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Johnson
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 04:51 AM
According to the reports, priests were photographed fondling and kissing trainee priests and pornographic images were found on the seminary computers. The school director and his deputy have resigned.

It also reported that a police investigation had uncovered as many as 40,000 images and videos - some allegedly including child pornography - on computers at the seminary.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3887033.stm
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040712.waust0712/BNStory/International/
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/07/12/seminary.porn.ap/index.html

Catholic Church officials say they won't help Interpol find molester

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/nation/9146833.htm
http://www.team4news.com/Global/story.asp?S=2034955

Managua, Nicaragua-AP -- A Costa Rican priest fleeing sexual molestation charges apparently has entered Nicaragua and is being sought.

National Police spokeswoman Miriam Torres says the Reverend Enrique Vasquez is being sought on an Interpol warrant on behalf of Costa Rican officials.

The Dallas Morning News profiled Vasquez in June as part of a series following a yearlong investigation of runaway Roman Catholic priests.

Vasquez fled Costa Rica after a criminal complaint was filed by the mother of a boy he allegedly molested.

Catholic priests in weekly abuse claims

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1259687,00.html

LONDON (Reuters) - An average of one Roman Catholic priest every week is accused of sexual abuse in England and Wales last year but none has been prosecuted and all but two are still in their jobs, a report has said.

A further 10 allegations were made of physical, emotional or other abuse by priests, volunteers and employees of the church, bringing total complaints for the year to 62, according to the report by the Catholic Office for the Protection of Children

There were also 51 reports of "inappropriate behaviour" towards children which were dealt with internally by the church after consultation with police and social services.

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3193801

Between 1995 and 1999, 21 of the 5,600 Catholic priests in England and Wales were convicted of offences against children.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/13/nabus13.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/07/13/ixhome.html

The Roman Catholic Church admitted yesterday that 62 allegations of child abuse were made against its clergy and workers last year.

The disclosure came from the unit set up to combat paedophile activity among Catholic priests in England and Wales after a series of scandals shook the Church.

The 62 complaints - mostly concerning alleged sexual abuse - were referred to the police after they were made about priests, members of religious orders, employees and volunteers.

In addition, 51 reports of "inappropriate behaviour" towards children were dealt with internally by the Church after consultation with police and social services.

Fugitive Catholic brother in United States faces charges but not extradition

http://canadaeast.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040713/CPA/55928029

ST. JOHN'S, Nfld. (CP) - A Roman Catholic brother living in the United States who faces child sex charges in Newfoundland will be arrested immediately should he ever return to Canada.

But Canadian prosecutors are not seeking the extradition of Gerald Chumik, who has been identified by a U.S. newspaper as one of 30 fugitive priests, brothers and other religious workers living in the U.S. facing sex abuse accusations in other countries.

Chumik, who lives in a Catholic religious complex overlooking the Pacific Ocean in Santa Barbara, Calif., was charged in 1990 with two child sex offences dating back to the 1970s.

Roman Catholic Church Lawsuit

http://www.keloland.com/NewsDetail2817.cfm?Id=22,33264
http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/9138197.htm

A lawsuit filed against the Catholic church in South Dakota alleges clergy abused hundreds of students at Native American boarding schools.

The students say they were beaten, even tortured by priests and nuns who ran the schools.

The allegations of abuse span decades, from the 1930s until about 1975.

The lawsuit filed today involves the St. Paul school on the Yankton Sioux Reservation and the St. Francis School on the Rosebud Reservation.

Group calls for nuns to address sex abuse

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/ny-bc-ct--nuns-sexabuse0713jul13,0,1069488.story?coll=n y-ap-regional-wire

SILVER SPRING, Md. -- Religious orders of nuns need to do more to root out sexual abuse by their members, help victims and set up safeguards to prevent future sexual misconduct, according to an advocacy group for victims of clergy abuse.

Members of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, or SNAP, delivered a letter Tuesday to a national nun organization calling for more attention on abuse by women in the Roman Catholic Church. Most of the recent abuse scandals have focused on male clergy members.

http://www.wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=2035102&nav=3YeXOkuH

Three cases against Tucson diocese dismissed

http://www.fox11az.com/news/local/stories/KMSB-20040713-dsbp-diocese.2f612bef8.html
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=local&story_id=071204a1_diocese

Thousands of parishioners in the Catholic Diocese of Tucson got the official word for the first time from their priests at Mass yesterday and Saturday that bankruptcy appears likely for the diocese.

Chapter 11 protection is being considered by the diocese, which faces an unknown amount of present and future damage claims alleging sexual abuse by its priests and other employees, according to Bishop Gerald F. Kicanas.

http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=2025443
http://www.dailystar.com/dailystar/dailystar/29618.php

Abuse victims say church offer to pay for therapy has strings

http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/politics/9145210.htm

PHILADELPHIA - Almost a decade after he was allegedly sexually abused by a priest at his Roman Catholic high school, Arthur Baselice hoped he was on the way to recovery when church officials sought him out, apologized, and offered to pay for him to see a therapist.

But within months, Baselice said he began to see strings attached to the offer.

The Archdiocese of Philadelphia asked him to select his therapist from a list approved by the church. He was told to sign a waiver authorizing his caregivers to discuss his progress with a church administrator. Finally, Baselice said he was pressured to settle all legal claims against the church for $50,000.

Instead of signing, Baselice sued, claiming that the counseling offer was a thinly veiled attempt to buy his silence.

Catholic Priest Accused of Swindling Elderly Parishioner

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_071304_priestheist.html

(Upper East Side-WABC, July 13, 2004) — A Manhattan priest is facing a major lawsuit today. He is accused of using his spiritual influence to swindle an elderly parishioner out of nearly half a million dollars.

Eighty-eight year old Rose Pale was a devoted parishioner. She attended mass every day. The lawsuit says the monsignor at Saint John The Martyr Church on the Upper East Side betrayed her trust.

The lawsuit says that Monsignor John Wolsey had Pale sign over $495,000 dollars in cash and stocks over three years. He also advised her on her stock portfolio, convincing her to drop her broker of 20 years and use his brokerage firm. All the while, he allegedly told Pale not to tell family and friends.

The suit alleges Wolsey received $100,000 dollars for a Jersey Shore condo. It also says that he took church donations and used them for personal use.

Priest orgy scandal hits Catholic church

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/07/14/2003178944

The powerful Austrian Catholic church was plunged into its second big sex scandal in a decade on Monday when a seminary run by arch-conservatives was alleged to be the site of orgies among young priests and their teachers.

The seminary in St Polten, west of Vienna, comes under the authority of the conservative Bishop Kurt Krenn.

The Vienna news magazine Profil has published pictures of priests and students engaged in sexual acts, prompting an uproar, emergency meetings of the church leadership, and calls for Bishop Krenn's resignation.

Victims' group wants friar accused of abuse out of church housing

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/peninsula/9146618.htm

Los Angeles-AP -- Church abuse survivors called on Cardinal Roger Mahony today to remove from the Santa Barbara Mission in California an elderly friar who is accused of molesting a teen in Canada.

Members of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests demanded Franciscan friar Gerald Chumik, who is 69, be sent back to his native Canada to face charges of enticing a teenage boy to perform oral sex.

The group alleged the Chumik case is an example of a larger church policy of secrecy and foot-dragging in response to allegations of clergy abuse.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1089630064988&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968705899037
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/071204dnprochumik.1e4a9.html

Priest Faces Sex Charge in Luzerne County

http://www.wnep.com/Global/story.asp?S=2032582&nav=5ka4OjUF

A Roman Catholic priest in Luzerne County is accused of propositioning a young man for a sex act.

Police said it happened early last month in Hazleton. They said Reverend Samuel Perrins, 47, a priest at Most Precious Blood Church in Hazleton, approached a young man on Mine Street and offered money for oral sex. The man declined and, according to investigators, Reverend Perrins made a second proposition. Again the man declined and then called police. Perrins was later arrested.

The priest was removed from his position at the church after diocesan leaders learned of the arrest.

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/9139870.htm

That is all for July 13, 2004.

Johnson
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 05:22 AM
Kalamazoo Catholic Diocese priest on administrative leave

(Kalamazoo, July 14, 2004, 5:00 p.m.) A priest in the Kalamazoo Catholic Diocese has agreed to go on administrative leave while church officials investigate some "financial irregularities."

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2039825&nav=0RceOn8U
http://www.mlive.com/news/kzgazette/index.ssf?/base/news-0/1089732286194500.xml

Defrocked Catholic priest sentenced to 20 years in prison

http://www.team4news.com/Global/story.asp?S=2036792
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/071404dnnatpriest.e879.html
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA071404.1B.ProbationRevocation.74a781 b.html

San Antonio-AP -- A former Catholic priest serving probation for molesting four high school seminary students is going to prison.

A state district judge in San Antonio has revoked Carlos Lozano's the ten-year probationary term and sentenced him to 20 years in prison.

Judge Phil Kazen acted after porn was allegedly found on Lozano's home computer hard drive.

Bishop in Austrian sex scandal refuses to quit

http://www.startribune.com/stories/484/4876612.html
http://www.iht.com/articles/529416.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4310595,00.html
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/world/9151638.htm

VIENNA, Austria (AP) - An official with the Archdiocese of Vienna urged the Vatican on Wednesday to oust a Roman Catholic bishop in charge of a seminary where candidates for the priesthood hoarded child pornography and photos of themselves kissing and fondling each other.

The cleric, Bishop Kurt Krenn, dismissed the photos as part of a ``schoolboy prank'' and accused critics of exaggerating the case - the worst church scandal in Austria since allegations of pedophilia brought down a cardinal nearly a decade ago.

Police examined hard drives on computers seized at the seminary in St. Poelten, 50 miles west of Vienna, as part of a child pornography investigation.

Officials said the discs contained some 40,000 photographs and numerous videos, including child pornography and photos of young seminarians kissing and fondling each other and their older instructors and engaging in sex games.

Allegation causes principal to stand aside

http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5478,10143591%255E1702,00.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200407/s1154212.htm
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/14/1089694428263.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200407/s1154094.htm

A Catholic priest has stood aside from his position as principal of a Port Pirie Catholic school in South Australia because of an allegation of abuse made against him.

Catholic Education South Australia says it was made aware of the allegation against Father Michael Aulsebrook two weeks ago.

It says Fr Aulsebrook stood aside as principal of Saint Mark's College immediately.

Ex-nun convicted in molestation of child

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apus_story.asp?category=1110&slug=BRF%20Nun%20Sex%20Abuse
http://www.wnep.com/Global/story.asp?S=2040556
http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-va--nun-sexabuse0714jul14,0,5367289.story?coll=d p-headlines-virginia
http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=2038414&nav=23iiOmSh

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- A former nun was convicted Wednesday of molesting a 10-year-old fifth-grader at a Catholic school 35 years ago.

Eileen M. Rhoads, 65, entered an Alford plea to taking indecent liberties with a child and enticement of a child. Under the plea, a defendant acknowledges there is enough evidence for a conviction without admitting wrongdoing.

Rhoads faces up to 10 years in prison when she is sentenced Sept. 22. She will remain free on bail until then.

The crimes took place during the 1969-1970 school year at St. Gregory the Great Catholic School. Court documents show Rhoads took part in illicit behavior with at least three male students and a female student, or encouraged the children to engage in illicit behavior with each other.

That is all for July 14th, 2004.

Northern Paladin
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 06:55 AM
The Problem is celibacy and the fact they don't say no to gays joining the Priesthood. Maybe now with all the Parishs filing for bankruptcy the Church will realize the importance of not letting homos in the priesthood as well as changing their Canon Law when it comes to Celibacy.
Those Priests should all be locked up for good if not given a lethal injection.

Milesian
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 11:17 AM
The Problem is celibacy and the fact they don't say no to gays joining the Priesthood. Maybe now with all the Parishs filing for bankruptcy the Church will realize the importance of not letting homos in the priesthood as well as changing their Canon Law when it comes to Celibacy.
Those Priests should all be locked up for good if not given a lethal injection.

The problem isn't celibacy.
However you are correct that homosexual infiltration is a major problem (that an Freemasons, Communists, and other Anti-Catholics).

I spoke with a girl who is a Traditional Catholic. Her boyfriend had been in a seminary training to be a priest, but himself and the others heterosexual novices found their life made impossible by the homosexuals who were also in control of the college.

Again, this has all been planned for over a century (re: The Alta Vendita document) in order to bring Christendom to it's knees (pardon the pun ;) )

It's good news for people with an irrational hatred of the Church in order to jump on the bandwagon and start calling for an end to Christianity.
Although I have never seen anyone calling for an end to the evil Scout movement or Health Service when umpteen scout leaders or doctors have been accused of abusing those in their charge.

What we need to do is to have a clear out of the Church Hierarchy, remove all the subversives and sodomites, and bring them to justice.

Once again, I appeal for an Inquisition, which is long overdue :)

Phlegethon
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 05:16 PM
Celibacy is a basic principle of Catholicism and has to be maintained.
The problem is that nowadays people are spoiled, unethical and don't know anything about sacrifice. That's not a problem of the Catholic Church, but a problem of the 21st century in general.

Moody
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 06:21 PM
I think the problem is Christianity itself.

Placing all your worship in a masochistic young man and his jealous father is a recipe for Gayness.

The few Catholics I have spoke to all exude a homosexualised sanctimoniousness.

Phlegethon
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 06:33 PM
That's more of a widespread British phenomenon.

Northern Paladin
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 06:54 PM
Celibacy is a rather recent phenomenon. But I don't think the problem is Celibacy. The Priesthood has always been an attractive "vocation" for Homosexuals and Child Molestors because of the position of trust the Priest has.

Moody
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 07:05 PM
That's more of a widespread British phenomenon.

You agree with me then.
I was reminded of a Catholic student I knew who was thinking of going into the priest hood and he was a RAMPANT gay!

And when he spoke of Jesus [in that very Catholic way] it had the same odour of homosexuality.

I think the chap ended up going into "gay-rights" instead.

Don't you have such Gay Catholic Jesus freaks in Germany too?

Phlegethon
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 07:13 PM
While I know many gay Britons I do not know one single gay Catholic priest.

Milesian
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 07:13 PM
You agree with me then.
I was reminded of a Catholic student I knew who was thinking of going into the priest hood and he was a RAMPANT gay!

And when he spoke of Jesus [in that very Catholic way] it had the same odour of homosexuality.

I think the chap ended up going into "gay-rights" instead.

Don't you have such Gay Catholic Jesus freaks in Germany too?

So because you've met a "few" (your own admission) Catholics who seemed to you to exude a kind of "homosexual sanctimoniousness" and one who you claim was gay and wwas going to enter the priesthood (not suprising considering the current state of the Church), then Christianity as a whole is the problem?

Interesting hypothesis :)

What do you believe in, Moody, if I may be so bold to ask?

Stríbog
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 07:33 PM
I'll call your bluff. The Boy Scouts should be abolished. :D Seriously, they promote mindless patriotism, flag idolatry, and all sorts of mind-numbing Americanisms.

Moody
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 07:41 PM
So because you've met a "few" (your own admission) Catholics who seemed to you to exude a kind of "homosexual sanctimoniousness" and one who you claim was gay and wwas going to enter the priesthood (not suprising considering the current state of the Church), then Christianity as a whole is the problem?

Interesting hypothesis :)

What do you believe in, Moody, if I may be so bold to ask?

I like to think of myself as a philosopher, and so regard belief itself as a philosophical problem.
I am fascinated by Aryan spirituality, though.

My mother was a Catholic and she actually went to convent school [although my father was Church of England], so I know a bit about the very ATMOSPHERE of Catholicism.

I think Catholicism has a peculiarly Homo-Erotic nature that perhaps isn't seen by those within it.

Its worship of this tragic and beautiful young man who subjects himself to a masochistic [maso-christic?] kind of virtual suicide is beloved of Gays!
But it was always a SUBLIMATED Gay Story, that Christ story.
Homosexuals in the Catholic church could enjoy this intense gay fantasy without consumating their lust ... but now ...

http://www.shepherds-of-christ.org/imageprint/pieta.jpg

As I said, the devout Catholic I knew saw no real disjunction between his Man-Love and his Jesus-Love - and I doubt that he is unusual.

Look how the AIDS campaign used this Jesus-like Image;

http://www.grg23-alterlaa.ac.at/menschenrechte/toscani/aidskranker%2092.jpg

Was Jesus Gay?

Milesian
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 08:24 PM
I like to think of myself as a philosopher, and so regard belief itself as a philosophical problem.
I am fascinated by Aryan spirituality, though.

Any particular branch of "Aryan Spirituality" or just all of it in general (from the various European branches, through the Eurasian part down to India and the Rig Veda, etc) ?


My mother was a Catholic and she actually went to convent school [although my father was Church of England], so I know a bit about the very ATMOSPHERE of Catholicism.

But you didn't actually attend yourself though? So it's a kind of 2nd-hand ethos so to speak? Of course unless she attended at the beginning of the 20th century, it's mostly likely she was imbued with a more "Modernist" ethos


I think Catholicism has a peculiarly Homo-Erotic nature that perhaps isn't seen by those within it.

Its worship of this tragic and beautiful young man who subjects himself to a masochistic [maso-christic?] kind of virtual suicide is beloved of Gays!

O Tempore! O Mores! For more innocent times gone by! :)
It's quite possible that homosexuals do enjoy it. I know many of them also have a fetish for the whole Nazi imagery too. There isn't much I can do about that I'm afraid. Of course, the sacrifice and resurrection are central to the theology, but there's more to it than that. I doubt gays enjoy the warnings against "sexual immorality" or the story about the sexually depraved of Sodom and Gomorrah meeting a fiery end. ;)

Seeing the thing as homo-erotic probably says more about the times we live in now, than about the story of Jesus. He died for women as well as men.
I don't specifically remember Jesus being dexcribed as beautiful, and there is nothing ultimately tragic about it for he rose from the dead and ascended into glory.


But it was always a SUBLIMATED Gay Story, that Christ story.
Homosexuals in the Catholic church could enjoy this intense gay fantasy without consumating their lust ... but now ...

Good for them, plenty of heterosexual people find it quite palatable too :)
I agree though, that homosexuals within the clergy are now scandalising the Church. That is deplorable and an entire discussion in of itself




As I said, the devout Catholic I knew saw no real disjunction between his Man-Love and his Jesus-Love - and I doubt that he is unusual.

What makes you say that? I personally haven't met any Catholic who thinks like that. Of course with the unabated liberalisation and PC attitude of everything (religion included) then unfortunately we might see such blasphemous attitudes become more prevalent :(


Look how the AIDS campaign used this Jesus-like Image;

http://www.grg23-alterlaa.ac.at/menschenrechte/toscani/aidskranker%2092.jpg

Wasn't that imagine from the ad campaign of United Colours of Benneton?
I know they ran similar sick ads, which provoked a storm of criticism from the Church. In any case, the Church has no control over what images advertisers use. Very often, blasphemy is used to gain extra PR coverage


Was Jesus Gay?

Doubtful. It would be quite an oversite for God to make it clearly sinful and then make a gay son :D

Johnson
Friday, July 16th, 2004, 12:42 AM
More.

More calls for Austrian bishop's ouster

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1089886448115&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968705899037

VIENNA, Austria — Two influential Roman Catholic organizations today joined other groups demanding the resignation of a bishop in charge of a seminary where officials uncovered a massive stash of child pornography.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3897449.stm

The bishop in charge of an Austrian diocese at the heart of a sex scandal is resisting calls to resign.
Several pressure groups have called on Bishop Kurt Krenn to quit, after child pornography was allegedly found at a Catholic priests' training college.

Bishop Alois Schwarz urged the Vatican to intervene, saying only the Church itself could resolve the crisis.

As many as 40,000 sexual images were allegedly found, but Bishop Krenn has dismissed them as a "schoolboy prank".

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040715_813.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0407150295jul15,1,2965179.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

Hearing opens today on more than 150 sex-abuse cases

More than 150 lawsuits against Catholic dioceses in Northern California have been bundled into a litigious mega-case filed on the behalf of men and women who say they were sexually abused by priests when they were growing up decades ago in Catholic churches from Santa Rosa to Monterey.

Today, dozens of lawyers with their own stake in those claims will gather in Oakland when Alameda County Superior Court Judge Ronald Sabraw hears key pre-trial motions.

The combined lawsuits are known as "Clergy Three." "Clergy One" and "Clergy Two" represent hundreds of additional abuse claims that have been filed and combined in Los Angeles and San Diego.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2004/07/15/BAG3C7LGP01.DTL

Former nun convicted of 2 felony sex crimes

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- A former nun was convicted yesterday of molesting a 10-year-old Grade 5 pupil at a Roman Catholic school 35 years ago. Eileen Rhoads, 65, entered a plea of taking indecent liberties with a child and enticement of a child. Under the plea, a defendant acknowledges there is enough evidence for a conviction without admitting wrongdoing.

MALE, FEMALE STUDENTS

Rhoads faces up to 10 years in prison when she is sentenced Sept. 22. She will remain free on bail until then.

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/WinnipegSun/News/2004/07/15/543252.html
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1675&dept_id=18171&newsid=12348265&PAG=461&rfi=9
http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/pennsylvania/9157760.htm
http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story.cfm?story=73070&ran=98275

That is all for July 15th, 2004.

Moody
Friday, July 16th, 2004, 05:25 PM
Any particular branch of "Aryan Spirituality" or just all of it in general (from the various European branches, through the Eurasian part down to India and the Rig Veda, etc) ?

In general, with specific interest in the Indo-Aryan, Greco-Roman and Norse.
In case you intend to point out homo-erotic elements within the Greek - that is acknowledged. My contention is that a similar homo-erotic element exists in Catholic Christianity [indeed it may have been inherited from the Greeks].


But you didn't actually attend yourself though? So it's a kind of 2nd-hand ethos so to speak? Of course unless she attended at the beginning of the 20th century, it's mostly likely she was imbued with a more "Modernist" ethos

I was in the position of having life contact with that ethos, while being distanced from it as I am not a Catholic. I believe this helps me to notice things that Catholics take for granted.
I am not talking about the 'modernist' argument in Catholicism; I am referring to the devotion to our Lord of sorrows and all the cloying sentiment that resides in that, which is of an erotic nature - albeit sublimated.


O Tempore! O Mores! For more innocent times gone by! :)
It's quite possible that homosexuals do enjoy it. I know many of them also have a fetish for the whole Nazi imagery too. There isn't much I can do about that I'm afraid. Of course, the sacrifice and resurrection are central to the theology, but there's more to it than that. I doubt gays enjoy the warnings against "sexual immorality" or the story about the sexually depraved of Sodom and Gomorrah meeting a fiery end. ;)

On the contrary; I think that EXCESSIVE imprecations against something advert to a propensity to that something.
In other words, our moral THOU SHALT NOTS tend to echo our own dangerous tendencies.
Excessive taboos against homosexuality suggest that it may have been [is] rife.
If the care-free tolerance of homosexuality among pagan Greeks bled into early Christianity, then it is possible that dire warnings against it were ways of banishing pagan mores.
As always, a taboo tends to prick curiosity, so a sublimated homo-eroticism remained [still visible in Catholicism and its imagery]. True, it flowed into secular avenues as well ; but that doesn't affect my argument.
Look how many famous gays were turned on by Christian imagery [I won't put any examples here so not to offend the users of this board].


Seeing the thing as homo-erotic probably says more about the times we live in now, than about the story of Jesus. He died for women as well as men.
I don't specifically remember Jesus being dexcribed as beautiful, and there is nothing ultimately tragic about it for he rose from the dead and ascended into glory.

This is a famous Catholic image of Jesus which is peddled in every Catholic image-making out-let;
http://www.rkc.lviv.ua/iU/CiUJHs15.jpg
Take a step back - what does that image suggest?
Or better; imagine what kind of a pin-up boy that is!
You might say that Apollo's image was similar - fair play to you; but then it cannot be a recent phenomena as you try to imply.

Not tragic? - what does the following mean?
http://www.jcsm.org/Israel1997/ViaDolorosa.jpg
The way of sorrows!
The Catholic emphasis on sin is utterly miserable and tragic.

Sure, there is also the question of repressed female sexuality in Catholicism, with the nuns etc., Here I am looking at the possibility that the deep undercurrent of repressed homo-eroticism in that religion is responsible for the latest homosexual outbreaks within it.

Benetton used the Christ imagery because it pre-exists; it is part of Western culture and is therefore a ready-made symbol for homo-erotic suffering.
As Jesus did not get married and father children, but was followed by a small group of men up to the point of his death, it might be a relevant question to ask, 'was Jesus gay?'

Scoob
Friday, July 16th, 2004, 07:06 PM
I think most of the people with pictures of Jesus like that are women or little old ladies - not men.

Catholics are some of the few people in America that don't buy as strongly into the Multicult. Being Roman Catholic, in and of itself, is a preservation of European culture.

Johnson
Sunday, July 18th, 2004, 10:48 AM
Calif. Roman Catholic bishops endorse challenge to abuse claims law

http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=2053365
http://www.trivalleyherald.com/Stories/0,1413,86~10669~2276081,00.html

San Francisco-AP -- California's Roman Catholic bishops are endorsing a legal challenge to a state law that lets alleged victims of abusive priests sue the church -- even when the claims date back decades.

The Bishops are supporting a case in San Diego federal court that asserts the California law is unconstitutional because it singles out the church. They announced their position yesterday.

The law allowed alleged victims to file claims during 2003, even if the statute of limitations had ended. More than 700 suits were filed, some dating back 70 years.

Former Hopewell priest defrocked

http://www.hopewellnews.com/HOPEWELLNEWS/sites/HOPEWELLNEWS/0650edition/myarticles1011747.asp?P=1011747&S=585&PubID=16382

One local resident who wished to remain anonymous said she was shocked when she learned that Andrew Krafcik, a former St. James Catholic Church priest, had been defrocked by the Vatican for abuse charges from nearly 20 years ago.
"I was just flabbergasted," said the resident. "My sons used to be alter boys while he was here."
Krafcik served as an associate priest at St. James from 1968 to 1970.
According to an Associated Press story, the Vatican defrocked the 76-year-old priest who was charged with child abuse two decades ago and afterward served for nearly a dozen years at a Fairfax parish.
Krafcik, who was charged with child abuse in Henrico County in 1984, was "dismissed from the clerical state" Saturday, according to Arlington Bishop Paul S. Loverde.

Priest sex scandal angers Austria chancellor

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7FF3E72F-D769-4CDA-B7E9-76ECA4226338.htm
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=548899§ion=news

VIENNA (Reuters) - Austrian Chancellor Wolfgang Schuessel has demanded an explanation from priests at a seminary who are under investigation for sexual impropriety and possible possession of child pornography.

"We have separation of church and state in Austria, so I have no right to take a position as chancellor," Schuessel said in an interview on Austrian radio on Saturday. "The authorities are investigating. But as a believer and as Catholic, I want a quick and frank explanation."

The scandal, which has shocked Austria's predominantly Catholic public, erupted after the Austrian weekly news magazine Profil published photographs showing leading clerics of the seminary fondling and kissing the male student priests.

Poll: Austrians Want Bishop's Resignation

http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/state/9179229.htm

VIENNA, Austria - A poll released Saturday showed 72 percent of Austrians want the resignation of a bishop who oversees a Roman Catholic seminary where a vast cache of child pornography was discovered.

Bishop Kurt Krenn, in charge of the St. Poelten diocese, about 50 miles west of Vienna, has been under intense pressure to resign since the news magazine Profil earlier this week revealed that 40,000 photographs and numerous videos, including child pornography, had been found on seminary computers.

The magazine also published photos of candidates for the priesthood kissing and fondling each other.

Priest removed from post during porn investigation

http://www.theadvertiser.com/news/html/55DE5E29-EB76-4485-835A-DEF34BCF1221.shtml

LAFAYETTE — A Roman Catholic priest has been removed from his post in Arnaudville pending an investigation into suspected pornography on a rectory computer that has been seized by the FBI, church officials said Friday.

The Rev. Jules Arceneaux, who served at St. Francis Regis Church and St. Catherine Church, was removed soon after a complaint was made about pornography found on a computer in the St. Francis Regis rectory, said Monsignor Richard Greene, Diocese of Lafayette spokesman.

Greene said FBI investigators took the computer from the rectory Tuesday.

“What’s being investigated is Internet pornography, a charge of that,” Greene said.

That is all for July 17th, 2004.

Phlegethon
Sunday, July 18th, 2004, 01:17 PM
It should be noted that Kurt Krenn is probably the most right-wing, conservative, even nationalist bishop in Europe, with confessed sympathies for Jörg Haider. This scandal has been orchestrated by those who wanted to get rid of him ever since he took office.

Milesian
Sunday, July 18th, 2004, 09:31 PM
I was in the position of having life contact with that ethos, while being distanced from it as I am not a Catholic. I believe this helps me to notice things that Catholics take for granted.
I am not talking about the 'modernist' argument in Catholicism; I am referring to the devotion to our Lord of sorrows and all the cloying sentiment that resides in that, which is of an erotic nature - albeit sublimated.

We will have to disagree then. I still do not see any eroticism. In fact I find the suggestion quite startling.
I do envy you though that you came into contact with a Catholic ethos.
I went through life in supposedly Catholic schools and never encountered that ethos. In fact whenever our Religious Education classes did dare touch on the subject of religion, it was usually to inform us about the practises of Buddhists or Muslims. Catholicism was conspicous by it's absense




On the contrary; I think that EXCESSIVE imprecations against something advert to a propensity to that something.
In other words, our moral THOU SHALT NOTS tend to echo our own dangerous tendencies.
Excessive taboos against homosexuality suggest that it may have been [is] rife.

Yes, I'm sure it was rife. The Bible does contain references to societies in which it was rife (Sodom, Gomorrah, etc). It's seen as a mark of heathen and depraved peoples. In all likelyhood, homosexuality has been practised in most if not all societies for a long time. Christianity however has frowned on it and made it taboo. I have no problem with that. The propensity towards it thus is found in human beings, not in Christianity.

The proposition that continual impreciations against something suggests a tendency towards it is not always a valid one though.
Children use this thinking quite a bit actually.
Think of the kid who's mates tease him that he likes a girl, and then when he continually denies it, take it as a sign that he therefore must like her then. A case of "The lady doth protest too much". However, the reality may be much more straightforward - perhaps he really just doesn't like her after all ;)


If the care-free tolerance of homosexuality among pagan Greeks bled into early Christianity, then it is possible that dire warnings against it were ways of banishing pagan mores.
As always, a taboo tends to prick curiosity, so a sublimated homo-eroticism remained [still visible in Catholicism and its imagery]. True, it flowed into secular avenues as well ; but that doesn't affect my argument.
Look how many famous gays were turned on by Christian imagery [I won't put any examples here so not to offend the users of this board].

Well, possibly it was a way of banishing pagan mores. That's a valid hypotheses. And I agree that a taboo does excite curiosity in some people at times, however there is no easy way around that. I still don't see the homo-eroticism in Catholicism or it's imagery. If you believe that despite being very much against the afore-mentioned practise that Catholicism is riddled with Homo-Eroticism, then what about pagans on whom there is no such taboo on homosexuality? Paganism or any other religion / philosophy are thus thoroughly heterosexual because they are not explicitly opposed to homosexuality? :)

I'm not aware of famous gays turned on by religious imagery.
There are probably an infinte number of fetishes, and things which people can be aroused by is quite mind-boggling. If perverse minds get a kick out of religious imagery then it's hardly suprising, but ultimately the problem lies with the pervert, not the image ;)




This is a famous Catholic image of Jesus which is peddled in every Catholic image-making out-let;
http://www.rkc.lviv.ua/iU/CiUJHs15.jpg
Take a step back - what does that image suggest?
Or better; imagine what kind of a pin-up boy that is!
You might say that Apollo's image was similar - fair play to you; but then it cannot be a recent phenomena as you try to imply.

The initial and predominant suggestion is one of benevolence.
I actually find it somewhat un-nerving that you find homo-eroticism in this image :|
With no direspect intended nor snide inferrence, but is it possible that the suggestion exists largely within your own mind, and not in the actual image itself?
Perhaps it's your intepretation shaped by your own mind that gives this suggestion?
Whereas I see an image intended to show a benevolent, warm, personal God, you find an image suggesting eroticism


Not tragic? - what does the following mean?
http://www.jcsm.org/Israel1997/ViaDolorosa.jpg
The way of sorrows!
The Catholic emphasis on sin is utterly miserable and tragic.

Really? I don't see it that way at all. I find the religion embraces a whole range of emotions. This is just one part of it. The birth at Christmas and the triumphant ressurection at Easter obviously raise totally different emotions.
You've simply selected one aspect out of various.


Sure, there is also the question of repressed female sexuality in Catholicism, with the nuns etc., Here I am looking at the possibility that the deep undercurrent of repressed homo-eroticism in that religion is responsible for the latest homosexual outbreaks within it.

Taken with the fact that the current clergy are also scandalising the Church with dodgy financial dealings, changing such fundamentals as the Mass, theology, etc in addition to the sexual scandals, I think it's more likely that there are a lot of people within the Church on whose list of priorities, the welfare of the Church and living a pious life comes much further down that trying to completely discredit and scandalising the Church.
This has been the avowed aim of some groups for a couple of centuries now.
So IMO, this is far more likely to be the cause than 2000 years of repressed sexuality suddenly coming to the boil.


Benetton used the Christ imagery because it pre-exists; it is part of Western culture and is therefore a ready-made symbol for homo-erotic suffering.
As Jesus did not get married and father children, but was followed by a small group of men up to the point of his death, it might be a relevant question to ask, 'was Jesus gay?'

Again, this is symptomatic of our current way of thinking.
If someone doesn't like to go about getting laid, or doesn't marry then there is a question mark automaticaly hanging over their sexuality.
It reminds me of the way some people are now wary of expressing public affection towards children (even their own) because there will be raised eyebrows as some people's imaginations start working overtime ;(
Again, perhaps this is a projection onto others.

Scoob
Sunday, July 18th, 2004, 11:52 PM
Most Catholics are from Mediterranean (Latin) cultures. Mediterranean cultures do not favor ugly artwork. They tend to favor a Classical ideal of sensual beauty. Northern European (Germanic) artwork tends to focus more on the grotesque.

I think this difference might be the source of some of the misunderstanding that a "pretty boy" image of Jesus must be homoerotic.

Catholicism is more emotionally rooted than Protestantism. It must be understood with the heart, and I always considered these types of "Sacred Heart of Jesus" etc pictures to appeal to this type of emotionalism. Even the Irish are known for being sentimental compared to the English.

Incidentally, a good test of this kind of hypothesis is seeing how Polish and Lithuanian Catholics practice their religion. Do they emphasize this type of imagery?

Johnson
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 02:18 AM
Two I missed from the 16th:

Bishop allegedly approved pedophile trips to Disneyland

http://www.ocweekly.com/ink/04/45/news-arellano.php

"[According to a lawsuit, accused priest Kevin Barmasse] rented a condo in San Diego in 1988 after spending the day at Disneyland with a 17-year-old Tucson boy. Court papers describe how the priest 'invited the plaintiff to have evening prayer one night alone in his room.' ... according to an Aug. 22, 2002, Yuma Police Department report, [priest Juan Guillen] allowed a group of altar boys to sleep in his room at Immaculate Conception Church in Tucson during the summer of 1994 before they took a bus to Disneyland the next morning. During the night, Guillen stripped a 14-year-old boy and 'attempted to anally penetrate [the victim]. He tried in several positions but was unable to and finally stopped and put [the victim's] pants back on.' Two weeks after the Disneyland trip, the report continued, Guillen 'masturbate[d the victim] with one hand. Guillen gave oral sex to [the victim] until [the victim] ejaculated in his mouth.'"

Charge priest in 'sleep sex'

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/story/212632p-183151c.html

"A Pennsylvania priest who claimed he unknowingly engaged in 'sleeping sex' with a boy on an overnight trip to Manhattan was charged yesterday with abusing the teen, prosecutors said. Albert Liberatore, 40, of Lackawanna, Pa., allegedly sodomized the 17-year-old boy during a booze-fueled romp in a Greenwich Village hotel in 2002. The priest, who already faces indecent assault charges in Pennsylvania, apologized to the boy and his mother, saying he must have committed the sex assault during a semiconscious state similar to sleepwalking. But prosecutors are not buying the bizarre excuse and hit Liberatore with sodomy and sex assault charges... The boy and his mother agreed at first to keep quiet about the incident when Liberatore and another church official told them it would be 'un-Christian' to turn him in. But the boy decided to talk to cops after another boy came forward to accuse Liberatore of a similar incident in Pennsylvania."

Johnson
Thursday, July 22nd, 2004, 05:13 AM
18th-20th

Former Catholic brother arrested over historic sex abuse complaints
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2976623a11,00.html
Upper Hutt police have arrested and charged a former Catholic Brother in relation to a complaint of historic sexual indecencies on a male student.
The allegations relate to incidents at Hato Paora College near Feilding in 1984.
The Upper Hutt man is no longer at the school and will appear in Upper Hutt District Court next week, Detective Constable John Fagan said in a statement.
Police want to talk to people who attended the school in 1984 and who may have information that could help with the investigation.
Pope to probe porn scandal
http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1559440,00.html
Vienna - Pope John Paul II will personally examine a sex and pornography scandal engulfing the Austrian Catholic church, said the mass-circulation Kronen Zeitung on Sunday.
The newspaper said Vatican officials would submit documents concerning the scandal to the pontiff following his return from holidays in the Aosta Valley and resumption of duties on Monday.
The scandal revolves around some 40 000 pornographic photos and a number of films discovered on computers at a seminary in St. Poelten, west of Vienna.
Former priest extradicted to Maryland
http://www.lincolncourier.com/news/04/07/17/a.asp
Maryland police took custody of Francis Benham from Logan County authorities about 10:30 a.m. Friday for his extradition to Prince George’s County, Md., where the former priest faces 25-year-old sex charges.
Benham – who served as a priest at Holy Spirit Catholic Church in Prince George’s County from 1975 until 1979 – is wanted on second- and third-degree sex offenses that allegedly took place inside his parish church between 1977 and 1979.
The arrest warrant for the second-degree offense alleges Benham sexually assaulted a 13-year-old girl two to three times a week, beginning in 1977 and continuing until 1979.
A Maryland man told authorities in May that Benham also sexually molested him in the church when he was 15 years old on six different occasions between July 1977 and April 1978.
Church's sex abuse shame
http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/mercury/tm_objectid=14438587&method=full&siteid=50002&headline=church-s-sex-abuse-shame-name_page.html
The chilling scale of child sex abuse in the Roman Catholic church can be revealed by the Sunday Mercury today.
Last week, a report published by a top level anti-abuse agency revealed that it had passed on 62 cases to police in the past year.
A further 51 have been dealt with internally by the church - and nearly half of the cases involve priests.
The catalogue of shame includes:
* Five priests being suspended;
* Twelve priests sent for psychiatric assessment to see whether they are fit to continue to work with children;
* Seven priests removed from parish duties to keep them away from kids;
* Two priests having to resign;
* Six voluntary youth workers sacked and three risk-evaluated;
* Five parishioners dealt with after they were found to have convictions for child abuse.
That is all for July 18th, 2004.

Former orphans suing Catholic charity for molestation
http://www.kystandard.com/articles/2004/07/19/news/news01.txt
"Six women and one man filed suit Thursday against the Sisters of Charity of Nazareth for alleged sex abuse they said occurred during the 1950s at St. Thomas-St. Vincent Orphanage in Anchorage, Ky... the seven plaintiffs name two sisters, Mary Ann Powers, SCN, and Alma Stuecker, SCN, and one priest, the Rev. Herman J. Lammers - all now deceased - as the alleged abusers... Helen Martine Edwards, now 61, claims Lammers forcibly sexually molested, abused, battered and assaulted her, resulting in pregnancy at the orphanage. Her sisters, Myrtle Darlene Kustes, now 55, and Carol Ann Gilbert, now 52, and Alicia Lynn Sinnott, now 52, similarly claim Lammers raped and molested them too... David V. Summers, 58, claims Stuecker forcibly sexually abused him, at times using a Crucifix in sexual acts."
Catholic Missions in Canada Appoints "Pro-Abortion" Former Cabinet Minister to Leadership
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2004/jul/04071901.html
TORONTO, July 19, 2004 (LifeSiteNews.com) - In a press release today, Catholic Missions In Canada (CMIC) said it was "pleased to announce that former member of Ontario provincial parliament, Tina Molinari, has joined the senior professional team of Catholic Missions In Canada as national director of development." However, LifeSiteNews.com has learned that during her political tenure, Molinari was listed as "pro-abortion" by the pro-life group Campaign Life Coalition.
CMIC, a charitable organization mandated by the Vatican to support the Canadian missions established in 1908, will distribute close to $4-million in grants, loans and bursaries in 2004. The CMIC release notes that "As national director of development, Molinari will be responsible for all aspects of development and promotion in both the private and corporate sectors to ensure the growth and expansion of Catholic Missions In Canada's fundraising efforts."
Bishop D'Arcy calls for new screening for priests
http://www.wndu.com/news/072004/news_36392.php
Bishop John D'Arcy is calling for changes in the screening process for priests. The Fort Wayne and South Bend bishop says the church must improve its screening process to keep homosexuals from being ordained in the priesthood.
The bishop made the comments to the Boston Globe over the weekend. He says he hope the US Conference of Catholic Bishops will take a firm stance against homosexual men serving as priests.
Bishop D’Arcy says heterosexual priests must embrace celibacy
Alleged Victims Of Abuse By Nuns Speak Out
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=2058174&nav=0RZFOw93
(LOUISVILLE, July 19th, 2004, 5:30 p.m.) -- On Monday a half-dozen women came forward to speak about horrific crimes they say they suffered at a Catholic orphanage in Anchorage in the 1950s. They are now plaintiffs in a lawsuit filed against the sisterhood that ran the orphanage. WAVE 3's Dina Kaplan reports.
Five of the alleged victims are sisters, who were reunited recently for the first time in years after living in different areas of the country. When they began talking about the days they spent at the St. Thomas/St. Vincent Orphanage, they realized each of them had their own tale of abuse -- and one of the sisters says she was impregnanted by a priest at the orphanage, and that the nuns there knew exactly what was going on.
Plaintiff Helen Edwards says she miscarried during her pregnancy. She says one of the nuns told her "'I'm taking you to the hospital, you are not to say nothing. I will do all the talking.'"
Darlene Kustef says the abuse "wasn't just sexual. It went on from fondling ... the extremes that it went. It was also the physical abuse that we were put through."
Trainee priest on porn charges
http://www.guardian.co.uk/austria/article/0,2763,1265011,00.html
27-year-old trainee priest at an Austrian seminary has been arrested for possession and distribution of child pornography, prosecutors said yesterday.
Authorities say some 40,000 photos and numerous videos, including child pornography, sadomasochistic sexual acts and pictures of trainee priests kissing and fondling each other and their older instructors, were found at the seminary in St Poelten, 50 miles west of Vienna.
The suspect, who has been expelled from the seminary, was charged under new federal child pornography law that came into effect in May, increasing the maximum penalty from six months in prison to two years and a fine.
Clergy abuse victims seek out some peace at The Farm in Ky.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/07/19/clergy_abuse_victims_seek_out_some_peace _at_the_farm_in_ky
CRESTWOOD, Ky. -- Tom Weiter is a straight-talking truck driver with a sarcastic streak, a former altar boy, and the nephew of two nuns. He said he was sexually abused by a Catholic priest four decades ago.
Canadian Friar Accused of Sex Abuse Hides in California
http://www.feminist.org/news/newsbyte/uswirestory.asp?id=8549
Dallas newspaper recently brought to light a case in which a Canadian priest accused of sexually abusing minors was moved by the Catholic Church to the United States. This case is the latest reported by the Dallas News, which is publishing the results of a special year-long investigation of priests accused of sexually abusing minors, and the Catholic Church’s implications in moving them abroad to avoid prosecution.
That is all for July 19th, 2004.

Lawsuit alleges abuse by retired priest
http://www.aberdeennews.com/mld/aberdeennews/news/9196879.htm
SIOUX FALLS - Five women have filed a lawsuit against the Sioux Falls Catholic Diocese and a retired priest who they say sexually abused them 40 years ago.
The women, who are not identified in the lawsuit, said the abuse occurred from 1961 to 1963 when they were growing up in the Yankton and Platte areas.
Named as defendants are the Sioux Falls diocese and the Rev. Bruce MacArthur, who has not served a parish in South Dakota since 1973 and retired in 1992. His last known residence was in the Texas-New Mexico area.
Nix nups by priest in scandal
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/local/story/213885p-184170c.html
A big, fat Manhattan wedding won't be the same this Sunday because the couple's favorite priest, Msgr. John Woolsey, will not be performing the ceremony.
The scandal-scarred cleric bowed out of the nuptials because he feared his presence would turn the private event into a public circus, one of the bridegroom's sisters said yesterday.
Anthony Santorelli - son of wealthy, self-made businessman Leonard Santorelli - planned his wedding to Noelle Turini for more than a year.
Woolsey, the charismatic pastor of St. John the Martyr Catholic Church on the upper East Side, was asked to step down while prosecutors investigate allegations that $1 million in church funds went missing on his watch. He's also accused in a lawsuit of swindling an elderly parishioner out of $500,000.
Siblings Sisters share accusations against priest and others
http://www.courier-journal.com/localnews/2004/07/20ky/B1-abuse0720-6328.html
Recently reunited after 50 years, five sisters clasped hands and choked back tears yesterday while recounting what they allege was a childhood of physical and sexual abuse at a Roman Catholic orphanage in eastern Jefferson County.
They told of a widely admired priest who they said raped and molested them after telling them their parents didn't want them and that only he thought they were "special."
They told of nuns who they said beat and molested them, and locked them in dark rooms and deprived them of food.
Diocese warns it could go bankrupt
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/local/news/20diocese_a1a01_a1_mainstreeta.html
The Santa Rosa Catholic Diocese has been unable to settle 10 sexual abuse lawsuits and could be forced into bankruptcy by "adverse verdicts" if some of the cases go to trial, the diocese attorney said Monday.
"The amounts are staggering," attorney Dan Galvin said, referring to claims by alleged child sex abuse victims in the range of $2 million to
$4 million a case statewide.
Santa Rosa, which already has paid $8.6 million in settlements to victims, has 10 remaining cases among about 115 lawsuits consolidated in Oakland.
That is all for July 20th, 2004.

Johnson
Thursday, July 22nd, 2004, 06:15 AM
Former priests plead not guilty to sex offences

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200407/s1159409.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200407/s1159409.htm)

Two priests formerly from Burnie's Marist Catholic College in Tasmania's north-west have pleaded not guilty to alleged sex offences.

Gregory Lawrence Ferguson, 66 and 68-year-old Roger Michael Bellemore both now live in Sydney and were not required to appear in the Burnie Magistrates Court this morning.

Pleas of not guilty were entered on their behalf by defence counsel Greg Walsh.

Bellemore is charged with three counts of maintaining a sexual relationship with a young person and one of indecent assault, while Ferguson is charged with five counts of indecent assault, one of attempted indecent assault and one of maintaining a sexual relationship with a young person.

The charges date back to the late 60s and early 70s.

Springfield diocese settles abuse suit

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040721priests,1,7038756.story?coll=chi-news-hed (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-040721priests,1,7038756.story?coll=chi-news-hed)

SPRINGFIELD -- The Catholic Diocese of Springfield recently settled a lawsuit brought by eight men who said they were sexually abused by a former priest in the 1970s.

Diocese spokeswoman Kathie Sass said Wednesday the men will share $1.2 million.

Five of the men filed suit against the diocese in Madison County in September 2003. The lawsuit alleged abuse by former priest Walter Weerts between 1973 and 1980 when he was pastor of Sacred Heart Parish in Villa Grove. Three other men were added during the mediation process.

Weerts pleaded guilty in 1986 to three counts of sexual abuse in a case brought against him in Adams County. He served six years in prison and was removed from the priesthood in March 1989.

Priest criticised for Christ comparison

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/21/1090089223757.html (http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/21/1090089223757.html)

A mother who attributes her son's drug-related serious illness and life punctuated by imprisonment to sex abuse by a Salesian priest criticised the accused Catholic cleric yesterday for comparing his case to that of a wrongly accused Jesus Christ.

"It is an insult to God, never mind Catholics," said the woman, who asked not to be identified.

Her son received a $35,600 settlement from the Salesians in 2000, with denial of liability, over alleged abuse at the Salesians' Rupertswood college in Sunbury during 1978 and 1979.

"How dare he compare himself to Jesus . . . I find the whole thing extraordinary," she said.

The woman said all Christians should be outraged by the use of Christ's name in the abuse scandal.

She also condemned the Salesians in Rome for giving the accused priest, Father Julian Fox, a job at their headquarters.

"He obviously has delusions of greatness," she said, accusing Salesians in Rome of protecting the priest.

Confession may clear accused Arnaudville priest

http://www.dailyworld.com/html/9E8510B9-CF43-4D6A-AD63-CB6A1EB1E17B.shtml (http://www.dailyworld.com/html/9E8510B9-CF43-4D6A-AD63-CB6A1EB1E17B.shtml)

Priest to be sentenced for public indecency

http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/0721priestweb.html (http://www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/0721priestweb.html)

DAYTON | The Rev. Thomas Kuhn was sentenced Wednesday to five years' probation and fined $10,250 on 11 misdemeanor charges of public indecency and providing alcohol to minors.

The offenses occurred at Kuhn's former home in Miami Twp. between November 2001 and January 2002 and involved four boys and one girl, all 18 or younger.

That is all for July 21st, 2004.

Stríbog
Thursday, July 22nd, 2004, 06:52 AM
http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/images/608/608_img_05.jpg

Randy: [pondering] A Catholic boat trip? [raises his left eyebrow and begins to daydream. He first sees a ship and disco music starts to play. What he imagines is "The CATHOLIC Boat," a television program about cruises on a luxury cruise ship.]
Singer: The CATHOLIC Boat's gonna be headin' on out today.
The Catholic Boat. Time to throw all of your cares away.
Get some hot Christian action; it'll make you-
[As the song is sung, the show's logo appears: "The Catholic Boat." A pink anchor rises and ushers in the next scene: A happy Father Michaels stroking his chin. A second anchor, and Young Boy #1 (Butters) is shown. A third anchor and Father Williams appears. He pulls his shirt up to expose his chest. The fourth anchor, and Young Boy #2 (Tweek) is shown. The fifth anchor, and three priests, Fathers Abraham, Duncan, and Ortiz, are shown partying. Father Abraham falls over laughing. Father Duncan grabs Father Ortiz behind the head and pushes the head down... The sixth anchor, and Young Boy #3 (Stan) is shown. A priest's arm appears, running the index finger all over Stan's face...]

Milesian
Thursday, July 22nd, 2004, 10:22 AM
Move to the lounge, Mr Blavatsky? :D