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grelor
Wednesday, July 7th, 2004, 12:23 AM
Well take a look at the last mathematical Olympiad.

http://imo.wolfram.com/scores/bycountry.html

Most European countries seem to excel except of Scandinavian countries.
My country Greece goes quite well for a 10.000.000 country.
Now should I start making comments like ?those nordic cannot compare even to Venezuela(don?t even mention Uzbekistan)??
The answer is simple: NO.
Now all you Nordics think what would you say if the ranks where opposite.
This goes for some old threads on scadi which presented some obscure tables that supposedly prove the Nordic IQ superiority over meds.

RedEgosyntonicSun
Wednesday, July 7th, 2004, 12:45 AM
Well take a look at the last mathematical Olympiad.

http://imo.wolfram.com/scores/bycountry.html

Most European countries seem to excel except of Scandinavian countries.
My country Greece goes quite well for a 10.000.000 country.
Now should I start making comments like ?those nordic cannot compare even to Venezuela(don?t even mention Uzbekistan)??
The answer is simple: NO.
Now all you Nordics think what would you say if the ranks where opposite.
This goes for some old threads on scadi which presented some obscure tables that supposedly prove the Nordic IQ superiority over meds.Yep, the great scientist Jensen (Thorburn bless him) "proved" that nordic countries
have higher mean IQ (whatever IQ means). You should gather all the gold
medals of Sweden(0), Norway(0), Finland(0), Iceland(0), Danemark(0), and
Germany(1) even to reach the sum of 1 !!!! Bravo!
Bulgaria has 3 gold medals.
The Flynn efect?

Renwein
Wednesday, July 7th, 2004, 01:57 AM
I'm terrible at maths :)

Well, I wouldn't want to say anything 'against the team' but there are a lot of successful chess players from eastern europe, the middle east @ regions around it, Kazakhstan etc. Maybe that's some link with maths going on .... but on the other hand there have been many great Nordish mathmaticians, like Newton :P. Russia's (2nd place) team looks quite nordic too, and the USA's (3rd place) non-mongols are nordic. So I don't think that's a fair conclusion ;).

And further : None of Spain, Portugal (0 medals!!), Greece, or Italy won any gold medals either. All of those scandinavian countries you listed (Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland) all have populations smaller then Greece. I really don't see any meaningful 'victory' for meds, nords, or any euros, we could draw from these results at all. each 'sides' (lol) results are a 'curates egg' :P

Looking through those team pictures at their phenotypes was quite intresting, partuculaly the number of mongaloids in the old English-speaking colonies, USA/Canada/Australia/NZ... Canada's team was 2/3rds mongoloid :eek.... Kazakhstan had a predominantly mongoloid looking team... China wins (but then they have a huge population to draw candidates, amongst other factors)

For what it's worth I think Austria had the best looking team :P

as far as I saw the UK was the only country to submit a Negroid competitor. Why must this be happening to us??PLEASE SOMEONE?! WHYYYY? :sad:blush:whine

Glenlivet
Wednesday, July 7th, 2004, 06:25 PM
It is more a matter of culturally conservative countries encouraging students of maths and physics. There is a problem in Sweden now that so few go for engineering studies. The only reason is not the current economic recession that affected IT companies.

Why not look at who the net contributors are in the EU?

EU budget generates major net transfers into Cohesion Countries (http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/01/1312&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en) - "In relative terms, Sweden was the largest net contributor (0.50 % of GNP)"

Business: The Economy The EU Budget explained (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/the_economy/303439.stm) - "Germany has been by far the biggest net contributor, along with some of the smaller rich countries like the Netherlands, Sweden and Austria."

EU budget : All Member States benefit the poorer more than the others (http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/03/1269&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en)

Member states getting impatient on EU budget (http://www.independenceuk.org.uk/abc_news/gen12.php?t=1&id=582)
EU states pressed to "pay up" as budget battle looms (http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040209162509.3jkruwys)

Glenlivet
Wednesday, July 7th, 2004, 06:40 PM
I'm glad that you did not buy this trick. Furthermore, it is more about emphasis on certain subjects, support (even by the state), encouragement and priorities. You are a smart lady.




And further : None of Spain, Portugal (0 medals!!), Greece, or Italy won any gold medals either. All of those scandinavian countries you listed (Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Iceland) all have populations smaller then Greece. I really don't see any meaningful 'victory' for meds, nords, or any euros, we could draw from these results at all. each 'sides' (lol) results are a 'curates egg' :P

Tore
Wednesday, July 7th, 2004, 08:55 PM
Yep, the great scientist Jensen (Thorburn bless him) "proved" that nordic countries have higher mean IQ (whatever IQ means).

Don't put words in my mouth.

Jensen never even collected data on the national mean IQ's of various nations, Richard Lynn did. Lynn's studies showed a roughly equitable IQ distribuition throughout Europe, regardless of region (although your beloved Bulgarians scored a lowly 93, perhaps accounting for your overt antagonism displayed towards psychometric testing of any sort).


The Flynn efect?

Interesting you should mention it.

The fact that a poor, deplorable, second-world state such as Bulgaria achieved such a standing speaks volumes about the illusory effect of Flynn's noted IQ rise, in that the rise is largely independent of the g factor itself (hence "actual" intelligence is never truly improved).


http://psycprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/archive/00000679/

"Jensen Effects are not omnipresent and their absence can be as informative as their presence. An important case of the absence of the Jensen Effect is that of the secular increase in test scores. Simply stated, the "Flynn Effect" is not a "Jensen Effect." Principal components analyses show that whereas the IQ gains over time on the WISC-R and WISC-III do cluster (suggesting they are a reliable phenomenon), these are independent of g factor loadings, the cluster of Black-White differences, and of inbreeding depression scores (Rushton, 1999). These results provide convergent and discriminant validity for the "Jensen Effect" and disconfirm Flynn's hypothesis that the "massive IQ gains over time" found in several countries prove that the Black-White differences in IQ are environmental in origin."

Vojvoda
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 01:13 AM
Slavic countries did pretty good.

beowulf_
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 11:30 PM
Germany (especially the Göttinger Schule) was predominant in maths over centuries.

Also consider that a big portion of mathematicians listed as born in Eastern
Europe were in fact Jewish.

http://www-gap.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/BirthplaceMaps/MapIndex.html

:D :D :D

Lebensraum
Friday, August 27th, 2004, 03:53 AM
Why are there so many chinks competing for WHITE countries?

Louky
Friday, August 27th, 2004, 04:38 AM
Just as spelling bees (spelling contests) don't predict who's going to be an author, math bees say nothing about whom will be a creative scientist.

Vestmannr
Friday, August 27th, 2004, 04:42 AM
They do show who badly desires recognition, who is a nerd, and who is wasting their time by gaming with abilities rather than applying them to important matters.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Friday, August 27th, 2004, 05:27 AM
Europeans excell in taking two or more seemingly unrelated concepts and fusing them into a new way of understanding, not barfing up memorized information. Learning the fundamentals is of the highest importance but a contest based on that alone is not what modern ways of thought are all about.

The Blond Beast
Friday, August 27th, 2004, 07:41 AM
Why are there so many chinks competing for WHITE countries?

Because the Britons miscegenated themselves out of existence? :D