European as it gets but neither are/were "European".

ogenoct
Friday, August 20th, 2004, 04:37 AM
its better to say "white", occidental or European, because Nordic is something more specific.
"I might not be a good German, but I am a good European."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche in a letter to his mother in 1886

Dr. Solar Wolff
Friday, August 20th, 2004, 06:33 AM
Russia seems to be producing attractive, Nordic looking female tennis players. Maybe it is a breeding program.

Dr.A.Jurievich
Tuesday, September 14th, 2004, 08:59 AM
Yes, Harbin; China's own Mongolia region, I believe there are also quite a number of Russians there. Coincidentally I had a classmate from Harbin last semester who more or less verified this.I have been to Harbin as well in 2003 and believe me - there are almost no Russians permanently residing there. 99% of Russians that you see in the streets are traders from Siberia and Russian Far East that come there only on business. Oh yes, besides, there is a certain quatity of Russian prostitutes.


Northern Ossetia is already an autonomous republic within the CIS.Thats not correct. Northern Ossetia is one of the regions of Russian Federation. It has no connections with CIS, separate from Russia.:)

Jack
Tuesday, September 14th, 2004, 11:05 AM
Can someone tell me why this concept of 'Nordic' is to be considered more important than, say, the far more real concept of a 'West European race'? The difference in identity between Germany and Spain is far less than the difference between, say, France and Russia. A conflict/war for subracial preservation is highly unlikely to happen, 'Nordic' is a floating abstraction with no political utility. Hitler recognised that, and had no scruples in accepted Alpine Austrians as equals so long as they were culturally Germanic, while Nordic Russians who were culturally Slavs were recognised simply as the enemy. My point is: culture is more important than subrace. Whether an individual is considered Nordic or not has little, if any, impact on his cultural productivity. What counts is the strength of will and the intelligence to see it articulated. This is not subracially specific. I have yet to see any evidence that traditionally Nordic countries are under threat of Meditterranean colonisation or vice versa. This conflict seems to be simply an internet conflict. What both sections of Europe, indeed, all sections of Europe, are faced with are the problems of aging populations, extra-European immigration, low birth rates, cultural degredation and coming economic collapse. Bitching and screaming over the internet about which subrace is preferred will not even put a dent in these problems. And Batavier's equation of Nordic = European is simply false.

Valkonnen
Monday, September 20th, 2004, 04:12 PM
"Russia seems to be producing attractive, Nordic looking female tennis players. Maybe it is a breeding program."


You aren't talking about Anna Kournikova, are you?

She isn't fully Nordic...Her hair is dyed and her features exhibit a definate Mongoloid admixture somewhere in her lineage.

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, September 21st, 2004, 12:17 AM
Jack the Ripper, race is a much more tangible thing than culture, and that is why subracial preservation is important. It is especially so from a Nordic point of view, where a homogenous population could be easily destroyed. Proposing subracially miscegenation should not be a value of anyone on this forum, although I do agree that sulture is also very important.

Awar
Tuesday, September 21st, 2004, 12:36 AM
The problem with subracial standards is that of fetishism which appears with all things revered. Other problem is the inconsistency of phenotypes. There are many things which influence phenotype, most of which are not at all known, or not entirely known to science.

This can also be said about characteristics such as intelligence, creativity etc. etc.

There's a whole lot yet to be learned about genotype/phenotype. On the other hand, culture and philosophy are readily available. If only they were comprehensible to everyone.

Jack
Tuesday, September 21st, 2004, 12:57 AM
Jack the Ripper, race is a much more tangible thing than culture, and that is why subracial preservation is important.The average Joe does not even think about subrace. He is well aware of what race he is. I simply do not believe 'subracialism' is important in our struggle for preserving Europe. Good luck making subracialism prominent as a social field of knowledge. Subrace might be an element of what someone is, but culture is one of, if not the, means by which an individual forges his identity.


It is especially so from a Nordic point of view, where a homogenous population could be easily destroyed.These 'Nordics' have a greater problem trying to prevent (http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003131.php) Muslims from taking over entire cities than preventing their 'subrace' from being submerged by Southern Italians :D


Proposing subracially miscegenation should not be a value of anyone on this forum, although I do agree that sulture is also very important.I don't promote it. I don't view the issue of subracial miscegenation as very important at all. What problems we do have are preventing our civilization from collapsing due to foreign immigration, cultural degeneration, low birthrates, population aging and economic collapse. An Italian who comes to my country and marries an Anglo-Celt Australian girl is simply not an issue to me. What figures as more important in my eyes is the way that East Asians are taking over my city suburb by suburb. If you view subracialism as anything near immediately important, congratulations, you've got your head stuck in the clouds.