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Tore
Thursday, December 26th, 2002, 06:35 PM
I do however wanna implement that alot of these pictures on SNPA piss me off big time. One day we should make a thread about all those idiotic pics which piss us off.

Well, I'll start by making my first post.

http://image.pathfinder.com/people/images/specials/sma2001/timeline/lgmel85.gif

Mel Gibson=Keltic Nordic?

Sure, I can see some Keltic Nordic in Gibson (Ears, nose to some extent), yet he is in no way "fine-featured." His rugged, masculine appearance suggests that Brunn, or some other sort of Upper Paleolithic, is present.

Hellstar
Thursday, December 26th, 2002, 06:47 PM
I total agree with you Trřnder.

I thought about that one my self for a long time now.

Glad you started this new thread!

Other questionary Kelts:

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/rigg.jpg

BTW i hear rumours that Meg ryan is Jew<
then why the hell is she on the Kelt Nordic section?
http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/meg.jpg


http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/vandamme.jpg

Lol this guy is mostly Brünn elements?

Ross
Thursday, December 26th, 2002, 06:51 PM
Pics are just pics... The real problem (if it's a problem) is that they're promoting out-dated and politically influenced works. That's not their fault thou that there are no new works, or that works of, say, Russian anthropologists of 60s-90s weren't translated...

Ross
Thursday, December 26th, 2002, 07:08 PM
Mr. Van Damm (?) has EB eyes.

Hellstar
Thursday, December 26th, 2002, 07:47 PM
Yea actually he has now you say it.

In continuation to what you said before.
its true physical anthropology is almost withered away now.
I still find SNPA real interesting but alot of their
modern pictures really destroy the
all-around spectrum in a Sub-type sometimes.
I think the most learning aspect is that there are
even much variation in a so-called Sub-type.
mankind is in constant gradualism
but yet when to decide more sub types within
an already sub type is another step in front of us!
call my imagination wild but im thinking of
3-4 different types of hallstatts.
just some theories I been playing with in my head.

Anglo saxon:
http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/deb.JPG

This girl looks abit Neo Danubian I think.


Trřnder:
http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/ullmann.jpg
Hmmm

Phallian:
http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/glynis.jpg
I doubt it. she dyed her hair so dont let it abstract you to much.

Neo danubian:
http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/kinski.jpg
Abit other features than the normal danubian.

East baltic:
http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/troe071a.jpg
I got race books where it says his phallian.

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/troe072.jpg
This guy looks almost to Nordic to be East baltic.

Sub Nordic:
http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/lambert.jpg
Looks more Med/Brünn type

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/beart.jpg
Med/Alpine?

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/caron.jpg
Hmm mystery, I doubt shes Sub-Nordic.

Brünn:
http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/pcollins.jpg
To much alpine to be distinct Brünn-

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/chuck.jpg
I hear he got Indian blood in him. but look like a real Brünn to me!

Borreby:
http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/troe053b.jpg
Ohh hehe nothing, i was just wondering where they found this idiot
or charming individual lol.
he look as dumb as this guy Adam i once knew
(both always sitting with open mouth)

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/wagner.jpg
Is it just me or abit atypical Borreby?

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/urich.jpg
Sorry but why is this guy not in the Atlantid paleo section?

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/kelsey.jpg
This guy has a phallian deviation I think.

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/nichols.jpg
with deviation of something else also.

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/kim.jpg
Lol thats Kim larsen.
I even talked to that guy once in the summer of 1999 or was it 98? :)

Ross
Thursday, December 26th, 2002, 07:53 PM
Difference between ND and EB inCoon's taxonomy is that ND are Baltics, and EB are not balticized/gracialized(?) UPs, while on the periphery these types are Mongolid influenced.

Poles and Bielorussians, as well as ethnic Russians are no more Mongolid than Germans, Norses and Danes - some influence is presented, but it's minimal and probably isolated in certain families and can be seen from phenotypes.

Hellstar
Thursday, December 26th, 2002, 07:55 PM
That seems unlikely, depends on the areas in russia we talk about of cause. but what about Estonia,Latvia and etc...

Ross
Thursday, December 26th, 2002, 08:04 PM
The Baltic States and Finland have the 50% Uralic share (as anthropology and genetics confirm), thou localized in eastern regions.

The Europid population of these countries is basically UP - same as in Scandinavia, with Battle-Axe admixture.

And as another Asiatic strain is presented in Hungary, small wonder that anthropologists believed that as Mongolid influenced is detectable in Vienne and Dresden (or rather Koenigsberg) it must be even higher in Poland and Russia. But that's not true...

EB types on the Balkans are whether pure Balts or Balts mixed with Asiatics...

The point is that Guenther and Coon's theories are absurd even according to small knowledge on Eastern Slavs, Balts and Finns they had. In 300 years EBs were able to assimilate millions and millions on the territiry from Volga to Oder??

cosmocreator
Thursday, December 26th, 2002, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/troe072.jpg
This guy looks almost to Nordic to be East baltic.

I think he looks Tronder




http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/caron.jpg
Hmm mystery, I doubt shes Sub-Nordic.

I think she looks Med.

GreenHeart
Friday, December 27th, 2002, 10:41 AM
I don't know if it's just me, but she looks to me like she has a small bit of negroid influence........

In any case she doesn't look like any White European!

GreenHeart
Friday, December 27th, 2002, 10:45 AM
Supposedly she is a less distinct East baltic and "very nordic", but she looks purely east baltic or even slightly armenoid or jewish to me...... (look at her flat yet hooked nose)

GreenHeart
Friday, December 27th, 2002, 10:48 AM
This guy (Brünn) could almost pass for my dads father......
This is a very good example of Brünn.

GreenHeart
Friday, December 27th, 2002, 10:57 AM
She seems to be too much on the nordic/keltic side to be EB
But then again she could also be Trřnder influenced.

GreenHeart
Friday, December 27th, 2002, 11:05 AM
Erm, I heard Marilyn Monroe was of jewish descent, so why is she in the borreby section?

(Look at the typically jewish bottom lip)

Also, I think the jewish skull cap should say it all

Hellstar
Friday, December 27th, 2002, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by NordicPower88
Supposedly she is a less distinct East baltic and "very nordic", but she looks purely east baltic or even slightly armenoid or jewish to me...... (look at her flat yet hooked nose)
She use to be very famous in scandinavien, so i seen alot about her. shes not jew or anything like that trust me, shes very fine sweet woman and typical Swede woman.
I agree about marilyn monroe.... and the other girl could be Třnder as well?

GreenHeart
Saturday, December 28th, 2002, 09:55 AM
I don't know but I think this guy looks more Scandinavian Brünn than Hallstatt.

Hellstar
Saturday, December 28th, 2002, 10:07 AM
Your correct. I forgot him. did you see the other obvious mixed type on same page?

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/bilder/gorshin.jpg

There is something hard to explain,
but we all know the Racial impression a person gives us.
and this persons impression is Brünn and
not solely Hallstatt.

The overall impression,
the gazing in the eyes.tells alot about race
(Some people determining race are just trapped in a civilized mind)

Vojvoda
Friday, March 19th, 2004, 04:50 PM
Interesting thread so I will bump it :D

White Preservationist
Friday, March 19th, 2004, 06:37 PM
Val Kilmer is a not-white quarter-asiatic, but nordish.com says he is "Falish". Just another example of gross inaccuracies propagated by that site! It is also obvious that his hair has artificial colouring!

http://www.angeltowns.com/members/racialreal/americans.html

Louky
Friday, March 19th, 2004, 07:15 PM
Erm, I heard Marilyn Monroe was of jewish descent...

No, this is false. Marilyn Monroe IS NOT of Jewish descent. She CONVERTED to Judaism in order to marry a Jew (I think it was Miller). Don't hold it against her; it was the times.

Allenson
Friday, March 19th, 2004, 08:52 PM
Interesting thread so I will bump it :D


Over a year later and the thread returns from the depths! :P


Anyway, I can throw in my few cents I suppose--

Sure, SNPA, McCulloch and Coon's classifiaction scheme can all be questioned & refuted on many differnt levels. I think any of us who've been hanging around the Phys-Anth forums for any amout of time will agree that none of the above mentioned entities are perfect..... :-O

That being said though, I will gladly give each and all credit for helping to raise racial and anthropological awareness amongst us and spurring us on to our own readings, research, theories, etc. All systems and schemes need some revision and a revisiting from time to time and this is no different.

So, instead of thrashing, trashing and bashing, let's acknowledge these entities for their good points and make better upon their shorter comings...

executiona9
Friday, March 19th, 2004, 09:09 PM
`` Sure, SNPA, McCulloch and Coon's classifiaction scheme can all be questioned & refuted on many differnt levels. ``


There is one big difference. Coon`s work was objective written. SNPA and McCullogh write/wrote from a nordicist biased perspective

Fred
Friday, March 19th, 2004, 10:01 PM
I would question the whole Noric section too...

Glenlivet
Friday, March 19th, 2004, 10:58 PM
He is a great example of Trönder.



I don't know but I think this guy looks more Scandinavian Brünn than Hallstatt.