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SaxonPagan
Monday, April 4th, 2011, 01:16 PM
Looking forward to returning to my native Leicester later this week for a few days. One of the highlights will be another visit to Market Bosworth, the site of one of the defining battles of English history and concluding episode in the War Of The Roses.

I say "another" visit because the last time I went they still didn't know exactly where the battle took place (I wonder if I can claim a refund? ;)) and it's only in the last couple of years that historians have worked out the true location. Anyway, I'm assured they have the right place this time and I might even give Shakespeare's Richard III one final read before I head off, just to get into the mood ...

Ingvaeonic
Monday, April 4th, 2011, 02:37 PM
Very interesting period of English history was the War of the Roses. That's why my avatar displays the red rose of the Lancastrians and the white rose of the Yorkists. I've often wondered whose side my English forebears supported, or were pressed to support. I'm inclined to think that they would have been Lancastrians as they were from that southwest part of England: If I remember correctly the house of Lancaster had most its support roughly in the west, and the house of York in the east, though this division is pretty rough and ragged. Leicestershire is just about smack bang in the middle so it would have been a toss up.;)

Bosworth was a Lancastrian victory, so knowing my mob they would have supported Lancaster if they were the winners.;) My boys would have turned up with flags of both red and white roses before the event--and hoisted the victor's flag when it was over. We were nothing if not prepared for every eventuallity.;)

SaxonPagan
Tuesday, April 5th, 2011, 12:37 PM
I think that what you've written there, Ingvaeonic, could almost be a resumé of the battle itself!

The whole thing was quite farcical when you consider that the King (Richard) put the Earl Of Northumberland in the rearguard because he didn't fully trust him, and Northumberland's task was to keep an eye on the Stanley brothers on his flanks, who he trusted even less :D

In the event, the Stanleys switched sides during battle and Northumberland remained neutral throughout, refusing to help Richard when called upon. Basically, everyone was looking after their own interests but the one heroic moment was when Richard and a few knights charged straight at Henry himself and almost got to him despite overwhelming odds, even killing his standard bearer. Had he succeeded, the Tudor period would never have happened so it does make you realise how fine margins can affect the whole course of history!

Ingvaeonic
Tuesday, April 12th, 2011, 09:20 AM
I think that what you've written there, Ingvaeonic, could almost be a resumé of the battle itself!

The whole thing was quite farcical when you consider that the King (Richard) put the Earl Of Northumberland in the rearguard because he didn't fully trust him, and Northumberland's task was to keep an eye on the Stanley brothers on his flanks, who he trusted even less :D

In the event, the Stanleys switched sides during battle and Northumberland remained neutral throughout, refusing to help Richard when called upon. Basically, everyone was looking after their own interests but the one heroic moment was when Richard and a few knights charged straight at Henry himself and almost got to him despite overwhelming odds, even killing his standard bearer. Had he succeeded, the Tudor period would never have happened so it does make you realise how fine margins can affect the whole course of history!

Indeed, Godwinson, many events in history are a damned close run thing and if matters had ended otherwise the whole course of history altered.

In the case of the Battle of Bosworth, it is always good to know when one joins battle that reliable comrades and allies are there to support you in your hour of need when it is a matter of life and death. The less-than-loyal Stanleys going over to the enemy and the very detached Earl of Northumberland remaining aloof from it all--with allies like this one hardly needs enemies.:D

SaxonPagan
Tuesday, April 19th, 2011, 05:34 PM
Well, I made it out to Market Bosworth but was told that the new site was not yet ready for visitors so I'll just have to try again at some future date :(

Ingvaeonic
Wednesday, April 20th, 2011, 07:32 AM
Well, I made it out to Market Bosworth but was told that the new site was not yet ready for visitors so I'll just have to try again at some future date :(

Disappointing, Godwinson, making the effort to get there and the place not being ready. I'd be interested to know what Market Bosworth is like when it is up and running. Any future report would be appreciated.

wittwer
Thursday, April 21st, 2011, 07:22 PM
Ah yes... "A horse! A horse! MY Kingdom for a Horse! Arghh..."

Typical: "The two sides lined up and the dull slaughter began,
Until one side broke and ran...
But, not before the timely arrival of reinforcements from the other
side.
And so, the Tudor Reign began..."

:D