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Thursday, November 3rd, 2016, 06:20 AM
Chechens have long been an inspiration for me. I see all those White people totally lost and confused bout what "their culture" is and how to "preserve" it, and totally unable to organize for basic self-protection and self-interest. For the races of the Caucasus, this is an innate instinct.

For a while there was even a teip (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teip) (Chechen clan) made of Caucasus Germans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus_Germans) (there are non-ethnic Chechen teips in Chechnya as well, since this is how their society works - everyone has to be part of a teip).

Of course the Chechens are clannish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_people#Culture). The entire Caucasus region (http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/maps/Caucasus_Ethno-Linguistic_Groups_lg.jpg) is clannish!

- Via Ed West (http://twitter.com/edwestonline/status/325236584653942785)
- Via a tweet from Mark Weiner (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2013/03/13/the-rule-of-the-clan/) (links added by me): “Russia: War Destroyed Chechnya’s Clan Structure (Part 1)” (http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1098392.html)

“Moscow, 4 January 2002 (RFE/RL) — The Chechens of Russia’s North Caucasus region are a tight-knit society based on extended families, or clans, guided by a council of elders. These clans, which traditionally lived together in a single village, are called ‘taips.’ During Stalin’s infamous deportation of Chechens to Central Asia — and even now, as war and social unrest have forced thousands of Chechens to leave their home villages and scatter throughout the republic or abandon the region altogether — the links remain strong between members of a single taip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teip).

“There are more than 150 taips in Chechnya, each with its own traditions and council of elders….

“Traditionally, taip members can recall the name of their original ancestor from whom the clan originates. They can also recite the names and details about the lives and deaths — often on the battlefield — of at least seven generations of male ancestors.

“Ian Chesnov is an anthropology professor at Russia’s State Humanitarian University in Moscow. He spent several years in Chechnya studying cultural traits. Chesnov says that according to Caucasus tradition, a member of a taip is never abandoned in time of trouble. To the contrary, a taip acts as a kind of family network that makes sure all members have the support they need….

“The taip forms the core of Chechen society — and, many Chechens believe, predetermines the characteristics and personalities of its members. The perceived link between clan and character type is so strong that taips are considered a key aspect of the region’s political life as well….

“Chechnya’s taips fall into nine distinct ‘tukums (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tukkhum),’ or tribes. Legend holds that all Chechens descend from an original family of nine brothers, a belief represented by the Chechen symbol, which depicts a wolf encircled by nine stars (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_Arms_of_the_Chechen_Republi c_of_Ichkeria.svg).

Batuev describes the tukums’ function:

“‘The taips are organized in nine tukums. A tukum is a political-military union meant to function in cases of [outside] threats or aggression. [The tukums] used to unify all the [Chechen] nation and the taips.'”

“A tukum has no leader and is composed of a loose group of clans who share a common ancestry….“

So, do the Chechens inbreed (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2013/03/12/inbreeding-and-outbreeding/)/mate closely? according to the working theory (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2013/04/05/where-do-clans-come-from/) around here, they ought to if they’re clannish (and they are). we should also be able to guess that the chechens have a history of inbreeding/close mating since they live in the mountains (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasus_Mountains), and mountainous populations seem to have a tendency to inbreed (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/09/13/the-flatlanders-vs-the-mountain-people/) (see also here) — like the auvergnats (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/09/06/the-auvergnat-pashtuns/), for example.

from Mission in Chechnya (http://books.google.com/books?id=1Njnt-ZpOIYC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Mission+in+Chechnya&hl=en&sa=X&ei=BmdxUeWZJeqp4ASetIHgAQ&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false) (2002) [pg. 80] regarding some rules of the teips:

“4. Absolute marriage prohibition between members of one clan. This was the oldest rule. What caused such a prohibition? If those who are going to marry are in the same clan, they will not have numerous and healthy descendants — this is confirmed by the elders whose observation and life experience testified how negative the influence of close marriage was upon the descendants.

The others assured them that the violation of exogamy would bring dangerous illness to those who were going to marry. Marriage prohibition inside a clan is not the consequence of a legislative act. Still, up to now the Chechens try to stick to this principle. Some clans taht took the way of exogamy violation (e.g. tsada khroevstsi) were shunned by the other clans.

Why? Because a female relative of the father’s line is considered a sister of any member of the given clan. A blood relationship links with the Chechen people are so strong that they go through seven or eight generations. ‘Close’ or even ‘concerned’ relatives in the father’s line were not given the right either for marriage or for blood feud among themselves. Close relatives of the mother’s line, however, had the right for marriage and blood feud. It should be mentioned that the marriage inside the mother’s line for the first, second and the third generations was not recommended.“

And from The Chechens: A Handbook (2005) [pg. 91]:

“Exogamy and endogamy

“To ensure the good health of their offspring, a prerequisite in the harsh mountainous environment, the Chechens tabooed not only close-relative marriage on both sides, but also interdicted association with any blood relative, which included all members of a clan.

This meant that a man was constrained to seek his marriage partner from outside the clan, but from within the tribe: *taips* were strictly exogamous, whereas *tukhums* were endogamous entities. These traditional values are still adhered to even among city dwellers. Sources are not unanimous as to the prescribed degree of consanguineous removedness between potential marriage partners.

It could be that there is no uniform rule espoused by all *tukhums*. However, at least three generations is the span of disconnectedness commonly agreed upon. Some *taips* of ‘foreign’ origin do not proscribe close kin marriages, this custom hinting at non-Caucasian or Daghestani origin.”

and from Ethnography and Folklore of the Georgia-Chechnya Border: Images, Customs, Myths & Folk Tales of the Peripheries (http://books.google.com/books?id=JCAkAQAAIAAJ&q=Ethnography+and+Folklore+of+the+Georgi a-Chechnya+Border&dq=Ethnography+and+Folklore+of+the+Georg ia-Chechnya+Border&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Om1xUaiGKYeD4ASI6IG4Bg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA) (2008) [pg. 240]:

“Marriages within it are forbidden. The Kists and Ingush maintain this tradition strictly, though in Chechnya this tradition has changed under the influence of Islam. Previously, marriage to one’s third cousin was forbidden; now it is welcomed.“

Some mixed messages there, but the gist of it i think is:

– no marriage within the patrlineal clan — the teip

– you should, however, marry within the bigger tribe — the tukkhum

– you can marry maternal relatives, but probably not closer than third cousins — this cousin marriage ban is probably a holdover from when the chechens were christian [pg. 256]. in fact, third cousin marriages might even be preferred (this reminds me of the Greeks (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1/)).

All of this sounds almost exactly like the marriage systems amongst some of the populations in the Balkans (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/07/30/balkan-endogamy/), especially amongst the Albanians (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/08/05/more-on-albanians/) — i.e. avoiding paternal cousin marriage but allowing maternal (distant) cousin marriage. a bit of exogamy, but also a bit of endogamy.

size also matters. the smaller your population size, the smaller the gene pool is going to be and, so, the closer the mating ultimately — which is what matters here (i think).

There are 1,206,551 Chechens in Chechnya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya#Ethnic_groups) as of 2010 — let’s call it 1.2M. there are somewhere between 130 and 300 teips (patrlineal clans) in chechnya — let’s call it 215 (that’s right in the middle). that gives us ca. 5,580 individuals per teip.

There are nine tukkhums (the larger tribes) in chechnya. if we assume that there is the same number of teips in each tukkhum (which might not be the case), then that’s ca. 23-24 teips per tukkhum. 5,580 x 24 = 133,920 individuals in a tukkhum. how many of reproductive age (i never know this)? one quarter? one third? If it’s one quarter, you wind up with ca. 16,700 women you are allowed to marry if you’re a chechen guy. compare that to the millions you could marry in the u.s. — if you’re american.

So Chechens are close breeders. They’re a small population that marries within an even smaller tribe and may even prefer maternal third cousin marriage.

It’s no wonder, then, that they still engage in blood feuds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teip#Traditional_teip_rules_and_features ) (just like the Albanians). You’d half expect them to build tower houses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tower_houses_in_the_Balkans) for protection during clan disputes like the albanians or the maniots (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/the-maniots/).

Oh, wait (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakh_peoples#Towers).


See also: Inside the deadly Russian region the Tsnarnaev family used to call home (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/04/19/inside_the_deadly_russian_region_the_tsn arnaev_family_used_to_call_home) @foreign policy and Chechen asabiya and the Borat Brothers (http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/04/chechen-asabiya.html) from Steve Sailer. *update* – see also One Blessing Of Outbreeding (http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/one-blessing-of-outbreeding/) from Roissy.

Source: HBDChick (https://hbdchick.wordpress.com/2013/04/19/those-clannish-chechens/)

Thursday, November 3rd, 2016, 02:06 PM
The exogamy is always surprising for me as among my ancestors was a habit that they marriage with the first cousin. Furthermore someone marriaged from another village the inhabitants (and relatives) of the own village spoke badly about them.