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renownedwolf
Thursday, April 5th, 2012, 08:12 PM
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/does-the-far-right-in-europe-pose-a-growing-threat-to-democracy-.html


The next generation of European terrorists could emerge from the growing ranks of far-right groups becoming disillusioned with elections, researchers have warned.

The English Defence League hosted a rally in Denmark last weekend in a bid to draw together anti-Muslim groups from across Europe in a new far-right alliance.


The English Defence League was admired by Anders Behring Breivik (Copyright: Rex)

The gathering was declared a flop, outnumbered 10 to one by counter-protesters, but experts believe these organisations could become breeding grounds for would-be terrorists and have called for greater efforts to be made to track their activities.

Right-wing extremist violence has been on the increase across mainland Europe in recent years with attacks in Norway, Germany, Spain, Czech Republic and Italy.

Anders Behring Breivik murdered 77 people and injured a further 151 in his attack in Norway last July. A manifesto he posted online before his killing spree railed against multiculturalism and Islam.

Breivik’s document praised the EDL and claimed he had met leading members during a trip to London.


Norwegian right-wing extremist Anders Behring Breivik (right) (Copyright: AFP)

In November German police uncovered a neo-Nazi terrorist cell linked to the murder of nine immigrants and a policewoman. The group had operated across the country for years undetected.

The discovery plunged Germany into a state of shock and authorities are now facing calls to ban the right-wing National Democratic Party.

In Italy, in December a trader from Florence with links to a far-right movement killed two Senegalese street vendors and injured another three before turning the gun on himself.

The violence from the far-right has rocked mainland Europe but a recent study in the UK revealed that 40% of BNP supporters believe armed conflict between racial or religious groups is justifiable.


[Related Article: UK anti-Islamist group to form "Freedom Party"]


The study was carried out by Matthew Goodwin, an expert in extremism from the University of Nottingham, who has told Yahoo! News that far-right rhetoric is becoming increasingly combative and provocative.

“These groups are now operating in a perfect storm in terms of a recession, local cuts, austerity, the increased salience of Islam, it’s a far more fertile climate,” he explained.

“That’s coinciding with many groups starting to share a consensus that the ballot box didn’t really work out over the last ten years.

He added that in some areas of the north of England groups had even targeted businesses and homes.

“We’ve not seen this kind of action before,” he said.


Elod Novak, parliamentary member of Hungarian far-right party Jobbik, burns an EU flag during a demonstration against …

Support for the far-right also extends to countries in the former Eastern bloc. In Hungary, groups like Jobbik have managed to take 46 seats in parliament to become the third biggest party.

The Czech Republic recently claimed to have more than 4,000 active neo-Nazis while Euro 2012 hosts Poland and Ukraine are making special preparations to ensure the growing ranks of skinhead hooligans don’t pose a threat to visiting fans.

The violence has extended to far-left groups who have been attacked in Spain and the Czech Republic and even Russia where anti-racist groups claim hundreds have died since 2005.

These developments have led to calls for greater research to fully understand its implications.


[Related Article: Germany: Plan to publish Mein Kampf excerpt halted]


“It’s difficult to say it’s a trend because we simply don’t have reliable comparative data across Europe,” said Mr Goodwin.

He said a lot of resource had gone into examining groups such as Al Qaeda but far less had been directed towards understanding the far-right.

“We’ve been a little bit complacent, we’ve tended to be dismissive of the far-right – they’re very difficult organisations to research,” he added.

Despite this he warned that there is still potential in the UK for this growing movement to spill over into acts of violence. In 1999 former BNP member David Copeland began a campaign of terror that killed three people and injured 139 in a series of nailbomb attacks across London.

“We certainly have the potential, at the moment there are around 20 individuals who are serving long sentences for planning would-be acts of violence inspired by far-right ideologies,” Mr Goodwin stated.

“People are still very sceptical in the UK, people think the far-right is very disorganised, fragmented and chaotic. It is precisely because of those reasons that we want to watch that movement a little more carefully.”

“When you don’t have a viable outlet for grievances you open up the potential for people feeling they have no other option.”

Tom Schnadelbach
Thursday, April 5th, 2012, 10:04 PM
I should hope that it does. Democracy is a cancer that must be excised from the body ethnic.
So wuerde ich auch hoffen. Demokratie ist ein Krebsgeschwur der aus dem Volkskoerper ausgeschnitten werden muss.

renownedwolf
Thursday, April 5th, 2012, 10:42 PM
Though exactly how much of a threat a Zionist puppet organisation composed of barely literate white van men (EDL) pose is negligible.

liveevildevil
Thursday, April 5th, 2012, 11:17 PM
I should hope that it does. Democracy is a cancer that must be excised from the body ethnic.


Ok... so if right-wing actions causes a left-wing tyrannical crack-down on everyone opposed to "alien invation", that's perfectly allright ?? ANY kind of tyranny is welcome because democracy sucks bigtime?!?!

Or is it ONLY IFF you'd become the Führer ?

RoyBatty
Thursday, April 5th, 2012, 11:19 PM
The premise of this article is ridiculous on a number of levels. It is designed to fool, mislead and brainwash the reader on a number of levels and to distract their attention and cause them to lose focus on real issues.

- Firstly, it creates the impression that democracy is a somehow "desireable system which could be under threat and must be protected by decent, ordinary people."

Answer:
Democracy is a rubbish system, hijacked by a small mafia who impose a perverted and engineered form of it on the rest of us. It is ineffective, it is used to enslave us, it is controlled by scheissters. Democracy does more harm than good to us.

- Secondly, the article associates Jewish clown outfits such as the EDL with the "far-right". This is a deliberate ploy to mislead, confuse and divide people with rightwing sentiments. They get suckered into associating "far right" with frauds like the EDL.

EDL aren't rightwing, they're a mob of morons paid and organised to make a noise and attract attention and divert support away from the BNP.

renownedwolf
Thursday, April 5th, 2012, 11:28 PM
Well the BNP are hardly blameless in all this they are just as bad, letting in every gollywog and kike and whatever, even if 'forced', pulling the we hate Islam card at expense of the real problem. They have a Uruguayan immigrant running for Mayor ffs!

Tom Schnadelbach
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 06:00 AM
Ok... so if right-wing actions causes a left-wing tyrannical crack-down on everyone opposed to "alien invation", that's perfectly allright ?? ANY kind of tyranny is welcome because democracy sucks bigtime?!?!

Or is it ONLY IFF you'd become the Führer ?

Breivik is not right wing, he is a shabbas goy, he loves the hebrews and hates their enemy the muslims and did what he did to punish Norway for not unconditionally supporting the zionist entity. No right winger would shoot up norwegian children. BTW, I'm not a right winger. NS is neither left wing or right wing. It is sui generis, in a class by itself.

Just maybe it would be a good idea if the left wing should tyrannically crack down on everyone opposed to "alien invasion". It might backfire and cause the masses of white people to finally take a stand. Or we can be good goyim and shiksas and just sit at our desks and write long missives about how something must be done !!!!!. Just like we have been doing since the powers that be started admitting large numbers of duskies to our homelands.

And no, I am not in any position to point fingers at any other desktop warriors.


PS, I wouldn't want to be Fuehrer. I love my Fatherland too much to wish something like that on it.

Sehnsucht
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 10:23 AM
Breivik was right wing, note his membership to the Fremskrittspartiet/Progress Party, and it is a pointless exercise arguing about wings anyway.

RoyBatty
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 10:58 AM
Breivik was right wing,

#1 - What is your definition of "right-wing", what are the constituent properties of it?

#2 - Is somebody who described himself to be anti-racist, (but specifically anti-Muslim) and pro-Jewish really "right-wing" or rather, tolerant and appreciative of diversity, as long as they aren't Muslims?



note his membership to the Fremskrittspartiet/Progress Party, and it is a pointless exercise arguing about wings anyway.


I could be a paid up member of the UKIP, a party with strong Zionist connections which claims to be anti-immigration. Would that necessarily make me "right wing"?



My definition of "right-wing" is close to what I believe the classical definition of it is and should be, ie:

- Fairly Conservative, somewhat resistant to "new and improved" ideas and ways of doing things, somewhat intolerant of those who deviate radically from the norm yet who demand that the norm has to adjust to THEM.

(In other words, I have no problem with ppl being different but they shouldn't go around demanding all kinds of special rights, treatment and expect everybody else to fall in line with them)

- Racist, and proud of it
- Nationalist, and proud of it
- Tribalist, and proud of it
- Intolerant of demands for "rights" for Johnny Foreigner whilst he's living or visiting in Euroland

etc

Does Breivik exhibit such properties or would he rather be categorised under modern Daily Mail / BBC / The Sun / The Guardian definitions of what "right-wing" supposedly is?

Mrs vonTrep
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 11:11 AM
#1 - What is your definition of "right-wing"

Where I live the right (i.e right-wing) is capitalist and bourgeois and has nothing to do with nationalism. Which is why I'd never ever call myself right-wing since it's quite the opposite of who I am (I'm nowhere near that scale anyway).

I have no idea whether or not Breivik was right-wing though, I haven't spent any time trying to get to know him.

Sehnsucht
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 01:30 PM
#1 - What is your definition of "right-wing", what are the constituent properties of it?

#2 - Is somebody who described himself to be anti-racist, (but specifically anti-Muslim) and pro-Jewish really "right-wing" or rather, tolerant and appreciative of diversity, as long as they aren't Muslims?

Yes. Race is only one issue, and should it really be put anywhere on the left wing and right wing scale? Surely it is possible for a totally left wing ('socialist' economics and system) to be racist?


I could be a paid up member of the UKIP, a party with strong Zionist connections which claims to be anti-immigration. Would that necessarily make me "right wing"?

Conservative Libertarianism. I guess Libertarianism would drag something towards the left, but I don't see any kind of libertarian party caring for any kind of true liberty. Just cut backs on the systems powers to limit the excesses of the exploiters in society. If 'far right' wasn't a phrase the media uses for all us nasty racists and bigots, I'd put those lot into it.


My definition of "right-wing" is close to what I believe the classical definition of it is and should be, ie:

- Fairly Conservative, somewhat resistant to "new and improved" ideas and ways of doing things, somewhat intolerant of those who deviate radically from the norm yet who demand that the norm has to adjust to THEM.

(In other words, I have no problem with ppl being different but they shouldn't go around demanding all kinds of special rights, treatment and expect everybody else to fall in line with them)

- Racist, and proud of it
- Nationalist, and proud of it
- Tribalist, and proud of it
- Intolerant of demands for "rights" for Johnny Foreigner whilst he's living or visiting in Euroland

etc

Intolerant of those who deviate from the norm? That makes the rest of your points irrelevant to the current day. Nationalism is unfairly pushed to the end of the left/right spectrum in my opinion. Nationalism can take on many forms.

I see the right as reactionary, capitalist and a preserver of the status quo. The preservation of the class system. Bourgeois capitalism as Ylva said.


Does Breivik exhibit such properties or would he rather be categorised under modern Daily Mail / BBC / The Sun / The Guardian definitions of what "right-wing" supposedly is?

Yes to both my understanding of left and right and the newspapers.

1. Conservative of the worst kind.
2. Islamophobic - instantly sending him into the special place in the spectrum known as far right.

Primus
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 04:07 PM
I should hope that it does. Democracy is a cancer that must be excised from the body ethnic.

Are you familiar with Colin Jordan? He was a British national socialist, something of a prolific writer, and his opinion was exactly the same; his mentor was Arnold Leese, I believe.

Powmia
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 04:57 PM
The only decent far right groups in europe are in Sweden. But they only pose a threat to themselves...

KingOvGermania
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 06:02 PM
I should hope that it does. Democracy is a cancer that must be excised from the body ethnic.
So wuerde ich auch hoffen. Demokratie ist ein Krebsgeschwur der aus dem Volkskoerper ausgeschnitten werden muss.

Not only is democracy a completely utopian idea in theory, it has never, ever existed in practice! Democracy, in its purest form, is one step beyond tribalism. In a truely democratic society, there would be absolutely no leaders whatsoever, and the majority of the community always gets their say, no matter how wrong they are. This not only has never existed in reality, but it couldn't, unless it was on a small island with about 100 people.

Sawyer
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 06:22 PM
Not only is democracy a completely utopian idea in theory, it has never, ever existed in practice! Democracy, in its purest form, is one step beyond tribalism. In a truely democratic society, there would be absolutely no leaders whatsoever, and the majority of the community always gets their say, no matter how wrong they are. This not only has never existed in reality, but it couldn't, unless it was on a small island with about 100 people.

So it's really just the same as communism, both means to an end, the end being an ignorant public with the illusion that they are privileged.

People today are still serious communists, after all the horror of the USSR. They say "oh but, that wasn't really communism, the bourgousie still held power." For christ's sake, "real" communism was never meant to be achieved!

Democracy's the same thing, it just hasn't had its 1991 yet. I can already imagine the future retards saying "but but but, that wasn't democracy! The people never had power."

KingOvGermania
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 09:59 PM
So it's really just the same as communism, both means to an end, the end being an ignorant public with the illusion that they are privileged.

People today are still serious communists, after all the horror of the USSR. They say "oh but, that wasn't really communism, the bourgousie still held power." For christ's sake, "real" communism was never meant to be achieved!

Democracy's the same thing, it just hasn't had its 1991 yet. I can already imagine the future retards saying "but but but, that wasn't democracy! The people never had power."

Well, I can certainly understand where you'd think that, but no, not exactly like communism. Both systems are failures, but for different reasons; Communism fails not necessarily because of Marx's final stage of communism (classless, stateless society where everyone owns the means of production), even though I personally think it would only work on a small island and is utterly utopian, it fails because it gets stuck in the intermediate 'dictatorship of the proletariat' more than anything, this can be observed in every communist country, especially the former Eastern Bloc countries.
Democracy doesn't even have an intermediate stage of development, it's a failure because such an idea would never, EVER exist, even if there was a transitionary period, true democracy would never result from it.
In a sense, pure communism would be the same as pure democracy, but communism is certainly not that in practice.

velvet
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 10:28 PM
...final stage of communism (classless, stateless society where everyone owns the means of production)

The final stage of communism is the removal of 'means of production' ("possession is a crime"), or more general that no one would work for someone else. Everyone is his own farmer, his own cattle breeder and butcher, his own tailor, shoemaker, his own everything, and everyone does what and when he wants. It requires pure democracy in the sense that a local community decides upon common rules in the absense of leaders, or any form of hierarchy for that matter -> anarchy.

The classless society would be a "natural" result of that, as well as a stateless world because they are superfluous in that paradise dystopia.

Tom Schnadelbach
Saturday, April 7th, 2012, 04:30 AM
Are you familiar with Colin Jordan? He was a British national socialist, something of a prolific writer, and his opinion was exactly the same; his mentor was Arnold Leese, I believe.

No, but I shall google them shortly and see what they had to say.

EQ Fighter
Saturday, April 7th, 2012, 05:55 AM
Where I live the right (i.e right-wing) is capitalist and bourgeois and has nothing to do with nationalism. Which is why I'd never ever call myself right-wing since it's quite the opposite of who I am (I'm nowhere near that scale anyway).

The Term "Left/Right" does not translate well for Europe to the United States, in the US the Term Left refers to the US Democratic Party, who are your typical Marxist, and were energized by such organizations as the DFL in the 1960's and Marxist and some times KGB Funded and supported "Civil Rights Movement".
Think 1960's Race Riots here.

Right Wing more or less refers to various constitutionalists and general Americans [White Mostly] Vietnam vets and others that seen the country going to hell in about the years 1975-1989 who formed a backlash to this and had somewhat success of defeating them, up until the Bush Administration more or less derailed the process.



I have no idea whether or not Breivik was right-wing though, I haven't spent any time trying to get to know him.

If you ask me Breivik was a CIA attempt to get a "Scandinavian NAZI Terrorist" for media propaganda reasons. Lets Relate him to "Timothy McVeigh" who actually played little real roll in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building Bombing.

As the old saying goes "Follow the Money" or in this case "Follow the Benefit" which was that the politics in certain Scandinavian countries was moving a bit too far in the Nationalist Position which had to be stopped with a "Tragedy" with a clear "Bad Guy" IE NAZI to take the fall for it.

I just hope that the general Scandinavian Public in these countries do not buy this BS, and chose to think for themselves.

EQ Fighter
Saturday, April 7th, 2012, 06:56 AM
The final stage of communism is the removal of 'means of production' ("possession is a crime"), or more general that no one would work for someone else.

I think this is why at some point you will see Global Government attack any form of open source business, or any form of Robotics that can be used to free communities from Their/Globalist control. This is just about the only reason we are still using Petroleum and other energy sources form the 1900's is Global Government Control.



Everyone is his own farmer, his own cattle breeder and butcher, his own tailor, shoemaker, his own everything, and everyone does what and when he wants.

Maybe not each his own, but there is no reason that, cars, computers, and practically any other object cannot be done in a local community with modern technology. And FOOD for sure SHOULD NOT BE left up to Import from a foreign source.

Note I’m NOT talking about a Multicultural Community here where everyone is only connected by a common monetary system. But one that is based on Race, Culture, and a Community Boundary.

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It requires pure democracy in the sense that a local community decides upon common rules in the absense of leaders, or any form of hierarchy for that matter -> anarchy.

I don’t see a problem with Germanic Populations being their own leaders. Most of us are mature enough to control ourselves.

On the other hand most of the Non-Germanics DO NOT control themselves and many of them are out right dangerous to others around them.

IE they are incapable of living in ANY form of Democracy with out wrecking it. Just as a Gorilla cannot live in a penthouse Apartment without taking a shit on the carpeted floor, or breaking the furnishings.



The classless society would be a "natural" result of that, as well as a stateless world because they are superfluous in that paradise dystopia.

Personally I DO not care about "Classless Society" but I do CARE about a society that is FAIR to people of my own race. And that means NOT being dragged into a "Equal" world View where there is a government controlled "Equality" based on various Theories about Multiculturalism.

I think here is the problem.
ANY Global State Government will NOT be Germanic friendly. Creating a repeat of NAZI Germany based on race in the 21st Century is an Impossibility, because most of the world is NOT Germanic. And Germanic’s have little control over the expansion of Semitic Power, both Jewish and Islamic.

SO that means what you will see is Global Bolshevism, powered by the rising Muslim population and the Jewish Left and Goy Moron Elites in potions of power.

We as a population NEED Decentralization for our survival, and so we can base a new foundation for society.

You should check out this thread (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=1166042#post1166042).
and this Video.
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If we as a Group DO NOT Learn how to leverage this technology in our favour, then we are in for one of the greatest persecutions world wide that has ever happened. It will make anything Romans or Soviet Bolsheviks were able to do or even conceive of like a cake walk.

It will obliterate any notion of a Germanic Population as a distinct group to a thing of the past.

Sawyer
Saturday, April 7th, 2012, 01:52 PM
Well, I can certainly understand where you'd think that, but no, not exactly like communism. Both systems are failures, but for different reasons; Communism fails not necessarily because of Marx's final stage of communism (classless, stateless society where everyone owns the means of production), even though I personally think it would only work on a small island and is utterly utopian, it fails because it gets stuck in the intermediate 'dictatorship of the proletariat' more than anything, this can be observed in every communist country, especially the former Eastern Bloc countries.
Democracy doesn't even have an intermediate stage of development, it's a failure because such an idea would never, EVER exist, even if there was a transitionary period, true democracy would never result from it.
In a sense, pure communism would be the same as pure democracy, but communism is certainly not that in practice.

Yes, I know they are different. But they are two sides of the same coin.

Think of it like this, since the rise of Communism in the East, we have been made to think there are only 2 ideas in a battle to the death, Communism and Capitalism/Democracy/"The Free World"

It's a chessboard, we're the various pieces. We're fighting against the other guys for our king (idea), but in reality, it's just a Zionist Jew who is playing himself at chess.

Communism and Capitalism (I include democracy in the umbrella term of Capitalism), are both means to an end, a globalised, stateless world that is run from Israel.

velvet
Saturday, April 7th, 2012, 05:56 PM
I think this is why at some point you will see Global Government attack any form of open source business, or any form of Robotics that can be used to free communities from Their/Globalist control. This is just about the only reason we are still using Petroleum and other energy sources form the 1900's is Global Government Control.

I agree, the entire business world is built upon mainly artificially created dependencies, in order to keep the profit generation going.



Maybe not each his own, but there is no reason that, cars, computers, and practically any other object cannot be done in a local community with modern technology. And FOOD for sure SHOULD NOT BE left up to Import from a foreign source.

Note I’m NOT talking about a Multicultural Community here where everyone is only connected by a common monetary system. But one that is based on Race, Culture, and a Community Boundary.

Again, I agree, unfortunately though, we're not alone on the world, so we really better hope that nations (states/territories with a defined border recognised by other nations) dont cease to exist anytime soon. Without them, there are no means whatsoever to have a "mine" (our people, race, culture) and "yours" (those who dont belong here race-wise) on whose base we can throw them out, and then go on to structure our communities how we wish, which is in accordance with our way to go about culture, community, society, law etc without having to care about others.

Marx's philosophy imho also would lead to a regress in terms of progress. Progress, be it in science, in technology, in most fields in fact, requires Specialisation, the more specialised someone is in his field the more he can push the envelop. If everyone is an all-rounder because one must be one, no one is specialised because people are busy to farm their piece of land, care for their cattle, make shoes and clothing etc and then there's simply no time left to specialise, most likely the majority of people would do nothing else than the basics.

Civilisation needs specialisation to advance. This will always also lead to "classes" and hierarchy, although I agree that one can order this fundamentally different from how it was done in the past.


I don’t see a problem with Germanic Populations being their own leaders. Most of us are mature enough to control ourselves.

Personally I DO not care about "Classless Society" but I do CARE about a society that is FAIR to people of my own race. And that means NOT being dragged into a "Equal" world View where there is a government controlled "Equality" based on various Theories about Multiculturalism.

Imho hierarchy (however this may look in detail) is just as natural to us as most of our other traits. People who form a team will bring forth sooner or later a team leader, and there is seriously nothing wrong with that.

Hierarchy, and in fact even the "inequality" of rights are necessities for a functioning society. Nietzsche said, and imho the current reality proves this point quite well, that the "equality of rights can all too easy automatically transform into the equality of the absense of rights (or the equality of injustice)".


The Japanese proved quite successfully that a hierarchy can be maintained without material disadvantages, without producing homeless, poor and dispossessed people, and without infringing on their basic rights as human beings. They maintain inequality and hierarchy only through immaterial means, ie their honor system which defines an individual's position within the hierarchy and access to further privileges, taking both their social environment and individual merit into account. It's not stiff layers of classes like it was here where ups and downs basically were impossible. NS Germany also tried to implement a similar system, in the short time it existed, quite successfully imho.



I think here is the problem.
ANY Global State Government will NOT be Germanic friendly. Creating a repeat of NAZI Germany based on race in the 21st Century is an Impossibility, because most of the world is NOT Germanic. And Germanic’s have little control over the expansion of Semitic Power, both Jewish and Islamic.

SO that means what you will see is Global Bolshevism, powered by the rising Muslim population and the Jewish Left and Goy Moron Elites in potions of power.

We as a population NEED Decentralization for our survival, and so we can base a new foundation for society.

If we as a Group DO NOT Learn how to leverage this technology in our favour, then we are in for one of the greatest persecutions world wide that has ever happened. It will make anything Romans or Soviet Bolsheviks were able to do or even conceive of like a cake walk.

It will obliterate any notion of a Germanic Population as a distinct group to a thing of the past.

That's why I said that we need nations, and preferably strong nations with an active defense.

I dont disagree that we need to restructure our civilisation as such, internally for us, but without a thick red line that seperates "ours" from "theirs", we are lost, and we'll indeed be wiped off by the storm of third worlders pouring into our regions, which will happen not only because we have the nicer civilisation, but simply because with the ongoing climate change millions of people will be driven out of their homelands, some like in the Indian Ocean (Bali etc) already drown from the rising sea levels, others have an expanding Sahara in their backs that drives them out, Siltation also happens in Spain already etc.

Imho it's not the time for experiments right now, we need nations and states and armies to defend us. Doesnt mean that we cant think about other structures, specially for food supply etc, which would indeed be vital for us. We need to thrive to re-create nation-states, of course the Globalists will call that "nazi", but if we fail to recreate nation-states, we will lose this struggle.

Once the world population is reduced back to a proper level of dont know, 2bio maybe, things will be easier for us again :)

Sigyn
Saturday, April 7th, 2012, 06:36 PM
The Japanese proved quite successfully that a hierarchy can be maintained without material disadvantages, without producing homeless, poor and dispossessed people, and without infringing on their basic rights as human beings. They maintain inequality and hierarchy only through immaterial means, ie their honor system which defines an individual's position within the hierarchy and access to further privileges
Well, you're right about the Japanese and their social hierarchy. On the other hand, they're a mongoloid race and this is the system that is best suited to them; I'm not sure I'd want to live in a society like Japan all my life. Obviously, the aristocratic idea once existed in Europeans as well, but the social system of the Japanese is the product of an Asiatic culture that goes back thousands of years, and is very alien to our Germanic minds.

Also, keep in mind that the Japanese and Korean caste systems have functioned so well because they're homogenous countries. It's really the multi-racial caste systems, like India and Latin America, that create misery and shocking poverty.


NS Germany also tried to implement a similar system, in the short time it existed, quite successfully imho.
I'm not aware that NS Germany ever tried to implement a similar caste system to the Japanese one. My impression is that NS state didn't really interfere in people's lives, outside of the political realm, and most Germans just continued the same lives under the NS regime that they led before. Correct me if I'm wrong, though.

(The SS did have a hierarchy of sorts, based on racial criteria, but this was obviously never extended to the civilian German population.)

liveevildevil
Saturday, April 7th, 2012, 07:12 PM
Breivik is not right wing, he is a shabbas goy, he loves the hebrews and hates their enemy the muslims and did what he did to punish Norway for not unconditionally supporting the zionist entity. No right winger would shoot up norwegian children. BTW, I'm not a right winger. NS is neither left wing or right wing. It is sui generis, in a class by itself.

Just maybe it would be a good idea if the left wing should tyrannically crack down on everyone opposed to "alien invasion". It might backfire and cause the masses of white people to finally take a stand. (....)

Actually... well.. "tyrannical" is a bit too hard a statement, maybe... but as a matter of fact the so called "cultural elite" in Norway IS cracking down on those opposed to "alien invation" ... well not only those, but even on free-thinking PRO-multiculturalism people discussing freely the matter... AND: The Backfire DID manifest in the form of Breivik... and he attacked the (potential) future followers of those naive moraliST crack-downers.... they MADE Breivik... backfire no doubt... that would never have happened if these worries were allowed to be freely discussed... oh, they ARE allowed by law to be discussed... but then you'd have to tolerate threats, being freezed out, being ridicculed, being beaten up by quasi-moralist bullies.. i.e: free speech in theory not practice......

As of why he has these zionist-sympathies.. I agree.... I can't understand that... and I was really provoked when running hebrew online-newspaper-comments through Google-translate right after the attacks.... zionists in Israel had seen pictures of the campers showing pro-palestine banners, so they, the people chosen by GOD, commented hatefull things like "they had it coming".... and the moderators of those newspapers obviously didn't bother to do anything.....

velvet
Saturday, April 7th, 2012, 07:32 PM
The system Japan today has is essentially NS, it's not their traditional system, and it's not caste based. The system Japan has today has been put in place by the Kaiser with harsh social reforms during the 20s and 30s, and when he was forced to abdicate after WWII, it was already in place. He also wisely made sure that the democratic clown show would not have power over important factors (hence the sometimes funny fist fights in Japanese parliament, if that clown show would actually govern Japan, it would be Sodom and Gomorrah, just like here). Japan is a complex thing, but it has only little to do with their traditional system.

And imho the fact that we here fundamentally reject any form of engineered social cohesion is very much one of our fundamental problems. It's not that this would be our nature like it is today, it is a product of the last 200 years (French Revolution onwards). When everyone rejects perceiving himself as part of a folk first, there simply is no more folk.

What NS did was putting the people back into an order within society (look for exampe the BDM thread), they teached them values, how to behave and how to handle their tasks so that they'd be able to teach those things to their children, because since more than 100 years everyone just screamed for more rights, more freedom, more egotism, more me me me, pushing the very concept of community ever further backwards in the order of things that matter.

Most people are sheeple, they need someone to tell them what to do and how, a fact that is entirely independent of the possibility that they are smart and intelligent. To quote Nietzsche once more, it would be a sign of modest acknowledgement if we would eventually accept this stupid little detail and become more Japanese again (he said Chinese, which back then maybe was valid since there still was a Chinese Empire and not the communist mess it is now). Social cohesion is an inborn trait, not only for them but also for us, it is a necessity and in fact a human desire. Without it, society is an empty word that refers to a collection of individuals who happen to share a living space. Exceptions grow from that "mediocre" basis. But they in turn need this mediocre base to grow on, that which enables them to grow above and beyond that in the first place. What in Hel's name would be so terrible about it if people would be a "useful wheel in the gear" (a useful part and member of the folk first and foremost), a position with which most people are happy too?

It's simply wrong that everyone is an "exception", a "fighter", an "aristocrat". Most people are entirely happy with a profession that they can serve, and in turn this means that our societies produce thousands of "white trash", because our retarded ideology demands from them that they fight for their place and the very opportunities to get one at all, and because their character, their traits and their desire is incapable of doing so and they consequently fail.

Our societies currently (since 200+ years, the beginnings of that development are even older) have a lot of problems on their own, and we'd still have these problems without cultural marxism and millions of foreigners. And one of the most fundamental problems is the turn-around of perception and valueing of being a member of a folk body vs the individual is the be-all and end-all and everything else is "voluntary". This is just another BS dystopia that will bring us down even without foreign "help" to go extinct.

ampersand
Sunday, April 8th, 2012, 01:58 AM
Not that I think things can be solved through a ballot box these days, but it looks like Greece will elect some members of the Golden Dawn to parliament in the upcoming national elections. I believe it will be the first time that an openly national socialist party has achieved national representation in Europe since the days of the SRP after the war in Germany.

Sawyer
Sunday, April 8th, 2012, 04:00 AM
Not that I think things can be solved through a ballot box these days, but it looks like Greece will elect some members of the Golden Dawn to parliament in the upcoming national elections. I believe it will be the first time that an openly national socialist party has achieved national representation in Europe since the days of the SRP after the war in Germany.

This is one thing people often forget about. Political parties are not the be-all and end-all, they are merely the political wing of a greater movement.

The movement, needs many faces, a party, a youth league, something similar to the Magyar Garda/Sturmabteilung, etc etc.

It needs to be built from the ground up, grass-roots level. People need to know that a vote for the party, is a vote for the nation itself, a vote for the very spirit of the people.

I always say this, the Jobbik party of Hungary, is the absolutely perfect modern adaption of the NSDAP. They are a model for success.

If anyone is pessimistic about the chances of Nationalist triumph, look again at Jobbik. It received about 2% of the votes in the federal elections in 2006, about the same as most nationalist parties in Europe. Now, later that year, Vona Gabor took over, he instantly created the Magyar Garda (modern SA), expanded the party rapidly, and by the next elections, Jobbik gets about 17% of the votes. A 15% increase!!!!

We need something like the Magyar Garda to protect our parties from harrassment, and so that the current governments realise they need to take us seriously, and fear us.

Look at the modern governments, they are all cold contraptions that have no love for us. We're numbers in a book to them.

Our parties and movements need to make people feel like they genuinely matter, we need to be telling children "In your blood, flows the blood of many heroes, the spirit of Hermann marches within you, the spirit of the Teutonic knights who civilised the East, the spirit of those Vikings who sailed out, to find settlements as far as Canada, the spirit of legends. Live up to them."

A new state cannot come from the top down, it needs to be organic, to grow from within the people. Because when we need loyalty, belief and fanaticism, we can always find this within the people themselves.

EQ Fighter
Sunday, April 8th, 2012, 06:11 AM
Imho it's not the time for experiments right now, we need nations and states and armies to defend us. Doesnt mean that we cant think about other structures, specially for food supply etc, which would indeed be vital for us. We need to thrive to re-create nation-states, of course the Globalists will call that "nazi", but if we fail to recreate nation-states, we will lose this struggle.

I think the problem here is there is no room for any other Nation other than the globalist in their world view. That means that in order for them to survive they HAVE to enforce Multiculturalism at ALL COST.



I don’t disagree that we need to restructure our civilization as such, internally for us, but without a thick red line that separates "ours" from "theirs", we are lost, and we'll indeed be wiped off by the storm of third worlders pouring into our regions, which will happen not only because we have the nicer civilization, but simply because with the ongoing climate change millions of people will be driven out of their homelands, some like in the Indian Ocean (Bali etc) already drown from the rising sea levels, others have an expanding Sahara in their backs that drives them out, Siltation also happens in Spain already etc.

All the more reason to Start Building strong Germanic Communities based on Objective and Scientific principal. The State as it currently exist will not help any of the above problems.

The only option I think Germanic people have in an overcrowded world is to form independent Micro Nations, that are self supporting. And basically remove any resources that feed the Global Government.

I think we can already see this happening as times get tough in the form of what is called "Intentional Communities". These are far stronger than Imperial Globalism, and will out live it. So in 100 years it is likely that these will be the main manifestations of the way people live.

Here are some things I have observed in regard to the differences of Nation vs State.

I DO NOT see them as the same entity, and in fact are diametrically opposed to each other.

Nation is organic and based on things like Race, Culture, common values, and most of the time common geography.

>Nation because it is a community can take into account the differences among people in their own race and make adjustments based on Fairness and does not need "Equality".

>Nation/Race is held together by blood not economics.

>Nation is naturally efficient because it is based on nature.

>Nation by nature is Anti-Multicultural because it has no need to integrate to survive.

>Nation by its very nature has no need to fight resource wars to propel empire.

>In essence Nation/Race is the only system that can achieve stability.



State is NON-organic and based on "Laws" that have been created by "Leaders" generally on some set of agreed upon statistics.

>State promotes "Equality" which is nothing more than as set of numerical or legal values that are the same for everyone in society.

>State is based on the number of people in a geographical area and not on the Race of the people or the natural value they have to that region.

>State is Multicultural by its very nature and because it's highest value is "Equality" and not "Fairness" it cannot treat people of different races differently because it is based on numerical equality not reality or fairness.

>State is Unfair to all that reside in it.

>State is corrupt and wasteful.

>State is incapable of making rational decisions.

>In essence State is artificial Bull Shit!
State is non sustainable.



on whose base we can throw them out, and then go on to structure our communities how we wish, which is in accordance with our way to go about culture, community, society, law etc without having to care about others.

Well first of all NONE of this has anything what so ever to do about "Caring About Others", you can "Care all you want about say Somalis form Africa, but if you let them capsize your life boat, then you are both dead.

Which then makes you NOT Caring but Stupid. Stupidity is NOT Compassion, it is Just Stupidity. Stupidity is NOT a virtue.

I have no problem caring about other people, but there are degrees of care I would think, with my family members being at the top, then my Nationality, then humanity as a whole.

But Trespass and Theft is a lousy ways to build a friendship, and in the case of these people, they have crossed the line, which means they have invalidated the "Care Aspect", and It is NOT up to Germanic Society to give them further space for violation.

The Ball is now in their court!

FOR THE RECORD LIBERALS ARE NOT CARING THEY ARE EVIL.

Sigyn
Sunday, April 8th, 2012, 11:11 AM
The system Japan today has is essentially NS, it's not their traditional system, and it's not caste based.
It's an outgrowth of the traditional system, though. Japan has always been a hierarchical country where the official "leaders" (whether it's emperors or parliaments) have very little power, and the samurai class makes the decisions. One could say that Japan needs the illusion of the absolute leader, while in reality there is an upper caste that governs the society.


And imho the fact that we here fundamentally reject any form of engineered social cohesion is very much one of our fundamental problems. It's not that this would be our nature like it is today, it is a product of the last 200 years (French Revolution onwards). When everyone rejects perceiving himself as part of a folk first, there simply is no more folk.
I agree with this.


What NS did was putting the people back into an order within society (look for exampe the BDM thread), they teached them values, how to behave and how to handle their tasks so that they'd be able to teach those things to their children, because since more than 100 years everyone just screamed for more rights, more freedom, more egotism, more me me me, pushing the very concept of community ever further backwards in the order of things that matter.
My point was that while the NS regime did instill a sense of ethnic community in the Germans, they never tried to implement a semi-official caste system like the one we see in Japan. The NS leadership were decidedly non-aristocratic. (In fact, they were often at odds with the traditional Prussian aristocracy).


To quote Nietzsche once more, it would be a sign of modest acknowledgement if we would eventually accept this stupid little detail and become more Japanese again (he said Chinese, which back then maybe was valid since there still was a Chinese Empire and not the communist mess it is now).
Red China today is many things, but "a mess" is not one of them. During the time Nietzsche wrote that, China was a much messier and weaker country than it is today (Europeans even had colonies there).

EQ Fighter
Monday, April 9th, 2012, 02:49 AM
It's an outgrowth of the traditional system, though. Japan has always been a hierarchical country where the official "leaders" (whether it's emperors or parliaments) have very little power, and the samurai class makes the decisions. One could say that Japan needs the illusion of the absolute leader, while in reality there is an upper caste that governs the society.

That would be an Oligarchy, which is what most governments evolve into to given time. [Rule by the Eleits]

I will say this though, the Ninja were especially good at killing members of the samurai class :thumbup


I agree with this.



My point was that while the NS regime did instill a sense of ethnic community in the Germans, they never tried to implement a semi-official caste system like the one we see in Japan. The NS leadership were decidedly non-aristocratic. (In fact, they were often at odds with the traditional Prussian aristocracy).

Aristocracy is more or less an inadequate defence system to maintain an ethnic nation, because ultimately all you need to happen is the wrong intermarriage and the entire thing is shot to hell. NS were more scientific than that, and used genetics as a determining factor. Which is a provable point, and cannot be disputed by political intermarriage.



Red China today is many things, but "a mess" is not one of them. During the time Nietzsche wrote that, China was a much messier and weaker country than it is today (Europeans even had colonies there).

China is more or less "Not a Mess" because they dumped most of the economic socialism that was part of the earlier Communist Regime. They are now more or less Market Fascist, in the since that they allow the government to run Corporations, and only get involved when there is an issue. Also they have the imminence western markets, and corrupt politicians that keep feeding them resources.