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Rothhammer
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 12:32 AM
We know today the Vikings made it first to the Americas. The name has never been changed to reflect that. What are your opinions?

karolvs
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 12:43 AM
Instead of being "America" after the wrong explorer, we should be Vinland. But in todays "promote the minority" attitude in the US, it would never happen. At least we should have a day to recognize our true roots, instead of Columbus Day, or even if they would never give up Columbus Day, we should still have a Leif Erikson Day

Stanley
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 03:52 AM
It was Columbus whose voyages ultimately led to the British colonizing North America and the subsequent founding of our nation. The Norse settlement of North America has nothing to do with our legacy and is simply an interesting side note.

Honestly though, whining over trivialities like this is something I expect from minorities.

Rothhammer
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 03:55 AM
And their whining gains them ground on the political field everyday. Squeeky wheel...

AuroraNordalis
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 04:07 AM
It was Columbus whose voyages ultimately led to the British colonizing North America and the subsequent founding of our nation. The Norse settlement of North America has nothing to do with our legacy and is simply an interesting side note.

Then they should change it to how Columbus opened the doors for Europeans
instead of lies. The Norse settlement has allot to do with our legacy as it shows who was first and brave.

Just because the Norse didn't spread the word in a time period were there was much more isolation in communication doesn't mean they don't deserve the honor. Columbus was a product of his environment. If it wasn't for "the age of exploration" when everyone and their mom wanted to see the world
Columbus probably wouldn't have been financed. It was Marco Polo that helped gain Columbus his momentum.

The Norse just needed themselves.




Honestly though, whining over trivialities like this is something I expect from minorities.

Not when the truth needs to be heard. We live in a society that doesn't know its Germanic roots. Germanic heritage and respect for them is a necessity.

Stanley
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 04:34 AM
If what you care about is who was here first, then your attention should go to the Amerindians, who crossed the Bering land bridge to the Americas well before the Norse settled here.

But who was here first is not the point. Columbus' "discovery", not the others, catalyzed the formation of the New World nations.



Not when the truth needs to be heard. We live in a society that doesn't know its Germanic roots. Germanic heritage and respect for them is a necessity.

The Norse settlement of North America is not (directly) part of our Germanic heritage. :confused

AuroraNordalis
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 04:37 AM
If what you care about is who was here first, then your attention should go to the Amerindians, who crossed the Bering land bridge to the Americas well before the Norse settled here.

But who was here first is not the point. Columbus' "discovery", not the others, catalyzed the formation of the New World nations.




The Norse settlement of North America is not (directly) part of our Germanic heritage. :confused

We are talking about the first Europeans and the Norse settlement is a part of Germanic heritage. How is it not? are you saying that the Vikings re not Germanic?

Huginn ok Muninn
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 04:44 AM
Leif Erikson Day (http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/leif-erikson-day)

Conveniently, it coincides with Columbus Day.

AuroraNordalis
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 04:47 AM
Leif Erikson Day (http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/leif-erikson-day)

Conveniently, it coincides with Columbus Day.

yeah but the vast majority of people don't know or care about it.

its an invisible holiday.

karolvs
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 05:07 AM
It was Columbus whose voyages ultimately led to the British colonizing North America and the subsequent founding of our nation. The Norse settlement of North America has nothing to do with our legacy and is simply an interesting side note.

Honestly though, whining over trivialities like this is something I expect from minorities.

But Columbus never set foot on the mainland, so should we celebrate the Spanish explorers who did? Since we shouldn't care about who was first. Whining over trivialities? I don't find it trivial that yet again Northwestern Europeans have to take a backseat to people who did somethingafter them. And it would be one thing if they credit Columbus with what led to the colonization here, however, they credit him with "discovering" it. May be trivial to some, but history is important, and to fill it with lies will have effects on the future.

Stanley
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 05:28 AM
Columbus Day has nothing to do with the destruction of our Germanic heritage, and the Norse settlement of North America has nothing to do with our national heritage.

Let's shift our attention to real problems.

Hilderinc
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 05:40 AM
And their whining gains them ground on the political field everyday.

You want us to start whining? You want us to bring ourselves down to the level of the silly "minorities"? You want us to play by the rules of this horrible system designed to destroy us?

Our ancestors (including Leif Eriksson) didn't whine about things. They got things done.



But seriously guys, do you ever expect our government or schools to acknowledge/teach the truth (let alone useful facts)? :oanieyes

The Hungry Hun
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 09:25 AM
It was Columbus whose voyages ultimately led to the British colonizing North America and the subsequent founding of our nation.


...which led to them bringing hordes of slaves over to grow tobacco for Newport Lights and cotton for South Pole t-shirts which their progeny love oh so much...


Leif Erikson Day (http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/us/leif-erikson-day)

Conveniently, it coincides with Columbus Day.

I think that's because of Pres. LBJ or something... he recognized that fact Nords were here first and made it Leif Erikson day as well.

Rothhammer
Saturday, October 8th, 2011, 01:36 PM
You want us to start whining? You want us to bring ourselves down to the level of the silly "minorities"? You want us to play by the rules of this horrible system designed to destroy us?

Our ancestors (including Leif Eriksson) didn't whine about things. They got things done.



But seriously guys, do you ever expect our government or schools to acknowledge/teach the truth (let alone useful facts)? :oanieyes

What he calls whining I consider fighting for a voice, and I refuse to sit by as the minorities steal ours if favor of rewriting history to make themselves feel like they did something. The blacks, the arabs, the mexicans, the asians, and the others will wonder why these "crackers" care so much, but if we tried to rid ourselves of fake holidays like "martin luther king day" because it's existance is an affront to us, they'd get furious and call us racist.

No. I don't expect our schools and government to aknowledge/ teach the truth as long as those that know the truth let lies spread cause they're concerned the minorities will accuse them of whining.

Rothhammer
Sunday, October 9th, 2011, 11:35 PM
Happy Leif Ericson day!!!

Elessar
Sunday, October 9th, 2011, 11:42 PM
The Viking settlements in Newfoundland weren't effective in the long run and didn't contribute to the history of settlement of the Americas by Europeans. Columbus' voyages and settlements let loose the floodgates of Europeans onto American soil, ergo, why were celebrate it. Not because the Jew-Run Liberal media hates Germanic people.
It's a pretty fallacious statement to say that Vikings "first" made it to the Americas. Before Columbus, yes, but there have been multiple settlements by various peoples throughout history, Amerindians for example. And please refrain from telling the the "Red-haired Giants" claim, I'm talking solely about the dominant culture..

Skadi German"ic"o-centrism can be a serious intellectual downfall.

Alfadur
Monday, October 10th, 2011, 10:49 PM
Well, Americans should definitely have a celebration in remembrance of Leif Erikson because he was the first European who got there, after all. I'd put it on a different date than Columbus Day, to emphasize its importance.


The Viking settlements in Newfoundland weren't effective in the long run and didn't contribute to the history of settlement of the Americas by Europeans. Columbus' voyages and settlements let loose the floodgates of Europeans onto American soil, ergo, why were celebrate it.
Indeed. That's why I'd also keep Columbus Day as a public holiday. Because it was his voyage to the Americas that resulted in the permanent connection between the New World and the Old - and, eventually, mass movement of European peoples which created the USA. That's the main reason why Columbus has been more remembered than Erikson.

The Vikings did make the voyage there first, but their small settlement in Vinland had no major impact on the Americas as a whole. It did not change the course of human history. If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, does it still make a sound?

Ĉmeric
Monday, October 10th, 2011, 11:13 PM
Instead of being "America" after the wrong explorer, we should be Vinland.

The Naming of America (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=93556)

Columbus Day does commemorate the beginning of a continuous connection between Europe & the New World, the beginning of the "Atlantic Age". The only negative thing about Columbus Day is that in many parts of the US it is an Italian pride day, as though Italians had anything to do with the founding of any of the current nations of the Western Hemisphere. It is not even certain that Columbus was Italian.

Alfadur
Monday, October 10th, 2011, 11:18 PM
It is not even certain that Columbus was Italian.
I always thought he was Genoese. But anyways, Columbus being Italian or not doesn't even matter one bit - it was a Spanish expedition to the New World, financed and organized by the Spanish royalty. The individual Christopher Columbus could have been anything.


as though Italians had anything to do with the founding of any of the current nations of the Western Hemisphere.
Well, it was the Italian explorer Amerigo Vespucchi who named the entire place "America" after himself. :P But yes, apart from that, Italy had nothing to do with the founding of the nations.

karolvs
Monday, October 10th, 2011, 11:32 PM
Strange, if Columbus is the one and only true "discoverer" of America, then why is it America? After Amerigo Vespucci? Hmmmm, again, it is an example of giving credit where credit is not due. And I take issue with the Idea that Columbus' trip is what led to a permanent settlement of English 117 years later. After all, Columbus did lead to the settlement of the outlying islands, of South America, of Mexico, and eventually, maybe Florida's settlement can be attributed to him, however, not the English settlements of the east coast that came a full 100 years after him. So come on, quit trying to argue just for arguments sake. If Columbus opened the "floodgates" as you say, then it would have happened a long time before it did.

Ĉmeric
Monday, October 10th, 2011, 11:46 PM
Strange, if Columbus is the one and only true "discoverer" of America, then why is it America? After Amerigo Vespucci?You didn't click the link?
Hmmmm, again, it is an example of giving credit where credit is not due. And I take issue with the Idea that Columbus' trip is what led to a permanent settlement of English 117 years later. After all, Columbus did lead to the settlement of the outlying islands, of South America, of Mexico, and eventually, maybe Florida's settlement can be attributed to him, however, not the English settlements of the east coast that came a full 100 years after him. So come on, quit trying to argue just for arguments sake. If Columbus opened the "floodgates" as you say, then it would have happened a long time before it did.John Cabot made "official voyages" on behalf of King Henry VII immediately after the Columbus "discovery". Before the end of the 1400s there were English fisheries establish in Newfoundland. The English had a continuous presence in North America from the 1490s onward, though it was only in 1607 that the first successful permanent year-round settlement (as opposed to seasonal camps disbanded when the fleets returned to England for the winter) was established.

Stanley
Tuesday, October 11th, 2011, 05:54 AM
It should probably be pointed out that Columbus Day is not a big deal here anyway. I only heard it mentioned twice today, both in passing, and one of them ironically.

That's why I say it's trivial to worry over it. Nobody takes this "holiday" seriously, let alone celebrates it as some sort of American Latin heritage event, except for maybe a few unaware Italians.