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Lone Rebel
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 02:47 AM
Am I the only one that wants to slap the piss out of Santorum? That dude is a douche bag and a extreme version of a moron and an Israeli kiss ass.

Christ I thought maybe some of the tea party morons were with Paul on Palestine not being treated fairly but they started booing him when he mentioned it....what do you expect when 99% of Americans are sheep!? Pisses me off to my core.

SpearBrave
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 03:05 AM
Am I the only one that wants to slap the piss out of Santorum? That dude is a douche bag and a extreme version of a moron and an Israeli kiss ass.

Christ I thought maybe some of the tea party morons were with Paul on Palestine not being treated fairly but they started booing him when he mentioned it....what do you expect when 99% of Americans are sheep!? Pisses me off to my core.

Since I don't watch TV, or even own one could you please give more of a detailed account of the debate as it happened?

Ediruc
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 04:40 AM
It's a waste of time to watch those debates. Ultimately just senile old men and women debating how they can further destroy our nation and our Germanic people.

SpearBrave
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 08:20 AM
It's a waste of time to watch those debates. Ultimately just senile old men and women debating how they can further destroy our nation and our Germanic people.

Really, how would know you since you did not watch it?

Would you rather hear another 'jobs' speech from obingo the magic negro?

Actually these debates are important to the extent they let you know the habits of the candidates. Failure to learn more about these people is how we ended up with a negro president that is bent on the destruction of not only America, but the rest of the world as well.

It goes the same for the " I don't vote, because it does not matter " crowd. Ever wonder there are groups of people spreading these thoughts? Often times when people are victims of propaganda they don't realize they have been conditioned to think a certain way. Lets say if you don't believe in voting, so that is just one more minority vote that will be counted and not yours.

Those that want to control you don't want you to care, that way it is easier to lead you to enslavement.

Now back to the topic, would any Skadi members care to discuss this debate? I'm really interested in what other Germanics think that watched the debate.

KingOvGermania
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 08:40 AM
Watched it only for Ron Paul being on there... I must say, i don't give a flying F about anyone else. The man made excellent points, unfortunately, he has no chance of winning.

Ediruc
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 09:57 AM
Those that want to control you don't want you to care, that way it is easier to lead you to enslavement.


I don't vote because none of the candidates are Germanic Preservationists. Plain and simple.

Ediruc
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 10:00 AM
Spearbrave, since you asked, here are some snippets of the debate.

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SpearBrave
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 10:36 AM
I don't vote because none of the candidates are Germanic Preservationists. Plain and simple.

I am curious so by not voting, you are supporting Germanic preservationism?

How does that work? If your vote is not counted than that lets a vote from a non-Germanic be counted. Do you think that a non-Germanic is going to support a person who is pro Germanic even if it is only slightly?

I'm always curious as to why people say they don't vote, even more curious when they complain about things not going their way.

Basically voting or lack of voting is what got us into these messes we are in, that is plain and simple.

Ediruc
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 10:44 AM
I am curious so by not voting, you are supporting Germanic preservationism?

How does that work? If your vote is not counted than that lets a vote from a non-Germanic be counted. Do you think that a non-Germanic is going to support a person who is pro Germanic even if it is only slightly?

I'm always curious as to why people say they don't vote, even more curious when they complain about things not going their way.

Basically voting or lack of voting is what got us into these messes we are in, that is plain and simple.

Look, if none of the candidates are taking into any interest of making America more Germanic (exporting ALL illegal immigrants and taking on a harsh immigration policy, like the founding fathers did) why should I care about their other irrelevant positions, opinions and beliefs? I'm sure a lot of these candidates say they're fully opposed to allowing illegal immigrants cross our borders, but when they get in office, will we see anything really done on it? No. Besides, it was originally the republicans in the 1950s who allowed immigrant workers from Mexico and Latin America to enter our country. They seem to not have changed much.

And, at the moment, I feel my vote wouldn't matter even if I did vote for whatever candidate you think would be best for us.

Edit: More snippets of the debate.

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See how the crowd mindlessly claps for everything any of the candidates say, and yet when Ron Paul makes some reasonable points like on the first video, they boo him. The majority of republicans really don't help our situation.

SpearBrave
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 11:25 AM
See how the crowd mindlessly claps for everything any of the candidates say, and yet when Ron Paul makes some reasonable points like on the first video, they boo him. The majority of republicans really don't help our situation.

The rest of what you said does not make sense as to reason not to vote. This above quote does however. Since you like what Ron Paul has to say than why not vote for him. There is never going to be one election that gives you everything you want, you have to stay persistent over the years. For at least the last 70 years the democrat party has been very persistent about installing socialism to this country. Social programs attract non-Germanic immigrants that is proven.If we end welfare and the entitlements less mexicans would want to come here.

The old adage of if you don't vote than you can't complain is very true in this case.

Oh, btw it was democrats that changed the immigration laws in 1965 with Ted Kennedy. It was a republican(ike) who actually deported illegals in mass under operation wetback. The liberal democrats have been the biggest pro immigration party this country has seen, also they have been the least fiscally responsible party this country has seen. Basically they are buying votes through social programs that attract illegal immigrants.

Any of these candidates are better than the current president we now have. Most of them support the Constitution which is far better than what the liberals do.

SwordOfTheVistula
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 12:54 PM
This article has a good summary of the debate, as it relates to us:

Perry, Santorum Push Liberal Policies on Immigration at Tea Party Debate

http://www.westernyouth.org/articles/perry-santorum-push-liberal-policies-on-immigration-at-tea-party-debate/

Rick Perry came out against building a border fence, saying “the idea that you're going to build a wall from Brownsville to El Paso and 800 miles west to Tijuana is not a reality.” Rick Perry previously was a big advocate of the 'Trans Texas Corridor' proposal, a plan to build a 4000 mile network of rail, road, and utility corridors up to 1200 feet wide. Perhaps in the next debate, Rick Perry will explain to us why the 4000 mile 'Trans Texas Corridor' of high speed rail, road, and utility connections was 'realistic' whereas a simple border fence of of less than half that length is not.



Rick Santorum acted even more liberal than in previous debates, claiming that “immigration is an important lifeblood of this country, something I strongly support..” He said in a following question that this was a political calculation to attract Latino voters, a small but growing contingent of heavily Democratic voters, saying he would “attract latino voters by talking about the importance of immigration in this country”



He also derided enforcement of our immigration laws as having “storm troopers come and throw people out of the country.” Although Santorum attacked Ron Paul's foreign policy analysis as 'not belonging in a Republican debate', I would say that not only promoting liberal policies but repeating the lowbrow liberal attack line of using language that conjures nazi imagery to attack conservative policies does not belong in Republican primary debates, and Rick Santorum is ill suited to be making this attack on others.



Mitt Romney said that “if Latino voters came here for handouts, they'd be voting Democrat.” In the last Presidential election, 67% of Latino voters voted Democrat. The numbers were similar in the 2010 elections and other elections, with Republicans struggling to get over 30% of the Latino vote. According to Mitt Romney's formula, two thirds of Latino immigrants are coming here for handouts, since over 2/3 of Latino voters consistently vote Democrat. If two thirds of an immigrant population is 'coming here for handouts', allowing that immigration to continue is probably not a good idea, especially with the budget crisis we have generated by all who are collecting handouts and not paying taxes.



Rick Perry also repeated his support for in-state tuition subsidies to illegal aliens, and was booed by the Tea Party audience.



Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann responded that 'the American way is not to give taxpayer benefits to those who broke the law.' She repeated her observation that the American immigration system 'worked very well up until the mid 1960s when liberals changed the system.'



The change she is referring to was the 1965 Immigration Act which Ted Kennedy pushed. Kennedy at the time claimed "First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same.... Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset.... It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.“



As we can see, just about everything he said was a lie. The claims that the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli Amnesty, which Newt Gingrich proudly voted for, would be reciprocated with strict border security and enforcement of immigration laws was a lie. Both Kennedy's 1965 Immigration Act and the 1986 Simpson-Mazzoli Amnesty If Republican voters are wise, they will stop believing lies and refuse to get Rick-rolled on immigration.

FranzFed
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 03:10 PM
I actually find it curious when people do vote. I feel a bit sorry for them that they actually believe that just because we vote Obama and the democrats out of office, that the republicans will do any better. It's those who control the money that decide what goes on inside and out of this country, you can't vote them out unfortunately.

I dread this stupid election season, seeing idiotic commercials and posters that pollute the landscape.

Van Wellenkamp
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 06:13 PM
We need a strong third party. All others are in bed with the UN.

SpearBrave
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 10:27 PM
I actually find it curious when people do vote. I feel a bit sorry for them that they actually believe that just because we vote Obama and the democrats out of office, that the republicans will do any better. It's those who control the money that decide what goes on inside and out of this country, you can't vote them out unfortunately.

I dread this stupid election season, seeing idiotic commercials and posters that pollute the landscape.

I feel sorry for people who don't vote, I really feel sorry for people who don't vote then complain about how things are run.

Do you have any hard evidence as to what you say is true or is it opinion/theory ?

If you do have any hard evidence that your vote does not count I'm sure the American people would love to see such hard evidence. Until then we have to take things at face value.

About the people who control the money being in power, they received that power somehow. Like I said earlier one election year is just a small victory, you have to continue to vote conservative election after election after election, that is how the liberal/leftist/marxist/socialist/communist/democrats have gained the power they do have. That is how they can be defeated.

Ediruc
Tuesday, September 13th, 2011, 11:27 PM
The rest of what you said does not make sense as to reason not to vote. This above quote does however. Since you like what Ron Paul has to say than why not vote for him. There is never going to be one election that gives you everything you want, you have to stay persistent over the years. For at least the last 70 years the democrat party has been very persistent about installing socialism to this country. Social programs attract non-Germanic immigrants that is proven.If we end welfare and the entitlements less mexicans would want to come here.

The old adage of if you don't vote than you can't complain is very true in this case.

Oh, btw it was democrats that changed the immigration laws in 1965 with Ted Kennedy. It was a republican(ike) who actually deported illegals in mass under operation wetback. The liberal democrats have been the biggest pro immigration party this country has seen, also they have been the least fiscally responsible party this country has seen. Basically they are buying votes through social programs that attract illegal immigrants.

Any of these candidates are better than the current president we now have. Most of them support the Constitution which is far better than what the liberals do.

Well with one party supporting massive immigration from third world countries and the other taking active interest in wartime policies and the agenda of corporations. I don't see how we are benefited from either.

I guess I would vote for Ron Paul, but he did say he didn't believe in separation of church and state. So, of course that is going to affect the policies he'll be installing.


Rick Santorum acted even more liberal than in previous debates, claiming that “immigration is an important lifeblood of this country, something I strongly support..” He said in a following question that this was a political calculation to attract Latino voters, a small but growing contingent of heavily Democratic voters, saying he would “attract latino voters by talking about the importance of immigration in this country”

He also derided enforcement of our immigration laws as having “storm troopers come and throw people out of the country.” Although Santorum attacked Ron Paul's foreign policy analysis as 'not belonging in a Republican debate', I would say that not only promoting liberal policies but repeating the lowbrow liberal attack line of using language that conjures nazi imagery to attack conservative policies does not belong in Republican primary debates, and Rick Santorum is ill suited to be making this attack on others.


This says it all. Yeah, Republicans are really against immigration...


Only Romney and Bachmann seem to be taking some kind of stance against this. But honestly they seem too shy on the matter.

Ediruc
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 12:11 AM
Spearbrave, the point I was trying to make was that we need a candidate who will "Germanize" America. The U.S.A. was founded off of the blood and sweat of Germanics. We need to maintain our Germanic population and heritage. If I'm going to vote Republican like you really want me to do, a certain candidate needs to understand Germanic Preservationism and take an active effort in installing pro-Germanic policies. What needs to happen is all illegal immigrants must go, rigid immigration policies employed, German-Americans need to start breeding more. German-American birthrate needs to RISE by a lot.

Why should I vote for a candidate who will potentially slow down or setback our efforts to Germanize America more?

MCP3
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 12:23 AM
Watched it only for Ron Paul being on there... I must say, i don't give a flying F about anyone else. The man made excellent points, unfortunately, he has no chance of winning.

Ron Paul however has an ethnic background that doesn't fly well in East-Coast Establishment and CFR circles, and certainly not in the MSM. According to Wikipedia physician Dr.Ron Paul is 3/4 German, 1/4 Irish.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

FranzFed
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 12:26 AM
I really feel sorry for people who don't vote then complain about how things are run.

That's that high horse sentiment that really irks people who don't vote. It's not out of ignorance or apathy that some people don't vote, they realize the futility of the government and choose not to take part in this silly national holiday.


Do you have any hard evidence as to what you say is true or is it opinion/theory ?

Sure, simply look at the overwhelming two choices we have. There are no other tangible parties that have a shot at getting elected. Neither the democrats or republicans have shown they hold European-American issues with any value. Both are corrupted and are under the same influence. Like Ediruc said, why should we vote when neither party supports our interests? Sorry, but voting for one of the assorted conservative/libertarian/neo-con candidates doesn't necessarily excite me.


About the people who control the money being in power, they received that power somehow.

Yes, by lobbying and funding for the candidates campaigns. The fix is in.

Freja_se
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 12:46 AM
I feel a bit sorry for them that they actually believe that just because we vote Obama and the democrats out of office, that the republicans will do any better. It's those who control the money that decide what goes on inside and out of this country, you can't vote them out unfortunately.

I dread this stupid election season, seeing idiotic commercials and posters that pollute the landscape.

Yes, if you want an end to mass-immigration it is useless to vote for any of the mainstream parties.

Left or right -- they all want multiculturalism, and they all want the demographic destruction of the US to continue.


What did Republican Bush and his cronies do to stop immigration? Send American soldiers to defend the US borders? No, they were busy sending them off to die for oil in the Middle East.



Parties and persons that receive lots of exposure and air time in the Jewish controlled media are controlled dissent, designed to appeal to the dissatisfied white voters that is the result of evermore anti-white politics.


That is what they did in Sweden before the election when the media gave lots of (negative) exposure to the Sweden Democrats who were painted as the alternative for voters tired of immigration.


True, the Jews who control the USA cannot be voted out. The politicians are just their puppets and in their pockets.

SpearBrave
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 02:14 AM
That's that high horse sentiment that really irks people who don't vote. It's not out of ignorance or apathy that some people don't vote, they realize the futility of the government and choose not to take part in this silly national holiday.


No really since you don't vote you don't have a right to complain, I'm very serious what gives that right to complain I don't think your statement below does.

Oh btw its called being a responsible citizen, and it is not a silly holiday as the leftist have convinced you to think.;)

Most of what you stated I have heard for years and years coming from the intellectual elite who some how think it is cool to whine about the system then not do anything about it.


Sure, simply look at the overwhelming two choices we have. There are no other tangible parties that have a shot at getting elected. Neither the democrats or republicans have shown they hold European-American issues with any value. Both are corrupted and are under the same influence. Like Ediruc said, why should we vote when neither party supports our interests? Sorry, but voting for one of the assorted conservative/libertarian/neo-con candidates doesn't necessarily excite me.

Yes, by lobbying and funding for the candidates campaigns. The fix is in.

Do you have the hard evidence I asked for that elections are rigged or is this your opinion. It is opinions like these that actually helped get a negro elected. As I stated before there are groups of people who like to tell you your vote does not matter, can you guess who those groups may be?

So are we supposed to sit on our rumps and wait for some magical ruler to come along and fix everything? In the meantime if that is what you believe we will continue get one leftist liberal after another.



Sorry, but voting for one of the assorted conservative/libertarian/neo-con candidates doesn't necessarily excite me.


But, the prospect of another four years of a leftist socialist negro does?

By not voting against obingo, you are allowing a vote for him to be counted. Besides what does it hurt you if you don't care who you are governed by.;)

Ediruc
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 02:43 AM
But, the prospect of another four years of a leftist socialist negro does?

By not voting against obingo, you are allowing a vote for him to be counted. Besides what does it hurt you if you don't care who you are governed by.;)

Yes, because 8 years of Bush and his college frat house buddies in power was so much better ;)

We're not saying we want Obama. If you've read any of my posts you would know I am as much against Obama as you are. But, can you give me a better alternative than the current candidates?

I can only think of David Duke and he has a snowball's chance in Hell of becoming president.

Also, about your comment over "rigged" elections. I recall it was the '04 or 2000 elections, can't quite remember, but I do remember the media made a spout over "miss-counted" votes in Florida. I believe [think] the exact claim was that Bush received more votes than he should have in Florida. So, perhaps there is some truth to elections being rigged. You never know. Politics is dirty business when you get right down to it.

SpearBrave
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 02:51 AM
Spearbrave, the point I was trying to make was that we need a candidate who will "Germanize" America. The U.S.A. was founded off of the blood and sweat of Germanics. We need to maintain our Germanic population and heritage. If I'm going to vote Republican like you really want me to do, a certain candidate needs to understand Germanic Preservationism and take an active effort in installing pro-Germanic policies. What needs to happen is all illegal immigrants must go, rigid immigration policies employed, German-Americans need to start breeding more. German-American birthrate needs to RISE by a lot.

Why should I vote for a candidate who will potentially slow down or setback our efforts to Germanize America more?

The point I was trying to make that by dismissing the debates as you did in your first post was the typical 'I'm too smart to even care' attitude that I often see from younger people. Given the liberal education system of today plus the liberal media, video games, movies and all other influences the youth does not really seem to care, until they get jobs pay large sums of taxes to support even bigger government with even more enytitlement programs that feed the very people we are trying to stop.

Until we get rid of socialism/leftism you will never see a pro-Germanic person running openly on that stance. First things first stop the bleeding, then work on healing the wound.


Yes, because 8 years of Bush and his college frat house buddies in power was so much better ;)


Um Bush is not running.;)



We're not saying we want Obama. If you've read any of my posts you would know I am as much against Obama as you are. But, can you give me a better alternative than the current candidates?


By not voting against obingo, for at least a white canidate you are telling me that you are allowing others votes to be counted for him.



I can only think of David Duke and he has a snowball's chance in Hell of becoming president.

David Duke does not stand a chance even if he was on the ticket. It would just be the same as not voting or giving a vote away.

That goes for all third parties this time around. A third party will split the vote in favor of obingo this election.

Ediruc
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 02:51 AM
First things first stop the bleeding, then work on healing the wound.

Then can you give me a good reason to vote Republican?

Freja_se
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 02:51 AM
I can only think of David Duke and he has a snowball's chance in Hell of becoming president.



It is that kind of reasoning that keeps Nationalists out of power everywhere, the fact that so many think like that. All our collective vote could matter!

A vote for one of the mainstream parties is like throwing it in the sea as it means more immigration, so why not instead use it to support something genuine and pro-white? (I don't know if Duke is genuine, though)

Even a modest result would be a victory in a way, and it could encourage more whites to vote for Nationalist alternatives in the future.

SpearBrave
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 02:55 AM
Then can you give me a good reason to vote Republican?

I just did.;)

First and foremost stop obingo and other leftist and liberals. Vote for the most conservative person on the ticket.

Right now that seems like Bachmann to me, but I could change my mind. Ron Paul will not be given time by the media, but will bring up some very good points in the general election.

FranzFed
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 03:02 AM
No really since you don't vote you don't have a right to complain I must have missed that part in the constitution. There really is no such thing as rights, they're simply whatever the ruling party allows you to do. I complain because even if I did vote, I wouldn't get what I want. Do you have a solution for me now?


Most of what you stated I have heard for years and years coming from the intellectual elite who some how think it is cool to whine about the system then not do anything about it.

That may be the case with you, but I've had no contact with the intellectual elite. They wouldn't like someone like me for obvious reasons. I've come to this conclusion based off the nature of American politics.


Do you have the hard evidence I asked for that elections are rigged or is this your opinion.

I've no idea what you expect me to show you here, a photo, a top secret letter from the federal reserve? It's not hard to see that candidates and lobbyists are closely intertwined. They expect to get something out of funding their campaigns. Take a look at Godwinson's post in Velvet's thread. This is an exclusive club that you and I are not in. Sure they give us a neat little voting day but it really doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.


So are we supposed to sit on our rumps and wait for some magical ruler to come along and fix everything?

All I know is that voting for the GOP isn't going to help the situation. Was your life that much better when Bush was in office?


But, the prospect of another four years of a leftist socialist negro does?

Never said that.


By not voting against obingo, you are allowing a vote for him to be counted.

Again, it really doesn't matter. The corporatists will find another guy to get snugly with. Their rule will not cease once obama is replaced, despite what some want you to believe.


Besides what does it hurt you if you don't care who you are governed by.

It's just a pain in the ass to get up and wait in line for something that won't improve my well being.

SpearBrave
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 03:30 AM
I must have missed that part in the constitution. There really is no such thing as rights, they're simply whatever the ruling party allows you to do. I complain because even if I did vote, I wouldn't get what I want. Do you have a solution for me now?


I highlighted part of the problem, the solution is to start reading and doing your own research. Try reading first the Constitution, then followed by Thomas Paine's " Common Sense ". Your complaints don't count they have no validity, therefore you should just be quite until you do vote.



That may be the case with you, but I've had no contact with the intellectual elite. They wouldn't like someone like me for obvious reasons. I've come to this conclusion based off the nature of American politics.


How did you learn about politics then? My guess is from what you learned in school or the media, both are part of the intellectual elite.


I've no idea what you expect me to show you here, a photo, a top secret letter from the federal reserve? It's not hard to see that candidates and lobbyists are closely intertwined. They expect to get something out of funding their campaigns. Take a look at Godwinson's post in Velvet's thread. This is an exclusive club that you and I are not in. Sure they give us a neat little voting day but it really doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things.


Yes, I want hard evidence that elections are rigged, evidence that will hold up in court, not opinions or theories. Given that they use so much resources in these elections common sense says they do count.

While I respect Godwinson and Velvet, I also take what they say about America and American politics with a grain of salt.;)



All I know is that voting for the GOP isn't going to help the situation. Was your life that much better when Bush was in office?


Yes it was if you must ask. The mere fact that Bush was not negro was better. Not only that I farm and live around farms and obingo already passed legislation that hinders small farms(Germanic people btw).


Never said that.


No not directly, however since you are not going to vote against him, it seems you don't care whether you have a negro leader or not.



Again, it really doesn't matter. The corporatists will find another guy to get snugly with.


That is exactly why I say it will not be won in one election. If we do nothing as you propose it will get worse that is for sure.



It's just a pain in the ass to get up and wait in line for something that won't improve my well being.

Do you feel that it is bigger pain than paying higher taxes, more illegal government mandates, and the mere fact as having negro as president?

FranzFed
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 04:03 AM
I highlighted part of the problem, the solution is to start reading and doing your own research. Try reading first the Constitution, then followed by Thomas Paine's " Common Sense ". Your complaints don't count they have no validity, therefore you should just be quite until you do vote.

So you're denying that rights are being taken away everyday. Intrusive practices at airports and the patriot act are only a couple examples.


How did you learn about politics then?

Obviously I learned the structure of this absurd government in school. I've learned how it really works and it's deep-seeded corruption outside the realm of academia.


Yes, I want hard evidence that elections are rigged, evidence that will hold up in court, not opinions or theories.

There is all a common characteristic among the ceo's of all the big financial institutions in the western world.;)


The mere fact that Bush was not negro was better.

That's just feeble. Bush did his part in screwing America, his allegiance to israel and burying the economy for a meaningless war. I know you'll try to spin it to look like I'm defending obama, I'm only illustrating that we're screwed no matter who wins. The dems and republicans are just two sides to the same coin.


That is exactly why I say it will not be won in one election. If we do nothing as you propose it will get worse that is for sure.

Huh? You can't vote for who get's to be the ceo of the major corporations and media outlets. This is capitalism you know.


Do you feel that it is bigger pain than paying higher taxes, more illegal government mandates

These things will happen no matter which side is in power. Since when did politicians have your best interests in mind? They're among the biggest liars and cheats we have in society.

SpearBrave
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 04:32 AM
So you're denying that rights are being taken away everyday. Intrusive practices at airports and the patriot act are only a couple examples.


Did you not just say we did not have have rights, now you say they are being taking away.:-O


Obviously I learned the structure of this absurd government in school. I've learned how it really works and it's deep-seeded corruption outside the realm of academia.


Outside of academia, does that mean the media or the Internet and not your own research?


There is all a common characteristic among the ceo's of all the big financial institutions in the western world.;)

This common leftist conspiracy thought, yes all socialism is leftist as it does not recognise the rights of free men.


That's just feeble. Bush did his part in screwing America, his allegiance to israel and burying the economy for a meaningless war. I know you'll try to spin it to look like I'm defending obama, I'm only illustrating that we're screwed no matter who wins. The dems and republicans are just two sides to the same coin.


Again I gave you a answer, yet you try and blame someone who is not even running or in the election. Well I don't think you are defending obama as much as you the political left and socialism both are destroying America, but I guess you already know that, you seem to have all the answers.;)


Huh? You can't vote for who get's to be the ceo of the major corporations and media outlets. This is capitalism you know.


More conspiracy stuff, hmm I see a pattern.;)

What does capitalism have to do with this? Keep in mind I don't believe capitalism as you most likely do. I don't view capitalism in the sense Marx did, that is what socialist do. We have threads for that btw.;)


These things will happen no matter which side is in power. Since when did politicians have your best interests in mind? They're among the biggest liars and cheats we have in society.

This includes all politicians, more so it seems with socialist politicians. I will have to say at this point this thread is way off topic. Since you have no input to offer of the Republican debate I suggest you read some past threads, dealing with this issue.

FranzFed
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 05:04 AM
Did you not just say we did not have have rights, now you say they are being taking away.

You totally missed it. I was showing you how there is no such things as rights and how they're given and taken away by the ruling class.


Outside of academia, does that mean the media or the Internet and not your own research?

The internet, including skadi helped me to learn more about our awesome democracy. Do I have to write a book or something for my thoughts to be valid?


you try and blame someone who is not even running or in the election.

So that doesn't make him exempt from discussion on the validity of american politics/elections. Just because he is no longer president doesn't mean his actions are erased from history and can't be scrutinized.


More conspiracy stuff, hmm I see a pattern.

Here we go, conspiracy theorist, kook, disloyal person. God forbid you have an opinion outside of popular thought. It's unreasonable to believe that a group of powerful men might come together and have a plan, so that they retain their power.


I will have to say at this point this thread is way off topic.

I agree, but I felt compelled to defend myself on some unfair accusations. So I'll bow out of this one. Have fun voting.:thumbup

SpearBrave
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 10:34 AM
You totally missed it. I was showing you how there is no such things as rights and how they're given and taken away by the ruling class.


No, you were not. First there is no ruling class in America, that is very false propaganda. Second we do have rights it is called the bill of rights it is our law and for years it has been attacked by leftist who tell people not to vote.



The internet, including skadi helped me to learn more about our awesome democracy. Do I have to write a book or something for my thoughts to be valid?


Well we are not a democracy here in America, but a Constitutional Republic. I don't have to say how much I respect this board, but I would not exactly say this is the best place to learn about America politics or is any other discussion forum for that matter. As I said do your research, that does not include opinions people state on the Internet.


So that doesn't make him exempt from discussion on the validity of american politics/elections. Just because he is no longer president doesn't mean his actions are erased from history and can't be scrutinized.


What it does is not make him a good example for your means of discussing in this thread. The point of this thread is to discuss the Republican debate. You entered the thread to say why you did not vote and to try and justify not voting.


Here we go, conspiracy theorist, kook, disloyal person. God forbid you have an opinion outside of popular thought. It's unreasonable to believe that a group of powerful men might come together and have a plan, so that they retain their power.


Well the thoughts you expressed are not what I would call unpopular, and most certainly they are not rare on the Internet. There is reason they call them theories and not facts as they lack proof of being a fact. The fact is we have elections here in America, these are very real. Candidates debate in these elections to help the American people understand their points better and make a choice. The theories you stated have little to do with the reasons for these political debates in this thread.


Of course people form groups to retain power, it is up to you to decide which group you feel is better suited for you. You complain about everything, yet want to do nothing, not voting is doing nothing.


I agree, but I felt compelled to defend myself on some unfair accusations. So I'll bow out of this one. Have fun voting.:thumbup

You entered this thread to spread propaganda that you have heard elsewhere. My accusations were not unfair, but very just. You should maybe do some research on your own, not others peoples opinions on the Internet. When you have read our Constitution, Paine's " Common Sense ", the federalist papers, and Jefferson's notes on Virgina then come back and debate why you think we should not vote. Until then don't complain or try to convince others to not vote.

I will have fun voting, please try to have fun complaining and being unhappy.;)

SwordOfTheVistula
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 07:03 PM
All I know is that voting for the GOP isn't going to help the situation.

What is the GOP? The GOP is what the primary voters say it is. Ron Paul, who wants to abolish the Federal Reserve and other ZOG elements, is the GOP. Michele Bachmann, who has spoken out against the 1965 Immigration Act and in support of the 1924 & 1952 Immigration Acts is the GOP.

If supposed 'nationalists' sit around bitching behind keyboards or voting for the Revolutionary Nazi Aryan Front, then yes, the corporate and religious people will run the GOP without opposition. Or, you could actually get off your ass and involve yourself in a way which will actually make a difference.

Lone Rebel
Wednesday, September 14th, 2011, 08:37 PM
A vote for anyone other than Ron Paul is a vote for continued support and money for Israel. Bachmann spent a lot of her years in Israel living in a Kibbutz...look it up...Ron Paul is the only one the Israel firsters hate....

Ward
Saturday, September 17th, 2011, 10:59 PM
Here's a snippet of Ron Paul from the Republican debate on Sept. 7th:


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“Every time you think about this toughness on the border and ID cards and REAL IDs, think it’s a penalty against the American people too. I think this fence business is designed and may well be used against us and keep us in. In economic turmoil, the people want to leave with their capital and there’s capital controls and there’s people controls. Every time you think about the fence, think about the fences being used against us, keeping us in.”

Notice his overriding concern for maintaining the free flow of capital at the expense of a viable future for white America. That's true libertarianism for you.

In any case, I haven't seen anyone mention this yet, but it should certainly serve as an embarrassing wake-up call for all the Americans here who have been singing his praises as a savior for our people, based on a complete misunderstanding of his philosophy.