View Full Version : Why Iceland Doesn't Have an Alt-Right Problem

Tuesday, April 4th, 2017, 12:38 PM
“With the recent rise to prominence of right-wing populist parties across Europe, it’s refreshing that Iceland has remained largely immune to such nationalistic rhetoric. On the continent, figures like Marine Le Pen in France and Geert Wilders in the Netherlands are capitalizing on what political scientists are calling a third wave of European populism that began after the international financial crisis of 2008. These parties are characterized by their anti-immigrant, and specifically, anti-Muslim sentiments. They fashion themselves the “protectors” of their homelands’ traditional culture against cosmopolitan globalism.

Yet, tiny Iceland has resisted this dirty brand of politics because of the rise of social movements that challenged the power structure of the Icelandic political establishment after the financial crisis of 2008. Unlike in other European countries, these social movements transformed themselves into a political movements, filling the vacuum of traditional center-right and center-left political parties, while also preventing far-right political projects from succeeding. …

Rather than blaming immigrants for their problems, Icelanders confronted the political class and created new parties that didn’t resemble the wave of far-right populism. Now even the government realizes that Iceland needs immigrants, skilled and unskilled, to fulfill the demand in different aspects of the Icelandic economy. Contrary to other countries in Europe, and despite its size, Iceland had been willing to receive refugees, and the number of immigrants in Iceland keeps growing year by year. In times of demagoguery, Iceland remains friendly to foreigners. One can only hope that the world learn from this small country that foreigners bring prosperity.”

Fire Sprite
Tuesday, April 4th, 2017, 01:19 PM
That high-leftwing, ultra-propaganda piece is worse than vomit. Riddled with psychological effectors and brandishing Alt-right as something akin to filth. He demonizes other countries as they retaliate against invasion. That writer is just a disgusting shill. All counts. I've heard Iceland didn't want toxic-migrants, this flies in the face of every other article I've read. I expect some 'group' will be planning to invade Iceland with a migrant overload in the coming days, that's why the usual propaganda pieces are floated before the event. To soften the blow.

Read this poisonous garbage at your own risk. Understand that it is a weapon.:thumbdown

Tuesday, April 4th, 2017, 03:08 PM
Recently there was a fake article on some North-African site that claimed that Iceland where looking for male immigrants to marry their women. Also I getting sick of these liberals who keep claiming that immigration is good for the economy. While research that I have read (https://www.bol.com/nl/p/het-immigratietaboe/1001004011575412/)* about it seems to indicate that is questionable at best. Not to mention to effect on social ties (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_D._Putnam#Diversity_and_trust_wit hin_communities) (something that liberal care little about anyway)

Also stating the governments think immigration is needed ... Really anyone who takes the effort to research it will know that most European governments make that claim. It tells the reader nothing about how the population in general think about it. Also a quick search seems to indicate that Iceland has a lower percentage of immigrants compared to other European countries. So if there is pro-immigration sentiment among the Icelanders that might change when their society becomes more 'diverse' and the general population can no longer pretend that such problems could never affect Iceland.

*Het immigratietaboe is more about how the Dutch government has frustrated research on the effects of immigration and how those who did research the issue(s) found out that the claims made by the government where inaccurate.

Tuesday, April 4th, 2017, 04:15 PM
Also a quick search seems to indicate that Iceland has a lower percentage of immigrants compared to other European countries. So if there is pro-immigration sentiment among the Icelanders that might change when their society becomes more 'diverse' and the general population can no longer pretend that such problems could never affect Iceland.

Yes, that was my immediate thought, too.
Only ~7% of Iceland's population (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iceland#Current_natural_ increase.5B7.5D) was of foreign background in 2014.
Via a quick Excel calculation, 4,5% are (Western) Slavs(not ideal but at least European), 1% (Celto-)Germanics, 0,5% other Europeans and barely 1% are from the rest of the world, mostly Asia.

As for refugees/Asylum seekers:

More than 1,000 Asylum Seekers (http://icelandreview.com/news/2016/11/30/more-1000-asylum-seekers)

The number of asylum seekers to arrive in Iceland this year reached 1,000 on Sunday, RÚV reports. That’s almost triple the number for all of last year.
“A very large proportion comes from the western Balkan countries, such as Albania, and in particular from Macedonia in November,” explained Þorsteinn Gunnarsson, division manager at the Directorate of Immigration.

Those who came from Macedonia in November made up 73 percent of the applicants this month. The reasons for that can be many, Þorsteinn remarked. “It can be an economic situation. Some sort of rumor that starts about what can be expected once they come to the country.”
Increasingly, Þorsteinn reports, asylum seekers, especially those from the western Balkan countries, withdraw their applications and decide to return to their home country. The number of applications from those countries has gone down somewhat in recent days and weeks. “We believe there is a connection between that and the fact that we’ve started employing expulsion and a ban on reentry,” Þorsteinn stated.
Som even those are at least mostly Europeans.

Icelanders have been simply little exposed to any significant extra-European immigration and simply show the usual naivity of Westerners barely familiar with non-Europeans because of which they assume "they are just like us".

But there's a trend:

Racist Discourse on Rise in Iceland (http://icelandreview.com/news/2017/02/28/racist-discourse-rise-iceland)

Racist public discourse has increased in Iceland in recent years, mostly against Muslims, according to a report by the European Commission against Racism and Intolerance, the human rights body of the Council of Europe, published today.

Although much progress has been made in Iceland, not least in terms of the rights of lesbians, gays, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people, the report suggests that many areas need improvement. The authors of the report are concerned about “increasing racist public discourse with few investigations and so far no prosecutions or convictions under hate speech legislation. Immigrants encounter problems in social integration, in learning Icelandic, access to information and lack of fair employment conditions.”

Tuesday, April 4th, 2017, 09:20 PM
Iceland has kept trouble out the door, no? No cause, no effect?

Wednesday, April 5th, 2017, 12:54 PM
Iceland just has too tiny a population to be monkeying around with any kind of 'tolerant' , 'we love everybody' , 'anybody can come here and do whatever they want' , 'we need immigrants' , and other such bullcrap sentiments and expressions. If there's any country and folk on the face of this Earth permanently under the threat of extinction it is there and them. Hopefully, the REAL! Icelanders will prevail rather than the pig or piglet who composed the article in the link (since I refuse to go visit that URL).