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Aedan
Monday, July 2nd, 2012, 09:38 PM
I can admit to enjoying reading Plato or Euripedes. There is some wisdom there. Same with the Sages, like Solon.

I am not saying we consider them Germanic or incorporated, but for the opinions of fellow heathens herein if they have appreciated the wisdom traditions of the Greeks.

I would appreciate thoughts on the subject.

renownedwolf
Monday, July 2nd, 2012, 09:51 PM
Very much so, alot of the traditional wisdoms overlap with our own. I think anybody with a head on their shoulders would do well to read up. More a fan of Spartan idealism than other Greeks myself.

Sjoerd
Monday, July 2nd, 2012, 11:18 PM
I have delved into the work of Greek philosophers such as Socrates, Plato, and Aristotle.

I also find the Pre-Socratic philosophy in ancient Greece to be intriguing as well.

However, I am not without my disagreements and criticisms. Especially regarding Plato's "Republic."

All the criticisms of Plato are valid. He raises straw arguments. He manipulates discussions unfairly. He doesn't offer realistic solutions. And so on.

But he is still, and for very good reason, one of the most influential philosophers in Western civilization. He makes people think. Most authors we read today are trying to persuade us to agree with their point of view. Plato, not so. He wants you to disagree with him. He wants you to argue with him. He wants you to identify the fallacies in his arguments (and some are deliberately fallacious). In short, he wants you to do the most difficult intellectual exercise there is. He wants you to think, and to think deeply.

The other thing to realize about Plato is that he is an exquisite poet and craftsman. There is nothing accidental about what he writes; there is nothing superfluous.

Of course, I also love reading the work of Arthur Schopenhauer, Martin Heidegger, Søren Kierkegaard, Peter Wessel Zapffe, etc... etc...

Primus
Tuesday, July 3rd, 2012, 12:45 AM
What is there to fear from Greek philosophy?

Sven
Tuesday, July 3rd, 2012, 08:18 PM
Nothing wrong with Greek philosophy at all. Most western philosophers were influenced by the early Greeks, Nietzsche first and foremost and the contributions of Thales, Anaximander etc. were invaluable to the beginning of modern science. As a matter of fact I truely believe that not only is there nothing wrong with the Greek classics but anybody who strives to build a better understanding of our own history and culture should indeed study them thoroughly.

Primus
Tuesday, July 3rd, 2012, 08:20 PM
Nothing wrong with Greek philsophy at all. Most western philosophers were influenced by the early Greeks, Nietzsche first and foremost and the contributions of Thales, Anaximander etc. were invaluable to the beginning of modern science. As a matter of fact I truely believe that not only is there nothing wrong with the Greek classics but anybody who strives to build a better understand of our own history and culture should indeed study them thoroughly.

Do you have a particular school that you admire? For me it's obviously the Stoics, as I've posted about them extensively here and on other boards. :)

Sven
Tuesday, July 3rd, 2012, 08:41 PM
Do you have a particular school that you admire? For me it's obviously the Stoics, as I've posted about them extensively here and on other boards. :)

I have a lot of respect for all pre-socratic thought but it has got to be the Milesian School I admire the most. I think the ideas of Arche and Apeiron are truely revolutionary, back then as much as today. I'm currently working my way through W. K. C. Guthrie's A History of Greek Philosophy, an extraordinary work of scholarship if I may say so :thumbup

Primus
Tuesday, July 3rd, 2012, 09:13 PM
I have a lot of respect for all pre-socratic thought but it has got to be the Mileasian School I admire the most. I think the ideas of Arche and Apeiron are truely revolutionary, back then as much as today. I'm currently working my way through W. K. C. Guthrie's A History of Greek Philosophy, an extraordinary work of scholarship if I may say so :thumbup

What's truly unfortunate is that much of the pre-Socratic material is lost or fragmentary. My favorite pre-Socratic philosopher is Heraclitus and his theory of the logos- fascinating! :)

aratus
Tuesday, July 3rd, 2012, 09:33 PM
my friend Sven!
I understand what's going on in germany nowadays. the known newspaper has targeted the greek spirit once more and everyone imitates that.At the same time, at the CERN-experiment once again the greek philosophical thought proved to be right. The theories of Democritus and Hipparchus about the origins of the universe and OUR PERCEPTION of it proved right after ca. 3000 years! and what about Plato's cave allegory?
i could go on for ages, but isn't the culture of the Abendland founded on the classical greek and roman philosophy?

we want to change that? and substitute it with what exactly?
philosophy of cabbalah may be? or philosophy of the mammon?( money) or may be jehovas?

the dicline of classical studies matches the decline of the white world :~(...so I beg you! reconcider!