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feisty goddess
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 01:57 AM
I don't want to face that it's true, but you just can't explain the fact that often people have wisdom teeth, which neanderthals had, and we have no use for. I personally think it must be true.

This documentary is a little hard to watch, but it's pretty interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7UFbxsF3p0&feature=related

Sorry for the misspelling in the title lol.

I think this could explain a lot of genetic problems associated with junk DNA. I also think it might be to blame for autism and other developmental problems.

Pyramidologist
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 02:34 AM
I believe they were wiped out by being killed, not interbred.

The wisdom teeth are explained by the change in diet by our ancestors, not because we have Neanderthal roots (again in my opinion). Neolithic, ancient and even medieval man had a very different abrasive diet, in contrast modern (western) food is far more soft. This has always been the common-sense answer to the wisdom teeth thing to me.

feisty goddess
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 02:53 AM
I believe they were wiped out by being killed, not interbred.

The wisdom teeth are explained by the change in diet by our ancestors, not because we have Neanderthal roots (again in my opinion). Neolithic, ancient and even medieval man had a very different abrasive diet, in contrast modern (western) food is far more soft. This has always been the common-sense answer to the wisdom teeth thing to me.

I don't think they were wiped out through interbreeding. I just think it might have been possible for some stray neanderthal women to get impregnated so that the gene became widespread over time in the places where there were more of them and eventually travel all over.

It's a possibility and I get what you're saying, but didn't homo sapiens have a pretty abrasive diet before neolithic times as well? Unless they had them before, it seems like it would be pretty difficult for a species to evolve more teeth out of nowhere like that. In some areas of the world people don't have them also.

It is also possible that they were not genetically compatible enough to produce children anyway, but I don't see why they wouldn't be.

Ocko
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 04:21 AM
Newer genome studies revealed that europeans and asian have about 4 % Neanderthal in them. Africans do not.


What it means is that europeans and asian got something from Neanderthal which made them superior to the africans. Effectively making them a different species than Negroes.

Obviously is the picture we have about Neanderthal a pretty much primitive one, not sophisticated. But why would a lesser human species breeding with a supposedly higher one produce an even higher one? The most logical solution is that Neanderthal has been on a higher level as homo sapiens and through interbreeding brought him to a newer higher level.

Neanderthal had a bigger brain than even the europeans/asian and a far bigger one than negroes.

The success of the europeans/aryans and asians speaks volumes of the superiority of the Neanderthals. they may not have been on higher technological level but might have been on religious or wisdom level. His connection with higher worlds might have been closer.

And it might have been Neanderthal women who interbred with Cro Magnon men, as the birth otherwise around would have been difficult

feisty goddess
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 04:24 AM
And it might have been Neanderthal women who interbred with Cro Magnon men, as the birth otherwise around would have been difficult

This is what I meant, oh no lol a homo sapien woman could not have a neanderthal child, yikes she would be dead as soon as the head came out. :-O

I've never heard it from that perspective before, but it's highly interesting. It could be that pooling the two genepools together added for a wider range of traits both well suited for different environments and ultimately made Europeans superior. Or it could be that only some people have a trace of it, and some don't. But I still believe this is what's caused a lot of the genetic problems people have. It does make sense, since Europeans and asians share more similarities than with other races.

Elessar
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 04:24 AM
I'm not too educated on the issue, only having watched a television programme on it, but I don't discredit the idea, there's plenty of evidence to suggest it so. It also accounts for the variability within European and other ethnic populations regarding cranial & skeletal structure. So obviously there had to be a connection with the interbreeding of Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal, probably social and technological. Enter the Aryan and you have the perfect Human Being.


but you just can't explain the fact that often people have wisdom teeth, which neanderthals had, and we have no use for
That would be me, a veritable descendant of the Neanderthal in that case. Dentists say I should get them removed, I like them :(

Ocko
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 04:27 AM
I think the Jew-National geopgraphic shows Neanderthal as very primitive and brutal for ideological reason (like the cowboys and indians in very old movies).

It is known that Neanderthal use symbols like the cross, he had flutes to play music, buried his dead and put flowers and ocker around, obviously some religious afterlife ideas were present.

Ediruc
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 04:31 AM
I've always thought of a race from Africa (not Negroes) had some kind of incentive to migrate northward, stumbled upon Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons, and bam, we have the European race.

What we know to be the African race today could not have bred with Neanderthals or Asiatic groups of Humans, considering they've always have stayed in the same spot since the very dawn of humanity.

We Germanics today get our physical traits, neurology, mindset, ect... from this rich combo of Neanderthal and hypothetical race I speak of.

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It is known that Neanderthal use symbols like the cross, he had flutes to play music, buried his dead and put flowers and ocker around, obviously some religious afterlife ideas were present.

Yes, they also probably had the first known organized religion, the worship of the Bear. Perhaps the first animistic?

feisty goddess
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 04:41 AM
I've always thought of a race from Africa (not Negroes) had some kind of incentive to migrate northward, stumbled upon Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons, and bam, we have the European race.

What we know to be the African race today could not have bred with Neanderthals or Asiatic groups of Humans, considering they've always have stayed in the same spot since the very dawn of humanity.

We Germanics today get our physical traits, neurology, mindset, ect... from this rich combo of Neanderthal and hypothetical race I speak of.

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Yes, they also probably had the first known organized religion, the worship of the Bear. Perhaps the first animistic?

They can have a trace of it though, some would still get a tiny bit of it through asians.

Pyramidologist
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 04:55 AM
Research from the Max Plank Institute provides direct evidence that Neanderthals and modern humans did not interbreed. This work compared mitochondrial DNA recovered from four Neanderthals with mitochondrial DNA isolated from the remains of five modern human fossils. The Neanderthal and modern human specimens all date between 30,000 and 40,000 years ago and were recovered from the same geographical locations. Investigators readily recovered Neanderthal-type DNA from the Neanderthal specimens, but only human DNA in the modern human remains. Based on statistical analysis these workers concluded that it was unlikely that Neanderthals made any genetic contribution to the earliest modern humans. In other words, there is no conclusive evidence that Neanderthals and modern humans interbred nor any hint of a possible evolutionary connection.

- David Serre et al., “No Evidence of Neandertal mtDNA Contribution to Early Modern Humans”, PLOS Biology 2 (2004): 0313-17.

UPDATE: 2010/2011, some scientists are now claiming there isa 1-4% DNA evidence of admixture between neanderthal and man. I would personally be very skeptical about this, the figure is incredibly low, secondly it is based on circular reasoning:

''In this study of the Neandertal genome, almost every step after the sequence was compiled was influenced in some way by the researchers' belief that both modern humans and Neandertal humans evolved from a chimpanzee-like ancestor. The authors considered this an unquestionable fact instead of a presupposition or bias, as revealed in this statement:

We generated three-way alignments between the Neandertal, human, and chimpanzee genomes, filtering out genomic regions that may be duplicated in either humans or chimpanzees and using an inferred genome sequence of the common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees as a reference to avoid potential biases.''

- Welcome to the circular reasoning of all evolutionists. Proving evolution happened while assuming it first occurred when there is no empirical evidence.

Ocko
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 04:57 AM
Intelligence depends on the number of synapses. Might have been that Neanderthal had a bigger brain but less synapses per cubicinch, and that homosapiens had a smaller brain but a higher density of synapses. The combo with a bigger brain and high density of synapses would make quite an increase in intelligence.

Negroes have a much smaller brain than Europeans and much less intelligence, suggesting they are weak in both.

Naglfari
Wednesday, July 6th, 2011, 09:03 PM
Yes it looks like it. http://www.sciencemag.org/content/328/5979/710.abstract

The Neandertal genome was sequenced and genes have been found in Neandertals and Europeans and Asians, but not Africans.

From me personally I have 10.

dbSNP Derived Allele Ancestral Allele Out of Africa Allele Genotype Count

963660 T C T CT 1
2753977 C T C CT 1
4794826 T C T CT 1
6670818 G A G AG 1
10800485 C T C CT 1
10852939 T C T CT 1
10915846 A G A AG 1
11750694 A C A AA 2
17745316 A G A AG 1

Now that above is the only from the 1/10th of my genome tested.

There is a large thread over at 23andme.com where various people posted their results and guess who had none, the Africans.

Æmeric
Thursday, July 7th, 2011, 12:45 AM
A post on the subject (http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=644085&postcount=3) from nearly 5 years ago.

Hersir
Thursday, July 7th, 2011, 03:33 AM
I dont think they did, I know they did.
It has been revelead by science:thumbup

Berrocscir
Sunday, July 17th, 2011, 04:23 PM
I don't want to face that it's true

I used to think like that but Neanderthals apparently had white skin and red hair - they lived in harsh conditions in Europe for tens of thousands of years and weathered it. They were the first Europeans and I have the utmost respect for these people. If there's any Neanderthal legacy in me then it wouldn't bother me in the slightest :)

Ocko
Monday, July 18th, 2011, 01:33 AM
Neanderthal were quite some guys with an enormous strength. Their metabolism needed 5,000 calories a day. For that reason they hunted big game like Mammoth, as they did not know projectile weapons they hunted very close to those animals. That needed quite some courage.

they had plenty of injuries (those injuries are somewhat like modern rodeo riders have) and cared for their sick.

Most likely the different genderroles were underdeveloped as women had similar injuries, meaning they were hunting with their men.

arvak
Monday, July 18th, 2011, 07:38 PM
Interbreeding showed that 28,000 years ago especially round Portugal and Isreal inter breeding had taken place, as this was shown in the fossilized remains of Neanderthals with the Cro magnon species. These traits the Neanderthal had where short stocky with heavy skeletal structures. The Cro Magnon where a lighter skeletal structure and taller in height.
The skulls of the Neanderthal's had a round hook nose and retracted jaw that was a prominent trade mark of the species. Cultrally low and without the diversity of tool and specialised tools, it was a non creative being and lacked the divine spark of art and creativity which the Cro magnon coverted. When it came to Cro Magnon art and craft it was exceptional and with out parallel in history. Source out stone tools and Art.
Do not listen to the words that they where equal. They where not, but only a vulgar and primitive people, that if in todays age would represents our immigrant population of vulgarized southerners from the countries of the shadow. What ever programmes and documentaries are shown these days are falsification of the truth. They will distort it to their own evil ends. As they wish that a vulgarised people predominate over a higher man/ woman.
By showing flashed images of shadow men with light women this is unconsciouss hypnosis which plants the seed in the vunerable thus destroying the higher through racial uneven breeding. The inteligent see, the stupid obey and fall prey.
A good example of racial opossites sits with white europeans breeding with Africans, study the structures and racial differences. The higher is vulgarised by the lower. And as can be seen a retraction of a higher culture. When goverments create a abbys the abbys reflects back into the society it has created. Thus the cunning will predominate over a ignorant and sub human society welcome to the 20th Century.

Naglfari
Monday, July 18th, 2011, 07:40 PM
Yet another study confirming it: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-07/uom-grc071411.php


Some of the human X chromosome originates from Neanderthals and is found exclusively in people outside Africa, according to an international team of researchers led by Damian Labuda of the Department of Pediatrics at the University of Montreal and the CHU Sainte-Justine Research Center. The research was published in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution.

"This confirms recent findings suggesting that the two populations interbred," says Dr. Labuda. His team places the timing of such intimate contacts and/or family ties early on, probably at the crossroads of the Middle East.

The Horned God
Tuesday, July 19th, 2011, 09:42 AM
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Goomer
Wednesday, July 20th, 2011, 08:15 AM
Absolutely and without a doubt. I find Neandertals more intriguing which each new parcel of information that gets revealed.

Dragonwind
Monday, September 5th, 2011, 09:43 AM
Sorry to drag an old topic up but I wanted to add information regarding one of the Max Planck institue assistants that revealed on German TV that 'Semitic people have at least 10-20% Neanderthal DNA'. If you carefully study neanderthal range, ice age procession and recession and both anatomical and cultural evidence you can clearly see a correlation of what happened when cro-mag's and neanderthals met - the fallout from that meeting is still being felt today.

There seems to be strong political reasons not to elaborate on the '1-4%' that was initially stated and many articles do not adequately discuss neanderthals wholistically. They spin the line 'we are all neanderthal' outside of Africa, or paint the same picture of neanderthals we've seen for 50 years...cavemen sitting around campfires like hippies. The neanderthal and or homo heidelbergensis and also habilis/georgica had been in europe a hell of a long time. Cold climates encourage the selection of intelligence, tropical environments encourage the selection of smaller more efficient brains. The Neanderthals were smart, highly mathematical, very aggressive and Im sure didn't take to kindly to their 'holy-land' being over-run by cro-mags.

OutlawsnUnderdogs
Wednesday, September 28th, 2011, 02:05 AM
LOL.... Neanderthal has been recalassified as Homo Sapien.... basically if any Neanderthal bred another Neanderthal the answer to your survey would have to be yes....

I get what you meant though, yes I think the two interbred. It does not appear to be much of a question anymore, it considered scientific fact that everone but Africans have 1 to 4% Neanderthal genetic makeup.

The more interesting question to me is where did you get a species on earth with only 12 ribs?... I mention this because all of the prehuman species up to us had 13 ribs..... also had a back sloping vorehead, brow ridges etc....

You all of a suddon have Cro Magnun man which has recently been compared to us modern humans genetically and it has been found that they were basically identical to what we are now.... meaning we were what we are now when we appeared on the scene archeologically speaking anyway.

feisty goddess
Wednesday, September 28th, 2011, 03:29 AM
I have six neanderthal alleles in my genome, is that a whole lot? :D

Hesse
Wednesday, September 28th, 2011, 03:33 AM
I also have exactly 6 neanderthal allelles in my genome