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norda
Saturday, July 10th, 2004, 08:23 PM
Any other info concerning Slavic-Aryan linguistic similarities are very welcome.

Linguistic closeness of Slavic language(s) (and less Baltic) to old Indo-Iranian languages is quite well known and has nothing to do with supposed Croat-Iranian similarities. Vocabularies are close in older layer.


God- Bog- Baga,
Saint- Swienty, Sventy- Spenta
Birch- Brzoza, Bereza- Buria
Mother- Matka, Mat – Mata
Son- Syn- Sunus
Brother- Brat – Bratar
Mother in Law- Swiekra- Swasru
Ewe- Owca, Avca- Awi
Cock- Kur- Kurn
Grain-Z iarno- Zarai
Plough- Socha – Sacha
Meat- Mieso, Maso- Mamsa
Cheese- Ser- Sara
Honey- Miod, Med. – Madu
Village- Wies, Wes – Wesa
Door- Drzwi, Dvery- Dwara
Fire- Ogien, Agon- Agni
Month- Miesiac, Mesac- Mas
Winter- Zima- Zim
Spring- Wiosna, Wesna- Wasanta
Knowledge- Wiedza,Veda- Weda
Two- Dwa- Dwa
Four- Cztery, Czetyre- Czetwar
Five- Pienc, Piat – Pancza
Ten- Dziesec, Deset- Daszcza


Also grammatical forms show greater similarity to extinct languages- Vedic, Sanskrit, Latin. Slavic languages (and Indo-Iranian to some degree) preserved in the pure form declension and conjugation by the change of endings and vowel “r”.

bocian
Sunday, July 11th, 2004, 03:11 PM
Good stuff norda.

I encourage everyone to give some imput. It took me about an hour to compile this list, from scratch. Here are some more:

English, Polish, Indo-Iranian

orange, pomarancza, naragga
water, woda, var
heaven, niebo, nebah
queer, (demonic, strange) , dziwny, diva, daeva

Interesting to note that, deivos, the adjective for devine in other IE languages, means the opposite in Slavic and Iranian.

paradise, raj, ray
'for god's sake', 'bog radzi' or 'boga radi', bagahya radij
faith, wiara, vera, ver
when, kiedy, kada
both, oba, ubha
always, zawsze, sada
then, wtedy, tada
house, dom, dham

Here are some links:
http://www.elcom.ru/~abhinanda/skt-rivers.htm
http://www.uni-koeln.de/phil-fak/indologie/tamil/cap_search.html

norda
Sunday, July 11th, 2004, 07:35 PM
The connections and difference Baga/Deves God/Devil Bog/Div are really fascinating.
Etymology of both words:
Latin deus Italian dio, Spanish dios, Portuguese diaz) came from Greek theo which is connected praIE deivos (heaven) – Sanskrit devas oraz Old Iranian daevo.

Bog Russian, Serbian bogu, Czech buh is similar to Old Iranian baga or Old Indian bhaga, Zoroastrian baga (Pers. god)
http://www.avesta.org/zglos.html
came from pra IE bhagan – word connected with happiness and wealth.

Its interesting that in close Baltic also devas (lit) appears as god.

I have heard about some theories explaining this dualism (like Christianity) but it seems both words are well fixed in pra-IE.
Maybe our Serbian friends could explain something from this site..
http://pub37.ezboard.com/fistorijabalkanafrm20.showMessage?topicI D=92.topic

norda
Monday, July 12th, 2004, 02:04 PM
Linguists use a similar comparative method to determine that Proto-Indo-Europeans sorted nouns by gender (masculine, feminine, or neuter) and number (singular, plural, or dual [for two of a kind]). Each noun, moreover, had eight cases, depending on its purpose in a sentence, and each one had a different ending.

Thanks to Thorburn: In Quest of Our Linguistic Ancestors The Elusive Origins of the Indo-Europeans (https://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=145239&postcount=1)

As far as I know noun case system using different endings preserved to some degree in Romance, better in German (while almost extinct in English)
http://www.peacelink.de/keyword/German_grammar.php#The_Noun
http://www.unilang2.org/resources/grammar/germanplurals.html#Declension1

and almost in full form preserved in Slavic.

Lets see Russian declensions - different ending for 6 cases x 3 genders x singular, plural, or dual forms

http://www.departments.bucknell.edu/russian/language/case.html

and Polish- (very similar structure and even one more case- rare Vocative)
http://online-textbooks.fablis.com/index.php/Polish:Noun_cases
http://online-textbooks.fablis.com/index.php/Basic_Polish_language_course

I do hope Triglav (when return) will tell us more about other Slavic language systems.

norda
Monday, July 12th, 2004, 02:13 PM
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15958&stc=1
Interesting article but unfortunately in Polish
http://grzegorj.w.interia.pl/lingwpl/germannieindo.html