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celticviking
Tuesday, February 22nd, 2011, 02:09 AM
''These peculiarities are probably reflective of
the history of settlement. It is possible that the
early population that arose from the mixing of
Southeast Asians and Melanesians spoke an
Austronesian language.''

“Maori Origins, Y-Chromosome Haplotypes and Implications for Human History in the Pacific”
Underhill, P. A., Passarino, G., Lin, A. A., Marzuki, S., Cavalli-Sforza, L. L. and Chambers, G.
Human Mutation, 2001, volume 17, pages 271-280


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiki

http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/ancient/AncientRepublish_817069.htm

Maori are Australoid + Mongoloid + Europoid
Not all Māori people look the same however because they all have european blood. Some Māori might have Irish,English,Scottish, Dutch or any other kind of European mixture in their blood.
Some can have a flat nose other have an almost Keltic Nordid type nose
Maori have less prognathy, slightly more of a projecting nose, thinner lips, and lighter pigmentation then other Polynesian and they look very different from Australian Aborigines.



Examples

Dan Carter
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=1066459#post1066459

celticviking
Tuesday, February 22nd, 2011, 02:44 AM
Manu Bennett- On his father's side, Bennett is of Te Arawa and Ngāti Kahungunu Maori descent and Irish stock. There is Scottish and Spanish blood on his mother's side.

http://singlegalsdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/30daysprem18.jpg


Winston Peters - his father being Māori and his mother being of Scottish descent.
http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1185969600/372/80372.jpg


Apirana Turupa Ngata-
http://en.academic.ru/pictures/enwiki/65/ApiranaNgata1905.jpg



Temuera Derek Morrison
http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/666/169666.jpg


Keisha Castle-Hughes- was born on 24 March 1990 in Donnybrook, Western Australia, to Desrae Hughes, a Māori mother, and Tim Castle, an English-Australian father.
http://www.evilbeetgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/keisha.jpg


Hone Harawira
http://www.voxy.co.nz/files/imagecache/article_large/files/HoneHarawira_4.jpg


Tariana Turia- American father and Māori mother
http://ozymandiaswarning.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/tariana_turia.jpg


Pita Russell Sharples
http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1255772907/378/2975378.jpg

Benjamin Mitchell
http://www.brownpages.co.nz/Portals/0/Gallery/Album/3/benjamin_mitchell.gif

Blair Strang
http://www.kaitangatatwitch.co.nz/cast/cardwell.jpg

Tiki Taane
http://kailahawaii.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/tiki.jpg

Jemaine Clement
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-TmWcCkYErY/S_RORPvMRvI/AAAAAAAAHqI/ePgIJ-GKHyA/s1600/jermaine-clement.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:New_Zealand_M%C4%81ori_people

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_M%C4%81ori_people

Diarmuid
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 01:44 AM
What does a pure Maori look like? What race would they be classified under? Are most of them mixed? Also, what do New Zealander Skadi members think of them? Are they as incompetent as other indigenous peoples? I've never met or seen a Maori in person, but the ones I've seen on television or in pictures resemble other Polynesian peoples.

AuroraNordalis
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 02:01 AM
Pure blooded Maori's are Mongoloid. Some people will argue that they are mixed with Melanesian/Negrito like those from Paupa New Guinea.Allot of Melanesan DNA is spread out thin across the South Pacific.

Nowadays Maori's have White blood like most aboriginal populations of the world.

Maybe someone from New Zealand can be more specific in describing the mtDNA and history of these people.

Personally, I never met one but I heard they are physically big like most Polynesians.

Hope I helped a little bit.

Loyalist
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 02:01 AM
I prefer the simplicity of the three human races concept, as opposed to dividing human populations into further sub-groups (Australoid, Amerindian, Pygmoid, etc.). That said, the Maori are part of the Mongoloid spectrum, and descended from Polynesian migrants. They seem to be a particularly primitive group, apparently one of the few (if not only) people on the planet still living a Stone Age lifestyle when discovered by Europeans. I recall reading that they either did not discover fire, or were never able to properly harness it (someone correct me if I am wrong). Otherwise, they are plagued by the same social ills that are commonplace among other "indigenous" groups in Colonial lands: poverty, crime, illiteracy, alcoholism/substance abuse, unemployment, sexual promiscuity, etc.

Here are some examples of unmixed Maoris:

http://i51.tinypic.com/oqix4h.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/wufi2q.jpg

Æmeric
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 04:32 AM
Maoris are Polynesian a branch of the Mongoloid race. But as already been stated it is probable they have abosorbed Melanesian blood prior to the arrival of the Europeans.

Maoris are supposedly the original inhabitants of New Zealand arriving within the last 1,000 years but it may be that they just completely wiped out most of the previous inhabitants & absorbed the survivors.

NatRev
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 08:29 AM
It should be noted that the Maoris, like the 'Native' Americans were NOT the first people to colonise New Zealand.

Patupaiarehe is a Maori term for 'fairy folk' who were described as being fair haired (blonde and red) and living in the forest, similar to European 'pixies and elves'.

I've always believed that the European 'fairy folk' were an Aryan racial recollection of the pre-Aryan inhabitants of Europe. The fact that elves, gnomes, pixies etc. are always envisaged as 'smaller' than normal folk may give credibility as I believe the pre-Aryan Mesolithic types were much darker and smaller than fairer Europids that swept in from Asia centuries later.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/files/ps2399nzp.jpg

http://gifted.tki.org.nz/r/maori/nga_pakiwaitara/img/turehu_figure.jpg


The Patupairehe (or Patu Paiarehe) were fair-skinned fairies found in Māori lore, and are dangerous to humans. The fairies are supposed to live in large guarded communities in the peaks of the mountains in New Zealand. Ethereal flute music and singing signals their presence. Legends of fairy people are recorded in tribes and hapu around Mount Pirongia and Mount Ngongotaha[1] amongst others.


The Turehu first lived in the forests, mountain tops.
The Turehu, were resident in New Zealand when the Maori first landed.[1] These pre-Maori people, were sometimes described as fair complexioned, with red[2] or blond hair and blue hazel or green eyes[citation needed] and pakepakehā is a Turehu word for a flower with a white blossom., considered one of the possible sources[3] of the Māori word pākehā - used to refer to European people

Alfadur
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 03:25 PM
They seem to be a particularly primitive group, apparently one of the few (if not only) people on the planet still living a Stone Age lifestyle when discovered by Europeans. I recall reading that they either did not discover fire, or were never able to properly harness it (someone correct me if I am wrong).
Well, you're wrong on that count. You're confusing them with the black Australoid aboriginals. It was the aboriginals who degenerated to the point where they forgot the secret of fire, didn't wear any clothes, and had an IQ that would be "mentally retarded" by European standards. They were basically living in the Stone Age when they were discovered by outsiders (who mistook them for baboons).

The Maori are from the Pacific Islands, and part of the "Amerindian racial spectrum". They were actually the most powerful of the natives the British encountered. To be sure, the Maori are unfit to be in a white society, but they would be far above the aboriginals in the "racial hierarchy".

NatRev
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 03:34 PM
Their Warrior code and loyalty to Tribe and Family is something we all could learn from.

Loyalist
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 03:43 PM
Well, you're wrong on that count. You're confusing them with the black Australoid aboriginals. It was the aboriginals who degenerated to the point where they forgot the secret of fire, didn't wear any clothes, and had an IQ that would be "mentally retarded" by European standards. They were basically living in the Stone Age when they were discovered by outsiders (who mistook them for baboons).

The Maori are from the Pacific Islands, and part of the "Amerindian racial spectrum". They were actually the most powerful of the natives the British encountered. To be sure, the Maori are unfit to be in a white society, but they would be far above the aboriginals in the "racial hierarchy".

You are wrong on that count. Australoid Aborigines did have fire; there are plants in the region that require roasting to harvest/germinate and the natives were doing so well before Europeans arrived. If you are going to make an attempt at an authoritative, intellectual post, make sure you know the facts, or else put a disclaimer up as I did.

Alfadur
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 03:50 PM
You are wrong on that count. Australoid Aborigines did have fire
I got my facts wrong. It was the Tasmanian Aborigines that I was talking about, who are also Australoids. The natives living on the main island did have fire, you're correct on that.

Still, my point stands that the aboriginals were in general a primitive race.

The Aesthete
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 04:05 PM
There is no full blood Maori left


The Maori men seem to throw themselves at white women

Sigurd
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 04:25 PM
The Maori men seem to throw themselves at white women

Which might not even be alone a natural reality-derived Eugenic instinct, but beyond that a mythology-derived Eugenic instinct. Fairy folk are - not just in European lore, where it's most obvious - often considered a more ancient race, often enjoy tremendous longevity and are also at a higher evolutionary state.

When Europeans happened upon them, sharing a similar complexion to their fairy folk, they might have at first thought they were being visited by their mythical beings, the instinct that breeding with a higher mythical being is considered good might be engrained so deep in their folk memory that the subconscious will almost automatically make that association. ;)

Alfadur
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 04:31 PM
There is no full blood Maori left

The Maori men seem to throw themselves at white women
Would it kill you to use proper sentences and punctuation?

Hamar Fox
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 04:43 PM
Regarding their character traits and intellectual ability, this documentary could be illuminating. Granted, it focuses on their lowest elements, but I find them to be a hideous race, both physically and intellectually. Racially, I'd slot them with Samoans and Hawaiians. They have some clear Mongoloid admixtured, and probably some recent European. I think they might be a subset of Australoids, but by no means as pure as their Australian counterparts. Anyway, here's the first part of the documentary:

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celticviking
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 04:57 PM
Their Warrior code and loyalty to Tribe and Family is something we all could learn from.

They lived in hillforts ruled by Chieftain/Chiefs and lived in Tribes worshiped nature, mother earth, Goddess of Death, fairies and Pale Sea Gods.
, Gods of thunder, fire, sun and sky that lived in "other world,underworld", Maori had spears, axes, bone flutes,bone combs, wore fur cloaks , and kilt like clothes made of green flax , had a wizard druid like elder and were scared of the dragon Taniwha and sailed in Waka that looked like a small long Viking Ship. Maori oral tradition tells us how the art of facial tattooing and design was learned from the former inhabitants called the Patu-paiarehe, who fitted the description of Europeans. They also got fishing nets or hooks from Blonde/Red haired Fairy Folk that sometimes lived in Mountains and Forrest in hill forts (Only the Celt,Viking and Maori live in hill forts) ;)

Also another group of Red haired people come from South America ;) (Vikings went to North and South America.
Iceland/Shetland/Scotland/Wales/GreenLand Vikings could all be part Celtic)
http://www.whitenewsnow.com/showthread.php?14578-Celtic-and-Viking-traces-in-Ancient-New-Zealand

There are even Ravens in NZ (Ravens were important in Celtic and Viking Mythology)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Raven


European woman 'arrived in New Zealand before Captain Cook'

The discovery of a European skull dating back more than 260 years has cast doubt that Captain James Cook was the first Westerner to step foot on the shores of New Zealand.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/newzealand/2505026/European-woman-arrived-in-New-Zealand-before-Captain-Cook.html


Maori Men and Woman from different homelands

The male and female ancestors of today’s Maori people of New Zealand originated from different parts of the world, molecular biologists have said.

Their claims, made by Masters student Adele Whyte, the Tuapapa Putaiao Maori Fellow at Victoria University in Wellington, and her supervisor Professor Geoff Chambers, will be aired on ABC-TV’s science program Catalyst tonight.

By comparing the DNA of people from Asia, across the Pacific Ocean and New Zealand, Whyte and Chambers have revealed a 'living genetic map' of ancient Maori migration routes
http://www.abc.net.au/science/news/ancient/AncientRepublish_817069.htm

Hawaiki is in Taiwan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaiki



Nowadays Maori's have White blood like most aboriginal populations of the world.

Maybe someone from New Zealand can be more specific in describing the mtDNA and history of these people.

Personally, I never met one but I heard they are physically big like most Polynesians.



Modern Maori can be big,fat,small,short,tall, musculer. Not all look like Billy T James and not all look like All Blacks or actors.
They can also have European Keltic Nordid like noses.

They aren't acting like Maori anymore.
Most of the young get in gangs that copy African American, listen to rap and hip hop music and . We see them on Police Ten 7 a lot. Or other Maori would rather eat Fried Chicken, burgers, chips then their Hangi food , Some wear suits,ties and drive cars copying Europeans.

Te reo going the way of the moa

The Maori language is in crisis, despite the state spending more than $220 million a year on programmes to save it, a damning report has found http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4255535/Te-reo-going-the-way-of-the-moa

Governments wants New Zealanders to learn Mandarin
and Samaon, when the Chinese and Samaons never signed the treaty.

The Chinese government is stepping up its push to make Mandarin a second language in some of New Zealand's schools.
It is putting up $250,000 towards tuition so Kiwi children can learn the language

Prime Minister John Key has said he believes Mandarin will one day push aside traditional European choices as a second language.

http://www.whitenewsnow.com/showthread.php?14698-Chinese-and-Te-Reo-Maori-language-in-New-Zealand

http://www.whitenewsnow.com/showthread.php?19932-The-Samoan-language-is-the-third-most-commonly-spoken-language-in-New-Zealand

Maori language is on every almost tv channel and all teachers now have to learn Maori, yes even French and German teachers. English is failing in schools because of Multiculturalism and text speak language.


Here are is my thread about Maori
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=139283


They are very different to Australian Abo. The Maori have only been in Nz for 1000 years, their Mythology says they had help to get nets and hooks from red haired fairy folk and pale sea gods.

The word the Maori call us is Pakeha, comes from the name of a Pale Sea god Pakehakeha. Although many Maori don't speak of their mythology of Pale gods,red haired blonde fairies,sea monsters and dragons anymore. So many Europeans think it means "flea" or "pig".

Alfadur
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 05:02 PM
They also got fishing nets or hooks from Blonde/Red haired Fairy Folk that sometimes lived in Mountains and Forrest in hill forts (Only the Celt,Viking and Maori live in hill forts) ;)

Also another group of Red haired people come from South America ;) (Vikings went to North and South America.
What on earth are you going on about. There is absolutely zero evidence that the Vikings sailed around in the Pacific Ocean and encountered the Maori. These tales about the fairy folk are, most likely, just ancestral tales. It's ridiculous to claim that it was Vikings who gave fishing nets and hooks to the Maori.

As a descendant of Norse Vikings, I'm not sure I want to claim the Maori as my own.

celticviking
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 05:16 PM
As a descendant of Norse Vikings, I'm not sure I want to claim the Maori as my own.

They wouldn't be claimed as your own because the Maori are Mixed Race.
But there were groups before the Pre Maori that looked nothing like Maori.
All those things I listed were similar to Celtic and Viking.



The Turehu first lived in the forests, mountain tops.

The Turehu, were resident in New Zealand when the Maori first landed.[1] These pre-Maori people, were sometimes described as fair complexioned, with red[2] or blond hair and blue hazel or green eyes[citation needed] and pakepakehā is a Turehu word for a flower with a white blossom., considered one of the possible sources[3] of the Māori word pākehā - used to refer to Europeans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turehu


The Patupairehe (or Patu Paiarehe) were fair-skinned fairies found in Māori lore, and are dangerous to humans. The fairies are supposed to live in large guarded communities in the peaks of the mountains in New Zealand. Ethereal flute music and singing signals their presence. Legends of fairy people are recorded in tribes and hapu around Mount Pirongia and Mount Ngongotaha[1] amongst others.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patupairehe


MAORI SOMATOLOGY. RACIAL AVERAGES.
BY TE RANGI HIROA (P. H. BUCK), D.S.O., M.D.

the distribution on face, body and limbs. The collecting of hair samples for laboratory examination will probably have to be done by a European. Enough superstition exists at the back of the Maori mind, to suspect us of witchcraft if disaster occurred to anyone from whose sacred head, hair had been collected. Though the hair is mostly straight and wavy, words exist in the language showing that various characteristics were recognised from straight to woolly. Kapu as applied to hair means curly; Kapu mahora, slightly curled, wavy, though mahora, with some tribes means straight; Kapu mawhatu, separated into distinct curls; Mingimingi or Mingomingo, crisped, frizzled; and Kapu piripiri, woolly. Some of the pre-Maori people were reputed to have frizzly, woolly hair, standing up like a mop. When the hair is allowed to grow long, this characteristic is to be seen amongst isolated members of various tribes but we have no cases in this series. The general colour is black, but brown and reddish hair occur. Certain tribes have been stated to have had more than their share of red hair, and in these tribes it is said to occur in certain families. It was supposed to be more prevalent amongst the Tuhoe, Maniapoto and Upper Whanganui tribes. Red hair is known as Urukehu, and was popularly supposed to be another Patupaiarehe inheritance. Warahoe was a red-haired ancestor of the Urewera people at Te Whaiti, hence the proverb, “Ka urukehu te tangata, ka kiia no Warahoe.” “If a person is red haired, it is said to be from Warahoe.” Percy Smith quotes a saying from Mangaia in the Cook Group, “Te anau keu a Tangaroa.” “The light-haired descendants of Tangaroa.” Anau keu is the Mangaian equivalent of the Maori whanau kehu. In the Auckland Museum there is a hank of beautiful wavy red hair, obtained from a rock shelter near Waitakerei. That it belonged to pre-European days is proved by the root ends being plaited together and bound round with fine braid prepared from the same hair. Curiously enough, the only other specimen of hair in the same case is also bound round with fine hair braid and is dark-brown in colour. It was obtained from the same cave as the very old carved coffins from Waimamaku. Words denoting very fair or flaxen hair are korito or korako, the latter being the same word as used for an albino. As another example of the Maori belief in the inheritance of fair hair from certain ancestors, we have the proverb, “He aha te uru o to tamaiti? Kapatau he uru korito, he korako, he uru ariki no Pipi.” “What is the hair of your child? Were it flaxen hair or whitish, it would be the hair of high chieftainship from Pipi.” Pipi was a woman of the highest rank who flourished twenty-four generations ago and was an ancestress of the Ngati-Ira tribe. Although amongst the Maoris the confusion in colour caused by the Samoan and Tongan custom of limeing the hair, does not exist, yet, owing to the admixture of white blood, great care has to be exercised in recording cases of red
http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document/Volume_31_1922/Volume_31,_No._121/Maori_somatology._Racial_averages,_by_Te _Rangi_Hiroa_(P._H._Buck),_p_37-44/p1




The following story was written by Hoani Nahe, a Ngāti Maru (Hauraki) elder of the late 19th and early 20th centuries. He writes graphically of a people called the patupaiarehe and the tūrehu, who inhabited the land prior to the arrival of the Polynesian peoples.

Now listen. When the migration arrived here they found people living in the land – Ngati Kura, Ngati Korakorako and Ngati Turehu, all hapu or sub-tribes of the people called Patupaiarehe. The chiefs of this people were named Tahurangi, Whanawhana, Nukupori, Tuku, Ripiroaitu, Tapu-te-uru and Te Rangipouri. The dwelling places of these people were on the sharp peaks of the high mountains – those in the district of Hauraki (Thames) are Moehau mountain (Cape Colville), Motutere (Castle Hill, Coromandel), Maumaupaki, Whakairi, Kaitarakihi, Te Koronga, Horehore, Whakaperu, Te Aroha-a-uta, Te Aroha-a-tai, and lastly Pirongia, at Waikato. The pa, villages, and houses of this people are not visible, nor actually to be seen by mortal (Tangata Maori) eyes – that is, their actual forms. But sometimes some forms are seen, though not actually known to be these people … Sometimes this people is met with by the Maori people in the forests, and they are heard conversing and calling out, as they pass along, but at the same time they never meet face to face, or so that they mutually see one another, but the voices are heard in conversation or shouting, but the people are never actually seen.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/first-peoples-in-maori-tradition/5


Hill forts by country
4.1 Britain
4.2 Central Europe
4.3 Estonia
4.4 France
4.5 Ireland
4.6 Lithuania
4.7 Portugal and Spain
4.8 Scandinavia and Russia


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_fort

Maori of Nz, also lived in hill forts.
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Modern Maori are all mixed race. They aren't like Samoans or Fiji people. They are not all big or strong. They have different heights,weights,nose shapes.

Þoreiðar
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 05:35 PM
What on earth are you going on about. There is absolutely zero evidence that the Vikings sailed around in the Pacific Ocean and encountered the Maori. These tales about the fairy folk are, most likely, just ancestral tales. It's ridiculous to claim that it was Vikings who gave fishing nets and hooks to the Maori.Anyways, here's an interesting Norwegian article regarding the theory of Viking presence in New Zealand; http://www.sydhav.no/artikler/vikinger_new_zealand.htm

For you Anglophones, here's a more or less comprehensible translation;
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=1116126


As a descendant of Norse Vikings, I'm not sure I want to claim the Maori as my own.You mean Norse Varangians, surely. ;) :P

celticviking
Thursday, August 18th, 2011, 05:39 PM
What does a pure Maori look like? What race would they be classified under? Are most of them mixed? Also, what do New Zealander Skadi members think of them? Are they as incompetent as other indigenous peoples? I've never met or seen a Maori in person, but the ones I've seen on television or in pictures resemble other Polynesian peoples.


Comparative science
In the second half of the 19th century the idea of the Semitic or Jewish Polynesian was replaced by that of the Aryan or Caucasian Polynesian. Rather than Egypt or Greece, India was seen as the original homeland of Polynesians. This was a result of the fashionable science that was flourishing in England – comparative linguistics, religions and mythologies.

One of the great intellectual achievements of the time was to understand the historical connections and development of languages. This began with William Jones in 1786, who argued that there were links between European languages and Sanskrit, the ancient language of India. A succession of linguists gradually revealed the existence of the language family they called Indo-European.

In the 19th century influential scholars such as Oxford linguist Max Müller pointed to the significance of ancient Aryan societies who moved into India. Subsequent Indian language and culture underlay the classical civilisations of Greece and Rome, and in turn the societies of modern Europe. Müller equated the history of language with the history of race, and believed in the concept of a single Aryan ancestry shared by Europeans and Indians. Māori became included in the chain of peoples thought to descend from the ancient Aryan tribes.



It was not long before scholars in the Pacific found links between the Malayo-Polynesian and the Indo-European language families. It was claimed that Pacific Island languages did contain significant remnants of Sanskrit; and that island customs, mythologies and religions were full of fragments of Aryan culture.


http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/ideas-of-maori-origins/2

MAORI AND EGYPTIAN TATTOOING
http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/document//Volume_13_1904/Volume_13,_No._2,_June_1904/Maori_and_Egyptian_tattooing,_p_104/p1

Another feature that points the connection of Maori, Egyptian, and Turanian tradition. http://rsnz.natlib.govt.nz/volume/rsnz_19/rsnz_19_00_006620.html

No one really knows about the Maori. People find links to many cultures and there are so many theories.

NatRev
Friday, September 2nd, 2011, 02:10 PM
If Whites were there, and I think they were, I think they're way way way before Vikings. Possibly a previously undiscovered race of fair types similar to Tocharians, eastern Aryans located in central Asia.