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Hammer of Thor
Saturday, July 30th, 2011, 07:18 AM
Hello Fellow Skadi Members,

I was wondering if anyone had information on the surname Pallas. The progenitor of the line in question came from Austria/Bohemia.

Ancestry.com gives these as the top meanings of the name:

German (of Slavic origin): from a pet form of the personal name Pavel or Pawel, respectively the Czech and Polish forms of Paul, or from a Sorbian cognate.
German (of Slavic origin): nickname for a small man, from Slavic palac ‘thumb’.

Geogen states:

I found 316 entries and localized them in 149 different counties. There are around 840 people with this name projected on total population. This is an average occurance.

Thank you in advance for any information as it is greatly appreciated.

Hammer of Thor

Sunday, July 31st, 2011, 05:35 AM
Recorded in several spellings as shown below, this is an English medieval surname, but one of French origins. Introduced into England after the Norman Conquest of 1066, it is or was an occupational name for a maker of paling and fences. The derivation is from paleis, meaning a palisade, from the Latin "palus", a stake or pole. Job-descriptive surnames originally denoted the actual occupation of the namebearer, and became hereditary if a son followed the father into the same skill or business. In some instances the surname may be topographical for a "dweller at a fenced enclosure". Early examples of recordings taken from surviving charters and registers include Augustine de la Pallase of Suffolk in the Subsidy Tax Rolls of 1327, and Richard Palicer in the same tax rolls, but of Staffordshire in 1381. In the modern idiom the surname can be found as Pallas, Pallis, Palace, Pallys, Palliser, Palister, Pallister, Palser and possibly others. One of the earliest settlers of the name in the New World was James Pallister, aged 28 years., who departed from the Port of London aboard the ship "Hopewell", bound for the Barbadoes in February 1634. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that Henry Paillehus and dated 1165 in the Court Rolls of the Manor of Wakefield, Yorkshire, during the reign of King Henry 11nd, 1154 - 1189. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was sometimes known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.

Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Pallas#ixzz1Teih7f38

Hammer of Thor
Monday, August 1st, 2011, 12:35 AM
Thank you for the post Gardisten, but the person in question came from Austria. However, it is intersting to see how the name arose in several different regions of Europe.

By any chance does anyone else have any information? I am particularly interested in the input of native Germans and Austrians regarding this surname.

Hammer of Thor

Monday, August 1st, 2011, 02:54 AM
Here's another possibility:

It looks as though the surname did come about in different parts of the continent. Still, just because an ancestor is from a certain region doesn't mean that the surname didn't originate elsewhere.

Monday, August 1st, 2011, 04:21 AM
This name seems to be found throughout Europe, with etymology depending on region. There are Germans and Austrians bearing the name (Peter Simon Pallas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Simon_Pallas), for example), and given that most seem to originate from the eastern portions of Germany and Austria, it is quite possible the name has some Slavic roots. Perhaps that aforementioned theory on the name originating from a Sorb absorbed into the Germanic fold rings true? In any case, it does occur as a German name, and given the clear distance from any such progenitor, I would not pay too much mind to the alleged Slavic origins.