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Ahnenerbe
Wednesday, May 11th, 2016, 10:24 AM
[...] "The idea that we are going to save ourselves from demographic collapse by outbreeding immigrants is nonsensical and dangerous. [...]I do see this idea injected into some White Nationalist narratives – that it is possible to outbreed the hordes and that should be a focal point of politics.

Goofy statements such as “if you want to save the White race, the best thing you can do is have kids” are made regularly, ignoring the reality of the situation.


It is Physically Impossible to Outbreed These People

The demographic collapse is solely due to immigration, and that point must be understood clearly. White people breeding less does not mean an end to White civilization, it simply means there will be a smaller population (and probably a more happy population, as we will get to).

Right now, there are more White people on Earth than ever before. The actual total numbers themselves are not a problem. It’s their numbers that are the issue. Not ours.


http://www.dailystormer.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/world_pop_growth_WorResInst.jpg

The population of the Third World used to be stable because they produced as many children as they needed to keep up with the rate at which they were dying.

Then, the White man went into these countries, started giving them medicines and technologies they didn’t have before, started literally feeding them like they were children incapable of getting food for themselves, and their mortality rate dropped significantly. Their fertility rate, however, remained the same.

As such, we are never going to outbreed these people. Not in our own countries, and not on a global scale as long as we continue to interfere with their natural sociobiological development.

The solution to the population boom in the third world is to stop interfering with their development through aid programs, and solution to the demographics crisis in White countries is to ban immigration.


A Smaller Population in White Countries Isn’t Really a Problem

Due to the development of technology and automation in particular, an increase in the White birthrate is not a necessity. Obviously, there is a point at which a dwindling population would become a problem, but we are nowhere near that point. Whites are still having children, even in countries like Denmark.

Right now, it is estimated that in the next 20 years 35% and possibly up to 50% of current jobs in Western countries will be lost to automation. A total restructuring of the economy is going to be needed, whatever the case, but it certainly gives the lie to the claim that immigration is needed to replace a dwindling White birthrate. That only makes sense if you believe in the model of ever-expanding GDP; [...] an increase in GDP does not correlate with an increase in the quality of life of any individual in society. That economic model is totally broken even if you believed in it, however, as there simply isn’t going to be enough work, no matter how low you drop the wages through mass immigration and currency manipulation.


Source: The Daily Stormer (http://www.dailystormer.com/will-white-babies-save-the-white-race/)




No, White Children Will Not Save Us

[...]Having White children is oftentimes even presented as the solution to our racial crisis, such as:


“White people keep complaining about White genocide, but they aren’t having children. START HAVING WHITE BABIES PEOPLE, ITS THAT SIMPLE.”

Or similar such statements.

Now this is ridiculous if taken literally. [...] It’s obviously the other way around, my friends. We adults need to fix this world now so there is a viable future for your children in the first place. If retreating to the woods and raising children properly makes you feel as you are doing something for the future of our race, I hate to break it to you, but you’re really not.

In fact, if you do that, you’ll have to hope others pull off a revolution, so there is even a habitable world for your White children in existence when they grow up.

Not to mention that it’s impossible to outbreed the non-Whites. Nationalists will only always be a small percentage of our race, so attempting to have a lot of White babies, even if we were many times our current number, would only slightly bring up the overall average.

If we had the numbers to really make a difference in that regard, than we wouldn’t have to worry about it, because we would have victory in short order. We would be able to march on Rome and snatch the keys to our people’s destiny right out of our treasonous leaders’ hands.

It’s similar to the tax protestors futile argument about not paying taxes. They will say “if ten million people quit paying their taxes tomorrow what could they do, arrest us all?” like that is some kind of brilliant revelation...

Obviously to do that ten million people would have to be organized first to carry out a coordinated effort, otherwise individually not paying taxes will have no effect at all, except getting individual people thrown into jail.

Ten million people organized would have the power to begin forcing a reform. Top down problems are solved at the top, and that is what our focus should be: toppling the whole bloody system so we can rebuild it in a way that serves our people as a whole.

The ‘have more children’ argument just seems like a very simple-minded, knee jerk, emotional reaction (‘non-Whites are outbreeding us, therefore we must breed more – problem solved!’) to a much more complicated issue.

The root of the issue, as has been pointed out frequently in recent days, is the introduction and acceptance of feminism in western society, and the subsequent emasculation of White men resulting from it.

Would proud, masculine White men allow their women to copulate with monkeys right in front of their faces?

Would proud, masculine White men allow our enemies to use the excuse that ”we are not breeding enough, therefore we should allow millions of non-Whites to come and take over our country”?

Would our enemies even have the ‘chutzpah’ to try something so insane on a proud, masculine people? “Wait, we should allow tens of millions of hostile savages to invade and occupy our land because of what?”

If the 700 million or so White children who have already been born can’t stop the imminent genocide we are facing, what good will more of them do? Do we even deserve for our race to survive in this current state? Are we even worthy of White children after we have failed so thoroughly? Why should they suffer because we are so pathetic?

A White race 700 million strong could dominate the entire planet with its hands tied behind its back if it were again in control of its own destiny.

Let’s keep in mind the one fact that the Jews work around the clock to try and hide from us: 80 million White people, freed from Jewish control and under proper leadership, almost conquered the world.

Hitler came to power in Germany and simply dismantled Jewish influence in banking and media, and issued debt free currency backed by the hard work of the White German people, and this turned Germany into the world’s foremost superpower in a very short time while the rest of the world was still in a depression. They then proceeded to fight a war against basically the entire world and almost won.

Hitler never had children but he took control of Germany and then instituted policies that facilitated a massive increase of them. So he was responsible for millions of German babies, without actually having had any himself.

Likewise, If White men today regain control of our people’s destiny – and this will probably be done by a very small percentage of them – they could then do the same and be indirectly responsible for the revival and survival of the White race, whether or not they individually had children or not. And I’m tired of this argument being used as a weapon, virtually unchallenged. It’s often claimed that persons with pro-White views that don’t have White children have no authority to speak on any pro-White issues, like they’re some kind of hypocrites for doing so.

[...] Will British people solve the Paki rape problem by having more children, or will that just be more children to be potentially raped by Pakis if the Paki problem is not soon solved by men for the sake of the children?


The 'Raising Your Children Racialist' Theory

I’ve also come to believe that the concept of having children and raising them racialist is basically a myth. I could be wrong on this, as I am just going by what I have observed and my experiences interacting with other racialists.

If the raising your children racialist theory is accurate, then where are the millions of White people who were born to White racists of previous generations? They should be on the front lines with us now, right? The racists who were fighting against forced busing and forced integration in America in the 60s, and who watched the Blacks burn down hundreds of cities at that time, certainly wouldn’t be surprised to see Ferguson and Baltimore today, would they? Again, where are their children in this fight?

William Pierce’s son disowned him. Don Black’s son disavowed racism. Other racists I know have children who still have a good relationship with them but just simply think their dad’s racist views are some kind of funny quirk with maybe a bit of truth to them.

Top racist George Lincoln Rockwell had seven children. His wife left him cold and then married a rich Icelandic business tycoon who, along with their son Björgólfur Thor Björgólfsson – the “first billionaire in Iceland” – plundered that country financially, and were largely responsible for its 2008 economic crash. One of his daughters married a Japanese guy and their son is the famous half-Japanese professional football player Björgólfur Hideaki Takefusa.

[...]Comforting ourselves by just having children, or wasting valuable time and energy trying to find a good woman in order to have children to feel like you are doing your part for the "14 Words" is folly, in my opinion. And again, I am not against "having White children", I just don’t think it is as much of a priority as many seem to think it is, and believe the idea is quite possibly just a distraction at this point.


Source: The Daily Stormer (http://www.dailystormer.com/no-white-children-will-not-save-us/)


European demography is a total non-issue. There has never been as many Europeans as there are today. The issue is that we can't control a given territory for our own race.

Look at the famous case of Japan. Their population is planned to decrease from 120 million to 80 million in 2055 or so. Then people go apeshit about that, like "Japan is going to disappear...!"In reality, that's still much more than were alive in 1945!

https://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=111615&stc=1&d=1462959127

So all this anxiety about demographics is more of a knee-jerk, emotional reaction. It's just existential anxiety.

We aren't going to outbreed the nonwhites. The challenge is not how to breed more Whites, but either:

- stop the nonwhites from breeding
- secure a territory for white people, (to paraphrase that famous redneck racist slogan)

Japan for instance is not afraid of Moslems, since they simply don't allow them in. Simple as that. We just have this sickness of misplaced altruism within the White race that we have to address.

Englisc
Wednesday, May 11th, 2016, 03:52 PM
The global population is over 7 billion: Under 1 billion of which are white. Outbreeding non-whites is pretty much impossible on

There is a problem with fertility rates in the West. Our society is built for a rising or stagant population - a falling population is a problem. Single children are tasked with caring for both their parents and children. Most seriously, retirement programmes will either need to be cut, or taxes on working people will have to be raised.

I would try to raise the fertility rate to between 2 and 3 children per woman on average. It does not need to be higher than that. It must be remembered higher birth rates in the past were partially a result of the fact many kids died young, and each child needed less resources infected. The economy etc. has changed now and infant mortality is much lower.

Sigurd
Monday, November 7th, 2016, 04:12 AM
That's simply wrong. 'Having White Babies' will be a necessity - and people with a sound mind & world-view will find that most of their children will adopt a somewhat similar world-view. Skimming the data for exceptions to the rule won't help, most children will take after their parents at least on a good part of their outlooks on life, oftentimes including the political sphere to some extent.

At least if they act like normal, proper people, I can't see people turn away to 'rebel' against their parents like they did twenty or thirty years ago; in every Nationalist, Patriotic et. al. family I keep contact with, the children take that legacy forth.

The over-population and the 'a world like this' argument are often used by childless Nationalists to justify the end of their ancestral line under some form of ideological cloak. The same as the 'have many white children' argument is often used by lethargic Nationalists to justify their lethargy on political activism.

Ideally, a Nationalist should stride to achieve all of economic self-sufficiency, self-education and educating others, spend much time on greenroots activism, and found a family --- and at least achieve three of them to mentionable extent. ;)

Wulfaz
Monday, November 7th, 2016, 09:42 AM
The interesint is that the Europids were the largest Race in this Planet cca. one hundred years ago. There are many reason that is why has changed, but this is a fact that the modern, single society want not children as in the rural pre-modern societies in the Thrid World the children is a valeu, a pride for the family.

Another problem that in the Western World the Nationalist are under repression, hence they have a handicap to make a family side by side the Globalist Liberal sheep can get job easily and they are not signed as an evil nazi who want kill more 6 million jews. I have experienced the Leftist claim everybody as nazi who is rightist. F.e. here in Hungary the libral-conservative PM, Viktor Orbán is often claimed as a nazi, but he nothing to do with the nacional socialismus. The radical nationalist Jobbik is claimed nazi too, however it is a nacionalistic populist party. Here are some idiot whos use to parade Hungarian nazi uniforms, but they are idiot clown with maybe mental hygenicall problems and they are under totally control of the State Police. However the Leftist or the Liberal Right media never speak about them, because the people know that they idiot are nazis and the FIDESZ and the Jobbik is not.

Ceterum censeo the main problem the repression of the nationalists, the conservatives, hence they can not founding a family.

Georgia
Tuesday, December 20th, 2016, 05:15 PM
Ideally, a Nationalist should stride to achieve all of economic self-sufficiency, self-education and educating others, spend much time on greenroots activism, and found a family --- and at least achieve three of them to mentionable extent.


So true, Sigurd. The number one achievement must be economic self-sufficiency, then having a family. The family is the Keimzelle of a Volk. Without the family
a Volk, any Volk, will eventually die and will be replaced by strangers.
And of course once one has a family, it is important to think clearly as the laws in Germany are so suppressive for anyone with national pride.

Georgia:)

"Our fathers should have made their stand against Free Soil in 1820, instead of joining the wretched Missouri Compromise; we were strong then, and should have settled the point once and for all. Again, our enemies came near electing their man in 1856, we should have taken warning, and spent the interval of Mr. Buchanan's weak, pacific administration in arming effectually. Neglecting this, we should have remained quiet when Lincoln went in, and employed the respite at last in arming thoroughly." ~ Robert L. Dabney

SaxonCeorl
Wednesday, December 21st, 2016, 01:02 AM
- secure a [B]territory for white people, (to paraphrase that famous redneck racist slogan)

Japan for instance is not afraid of Moslems, since they simply don't allow them in. Simple as that. We just have this sickness of misplaced altruism within the White race that we have to address.

This, this, a thousand times this. Keeping them out would be 100% effective; now it's up to us do so.

Ingvaeonic
Wednesday, December 21st, 2016, 03:45 AM
The global population is over 7 billion: Under 1 billion of which are white. Outbreeding non-whites is pretty much impossible on

There is a problem with fertility rates in the West. Our society is built for a rising or stagant population - a falling population is a problem. Single children are tasked with caring for both their parents and children. Most seriously, retirement programmes will either need to be cut, or taxes on working people will have to be raised.

I would try to raise the fertility rate to between 2 and 3 children per woman on average. It does not need to be higher than that. It must be remembered higher birth rates in the past were partially a result of the fact many kids died young, and each child needed less resources infected. The economy etc. has changed now and infant mortality is much lower.

My italics and bold: Ing.

Exactly! Very true.

Ahnenerbe
Thursday, December 22nd, 2016, 02:24 AM
Another - overlooked - advantage of negative population growth (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_Population_Growth) would be the quick lowering of real estate prices, and therefore, less need for work and accumulation of capital.