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Saladin
Thursday, January 9th, 2003, 11:08 PM
lol we could all use a good laugh. :D

http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/nordicarabs.htm




Nordic Arabs by Karl Earlson

There appears to have been a blond, racially Nordic element, amongst the leadership of the Arabic peoples, from the very earliest times. Thus, as the distinguished Harvard anthropologist Carleton S. Coon has noted, when referring to the population of the Yemen plateau:

"The Nordic-looking people are usually confined to the social stratum from which civil officers and religious men are drawn, and it is more than a coincidence that the acknowledged descendants of the Prophet are lighter-skinned and show greater evidence of blondism than the rest of the population. There may perhaps have been a Nordic strain associated with the holy families who entered this region from the Hejaz in early post-Islamic times." [Coon (1939) 408-409.]

Professor C. S. Coon has also stated, that amongst the people of Morocco:

"The ordinary city Arabs are little different from their pastoral and agricultural brethren, but this rule does not apply to the aristocratic families. These merchant-princes are sometimes blond, and of Nordic appearance; others of them look like Mekkan aristocrats in Arabia." [Coon (1939) 484.]

The Prophet Muhammad (AD 570-632), the founder of the Islamic religion, was apparently fair-skinned; a freedman, by the name of Umar, described the Prophet thus:

"his face was not fat nor rounded; it was white tinged with red". [Guillaume (1987) 726.]

Most authorities on the issue appear to agree that Muhammad was brunet, but Henric von Schwerin has stated that:

"Red-hair is still honoured amongst Moslems as the Prophet Mohammed himself was reported to have red hair." [von Schwerin (1960) 27.]

During her lifetime Aisha, the Prophet's beloved wife, gained the epithet humayra, a word which has been translated as "light," "reddish," or "fair," but whose meaning can be most accurately rendered as "blonde." [Baltzer (1934) 206; Lewis (1990) 36; Vollers (1910) 91.] Subsequently, she has become known to the Islamic peoples as "Aisha the Blonde." [Günther (1930) 168.]

Abu Bakr, the father of Aisha, and thus, the father-in-law of Muhammad, was the first Caliph of Islam (AD 632-634). He was slenderly built, and white-skinned; also, he dyed his grey beard red, in an attempt to gain a more youthful appearance — possibly in imitation and pursuance of a fair-haired, Nordic ideal. [Günther (1930) 163.]

Caliph Ali (AD 656-661), a first cousin and son-in-law of Muhammad, was also renowned for his blond hair, as were his descendants, who founded the Shi'ite branch of Islam. [Grant (1981) 84-85; Lewis (1990) 36.] However, it was bitterly resented by some Muslims, that the physical features which characterised a true descendant of Muhammad, were steadily being lost, due to admixture with darker races. Thus, as the Syrian poet Abu'l-Ala (AD 973-1057), remarked in a letter:

"We often see a man of mark who has in his house women of high degree setting above them a girl in a striped gown purchased for a few coins and so we may see a man whose grandfather on the father's side is a fair-haired descendant of Ali while his maternal grandfather is a black idolator." [Lewis (1990) 89.]

It would also appear that many of the numerous and diverse rulers of Moorish Spain, were racially Nordic; the Spanish historian Enrique Sordo, informs us that:

"Most of the caliphs were fair or ginger-haired with blue eyes, which seems to show a preponderance of Berber or Germanic blood. As they were extremely proud of their origin, some of them dyed their hair black, as if to affirm their Arab descent." [Sordo (1962) 24.]

This trend towards blondism began with the very first independent Muslim ruler of the Iberian Peninsula. Abd al-Rahman I (AD 756-788), the founder of the Cordoban Emirate, was a Syrian from the Damascus region, and belonged to the imperial Umayyad family: he was a grandson of Caliph Hisham (AD 724-743). His mother was a Berber slave-girl, and his father was the Syrio-Arab Umayyad, Muawiya. He is said to have been a "colossal red-haired man". [Grant (1981) 90; Sordo (1962) 23.]

In 1232, Muhammad b. Yusuf b. Nasr from Banu 'l-Ahmar, made himself the Sultan of the kingdom of Granada, a feat which he achieved by consolidating several Muslim petty kingdoms in southern Spain. Muhammad I was known as Ibn al Ahmar (son of the red), because of his red hair; he was the founder of the Nasrid dynasty, and ruled from 1232 to 1273. [Sordo (1962) 120; Vollers (1910) 87.]

This trait appears to have continued, even into later periods. Abu 'l-Hadjdjadj Yusuf I, the Nasrid Sultan of Granada from 1333-1354, has been described in the following terms:

"He was of noble bearing and was endowed with extraordinary physical strength and good looks. His skin was too pale however, and, according to Arab historians, he increased his grave and majestic appearance by growing a beard which he dyed very black." [Sordo (1962) 120-121.]

Ultimately, Moorish Spain ended as it had begun: with a fair-haired ruler. Muhammad XII [Boabdil], was the last Sultan of Granada (AD 1482-1483, 1487-1492); Enrique Sordo depicts him thus:

"Among the paintings in the gallery of the Generalife Palace hangs Boabdil's portrait. In it his countenance is kindly, handsome and melancholy, his complexion rubicund and his hair blond." [Sordo (1962) 124.]

Islamic Egypt also possessed several Nordic rulers of significance. Al-Nasir Yusuf Salah al-Din [Saladin] (AD 1171-1193), founded the Ayyubid Dynasty (AD 1171-1254), when he was invested with the governance of Egypt and Syria. He was of Kurdish ancestry, and his contemporaries stated that he was tall, handsome, fair-skinned and light-eyed. [Fossier (1968) 315; Günther (1927) 151; Weyl (1967) 41.] Robert Gayre of Gayre informs us that:

"Salah-ed-din and many of his followers had Kurdish and northern blood which accounted for their lighter colouring..." [Gayre of Gayre (1972) 97.]

Al-Nasir al-Hasan, who was Sultan from 1347-1351, and then from 1354-1361, was one of the last rulers of the Turkic Bahri Mamluk Dynasty, which ruled Egypt from 1250-1390. According to the Medieval chronicalist Ibn Iyas, he had a blond beard and dull-blue eyes. [Baltzer (1934) 210; Vollers (1910) 95.]

Sultan Al-Nasir Faraj (AD 1399-1412), was the son of Al-Zahir Barquq [Burji] (AD 1382-1389, 1390-1399), the first of the Burji Mamluk rulers; the Dynasty reigned from 1390 to 1517, and was mostly of Circassian descent. Ibn Iyas stated that he was blond-bearded; he also noted that both Al-Nasir al-Hasan and Al-Nasir Faraj, possessed what he described as "Arab faces," which meant that they had long, noble countenances. [Baltzer (1934) 210; Vollers (1910) 95.]

Ibn Iyas also observed that Sultan Al-Mansur Qalaun (AD 1279-1290), of the Bahri Mamluk Dynasty, had fair hair and a fair complexion. [Vollers (1910) 91.]

During the period of Ottoman rule, Nordic racial elements once again achieved a position of ascendency in the Islamic world. Orhan (AD 1324-1362), the son of Osman I (AD 1280-1324), who was the founder of Ottoman rule in Anatolia, was the first of that dynasty to use the title "Sultan." He is described as being very tall, broad-shouldered, fair-skinned, light-eyed and blond-haired. The German physical anthropologist Professor Hans F. K. Günther, considers him to have been predominantly Nordic in type. [Günther (1934) 189-190.]

Mehmed II (AD 1451-1481), known as the Conqueror, was the Ottoman Sultan that ended the Byzantine Empire, and who occupied the city of Constantinople, converting it into Istanbul. A contemporary miniature of Mehmed, painted by the artist Sinan Bey, depicts him as a light-skinned, light-haired and light-eyed man. [Reader's Digest Association (1974) 127.]

Ottoman rule over North Africa — Algiers, Tripoli, Tunis — was extended and consolidated by the brothers Aruj and Kheir-ed-Din Barbarossa. The name Barbarossa stems from the Italian word for "Redbeard," and the brothers acquired this surname because of their ginger hair. [Baltzer (1934) 211.] Kheir-ed-Din (d. 1546), was appointed Regent of Algiers in 1530, and his reign was largely a success. [Mitchell (1976) 137.] Hans F. K. Günther refers to him as:

"the Viking-like Khair-ed-din Barbarossa, the founder of Osman [Ottoman] rule in North Africa, the red-bearded son of a Greek from Lesbos." [Günther (1927) 173.]

The link given below, leads to a web page which contains depictions of every one of the Ottoman Sultans. It is interesting to observe how many have reddish hair, light eyes, or a fair complexion.


http://almashriq.hiof.no/turkey/900/950/956/sultans/thumbnails.html

We may also note that the Algerian national hero Emir Abd al-Qadir al-Jaza'iri (AD 1807-1883), who fought the French attempts to occupy his country in the 1830s and 1840s, appears to have been blue-eyed. [von Schwerin (1960) 28; von Schwerin (1964) 129-130.]

The racial trends of the Islamic past have continued into the present era; this has been demonstrated by the American author Nathaniel Weyl, who noted the relevant facts in the following manner:

"As Gayre cogently observes, there is a general correlation between blondism and Caucasoid features, on the one hand, and social status and leadership, on the other. This is by no means a recent development nor is it a reflection of the superior prestige and power which Nordics and other blond peoples have come to enjoy in the modern world....

As for the present leadership of the Arab world, Henric von Schwerin has pointed out the extent to which it tends towards blondness and the Nordic type.

The Christian minorities throughout the area are, as Dr. Gayre has observed, almost invariably superior in status, intelligence and ability to the Moslems, and are at the same time markedly blonder and more definitely Caucasoid in features. Moreover, the most vigorous, resourceful and progressive nations in the region — Lebanon and Jordan in particular — are also those with the largest Christian minorities and the greatest visible admixture of Nordic genes." [Weyl (1967) 28-29.]

The Nordic element in the Islamic world continues to play an important role — this is demonstrated by the fact that many of the leading statesmen in the recent history of the Middle East (particularly those who have organised the causes for national liberation and independence), have been predominantly Nordic in type: for instance, Mustafa Kemal Atatürk (1881-1938), the founder of modern Turkey. During the First World War, he fought the Allies at Gallipoli, and after the Armistice in 1918, he prevented a European conquest of Anatolia. After deposing the Ottoman Sultan, he declared himself President of Turkey (1923-1938), and initiated a rapid and thorough process of modernisation and secularisation, which largely succeeded in westernising the Turkish Republic. He was blond-haired and blue-eyed — features which he seems to have inherited from his Albanian mother. As a result of this, Henric von Schwerin has stated that Atatürk:

"must be characterised as predominantly Nordic..." [von Schwerin (1960) 27; von Schwerin (1964) 128.]

Haj Amin al-Husseini (d. 1974), the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, was one of the most important individuals in the recent history of the Middle East: he was, for a long period of time, the foremost leader of the movement for Palestinian liberation, as well as being the President of the World Muslim Congress. During his lifetime he was renowned not only for his political activities, but also because his beard was reddish-blond and his eyes were blue. The Swedish authoress Karin Johnsson compared the Grand Mufti to Saladin, and Henric von Schwerin considered him to be:

"one of the most pronounced Nordic types among renowned Muslims of today." [von Schwerin (1960) 27; von Schwerin (1964) 129.]

Amongst the leadership of the Algerian rebellion against France, Ferhat Abbas (b. 1899), the first President of the GPRA, from 1958-1961, had green-grey eyes. [von Schwerin (1960) 30; von Schwerin (1964) 130.] Another high official in the FLN, Ahmed Boumendjel, Head of the GPRA delegation at the negotiations in Mélun in 1960, was fair, tall and well-built. It was said that his features were almost like those of a Frenchman. [von Schwerin (1964) 130.] Colonel Houari Boumédienne [Muhammad Boukharouba] (1925-1978), was the leader of the ALN, and after independence from France was granted in 1962, he became the President of Algeria (1965-1978). He was known as "the Swede," because of his fair hair; he is described as having:

"wispy, sandy hair, a straggly, reddish mustache, and small grey-blue eyes." [von Schwerin (1964) 130.]

Habib Bourguiba (b. 1902), was a leading figure in the struggle for Tunisian independance from French rule, and in 1934 he founded the Neo-Destour Party, as a means towards this end. After independence in 1956, he became the first President of Tunisia (1956-1987); he was blue-eyed. [von Schwerin (1960) 28; von Schwerin (1964) 129.] In Syria, Sultan Atrash, the leader of the Druse rebellion against France during the 1920s, had a very fair skin and clear blue eyes. [Günther (1930) 152; von Schwerin (1960) 27; von Schwerin (1964) 128-129.] Emir Adil Arslan, another important figure of the rebellion, had bluish-green eyes and strongly Nordic features. [von Schwerin (1960) 27; von Schwerin (1964) 129.]

Muhammad Idris al-Sanusi [Idris I] (1889-1983), Emir of Cyrenaica, and King of Libya (1951-1969), was said to have "calm blue eyes". [von Schwerin (1960) 30; von Schwerin (1964) 129.] General Nuri-es-Said (1888-1958), the Iraqi premier for many years, was equally blue-eyed. [von Schwerin (1964) 128.] Finally, we should note that Muhammad Ayub Khan (1907-1974), the President of Pakistan (1958-1969), was tall, fair-complexioned and grey-eyed. It was said by certain French journalists that:

"to judge from his appearance and manners, he could well be taken for a senior British officer..." [von Schwerin (1960) 28; von Schwerin (1964) 128.]

tnbt
Friday, January 10th, 2003, 12:21 AM
What is there to laugh about?

I know many arabs with nordic features.

Azdaja
Friday, January 10th, 2003, 02:26 AM
Yes, I also fail to see what is so laughable about this. The Iranians, Hittites, Phrygians, Luwians, and Phaliacs were all Indo-European groups of influence in the Middle East.
Anyone with functioning eyes who takes the time can easily find examples of "white" Middle Easterners. They are not all swarthy semitic types.

Johnson
Friday, January 10th, 2003, 02:57 AM
a white iranian, but hardly nordic:

GreenHeart
Friday, January 10th, 2003, 04:35 AM
They are a mixed race, anyone can see that by the wildy varying phenotypes. My guess to their racial compostion would be proto-nordic/negroid mix.

I have to agree with the others, nothing is funny about that article. It's not to say that they are Nordic, but that long ago they were conquered by Nordics, like many other non-white countries. Otherwise, nobody there would have light eyes, hair, or skin!!
I've seen plenty of examples of blond arabs, or arabs with blue or green eyes.

cosmocreator
Friday, January 10th, 2003, 04:54 AM
Originally posted by schturmovik
a white iranian, but hardly nordic:

She's a Med.

Johnson
Friday, January 10th, 2003, 05:02 AM
How med does Banijamali sound to you ?

http://web.mit.edu/civenv/html/people/Fall2001_grad_students_A-C.html

Bahareh BANIJAMALI

Nickname: Bahar

Hometown: Tehran, Iran

Yep, med. :rolleyes:

Saladin
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 12:13 AM
Most of these Nordic looking Arabs are actually a result of two things.

1.The permanent settlement of Greek, Roman and Christian armies in Arabic territories.

2.Arab expansion into European or Aryan territories (I.E Spain and Persia)

Here is Queen Noor of Jordan

http://www.noor.gov.jo/images/teenager.jpg

tnbt
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 12:57 AM
ns1488ca,

why do you think you know everything about race?

you dont even look aryan!

and about nordic arabs,you should know nordics lived in the middle east.

Tore
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by tnbt
ns1488ca,

why do you think you know everything about race?

you dont even look aryan!

and about nordic arabs,you should know nordics lived in the middle east.

If the term aryan is synonomous with White, than ns1488ca is more than aryan IMO.

cosmocreator
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by schturmovik
How med does Banijamali sound to you ?

http://web.mit.edu/civenv/html/people/Fall2001_grad_students_A-C.html

Bahareh BANIJAMALI

Nickname: Bahar

Hometown: Tehran, Iran

Yep, med. :rolleyes:

There are negros with English names. Names mean little in determining race types.

cosmocreator
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by tnbt
ns1488ca,

why do you think you know everything about race?

you dont even look aryan!

and about nordic arabs,you should know nordics lived in the middle east.

I'm not Aryan. Aryans live in India and Pakistan. I ain't no Paki! Nordics have recessive traits. The chance of finding a Nordic in the ME is about as easy as finding a Nordic in Zaire.

cosmocreator
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 01:44 AM
Originally posted by Saladin
Most of these Nordic looking Arabs are actually a result of two things.

1.The permanent settlement of Greek, Roman and Christian armies in Arabic territories.

2.Arab expansion into European or Aryan territories (I.E Spain and Persia)

Here is Queen Noor of Jordan

http://www.noor.gov.jo/images/teenager.jpg

Isn't she European? I mean wasn't she born in Europe with European subracial parents?

tnbt
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 01:48 AM
Do you think nordic facial features such as thin lips,straight noses, and a thin narrow face are recessive?

Saladin
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 02:00 AM
Originally posted by ns1488ca
Isn't she European? I mean wasn't she born in Europe with European subracial parents?

From Biography.com


Queen of Jordan; born on August 23, 1951, as Lisa Najeeb Halaby in Washington, D.C. Her father, Najeeb Elias Halaby, was a former navy test pilot and lawyer who had been head of the Federal Aviation Administration under President John F. Kennedy. Born into a distinguished Arab-American family, Lisa experienced a privileged upbringing, attending exclusive private schools in Washington D.C., New York City, and Massachusetts before enrolling in the first coeducational class at Princeton University in 1969

Saladin
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 02:04 AM
Queen Rania Al-Abdullah of Jordan with her family

http://209.41.172.238/gallery/withfamily/23.jpg

From Biography.com

Her Majesty Queen Rania Al-Abdullah (formerly Rania Al-Yasin) was born in Kuwait on August 31, 1970 to a notable Jordanian family of Palestinian origin. She completed her primary and secondary education in Kuwait and in 1991 obtained a Bachelors degree in Business Administration from the American University in Cairo.

Nordhammer
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 07:21 AM
Originally posted by Saladin
lol we could all use a good laugh. :D

http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/nordicarabs.htm

"Nordic-looking" should be taken with a grain of salt. Many half-Asians are "white-looking", and quadroons or octaroons are "white-looking" or could be classified as Caucasian.

Nordhammer
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 07:24 AM
Originally posted by Saladin
Queen Rania Al-Abdullah of Jordan with her family

http://209.41.172.238/gallery/withfamily/23.jpg

From Biography.com

Her Majesty Queen Rania Al-Abdullah (formerly Rania Al-Yasin) was born in Kuwait on August 31, 1970 to a notable Jordanian family of Palestinian origin. She completed her primary and secondary education in Kuwait and in 1991 obtained a Bachelors degree in Business Administration from the American University in Cairo.

Mongrels. Similar to South America, having small amounts of Mongoloid and/or Negroid just to make them ugly.

Nordhammer
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 07:27 AM
Originally posted by tnbt
Do you think nordic facial features such as thin lips,straight noses, and a thin narrow face are recessive?

In fact, they are genetically recessive traits to my knowledge.

tnbt
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 02:47 PM
Heh I guess they werent recessive for me.

cosmocreator
Saturday, January 11th, 2003, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Saladin
Queen Rania Al-Abdullah of Jordan with her family

http://209.41.172.238/gallery/withfamily/23.jpg



That boy on the right looks part negro.

Evolved
Thursday, January 16th, 2003, 03:41 AM
Queen Noor of Jordan has a Swedish mother and her father, despite being Middle Eastern, was no different from a Europid Mediterranean.

Demigorgona
Thursday, January 16th, 2003, 04:05 AM
NS1488CA said..."That boy on the right looks part negro."

That boy on the right looks just like you.

cosmocreator
Thursday, January 16th, 2003, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by Demigorgona
That boy on the right looks just like you.

I think you need new glasses.

Conquistador
Thursday, January 16th, 2003, 04:37 AM
Originally posted by Demigorgona
That boy on the right looks just like you.

LMAO. Right out of the horse's mouth. Figure of Speech; not saying that you have a horse's mouth, Demigorgona. :ultrawink

racist
Thursday, January 16th, 2003, 04:59 AM
Originally posted by ns1488ca
I think you need new glasses. I agree. I think she needs new glasses.

Nordhammer
Thursday, January 16th, 2003, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by ns1488ca
That boy on the right looks part negro.

I'm very suspicious about Middle Easterners, especially those close to Africa or in Africa like Egypt. I'd like to see a genetic study done on them looking for Negroid gene markers.

Phenotypically they are obviously deviated and unlike Northern Europeans. They need to stay in their own country and marry their own women.

GreenHeart
Thursday, January 16th, 2003, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Demigorgona
That boy on the right looks just like you.

LOL x_rofl x_hehe x_rofl x_hehe x_rofl x_hehe x_rofl

wrathchild72
Friday, January 17th, 2003, 03:13 AM
King Abdullah of Jordan mother's was an Englishwoman, his wife is Palestinian, my sister is a friend of some cousin of hers and they could pass for being Italians or Spaniards but that's from aryan genes that were passed down in their ancient history and being they're royal, they'll breed with the higher castes in their society, but I wouldn't consider them Aryan because you'll still see some Semitic remnants if you really look at them. The boy on the right, I can see how you say that he don't look white but I think that might have to do more with the quality or lighting in the photo, lights and shadows can play tricks, but he don't look part negro, I see plenty of part negros everyday believe me!

Nordhammer
Friday, January 17th, 2003, 04:00 AM
Originally posted by wrathchild72
King Abdullah of Jordan mother's was an Englishwoman, his wife is Palestinian, my sister is a friend of some cousin of hers and they could pass for being Italians or Spaniards but that's from aryan genes that were passed down in their ancient history and being they're royal, they'll breed with the higher castes in their society, but I wouldn't consider them Aryan because you'll still see some Semitic remnants if you really look at them. The boy on the right, I can see how you say that he don't look white but I think that might have to do more with the quality or lighting in the photo, lights and shadows can play tricks, but he don't look part negro, I see plenty of part negros everyday believe me!

Passing for white or Mediterranean isn't saying much, really. Let's be frank about it. Again, I must coddle the Mediterranean ego in saying that they are "white", but the great majority of them are not compatible with the Northern folk and countries founded by those Northern folk, such as America.

There are plenty of mongrels that pass for white. Would it come as a shock to know that a mulatto with Jewish ancestry passed for not only white, but also pro-white Aryan for years?

Stríbog
Friday, January 17th, 2003, 04:38 AM
Are we speaking of Eisenhower?

wrathchild72
Friday, January 17th, 2003, 05:30 AM
Can you please point out exactly where I was writing about the Northern peoples?

Marduk
Sunday, October 26th, 2003, 01:07 AM
That boy on the right looks part negro.

How Curious those children are : the girl looks so nordish and not only because of her blond hair, and could pass for a perfect average central European, whereas the boy exhibits a strong levantine influence.

As for the baby, I can say nothing : too young.

Dienekes_Pontikos
Sunday, October 26th, 2003, 01:38 AM
a white iranian, but hardly nordic:

She is of Mediterranean racial type.

cosmocreator
Sunday, October 26th, 2003, 06:55 AM
Nordic Arab is an oxymoron.

The Blond Beast
Sunday, October 26th, 2003, 07:50 AM
Nordic Arab is an oxymoron.

Its all absolute nonsense. There may be an extreme minority of people in the Mid-East of Arab culture/language who look Nordic, but that is due to their genetic heritage being from the North/North West. They may fancy themselves Arabs, but they're really racial Europeans (to a certain extent) amongst a sea of Semitic monotony.

Nordgau
Sunday, October 26th, 2003, 01:52 PM
Syria's President Bashar al-Assad has blue eyes and also his skin is quite fair. Nordid element, but still predominantly of Armenid type, I would say. Of corse, such Arabs with a Nordid element in their phenotype are only an extreme little minority. Ladygoeth will classify him perhaps as Himmleroid, as his chin does not seem to be too striking.

http://www.worldpress.org/images/100703assad.jpg http://i-cias.com/e.o/ill/assad_b.jpg http://www.syrialive.net/images/media/news/2003/assadhamad2.jpg

torrent
Sunday, October 26th, 2003, 02:09 PM
Syria's President Bashar al-Assad has blue eyes and also his skin is quite fair. Nordid element, but still predominantly of Armenid type, I would say. Of corse, such Arabs with a Nordid element in their phenotype are only an extreme little minority. Ladygoeth will classify him perhaps as Himmleroid, as his chin does not seem to be too striking.

http://www.worldpress.org/images/100703assad.jpg http://i-cias.com/e.o/ill/assad_b.jpg http://www.syrialive.net/images/media/news/2003/assadhamad2.jpg
Hello Thorburnulf,
yes, armenoid plus nordic but please let me remind you that armenoid (dinaricized iranoafgan) is fully indoeuropean. Many are pigmented because of various reasons or, say, simply nondepigmented. if we even reverse the evolutionary pathway, we would have to accept that armenoid and mediterranean and Iranoafgan descends from Phalian. Infact it is more probable that mediterranean descends from phalian. HG2 is a precursor of HG9 and HG21. What is confusing? The phalian you describe is already too gracile and it is really hard to evaluate troender (do not we believe in subraces as dinekesp?) from cromagnon without mediterranean proper mixture.
best regards

iú_nou_me
Sunday, October 26th, 2003, 06:22 PM
It's incredible how theses persons see NORDIC in every thing. Simply pathetic.

cosmocreator
Sunday, October 26th, 2003, 06:36 PM
It's incredible how theses persons see NORDIC in every thing. Simply pathetic.


I see nothing Nordic about him.

Agrippa
Friday, January 9th, 2004, 05:11 PM
In fact, they are genetically recessive traits to my knowledge.

Narrow face and head isnt recessive, nose is intermediate (it depends) and thin lips are only typical for Nordid people (Hallstatt/Teutonordic) if full lips are to you what Sudanids got...

There are Arabs which are more Nordic than many even Northern people at least in their appearance, phaenotype, maybe not genetically.
But we all know that this partly or fully depigmented Arabs with Nordic traits are just a very, very small minority mostly in regions were not only Arabs lived, f.e. Syria, Palaestine, North Africa etc...but not in states like Saudi Arabia or Oman. There are "white" Europid people in the majority their too, especially in the upper class but no Nordic.

Arabs are an ethnic group which assimilated even more groups than f.e. Slavs, so its not surprising that they tend do have a wide range of types...

Razmig
Friday, January 9th, 2004, 10:01 PM
The Turkish sultans would claim Armenian children called "BARZA", and make them their royal figures. Suleyman, Ozcan, Ghazi, Murad etc were all of Armenian lineage. It explains how quickly the Mongol Turks became (caucasoid). In comparison there was 10,000 invading Turks and roughly 4 million Armeinians, and more so Greeks in the region. Several Armenian princess' have openly been wedded to Sultans as well.

Theres nothing nordish about that girl, she looks like a typical Mexican Med/Mongol to me. The Queen of Jordan is half American. He married an American. Jordanians are as dark as Saudis, maybe with some Philistine features. King abdullah is full Arab. Syrias president is no an "arab", hes Alawite, theres a huge difference. They are closer to Lebanese Phoenicians.

Razmig
Saturday, January 10th, 2004, 08:00 AM
In my country this guy would not be considered as a whiteman. He looks like an arab, period.

ss88
He can very much pass for a Frenchie. Im guessing your from America.

Evolved
Saturday, January 10th, 2004, 08:05 AM
Bashar al-Assad is very Himmleroid. :P

I have seen some white Arabs, but these people are rare. Regardless of what we think of them, the US government considers them white, it's probably the same in Europe, Australia, S. Africa, etc.. :|

Dr. Solar Wolff
Saturday, January 10th, 2004, 08:25 AM
There is a blond, blue-eyed Syrian man working in a liquor store near my post office. But, there is also a blond Chinaman working as a waiter in a Chinese restaurant called The Great Wall in Reseda, California. You otta see this guy!

Agrippa
Saturday, January 10th, 2004, 03:15 PM
There is a blond, blue-eyed Syrian man working in a liquor store near my post office. But, there is also a blond Chinaman working as a waiter in a Chinese restaurant called The Great Wall in Reseda, California. You otta see this guy!

China is big, is he really a (Han-) Chinese?

Marduk
Saturday, January 10th, 2004, 09:04 PM
I have seen some white Arabs, but these people are rare. Regardless of what we think of them, the US government considers them white, it's probably the same in Europe, Australia, S. Africa, etc.. :|

Arabs are by no way considered as "white" in Europe, rather as semito-negroid.

Agrippa
Saturday, January 10th, 2004, 09:40 PM
Arabs are by no way considered as "white" in Europe, rather as semito-negroid.

The question is what is white. If white means Europid/Caucasoid then the Arabs are mostly white, if whites are just Europeans or even just Nordish people then its clear either and they are non-Whites.

Razmig
Saturday, January 10th, 2004, 10:53 PM
I think the confusion here is people misunderstanding middle eastern minorities living in Arab speaking countries as (Arabs). The Lebanese, as most might want to think, are not Arabs. They call themselves Finikia...or Phoenician, the Arabs (Muslims) and Palestinians live in the South, and recently thanks to America, they have taken over half of Beirut. The same goes for the Alawite, Philistinis, Druze's, the Circassians of Egypt and Jordan, the Coptics (some are ethnically Helenic, some Egyptian Semite), the Assyrians, the Berbers. Yes most of them speak Arabic but that is because the Arabs had a huge empire, the reason why there are so many different Russians (that to a non-Russian is always just a Russian).

Often times people say who cares about the middle-east, but comment on it despite not wanting to learn about it. The middle east is just as diverse as Europe, however many of the diverse populations have been persecuted by muslims Arabs, Turks and other majority nomadic people, who have reduced their numbers. The true Arabs are called Bedouin, they live primarily in Saudi, Kuwait, south Iraq, Oman, Yemen, and parts of Jordan. In Arab countries they are called the "pure ones", or the "survivors".

Agrippa
Saturday, January 10th, 2004, 10:58 PM
Yup, Arabs are just an Ethnic group with many different subgroups and races inside.

bernard_sk
Saturday, January 10th, 2004, 11:09 PM
I have been to Syria, so I talk from what I have seen.

alot have fair skin, and many have light eyes (I'd say 2/10 have green or blue). Village people seem to have more Euro features, esp. mountain villages. Light hair is not rare, but most have curly, frizzy or wavy hair.
One thing I have to add, the sun there is very harsh. alot of people have burned skin, esp. farmers. I my self got a harsh tan that lasted a while after my visit.

I only visited the western parts (noted on the map attached), so I have no idea how they are in the central/eastern parts

Razmig
Saturday, January 10th, 2004, 11:34 PM
I have been to Syria, so I talk from what I have seen.

alot have fair skin, and many have light eyes (I'd say 2/10 have green or blue). Village people seem to have more Euro features, esp. mountain villages. Light hair is not rare, but most have curly, frizzy or wavy hair.
One thing I have to add, the sun there is very harsh. alot of people have burned skin, esp. farmers. I my self got a harsh tan that lasted a while after my visit.

I only visited the western parts (noted on the map attached), so I have no idea how they are in the central/eastern parts
Anything south of Ad-Laqihiyah are usually Assuris (Assyrian Farmers). The Arabs are not known for farming, all northern villages are Armenian, Kessab, Idib, Antakya, those northern regions depicted on the map were also part of Armenian Giligia, now Turkey. Farmers in Syria are usually Armenians, and most the time the workers are Kurds or Druzes. There does not exist a (Syrian) race, as there does not exist an American. Syria was created by France to liberate many Armenian lands, as was Lebanon for the Phoenicians. My grandfather is from Syrian Kessab, and I've been there several times, as I can spot out whose Arab, Armenian, Kurd, Druze, Greek etc, most other people group them all as Ssyrians. Where are you from Bernard? What were you doing in Syria (are you a student?).

bernard_sk
Sunday, January 11th, 2004, 12:27 AM
I am from Canada.
a very good Syrian-Canadian friend invited me to visit (very welcoming people btw)

Razmig
Sunday, January 11th, 2004, 12:41 AM
I am from Canada.
a very good Syrian-Canadian friend invited me to visit (very welcoming people btw)
What kind of Syrian is he? Or is he Assyrian. Is he Muslim, Christian?
I know lots of Syrian Armenians who live in Canada, probably because they speak French there...many from Lebanon too.

ScotchTape
Saturday, January 17th, 2004, 04:14 AM
I heard Lebanese and Syrian people are Phoenicians and that they have a lot of Crusaders blood. And that Saudi ARabia, Egypt and Yemen have negroid blood. Iraq has Persian blood. Then what exactly is Arab and is it actually a majority group in the Middle East?

Miss lebanon 99 Diana Kfoury
http://www.siteskins.com/lebanesebeauties/userimages/t_3.20.jpg
Miss Lebanon Clemence Achkar

http://www.litaco.lbgo.com/images/m21.jpg

Vojvoda
Saturday, January 17th, 2004, 04:16 AM
I wonder if there is a difference in phenotypes between muslim and christian Lebanese.

Razmig
Saturday, January 17th, 2004, 09:27 AM
I wonder if there is a difference in phenotypes between muslim and christian Lebanese.
There very much is...those two girls "kfouri and achkar = armenian name which means rock eye, those blue ones that symbolizes good luck" are christian. my father grew up in lebanon...and he says that no matter how hard the muslims tried to blend in (wearing crosses, etc) theyre always spotable. it became harder when kurdish immigrants came as many of them looked armenian or what have you, muslims tend to have some mysterous similar blood however, maybe it is orientalid...but it is easy to tell who is muslim (especially if your a lebanese christian). now, lebanon has been forced to surrender to muslims (by america) and beirut is half and half now, before it was only maronites and armenians.

Razmig
Saturday, January 17th, 2004, 09:29 AM
I heard Lebanese and Syrian people are Phoenicians and that they have a lot of Crusaders blood. And that Saudi ARabia, Egypt and Yemen have negroid blood. Iraq has Persian blood. Then what exactly is Arab and is it actually a majority group in the Middle East?

Miss lebanon 99 Diana Kfoury
http://www.siteskins.com/lebanesebeauties/userimages/t_3.20.jpg
Miss Lebanon Clemence Achkar

http://www.litaco.lbgo.com/images/m21.jpg
the syrians arnt really a people, it was originally created by france to help preserve armenian lands in the north (antakya, kessablanca etc), and assyrian lands to the east....however syria is very diverse, and the muslim arabs in syria are even symilar to lebanese, but so many years of islam has changed them i would say, the lebanese christian are indeed phoenician but crusaders did not mix with them, as they were maronites and it was uncalled for...recently there has been settlements by french, italians, and what have you, but they have their own regions in lebanon (many fled during the war, truley sad), lebanon was much like france pre-war

Gesta Bellica
Sunday, January 18th, 2004, 12:07 PM
I heard Lebanese and Syrian people are Phoenicians and that they have a lot of Crusaders blood. And that Saudi ARabia, Egypt and Yemen have negroid blood. Iraq has Persian blood. Then what exactly is Arab and is it actually a majority group in the Middle East?

Miss lebanon 99 Diana Kfoury
http://www.siteskins.com/lebanesebeauties/userimages/t_3.20.jpg
Miss Lebanon Clemence Achkar

http://www.litaco.lbgo.com/images/m21.jpg

Well these 2 girls look definitely white and without a sign of interracial admistures.
I wonder if they are an exception or if they really reflect the population of Lebanon
I have to say that i heard that the non muslim population of Lebanon is really white and has nothing to do with the Arabs..
It's an interesting topic.. in the end Greeks and Southern Italians are in some way "accused" to have (also) phinician blood in their veins as a proof of a supposed non white admisture...

Razmig
Sunday, January 18th, 2004, 12:49 PM
Well these 2 girls look definitely white and without a sign of interracial admistures.
I wonder if they are an exception or if they really reflect the population of Lebanon
I have to say that i heard that the non muslim population of Lebanon is really white and has nothing to do with the Arabs..
It's an interesting topic.. in the end Greeks and Southern Italians are in some way "accused" to have (also) phinician blood in their veins as a proof of a supposed non white admisture...
hmm well the phoenicians were the same race as the hellenes so i dont see how that makes sence, the first woman is lebanese, she looks typical if she had dark eyes /skin, obviously highlights...she cannot pass for a muslim tho...the second girl looks malatian armenian (the bulk of lebanese armenians), many converted to maronite and married amongst other lebanese

the word white doesnt really mean anything...white = white skin, blue eyes and blonde hair, anything other...that includes meds dinars etc, are not white...traditionally...in its social sence, however most lebanese are not orientalids, but it can be found, like it can also be found in greece, italy, france...etc

ScotchTape
Sunday, January 18th, 2004, 10:55 PM
Most contests don't tell a person's religion but last year these two were the definite muslims.

http://www.lebaneseforces.com/images/news/misslebanon.jpg

http://www.siteskins.com/lebanesebeauties/userimages/t_3.30.jpg

Razmig
Monday, January 19th, 2004, 11:40 AM
Most contests don't tell a person's religion but last year these two were the definite muslims.

http://www.lebaneseforces.com/images/news/misslebanon.jpg

http://www.siteskins.com/lebanesebeauties/userimages/t_3.30.jpg
Those are deffinetly not Palestinian Illegal Muslim, perhaps Lebanese Muslim (there are Lebanese muslims who were there for hundreds of years), but most the time they live with the christians NORTH LEB. They don't look Lebanese, perhaps theyre from a Muslim European country, Turkey, and they are surely not full Arab.

bernard_sk
Monday, January 19th, 2004, 11:25 PM
What kind of Syrian is he? Or is he Assyrian. Is he Muslim, Christian?
I know lots of Syrian Armenians who live in Canada, probably because they speak French there...many from Lebanon too.

he is Muslim, but from some sect that is not too religious? (forgot the name)

as you said in some post, I noticed that ethnicity differs between cities/villages and even neighbourhoods. Some villages were all christian, like "Marmarita" (?) there were some old "Syrianic" (?) villages.
a weird city was "hama" (?), most of it's people were conservative Muslims, but I think I saw the most fair/light-eyed-people there.

btw, those "soss" (?) drink guys are funny (pic not mine)

ScotchTape
Tuesday, January 20th, 2004, 12:21 AM
Those are deffinetly not Palestinian Illegal Muslim, perhaps Lebanese Muslim (there are Lebanese muslims who were there for hundreds of years), but most the time they live with the christians NORTH LEB. They don't look Lebanese, perhaps theyre from a Muslim European country, Turkey, and they are surely not full Arab.
I dont know what kind of muslims but they are from Lebanon. The first one's name is Nancy Afiouny(?) and the second one is Leen Sleiman.

ScotchTape
Tuesday, January 20th, 2004, 12:42 AM
This is a link to a casting agency operating in Lebanon. The people are of all ages(mostly) and I think it is fairly typical of what people in Lebanon look like.
The people on this website are a lot more "middle eastern" looking than the two girls I posted.
A significant number has light coloured eyes too especially the children. One of the children is redheaded and some are blond. On the other hand, some people(especially the older ones) look east indian.
http://iteacasting.com/fanclub.php

Razmig
Tuesday, January 20th, 2004, 02:58 AM
he is Muslim, but from some sect that is not too religious? (forgot the name)

as you said in some post, I noticed that ethnicity differs between cities/villages and even neighbourhoods. Some villages were all christian, like "Marmarita" (?) there were some old "Syrianic" (?) villages.
a weird city was "hama" (?), most of it's people were conservative Muslims, but I think I saw the most fair/light-eyed-people there.

btw, those "soss" (?) drink guys are funny (pic not mine)
Those drink guys are indeed funny, however that guy attatched doesnt look like a traditional. Theyre supposed to be old, in Arabic garb and look like Bedouins. Funny how times change. Sure there are many light eyed in Syria, there are towns in Eastern Syria whos people are the descendants of the Aramaic/Syriac speakers (there is even a town all Armenians who dont even speak Armenian, just Aramaic, since the time of the defending of the cross in Antakya). There are also Bedouins in Syria (Arabs), the Syrians themselves are not Arab, but speak Arabic and Im sure have mixed some amongst muslims with the bedouins and Arabians. It very much differs from town to town...much like the rest of the middle east.


I dont know what kind of muslims but they are from Lebanon. The first one's name is Nancy Afiouny(?) and the second one is Leen Sleiman.
Those are both Lebanese names (Sleiman is the Lebanese version of the Hebrew Solomon, in Arabic/Turkish it is spelled Süleyman. There were forced conversions in Lebanon during Arab conquer to turn islamic, but not in Armenia, Greece, Anatolia etc (untill the Turks arrived).


This is a link to a casting agency operating in Lebanon. The people are of all ages(mostly) and I think it is fairly typical of what people in Lebanon look like.
The people on this website are a lot more "middle eastern" looking than the two girls I posted.
A significant number has light coloured eyes too especially the children. One of the children is redheaded and some are blond. On the other hand, some people(especially the older ones) look east indian.
http://iteacasting.com/fanclub.php
I don't see how hair color is a phoenotype but I didn't see any east Indian looking people (dark skin, round faces). In any case, those model agency are also forced to accept the Muslims, muslims make up 70% of Lebanon, and only 1.5 million are ethnic Lebanese (including the converted Muslim Lebanese). The rest are Palestinians, Iranians (from the time of Iatola), minorities of Jews, Armenians, Greeks, Italians, French, etc

ScotchTape
Tuesday, January 27th, 2004, 12:31 AM
another "white" lebanese.
Miss Lebanon !995 Julia Seryani
http://www.siteskins.com/lebanesebeauties/userimages/p_1.1.jpg

waheed
Friday, February 13th, 2004, 02:42 AM
Pure arab

http://activities.almawakeb.sch.ae/gallery/Activities%20of%202000-2001/Campus%20Life/Science%20Fair/39.gif

ScotchTape
Friday, February 13th, 2004, 02:51 AM
Sorry I posted the wrong picture.
This is Julia Seryani.
The others are recent winners of the Miss Lebanon Pageant. They look perfectly white to me.

BlankOi!
Sunday, April 4th, 2004, 08:48 PM
Nordhammer said:

Phenotypically they are obviously deviated and unlike Northern Europeans. They need to stay in their own country and marry their own women. An illegal immigrant criticizing immigration.
pure comedy.

Ewergrin
Sunday, April 4th, 2004, 11:41 PM
Nordhammer said:
An illegal immigrant criticizing immigration.
pure comedy.

Care to substantiate this statement, or shall I ban you now for being a troll?

Siegfried
Tuesday, April 6th, 2004, 06:44 PM
The question is what is white. If white means Europid/Caucasoid then the Arabs are mostly white, if whites are just Europeans or even just Nordish people then its clear either and they are non-Whites.

Whites are a subsection of the Europid race, IMHO. The Europid race can be divided in various ethnic groups (Gaelic, etc) and meta-ethnicities (Germanic, Slavic, Celtic, etc). 'White' refers to such a subgroup; it's the super-ethnicity encompassing the European (meta-)ethnicities. There are certainly Europids scattered all over the Middle-East and North-Africa, but these are not 'White'.
My chauvinism leads me to believe the White peoples represent the Europid race in its purest and highest evolved form, however.

Razmig
Tuesday, April 6th, 2004, 11:29 PM
Whites are a subsection of the Europid race, IMHO. The Europid race can be divided in various ethnic groups (Gaelic, etc) and meta-ethnicities (Germanic, Slavic, Celtic, etc). 'White' refers to such a subgroup; it's the super-ethnicity encompassing the European (meta-)ethnicities. There are certainly Europids scattered all over the Middle-East and North-Africa, but these are not 'White'.
My chauvinism leads me to believe the White peoples represent the Europid race in its purest and highest evolved form, however.
Ultimately what it breaks down to is that those who are for the word "white" and promoting its non-definated circulation would like to have some type of backing to claiming purity. Therefor, if those east of their homelands (of lets say Germanic, Nordic, etc) are also pure "whites", then the many intermarriages between them will not make them "mixed." Therefor Ladogans in Germany are whites, because Ladogans are white. Therefor a Ladogan in Asia is not because they did not intermarry with Germans. The same goes for those who think the word Europe is definnite. We so easily forget a time when Russia would have never been considered Europe (Napoleon documented his war in Moscow, Asia, and lets not forget the countless efforts on behalf of the Czars to Europeanize the Russian state and its people, both politically and immigration from Europaan states.), and a time when the Balkans was considered Western Asia, because of its dominance of the Ottoman Empire.

It's funny how people post pictures of blonde haired blue eyed lebanese, and call them white. Lebanon is a med/arm country just like greece, the majority are darker pigmented in eyes, why pick out those with blonde hair and blue eyes? That does not justify a thing, the word "white" is a foolish word, and if a brown eyed Lebanese is not "white," then I don't see how one with blue eyes can be, if they are the same people.

Scoob
Tuesday, April 6th, 2004, 11:35 PM
I haven't followed this thread closely, but I'll add that many Lebanese are well-known to have blood from the "Franks" (European Crusaders).

ScotchTape
Wednesday, April 7th, 2004, 01:15 AM
I have never been to Lebanon but based on their models(heheh), Lebanese are more likely to have lighter pigmentation than the Greeks.
Some Lebanese have black looking faces too and many look orientalid.
Does anyone care to comment on the girls I attached in my last post?

Razmig
Wednesday, April 7th, 2004, 07:16 AM
I haven't followed this thread closely, but I'll add that many Lebanese are well-known to have blood from the "Franks" (European Crusaders).
The Crusaders didn't do much more than pillage, and leave. For example, Constantinopolis itself was looted and left MOST ESPECIALLY by the Venicians (the reason why Byzantium lost all of its riches). The crusaders from Ireland/Brittish Isles all returned as well, and if those who chose to marry, brought the wives back with them. There is of coarse rape, which all wars have. :( But I doubt a Christian from Tripoli would be raped by a crusader...any French blood that Lebanese have absorbed would be during WWI and II, and French settlements in Lebanon. Lebanon and Switzerland had the same sort of Liberitarian laws (anything goes, extreme Med mentality). It was congruent with Italian nightlife up untill the outbursts between Illegal Palestinians, and Ethnic Christian Lebanese. :~( It was a truley beautiful country.

Vlad Cletus
Wednesday, April 7th, 2004, 07:25 AM
I have a friend who is blonde, with very light streaks near platinum lightness, and eyes which are a darker-light blue. She claims to be of 1/4 Lebanese ancestry, perhaps her Lebanese ancestors were Nordids who maybe mingled with Semites. Then again what composes her other part is Irish and German.

Razmig
Wednesday, April 7th, 2004, 07:29 AM
I have never been to Lebanon but based on their models(heheh), Lebanese are more likely to have lighter pigmentation than the Greeks.
Some Lebanese have black looking faces too and many look orientalid.
Does anyone care to comment on the girls I attached in my last post?
Sure.

The first girl has the last name seryani (and she is Christian), aka Seyrani/ian. That would mean she has Armenian herritage. Seryan is actually an Armenian derrivitant of Sariani (-of the mountains). In Turkish, there is pronounciation of the Armenian or IE "Ah", or A. It sometimes hard to see who is Lebanese and who is Lebanese Armenian. Sometimes they spell last names the same (Christian last names). Seryan/Seyran is a Turkish word, so theres no doubting that shes an Armenian or has Armenian in her. But sometimes Lebanese Christians will have the same Turkish spelling of a surname and the only thing that differenciates is the more popular Armenian IAN, IA (also there is OS, ACI, ICH, IK, AK, OV: non-slavic, ov in Armenian means of, IS, AS, ES). In Lebanon, Christians (if holding an Arabic last name), both spell the name differently, and do not place the first name of the father for the last name of the son as Muslims do (EX: father is Waheed al Faudi, son is Ali al Waheed) and even have non Arab, Lebanese surnames like Fraezi (lamb).

These girls could have non regional ancestry (such as I mentioned one is Armenian), so what is to say the others are not French? Italian? German? Swiss? Lebanon has recently been a large melting pot for Europeans who seek a mediterannean life style (of coarse not anymore). But this does not say that Lebanese, much like other mediterannean peoples, cannot have such light eye pigmentation, or small noses (sometimes models have nose jobs so I wont even consider the noses) but rather the shape of the faces and bigger bones. Lebanese for the most part are smaller (the females) and the men usually just taller (but still slender). I think what makes you feel "awed" is the combination of makeup and hair highlights that make you think "wow these are very white in comparison to what I originally thought." Of coarse if any Lebanese, Turk, Greek, Armenian, Syrian, etc dresses up and wears makeup like a European, he will look European, and fit into a European country, as the races there have no divides unless obviously of a mixed phoenotype (which would be rare in Lebanon as I have never seen a Afro-Lebanese, but have an Afro-Arab from say, Yemen).

Dr. Solar Wolff
Wednesday, April 7th, 2004, 07:47 AM
A curly blond, blue eyed man with a foreign sounding accent worked in a store where I lived a few years ago. One day some friends of his came in and they all began talking Arabic. I asked him about this and he said he was Syrian.

A girl I worked with was tall, blond, and blue eyed. She looked better than Uma Thruman. One day she told me her mother was German but her father was from Lebanon. She said her father had light-brownish blond hair and green eyes.

ScotchTape
Thursday, April 8th, 2004, 05:03 AM
I agree with you Razmig. Lebanese modeling pictures are very often very very different from reality. The amount of makeup and lighting they use is too much.
I thought this girl was a "white" Lebanese in her modeling pictures but in her real life picture she looks somewhat 'nonwhite'.

racial_intellect
Tuesday, April 13th, 2004, 07:08 PM
the turkish royal line is armenian? :rollin

do you know anything about the turkish samurais called gazis? shelemdirme? we gazis worship our ancestors in shamanist tradition, ever wonder why the national flag of the ottoman empire was the name of a guy

Razmig
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 01:32 AM
the turkish royal line is armenian? :rollin

do you know anything about the turkish samurais called gazis? shelemdirme? we gazis worship our ancestors in shamanist tradition, ever wonder why the national flag of the ottoman empire was the name of a guy
The Ottomans are long gone and dilluted with the blood of Balkan and Anatolian peoples...the Ottoman flag was simply that of an Islamic representation...what you call a "Turkish Samurai" is probably the Turkish variant of an Arab/Islamic A-ssa-sseen (Assassin), with his Arabic face garb and Khanjar (curved blade in which to cut throats). If the Turkish royalty was not Armenian, I do not see how they ended up looking like Armenians, wich hooked noses, red hairs, taller stature...and also would not make sense as to why the majority of the leading class were Armenians, causing the Turkish revolt spanning from 1885-1915 (when the Ottomans proclaimed that being called a Turk, is not a derrogitory thing, and hence fourth began slaughtering Christians in the empire).

On the other hand, the Ottoman Gazi were simply Turks dressed in Mongolian garb, at hands with the straight sworded Iranian short sword...a Samurai means more than someone with fruity Mongoloid armour. A Gazi was a fighter for the Islamic cause, and could have had origins anywhere from Central Asia to Arabia.

Razmig
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 01:34 AM
I agree with you Razmig. Lebanese modeling pictures are very often very very different from reality. The amount of makeup and lighting they use is too much.
I thought this girl was a "white" Lebanese in her modeling pictures but in her real life picture she looks somewhat 'nonwhite'.
I think you misinterpreted my point. The point is, that anyone who dresses up and wears makeup will give that look, it's just that your taking into account comparing day to day people from the middle east, to the vast majority of Europeans who undergo facial reconstructions, wear makeup and dress differently than those in the east.

Also, you must realize, models are never the "norm" of any nation. There is a reason why they are models.

Vestmannr
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 03:33 AM
It matters according to religion as regards the Middle East. As to 'who are the Arabs', Arabs are not native to anywhere but the Arabian peninsula. As such, the only true Arabs in the Middle East are Muslim. So-called 'Arab Christians' are actually Aramean (Assyrian, Syriac, etc.). Arameans are primarily Alpinid. Many of the other Christians and religious minorities in the region have roots with the Greek and Roman Empires. The Crusader states had minimal impact genetically. However, we know that Scythians, Goths, Gauls and others were settled in military retirement communities throughout the region (including Palestine.) 'Roum' or Roman is still the term used to define the Greek Orthodox across the Middle East, who are a mixture of Aramean, Greek, Roman, and other peoples who were part of the Empire in the Middle East. Most of these I believe are Mediterranean, though not a few are Atlantid, Dinarid, or other Europid races. Of course, many of these who were Christian before have converted to Islam and joined in the multi-racial 'Ummah'. However, the descendants of the Prophet Muhammed still enjoy a upper caste status within Islam, and they alone are the real Arabs in countries outside of the Arabian peninsula. You can tell an Arab and an Aramaen apart quite easily: the Arab will look very red, full lipped, long headed, and curly haired next to an Aramaen or Roum. Gaza is primarily Arab, the West Bank includes far more Aramaens and Roum, as well as Armenians, Latins, and others.

American Nationalist
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 04:49 AM
[QUOTE=ScotchTape]I heard Lebanese and Syrian people are Phoenicians and that they have a lot of Crusaders blood. And that Saudi ARabia, Egypt and Yemen have negroid blood. Iraq has Persian blood. Then what exactly is Arab and is it actually a majority group in the Middle East?


Hmmm! could be some truth in that. I knew a girl that was a Marionite Christian, her heritage was lebonese/Syrian. This girl was lighter skinned then I and she was sandy blonde. I would never have guessed her to be arabic or middle eastern at all. Her eyes were also a shade of Blue. She was hot!

Vestmannr
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 05:37 AM
If it was true, it would show up in Y-STR DNA tests. As I recall, there is no major I or R lineages in the Levant. They do share the same Y-STR haplogroups as Greece, however (G, J, E). Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestinians and Sephardic Jews tend to cluster together. Kurds, Ashkenazi Jews, etc. are another cluster ... and Arabs cluster with Egyptians, Somalis, Yemenites, etc. Nebel did a study on this in 2001, I think it was. However, there is much more Western blood from the Roman Empire than from the Crusades. As I've pointed out before, the Christians in the Middle East are racially distinct from the Arabs, and not because of Crusader influence. The gene flow was far more towards the West as regards the Crusades. The descendants of the Crusaders mixed, and their children returned West with the failure of the Crusader states. There is little to no evidence beyond folklore for any large-scale descent from Crusaders amongst any Near Eastern/Levantine people. The Europid looking Middle Easterners are either Turkic Muslims, Armenian Christians, or Greek/Aramaic Christians. They are typically far more fair than Arab Muslims (more like the fair Turkic and Persian peoples.) They were distinct before the Arabs burst out of Arabia in the 600s.

The only communities today that would test as R or I in the Middle East would be the Russian communities (and the German communities, if they still exist.. Israel forcibly took their houses and land in Palestine in 1948 as well.)

ScotchTape
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 06:55 AM
Syria most definitely has white people. I havent seen them with my own eyes but my friends brought back pictures of people who were much whiter than even southern europeans. My friend often told me about a Syrian man at his work place who looked like my father.(I was insulted because I was in the racist phase) but when I saw the man, I could hardly believe that he was middle eastern.

Razmig
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 09:58 AM
Syria most definitely has white people. I havent seen them with my own eyes but my friends brought back pictures of people who were much whiter than even southern europeans. My friend often told me about a Syrian man at his work place who looked like my father.(I was insulted because I was in the racist phase) but when I saw the man, I could hardly believe that he was middle eastern.
Does your friend know what ethnicity the man belonged to?

Evolved
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 10:10 AM
I see 'white' Arabs every day, but not Nordic ones. :)

Razmig
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 10:22 AM
I see 'white' Arabs every day, but not Nordic ones. :)
That's a contradiction. White = Nordic, perhaps what you meant was IE Arabs. :D As opposed to the "real" semite Arabs (AKA Bedouins).

Razmig
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 10:57 AM
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Evolved
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 11:17 AM
Nordics are not the only 'whites.' :)

Glenlivet
Wednesday, April 14th, 2004, 12:05 PM
I think what Razmig meant those who descend from Anglo-Saxons and other North Western Europeans.

It is of course not the only Europid type, but it is commonly equated with "white" and "whiteness".

"If the concept of the 'white race' is a caricature, as it were, of the term Caucasoid, the Nordic race is the most obvious caricature of what we mean by white." [p. 112, Peoples of the World in Colour by Francis Huxley (1975)] ;)

The fair Syrians that I have seen have totally Armenoid or Assyroid (basically a lower skulled Armenoid with a strong Arabid element) faces. One must try to picture them with the pigmentation of their Syrian countrymen.



Nordics are not the only 'whites.' :)

Razmig
Thursday, April 15th, 2004, 10:10 AM
I think what Razmig meant those who descend from Anglo-Saxons and other North Western Europeans.

It is of course not the only Europid type, but it is commonly equated with "white" and "whiteness".

"If the concept of the 'white race' is a caricature, as it were, of the term Caucasoid, the Nordic race is the most obvious caricature of what we mean by white." [p. 112, Peoples of the World in Colour by Francis Huxley (1975)] ;)

The fair Syrians that I have seen have totally Armenoid or Assyroid (basically a lower skulled Armenoid with a strong Arabid element) faces. One must try to picture them with the pigmentation of their Syrian countrymen.

Exactly. To use such a term out of context would be hypocracy. If its intents are unification of Christian Europids, then a word with a differing deffinition should be circulated to describe such groups.

Regarding Syrians...I don't think there is a "Syrian countryman," many of the regions to its north have Armenian inhabitants (such as Aleppo and Kessablanca, completely Armenian villages). Only recently will you see such a mixture of individuals in cities, considering many of its Christians are fleeing and selling the lands to Muslims, Kurds and Tatars. Most of the major cities in the region (Tripoli, Damascus, Aleppo), have Armenoid influences, I wonder if it had anything to do with Armenoid/Metal Work, and Damascus steel?

racial_intellect
Thursday, April 15th, 2004, 07:03 PM
armenian aryanist? most armenians are dark like arabs :roll

please do not make up stuff about my nation's history , we should have bayonetted you in 1915 :)

by the way Gazi = samurai!!! tanri = tengri= tenshin!!!!

go read something about shinto ok?

tanri turku yuceltsin ve korosum!!!!

Razmig
Thursday, April 15th, 2004, 07:12 PM
armenian aryanist? most armenians are dark like arabs :roll

please do not make up stuff about my nation's history , we should have bayonetted you in 1915 :)

by the way Gazi = samurai!!! tanri = tengri= tenshin!!!!

go read something about shinto ok?

tanri turku yuceltsin ve korosum!!!!
Whats a Turk doing on skadi? siktir orospunun dolu turk lan, the son of a Harem :-O ...
Ive never seen an Armenian looking like an Arabian, but I've seen plenty muslim Turks who look like Arabs mixed with God knows what. Eshek, theres nothing being made up, I think your people make more stuff up about themselves than you would realize. Go read. :D All Altaic languages have relation, that does not make a Gazi a Samurai...Islam has nothing to do with self defence.

You've posted the picture of a mercenary, not a Gazi.

ScotchTape
Friday, April 16th, 2004, 02:44 AM
Armenoids are very distinct looking from other european types. When I say a Syrian looks white, that doesnt mean he's Armenoid.
I didn't ask the guy what ethnicity he was but he was nordid for sure.

Razmig
Friday, April 16th, 2004, 02:57 AM
Armenoids are very distinct looking from other european types. When I say a Syrian looks white, that doesnt mean he's Armenoid.
I didn't ask the guy what ethnicity he was but he was nordid for sure.
I highly doubt there existed a Nordic in Syria, he was either a Christian or simply not a Syrian. Perhaps what you meant to say was "nordish", a term designated for any europid types with individual phoenotypes and Nordic pigmentation.

Evolved
Friday, April 16th, 2004, 03:43 AM
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10573

:highfive :handclap :attila

Razmig
Friday, April 16th, 2004, 05:01 AM
:highfive :handclap :attila
:dork

Evolved
Friday, April 16th, 2004, 05:47 AM
:dork

:2gunshttp://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10665:chains aw

Razmig
Friday, April 16th, 2004, 07:07 AM
:2gunshttp://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10665:chains aw
LG, please, tell me, that you did not take the time, to draw that... :stop

:bounce


*I'm afraid I have to retaliate! I DO have hair on my head, I'm only 23...afterall, we know that the male pattern baldness in Armenians kicks in much later, around 24-25.*

:magyar :magyar http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10668&stc=1 :attila :magyar :afghan

johnnywalker
Sunday, April 18th, 2004, 09:18 PM
omg u people are hilarious

Razmig
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 12:56 AM
omg u people are hilarious
that or, sadly in need of extra carricular activities...im afraid the 2 hours i have each day have glued me to my computer =(

Evolved
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 05:28 AM
LG, please, tell me, that you did not take the time, to draw that... :stop

:bounce

:shy I gotta stop showing how much I care.. :emb

johnnywalker
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 03:17 PM
:shy I gotta stop showing how much I care.. :emblol awww.. :D

norwegian pride
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:54 PM
what are you messing about?
arabs and the rest of the muslims are black haired and eyed. they are completly inferior. i've never seen fair haired arab. they all dark shit.
MUST BE DESTROYED

zenos316
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 01:09 AM
what are you messing about?
arabs and the rest of the muslims are black haired and eyed. they are completly inferior. i've never seen fair haired arab. they all dark shit.
MUST BE DESTROYED

I dont see how a nation of what 4.5 million Norwegians is going to destroy a people of about near 1.5 billion. You Norwegians had your glorious viking days thousands of years ago, but ever since them youve been getting whipped by everyone. The English, the Germans, even the more "Nordic" Swedes.

Tommy Vercetti
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 06:11 PM
what are you messing about?
arabs and the rest of the muslims are black haired and eyed. they are completly inferior. i've never seen fair haired arab. they all dark shit.
MUST BE DESTROYED

If everything what is dark must be destroyed u should start with rubberboots and licorise

Vestmannr
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 08:49 PM
Well, looks like the Mossad Squad got to this thread too: agents making insane propositions, agents pretending to take them seriously and make equally absurd statements. Woohoo.

racial_intellect
Friday, April 23rd, 2004, 11:23 PM
i dont care about your dreams of not being a swarthy arab, dont make up my country's history

all our sultans were bonefied certified 100% pure turkish gazis, you son of a turkish raider!!!!

my family is from azerbaican!!!! you armenians destroyed our homes!! so stay away from turkiye!!! :mad


if not i will come for you!!! i was in cyprus!!! thats me in cyprus a real turkish samurai so beware!! :roll


btw i put a picture of your mother, i captured her in my last raid in the mountains east :)

Razmig
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 12:54 AM
what are you messing about?
arabs and the rest of the muslims are black haired and eyed. they are completly inferior. i've never seen fair haired arab. they all dark shit.
MUST BE DESTROYED
have you ever been to arabic speaking countries?

Razmig
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 12:58 AM
i dont care about your dreams of not being a swarthy arab, dont make up my country's history

all our sultans were bonefied certified 100% pure turkish gazis, you son of a turkish raider!!!!

my family is from azerbaican!!!! you armenians destroyed our homes!! so stay away from turkiye!!! :mad


if not i will come for you!!! i was in cyprus!!! thats me in cyprus a real turkish samurai so beware!! :roll


btw i put a picture of your mother, i captured her in my last raid in the mountains east :)
Azerbaijan did not exist 500 years ago, and it was a hoard of Turkic peoples who were living in Northern Iran (and not the Caucus)...I don't see how Armenians (a people of 3.4 million in population of Armenia, and perhaps 5000 troops in Azerbaijan), destroyed the homes of millions of Azerbaijanis (when they live in Huts and abandoned railroad carts) and kicked your ass out of Artsakhes (Nagorno Karabagh) considering your army was 50x larger than Armenias...go back to central asia if you dont want problems you filth...you should be banned for these insults.

ScotchTape
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 02:51 AM
i dont care about your dreams of not being a swarthy arab, dont make up my country's history

all our sultans were bonefied certified 100% pure turkish gazis, you son of a turkish raider!!!!

my family is from azerbaican!!!! you armenians destroyed our homes!! so stay away from turkiye!!! :mad


if not i will come for you!!! i was in cyprus!!! thats me in cyprus a real turkish samurai so beware!! :roll


btw i put a picture of your mother, i captured her in my last raid in the mountains east :)

The girls attached were beautiful. What are they?

Loki
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 08:24 AM
btw i put a picture of your mother, i captured her in my last raid in the mountains east :)

I shunned you for three days for this personal attack. Please abide by the forum rules, and debate the topic without personal slurs.

Thanks

Skadi Admin

White Preservationist
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 08:47 AM
what are you messing about?
arabs and the rest of the muslims are black haired and eyed. they are completly inferior. i've never seen fair haired arab. they all dark shit.
MUST BE DESTROYEDAgreed.

Evolved
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 10:01 AM
Agreed.

norwegian pride is banned. Please read this thread (http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=108872) if you want to know why.

Razmig
Saturday, April 24th, 2004, 12:42 PM
Agreed.
What have you agreed to? The fact that ignorance is bliss?

Getorix
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 08:32 PM
Hmmm.. Are there actually ethnic Arabs? I thought it was a linguistic group just as Semites.

The regions of the Middle East are divided by vast deserts, i don't think there would have been much interbreeding, certainly not with poeple of the Levant and Yemenites, forexample, wo are the reason why all Arabs for some reason are called "mongrels".

Sunne Æcern Bær
Wednesday, August 11th, 2004, 08:16 PM
what are you messing about?
arabs and the rest of the muslims are black haired and eyed. they are completly inferior. i've never seen fair haired arab. they all dark shit.
MUST BE DESTROYED
You are no true Norweigan, you are the 'inferior' if you knew anything you would not have said that about the Arabic people! Yes alot of 'Arabic' people now adays the ones whom have undertook darkness of this age have lots there true features because of it, original Arabs and Persian ect. have light eyes and hair!
Also and how many 'Norweigans' are true to there culture and heritage, there is very few, so don't bother going about saying non scense! You would be highly surprised what the true Aryan peoples are doing together with the Arabic brotherhood in our great fight for our Golden Age!

Axelrod
Thursday, August 12th, 2004, 05:45 PM
one of the most caucasoid of the arab peoples were the hebrews, are you to announce them as fellow aryans as well?

Getorix
Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 01:02 PM
original Arabs and Persian ect. have light eyes and hair!Eh, no.

The original Mediterranids weren't light haired and eyed either, and whatever blondness there may be down there is due to admixture.

But that still sure as hell doesn't make them unwhite, as whiteness doesn't have anything to do with hair colour. Or should i maybe say Caucasoids?


one of the most caucasoid of the arab peoples were the hebrews
What the fuck? This one doesn't make sense in any way.

Sunne Æcern Bær
Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 08:31 PM
Eh, no.

The original Mediterranids weren't light haired and eyed either, and whatever blondness there may be down there is due to admixture.

But that still sure as hell doesn't make them unwhite, as whiteness doesn't have anything to do with hair colour.
Of course you are going to say this you are under the lies of Zion you will not believe me, because you are too corrupted and lost in the darkness!!!

Getorix
Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 09:07 PM
Wait, you lost me there.

So Brunettes are a Jewish monopoly? http://img49.exs.cx/img49/1571/aha.gif

Sunne Æcern Bær
Friday, August 20th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Wait, you lost me there.

So Brunettes are a Jewish monopoly? http://img49.exs.cx/img49/1571/aha.gif

Why would you think that?!...

Abby Normal
Friday, August 20th, 2004, 10:17 PM
lol we could all use a good laugh. :D

http://www4.stormfront.org/whitehistory/nordicarabs.htm
LOL! So, apparently one can play the games "Nude Invaders," "Nude Runner" and "Girl Power" without registering for the forum? ;) Must be some kind of special "guest bonus."

I'd take a real Arab over a 'Nordic' one any day (even during Ramadan!) :)

Getorix
Saturday, August 21st, 2004, 12:04 PM
Of course you are going to say this you are under the lies of Zion you will not believe me, because you are too corrupted and lost in the darkness!!!Well, unless this was sarcasm, i really don't know how to comprehend this one...

Sunne Æcern Bær
Sunday, August 22nd, 2004, 06:35 PM
Well, unless this was sarcasm, i really don't know how to comprehend this one...
This is not sarcasm!

Getorix
Monday, August 23rd, 2004, 12:24 AM
Then would you please explain what point that passage should state?

How on Earth does what i said have anything at all to do with Zionists?

Razmig
Thursday, August 26th, 2004, 10:38 AM
one of the most caucasoid of the arab peoples were the hebrews, are you to announce them as fellow aryans as well?

were you around to know what the original shaim hebron looked like 2 thoulsand years ago before they were pillaged, raped, and relocated approximately 100 times starting with assyria?

Razmig
Thursday, August 26th, 2004, 10:44 AM
Hmmm.. Are there actually ethnic Arabs? I thought it was a linguistic group just as Semites.

The regions of the Middle East are divided by vast deserts, i don't think there would have been much interbreeding, certainly not with poeple of the Levant and Yemenites, forexample, wo are the reason why all Arabs for some reason are called "mongrels".
arabs are not an ethnicity in many cases throughout syria and lebanon (who will stab u in the face if u ever call an ARAB!)...there are also converted muslims in lebanon who have been muslim since the time of saladin...yet they are a buffer between the overwhelming 2.1 million illegal palestinian inhabitants of lebanon (and 1.2 million of lebanese, including its muslim minority!) YIKES! pretty soon, this will, and is toppling over in europe as the muslim to christian ration is quite scary indeed...

syrians can trace their roots to many different people, people who were converted and enslaved...for example, the kaliphat of baghdoud took as ransom 10,000 armenian women for harem and wivedom during the height of the armeno-arab relations...although armenia was left alone to be christian and rule itself, there were still many tributes to pay to their islamic overlords (much like balkans to turkey...just look at bosnia, it was not only a forced islamization of serbs but the settlement of turks themselves who in turk were a confusing mixture of serbs and other things including turkic tribesman)...

islamization has caused for so much confusion, as has the complex geography of the middle east...the snowy mountains to the north...the unforgiving deserts to the south and the dry hills of the east....the islands and mediterannean shores to the east etc bordering the near east...

ARAB is a language...the only true arabs (and you will hear many arab speakers say this if you ever encounter one) are the BEDOUINS of saudi arabia, jordan, yemen/oman, UAE, KUWAIT, and south iraq/syria...who are the TRUE ETHNIC ARABS...the true semites, and a people who in my book are honest, hard working and HIGHLY intelligent...the rest to me are as heavily mixed as turks, muslim bosnians or central asians

TurkehEenchUni?
Monday, September 6th, 2004, 06:07 PM
Razmig, guh desnam vor hye es (Obviously... it's not rocket science;)). Havnetsah badaskhannert myooseroon. Dagaveen shad chem gartatsadz ays forumuh, payts gamats gamats. Voch keedem eench race em (-oid), voch keedem sub-race eench eh. Amen ays panereh bedkt eh sorveem. Yes Hye yev Idalatsi em, dasneh-een daregan aghchig, yev Los Angeles gabreem, in case you wanted to know.
Ngarin mechi martuh ov gullah?

Razmig
Monday, September 6th, 2004, 10:36 PM
Razmig, guh desnam vor hye es (Obviously... it's not rocket science;)). Havnetsah badaskhannert myooseroon. Dagaveen shad chem gartatsadz ays forumuh, payts gamats gamats. Voch keedem eench race em (-oid), voch keedem sub-race eench eh. Amen ays panereh bedkt eh sorveem. Yes Hye yev Idalatsi em, dasneh-een daregan aghchig, yev Los Angeles gabreem, in case you wanted to know.
Ngarin mechi martuh ov gullah?
Gneres vorovhedev eim desak lezoun (Galacen) darper e gam ter Aremetanen. Payts anshousht yes ko Hayeren lezoun sovoradz em. Lav e vor shadonts Hayer eis miyasutyuni masen gou kan. Yev al garevor e vor Hayer sorvin eis desak sovorutyoun.

Yete gouzes, ngaret inzi hamre grnam patsadrel ko yerevi masin. Mer Hayreniken amen desak sub-racum yev racer vor gan grnam patsadrel kezi.

Yes Orange County gabrim, payts Turkia em dznvadz, Polatli 'um (poker kiughen goukank :) ).

Anyway =) In case you wanted to know that is a Dayis son (a close friend of my father) from Giligia. Both my father and him were in ARTSAKHES (Nagorno-Gharabagh). Like I said if you have any questions, I'd be glad to help along a new Armenian on our forums.

Razmig

Dobermann
Saturday, October 9th, 2004, 06:14 PM
arabs are not an ethnicity in many cases throughout syria and lebanon (who will stab u in the face if u ever call an ARAB!)...there are also converted muslims in lebanon who have been muslim since the time of saladin...yet they are a buffer between the overwhelming 2.1 million illegal palestinian inhabitants of lebanon (and 1.2 million of lebanese, including its muslim minority!) YIKES! pretty soon, this will, and is toppling over in europe as the muslim to christian ration is quite scary indeed...

syrians can trace their roots to many different people, people who were converted and enslaved...for example, the kaliphat of baghdoud took as ransom 10,000 armenian women for harem and wivedom during the height of the armeno-arab relations...although armenia was left alone to be christian and rule itself, there were still many tributes to pay to their islamic overlords (much like balkans to turkey...just look at bosnia, it was not only a forced islamization of serbs but the settlement of turks themselves who in turk were a confusing mixture of serbs and other things including turkic tribesman)...

islamization has caused for so much confusion, as has the complex geography of the middle east...the snowy mountains to the north...the unforgiving deserts to the south and the dry hills of the east....the islands and mediterannean shores to the east etc bordering the near east...

RE:ARAB is a language...the only true arabs (and you will hear many arab speakers say this if you ever encounter one) are the BEDOUINS of saudi arabia, jordan, yemen/oman, UAE, KUWAIT, and south iraq/syria...who are the TRUE ETHNIC ARABS...the true semites, and a people who in my book are honest, hard working and HIGHLY intelligent...the rest to me are as heavily mixed as turks, muslim bosnians or central asians
This is very true only these groups contain pure arab blood.Syrian's/lebanese etc are as mixed as the turk's albiet with medd's and non negroid types :)