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JoeDas
Tuesday, June 29th, 2004, 11:19 PM
Denmark and Canada both claim some uninhabited Islands and water between Greenland and Canada. The islands are closer geographically to Greenland. Neither country has anything there, but Inuit hunters from Greenland often travel to these islands. That's two reasons why the islands should rightfully belong to Denmark. Canada's only position is "those islands are ours, because we say so". Denmark sent a Naval vessel to the disputed territory some time ago and the sailors planted a Danish flag on the soil of the island, although the sailors probably did on that on their own and were not ordered to.

So the question is, who should the land belong to? Opinions and comments invited



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here are excerpts from an article about this issue that appeared in the Canadian press a year ago:

A Danish invasion?

Denmark claims water, land as theirs

...Denmark is claiming some Canadian land as their own... Denmark is trying to rewrite the territorial borders between Canada and Greenland....the Danes say Hans Island, a small uninhabited island in the Kennedy Channel between Greenland and Ellesmere Island, clearly belongs to them...another dispute lies around three kilometres of water between Greenland and Canada...the possibility of oil and gas in that area is at the forefront of this challenge...

http://www.nnsl.com/frames/newspapers/2003-06/jun30_03dane.html


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Here is an excerpt from another article explaining why these islands are important:
The question that arises is why this island is so important? In and of itself, the island is remote. However, its location affects the manner by which the maritime boundary is determined between northern Greenland and Canada. In turn, this international boundary takes on significance for three reasons. First, these waters contain important fish stocks including turbot and shrimp. The boundary will affect the northern divisions of this resource. Secondly, it has been reported that Greenland Inuit have been crossing over to Baffin Island to engage in illegal polar bear hunts. The Canadian Rangers have been dispatched to Baffin Island but have not caught any of the alleged hunters. If it proves to have been a long-term habit, it is conceivable that the Greenland homeland government could argue that the hunt is an established right. Thus, any boundary dispute between Canada and Denmark could exacerbate that situation. Thirdly, the impact of climate change is expected to cause substantial warming of the Polar region. Thus, while the region is remote and inhospitable, this could change rapidly as the region warms.

http://www.naval.ca/article/Heubert/The_Return_of_the_Vikings.html

Telperion
Wednesday, June 30th, 2004, 05:19 AM
If Denmark takes possession of this island, perhaps it will convince Canada it actually ought to give its military enough resources to defend its territorial integrity. The fact that a country as miniscule as Denmark could easily take this island from Canada by force (if the US didn't intervene) is awfully pathetic.

JoeDas
Wednesday, June 30th, 2004, 08:01 AM
The thing is, the island is disputed. It isn't Canada's land, Canada only claims it, and it only claims it on paper. Denmark wouldn't be "taking the island from Canada" because neither country really owns it as it is.

Considering neither country owns the island, the question is, should the island belong to Canada or Denmark? If we examine the facts, we see that the island lies between Ellesmere Island and Greenland, and it is closer geographically to Greenland. It is uninhabited, and the only people who go there are Inuit hunters from Greenland. The island's name is "Hans Island", which is clearly a Danish name, implying that whoever named this island was a Dane and not a Canadian. Canada's only claim to the island is "the island is ours because we say it is", sort of like Stalin's "Viipuri is the USSR's because I say it is", despite Russia having no real claim to Viipuri at all.


This isn't Canada's only territorial dispute of course, and it certainly isn't the most important one. A far more important one is the USA's claim that the Northwest Passage is International Water, while Canada claims it to be Canadian Water. There's also the another dispute with the USA about the line between Canadian and American Waters North of Alaska, which is important because of potential oil reserves. Then there are the disputes with Russia over land and water in the far North.

Thank God Canada isn't a belligerent nation, because they have lots of territorial disputes!

Mistress Klaus
Wednesday, June 30th, 2004, 10:43 AM
Greenland should have it. ;)

Stew
Wednesday, June 30th, 2004, 03:16 PM
I hope they invade the rest of this crappy country, we badly need a political regime change.

Glenlivet
Wednesday, June 30th, 2004, 03:27 PM
If it becomes more serious it is at these times that a Nordic nation need support from the others via the Nordic Council (Nordisk råd in Danish).

Telperion
Wednesday, June 30th, 2004, 03:34 PM
It isn't Canada's land, Canada only claims it, and it only claims it on paper.
It's ours, it is, and we wants it!

Telperion
Wednesday, June 30th, 2004, 03:37 PM
Greenland should have it. ;)
Humph! Don't expect us to help you out, if you're ever threatened with an invasion by New Zealand. ;)

Mistress Klaus
Thursday, July 1st, 2004, 07:49 AM
Humph! Don't expect us to help you out, if you're ever threatened with an invasion by New Zealand. ;)

:ftitanic: :roll We are practically been invaded by them now...(in a quieter more sneaky way) :(

Phlegethon
Thursday, July 1st, 2004, 10:54 AM
Yeah, kiwis and Tasmanian Devils stink!

But I hope you are all aware that Greenalnd has the highest murder rate in the world. If they took over Canada there'd be murder and bloodshed, as you could not convince them that Molson is beer. ;)

Glenlivet
Thursday, July 1st, 2004, 11:01 AM
The Greenlanders have probably an even higher depression rate than Scandinavians.

Phlegethon
Thursday, July 1st, 2004, 11:14 AM
Booze, unemployment and domestic abuse.

Glenlivet
Thursday, July 1st, 2004, 11:18 AM
That sounds like the poor situation for North American Indians in reservoirs.



Booze, unemployment and domestic abuse.

Phlegethon
Thursday, July 1st, 2004, 11:45 AM
A traditional problem for natives living in the White Man's reservations.

JoeDas
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 08:57 PM
Here are some maps of the disputed island to give you a better idea of where it is and the relative size

Northern Paladin
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 09:14 PM
I hope they invade the rest of this crappy country, we badly need a political regime change.

Denmark's Government is one of Europe's best. Very Nationalistic/Presevantionalist. They are one of the few nations in Northern Europe who have drastically restricted immigration and taken measures to preserve their culture.

Greenland should get the land since it's closer and they need it more. But most likely it will take a conflict to resolve the matter.

Stew
Saturday, August 14th, 2004, 07:37 AM
Denmark's Government is one of Europe's best. Very Nationalistic/Presevantionalist. They are one of the few nations in Northern Europe who have drastically restricted immigration and taken measures to preserve their culture.

Greenland should get the land since it's closer and they need it more. But most likely it will take a conflict to resolve the matter.

The Danes would only need to bring a slingshot and a pair of waterwings to out do Canada's pathetic navy. :)

Ginormous
Thursday, August 19th, 2004, 04:41 PM
On closer inspection of the maps. I have come to the conclusion.


Who cares about an island as big as a small village?



I read an article several months ago when this happened that said there was a Canadian oceanographic station or something of it's kind on Hans island.

I'll look for that article before I comment further.

Verslingen
Tuesday, August 24th, 2004, 02:55 AM
I hope they invade the rest of this crappy country, we badly need a political regime change.
I agree I'd rather be loyal to the Danes, freaking Canadian queer lovers

Verslingen
Monday, September 6th, 2004, 07:41 AM
I am truly torn now that the Danes have pushed us from the grand banks fishing areas. Canada or Danmark what difference does it make when I can't put food on my families table!

V.

WestPrussian
Sunday, September 12th, 2004, 09:31 AM
Denmark is a Nordic nation and Canada is just a social contract, so the island should clearly go to Denmark as long as the livelihood of Nordic Canadians is not affected.