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Freja
Saturday, July 3rd, 2004, 09:53 AM
Although I havenīt yet made contributions of any significance here on Skadi, Iīve visited nearly every day since I joined. I spend my time here reading and trying to find answers to all my questions.
Browsing through the thread "Forum biased?", I see Iīm not the only one reacting to the number of people who seem (to my unexperiened eye) to be anything BUT nordic/aryan/white-whatever.

I thought white was simply white, but I seem to be mistaken. It seems the right shape of nose "saves" you, even if your hair, eyes, and skin AND origin tell a wholly different story.
(However, Iīm still just a novice on racial classification, so donīt be too hard on me.)

Zyklop
Saturday, July 3rd, 2004, 10:38 AM
I thought white was simply white, but I seem to be mistaken. It seems the right shape of nose "saves" you, even if your hair, eyes, and skin AND origin tell a wholly different story.
(However, Iīm still just a novice on racial classification, so donīt be too hard on me.)

Could you be more specific? A negro with a nordic nose isnīt considered white.

In my humble opinion "white" is a pretty useless term. There are native subraces in Europe which didnīt originate from one white proto-race.

Loki
Saturday, July 3rd, 2004, 11:16 AM
Although I havenīt yet made contributions of any significance here on Skadi, Iīve visited nearly every day since I joined. I spend my time here reading and trying to find answers to all my questions.
Browsing through the thread "Forum biased?", I see Iīm not the only one reacting to the number of people who seem (to my unexperiened eye) to be anything BUT nordic/aryan/white-whatever.

I thought white was simply white, but I seem to be mistaken. It seems the right shape of nose "saves" you, even if your hair, eyes, and skin AND origin tell a wholly different story.
(However, Iīm still just a novice on racial classification, so donīt be too hard on me.)

Your confusion arises from the fact that Norway is a very typical white and homogenous country. You don't have much phenotypical variation in your country. But the fact remains that people on the fringes of Europe look (and are) very different from those in your home country far, far north. We want to preserve this uniqueness. :)

Freja
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 09:56 AM
Zyklop; Iīm of course not referring to people with negroid features, but rather to people from the middle-east and other places where you can easily find individuals with nordic features and dark colouring. A few weeks ago, someone linked to a thread on Stormfront where a young girl had posted her picture. This girl looked clearly non-white (to use the useless term) to my unexperienced eye. Iīve had one employee, an iranian born girl, who looked more white to me than the girl on Stormfront.
So can anybody please tell me in laymans terms the definition of "white"? And what is the proper thing to call it if the words white and aryan donīt apply?

Iīve spent some time on the Côte dīAzur, and the phenotypical variations there are quite interesting. (Of course, the closeness to the African continent and the history of invasions tell the story.)
Thinking about it, I get your point, Loki. Anything slightly swarthy sure does get noticed here in Norway.

Zyklop
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 10:23 AM
So can anybody please tell me in laymans terms the definition of "white"? And what is the proper thing to call it if the words white and aryan donīt apply?


I would call it being "European" and define it by at least 15/16 European ancestry and the lack of non-european subracial traits.

Using Güntherīs scheme, European subraces are: Nordid, Phalian, East-Baltid, Alpine, Dinarid and Mediterranid.

Alkman
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 11:24 AM
In terms of Anthropology,The race is called Caucasian and its 3 subraces are Nordic,Alpine and Meditteranean.All other subtypes are actually mix of these 3 subraces or mix of them with minor non Caucasian blood.
As for "White",it is not a scientific term,you can use it according your stantards.Perhaps a central European Alpine doesnt look white to your North European eyes,just like a pale skin, dark haired/eyed Mediterranean like me to his. :)

DvB
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 11:53 AM
In terms of Anthropology,The race is called Caucasian and its 3 subraces are Nordic,Alpine and Meditteranean.All other subtypes are actually mix of these 3 subraces or mix of them with minor non Caucasian blood.

Rassen zeichnen sich dadurch aus, eben gerade kein "Mix" zu sein!

Alkman
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 11:56 AM
Rassen zeichnen sich dadurch aus, eben gerade kein "Mix" zu sein!Bar,bar,bar... :P :D :P

Freja
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 12:38 PM
Thank you all, this makes it so much clearer. I realize now that my definition of "white" has in reality been Nordid. Now I know better. ;) :P

Loki
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 01:29 PM
Thank you all, this makes it so much clearer. I realize now that my definition of "white" has in reality been Nordid. Now I know better. ;) :P

The definition of "white" rests purely on the choice of the individual. I agree with you in that I mostly associate it with the Nordid. :)

Freja
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 02:41 PM
Btw, Iīve been meaning to ask you; who is that gorgeous looking man in your avatar?! Yummy! (Is it you?;) )

Loki
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 02:56 PM
Btw, Iīve been meaning to ask you; who is that gorgeous looking man in your avatar?! Yummy! (Is it you?;) )

I don't know... it is some German. I am better looking than that! :P

nemo
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 03:28 PM
I don't know... it is some German. I am better looking than that! :P

That's what you say!
:eyes

Triglav
Monday, July 5th, 2004, 09:33 AM
@Freja: Which of the following individuals do you consider "white" by your own standards?

1:
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=12759

2:
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11183

3:
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10221

4:
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10427

5:
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11453

6:
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=14576

7:
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10220

8:
http://indianacofcc.org/images/Scan430,%20February%2016,%202003.jpg

9:
http://www.intradenver.net/newsimages/IntraDenver/Audrey%20Tautou.jpg

10:
http://www.h-ref.de/dk/vern/himm/himmler.jpg

11:
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3097http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3098


12:
http://24ur.com/media/images/large/Jan2003/2020909.jpg


13:
http://www.news-star.com/images/100301/spe_blair.jpg

14:
http://www.rundschau.co.at/artikel/00/00/03/b376_m.jpg

15:
http://24ur.com/media/images/large/May2003/2025144.jpg

16:
http://docs.tercera.cl/especiales/2002/mundial_2002/noticias/0614/fotos/BALLACK.jpg

17:
http://www.lighton.co.kr/webzine/228/img/gibernau.jpg

Zyklop
Monday, July 5th, 2004, 06:10 PM
I don't know... it is some German.

Isnīt that Dolph Lundgren?

Freja
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 08:11 AM
Isnīt that Dolph Lundgren?Donīt think so - I wouldīve recognized him, I donīt like Dolph.:sick

Freja
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 08:22 AM
Which of the following individuals do you consider "white" by your own standards?

1: The text says heīs Fälish, doesnīt it?
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=12759

2: Sheīs white, I think.
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11183

3:The text says heīs dinaric. ;)
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10221

4: Difficult. Yes, I think.
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10427

5: No, although the text says heīs med (if Iīm not mistaken).
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=11453

6: Too young.
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=14576

7: East-Baltid and white.
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=10220

8: Not sure, I think theyīre probably white all three.
http://indianacofcc.org/images/Scan430,%20February%2016,%202003.jpg

9: No, I donīt think so.
http://www.intradenver.net/newsimages/IntraDenver/Audrey%20Tautou.jpg

10: Yes...
http://www.h-ref.de/dk/vern/himm/himmler.jpg

11: No.
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3097http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3098


12: Yes.
http://24ur.com/media/images/large/Jan2003/2020909.jpg


13: Yes. Isnīt Blair an Anglo Saxon?
http://www.news-star.com/images/100301/spe_blair.jpg

14: Yes.
http://www.rundschau.co.at/artikel/00/00/03/b376_m.jpg

15: Yes, russian, isnīt he?
http://24ur.com/media/images/large/May2003/2025144.jpg

16: I say no, but Iīm probably wrong...:P
http://docs.tercera.cl/especiales/2002/mundial_2002/noticias/0614/fotos/BALLACK.jpg

17: Yes. (Halstatt?)
http://www.lighton.co.kr/webzine/228/img/gibernau.jpg

Okey, how did I do?:D

Triglav
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 10:41 AM
Rassen zeichnen sich dadurch aus, eben gerade kein "Mix" zu sein!

You don't get it. We're talking about sub-races here. Your family tree would reveal a very varied sub-racial background.

Even your profile states that you have a Dinaric element, hence you're subracially not pure.

Zyklop
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 02:16 PM
You don't get it. We're talking about sub-races here. Your family tree would reveal a very varied sub-racial background.

Even your profile states that you have a Dinaric element, hence you're subracially not pure.

He meant that the term "race" per definiton means homogeneity. Races donīt evolve out of mixes.

Es gibt keine Mischrassen sondern Rassenmischungen.

Johannes de León
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 02:23 PM
Just something i noticed from your pictures. Aren't you confusing white as being a race?
White is not a race, Caucasoid, however, is.

Triglav
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 03:14 PM
He meant that the term "race" per definiton means homogeneity. Races donīt evolve out of mixes.

Es gibt keine Mischrassen sondern Rassenmischungen.

Yes, but he was barking up the wrong tree. His reply was ambiguous in the given context and irrelevant.

Triglav
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 03:45 PM
1: The text says heīs Fälish, doesnīt it?



You didn't bother to answer my question. :nope


3:The text says heīs dinaric. ;)


But the question was how that translates into your racial vernacular. ;)

13: Yes. Isnīt Blair an Anglo Saxon?


Anglo-Saxon by ethnicity, yes, but subracially he rather belongs to the related Keltic Nordic type (according to Coon).


15: Yes, russian, isnīt he?

Slovene.



16: I say no, but Iīm probably wrong...:P


There is no right or wrong. ;) There are only opinions and those are like :censored.




17: Yes. (Halstatt?)

Perhaps a somewhat more robust Nordid type.


Okey, how did I do?:D

Not really well if the applied standard is consistency. ;)

You basically went by pigmentation and not sub-type. By your own definition, white doesn't amount to Nordic but rather progressive depigmentation, i.e. blondish or light brunette coupled with Europid features.

The souls in pictures 2, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 14 and 15 are not Nordic by any valid standard (some of them have Nordid admixture, though), but you still consider them white (in some cases you conceded the exclusivity).

Ultimately, this is what one's instinctual racial in-group boils down to, since you deemed those individuals white which (remotely) resemble you. That would ensure the existence of one's race. I was surprised, though, that you considered a fellow Scandinavian non-white.

Freja
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 05:17 PM
Well, I never claimed to be good at classifiying people, did I? I took the challenge just for fun.
My question concerned the more obviously non-whites.

Itīs a good thing Iīm already married, I wouldnīt trust myself to pick out a true Caucasian/European anymore. :P Iīd probably wind up with some albino nigger...:D

Triglav
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 05:37 PM
Well, I never claimed to be good at classifiying people, did I? I took the challenge just for fun.
My question concerned the more obviously non-whites.

Itīs a good thing Iīm already married, I wouldnīt trust myself to pick out a true Caucasian/European anymore.

You didn't like my input, did you? ;)


:P Iīd probably wind up with some albino nigger...:D

How could you? :nope

http://www.health.wits.ac.za/gen/albinos.jpg

nemo
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 06:38 PM
How could you? :nope

http://www.health.wits.ac.za/gen/albinos.jpg

So these are the blue eyed blond Aryans you nordics always talk about, hey!
:D

BTW! In picture #8, the man on your left facing you is that pseudo nordic historian Arthur Kemp, and is from South Africa and is always trying to paint nordics as lily white :alcohol

BTW! In case some of you don't know, Arthur Kemp wrote March Of The Titans(History of the white race)

Krampus
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 06:57 PM
Triglav-

13: Yes. Isnīt Blair an Anglo Saxon?


Anglo-Saxon by ethnicity, yes, but subracially he rather belongs to the related Keltic Nordic type (according to Coon).


Slightly off topic, but I always thought Blair was a Paleo-Atlantid?

Freja
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 07:26 PM
http://www.health.wits.ac.za/gen/albinos.jpg

:-O Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!! :climb