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Sunday, June 27th, 2004, 11:08 PM
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Movie Review: 'Fahrenheit 9/11'

by Rich Brooks




27 June 2004

http://www.vnnforum.com/main/2004b/fahrenheitposter.jpg Michael Moore is a fat, slovenly maker of one-sided, left-wing films that purport to be documentaries. His first major effort, "Roger and Me," came out in 1989 and was highly successful. Moore chose a safe target in the person of Roger Smith, CEO of General Motors, and accused him of literally destroying his home town of Flint, Michigan, by closing down its auto factories. But "Roger" wasn't the kind of dry documentary so often seen on PBS, as it was laced with humor and irony. In spite of its obvious bias, it was a funny film. Moore usually comes across in his films as an "aw shucks" kind of regular guy and, much like film critic Roger Ebert, deftly manages to conceal his true hard-left ideology.

I haven't seen any of his films since then, including the recent "Bowling for Columbine," a pro-gun control propaganda piece I had no interest in upsetting myself over. Now, while I am his polar opposite on most issues, there are two big things I agree with Moore about. First is his outspoken opposition to the invasion of Iraq and second is his total contempt for George W. Bush. These are the subjects of "Fahrenheit 9/11," widely publicized as having devastatingly funny footage of Dumbo and exposing the lies and hypocrisy of the whole phony "war on terrorism." I eagerly awaited its widely-publicized opening this weekend, but, alas, I learned that it wasn't being shown at our local eight-screen cinema. Not to be deterred, however, I drove the 85 miles to Lancaster (in Los Angeles County) this morning and arrived in time to catch the 11:00 matinee in one of their huge multiplex compounds.

"F-9/11" didn't exactly get off on the right foot with me in its opening sequences. Even before the first titles appear on the screen, we see footage of protests at Bush's 2001 Inauguration and of blacks in Congress claiming mass voter fraud in Florida. Moore clearly wants us to believe that Bush Jr. stole the election through corrupt election officials and a Republican Supreme Court and began his term as an illegitimate leader. Now I have heard even White Nationalists make the same charge of illegitimacy, but as much as I now hate Bush, I'm not going to be hypocritical. I supported Bush in that election and thought at the time the Court made the right decision in bringing a quick end to a vote-counting controversy that could have dragged on for months with real peril to the nation's security. So Moore lost me right away on that point and showed himself to be a real hardcore nigger-lover as well.

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But Moore quickly moves on to the beginning of Bush's tenure in office, and now I'm beginning to tune in on his wavelength. Very funny are the clips of Dumbo at his Texas ranch taking a month's vacation just prior to September 11, 2001. As Moore shows it, the new president spends most of his time boating or playing golf and is inattentive to his executive duties, to say the least. No doubt Republican loyalists will cry foul, and it is most certainly true that these and other sequences have been cleverly cut and pasted. However, there is nothing cut when the camera captures Bush's initial reaction upon being informed of the 9/11 attacks. Dumbo just sits there in the classroom with a blank look on his face and continues to read children's stories for at least ten minutes after he has just been informed that the nation is under attack. "Who's in charge here?" is the question which just shouts at you when you watch this devastating footage.

Obviously, Bush, Jr. is a puppet, and a very inarticulate one at that. Moore shows us plenty of evidence that this president is really just a spoiled and not-too-bright frat boy who lets others make the serious decisions. Some of the clips have been shown on TV as part of the pre-release publicity, but they are still funny to watch again on the big screen. I'm thinking particularly of the one where Bush earnestly speaks to the camera about how we are fighting terrorism and, in the next breath -- apparently thinking the camera has been turned off -- picks up his golf driver and says to the accompanying reporters, "now watch this drive."

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Eventually Moore moves on to the Iraq invasion and Bush's lying justifications for it. I totally agree that this war was based on a hidden agenda, as indeed was the whole "war on terrorism." Moore shows an inept new president slipping badly in popularity and 9/11 coming along at an extremely opportune time. He shows the ugly reality of that war and contrasts it to the public statements of Rumsfeld, CongoLeeza Rice and others in the administration, and he also shows the complicity of the news media and Democrats in the whole production.

Who are the culprits in this whole mess, according to Michael Moore? Who is setting this hidden agenda and what are their motives? Here is where Moore and I part company in a big way. According to this film, it is all about a bunch of rich and greedy Saudi oil sheiks and their rich and greedy American counterparts. There is not a single mention of Israel anywhere in "F-9/11"! I repeat, not a single word. We do get a couple shots of Wolfowitz -- one particularly funny if disgusting one of him twice wetting his comb with his spit and then running the comb through his hair but he is never labeled as the Zionist jew that he is. Much of the film deals with the Bin Laden family ties to Bush Sr. and Moore seems to accept the conventional wisdom that Bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks. He makes a big deal out of how Bin Laden family members were whisked out of the country even while all other aircraft were grounded, but he never says anything about the Israeli spies who were also quickly whisked out of the country at about the same time. Bin Laden himself has stated three reasons for the attack, and they all involve U.S. support for Israel. Again, no mention of that in "F-9/11."

The point is -- need I belabor it more? -- that this is a jew-safe documentary. Well, what do you expect when Bob and Harvey Weinstein are listed as executive producers? No mention is made of the Zionist jews advising Bush or their plans to invade Iraq long before 9/11. No mention that there is even such a thing as a state of Israel in the mid-east. No, it's all about Big Oil and Big Business, even though the evidence now shows that the big oil companies did not in fact wish to invade Iraq. It's also all about the poor, disadvantaged niggers who are unfairly conscripted to fight this war, according to Moore. This is also contra-factual, because it is really White American soldiers who have been doing the brunt of the fighting and dying in Iraq. At one point, he makes the off-the-wall claim that the system forces these blacks to live in poverty so they can be recruited into the military. No, Michael, niggers create their own poverty and most of them are too stupid to be of any value to Marine recruiters.

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"F-9/11" also spends an inordinate amount of time with one Lena Lipscomb of Flint, Michigan. She is first seen as a patriotic mother of servicemen dutifully hanging out her American flag every morning. We then learn she wears a piece of jewelry around her neck in the form of a small multicolored cross, which she says represents her "multicultural family." The next time we see her it is with her large negro husband surrounded by mullato niglets. She has learned that her mixed-race son serving in Iraq has just been killed, and the tears and bitterness begin to flow. They continue to flow as Ms. Lipscomb tries to visit the White House and express her anger. Why all of the focus on the grief of this one mother of one dead mulatto soldier? There is actually more total footage of her, I believe, than there is of President Bush.

As I left the theater, I pondered the question of whether it would be possible to make an honest documentary about 9/11. First, do we have the talent, and second, could we ever get it seen by anyone? I can't answer either one, but I do know that there is plenty of material that would make a really riveting documentary in the hands of a skillful and honest filmmaker. Michael Moore is indeed a very skillful filmmaker, but I strongly question his honesty. He himself is no longer the poor working-class slob he'd like his audience to think he is. Hymiewood has made him very rich and he appears to enjoy the celebrity. He must know much more than he is willing to reveal in this film.

Nevertheless, "F-9/11" is worth seeing. Except for the Lipscomb sequences, it moves swiftly and doesn't get bogged down in spite of its length - two hours, quite long for a documentary. VNN and White Alert readers will be infuriated at all of the pro-nigger and race-mixing propaganda, but will enjoy the Bush-bashing. It is a powerful indictment against the war in Iraq, even it is dead wrong on the motivation for that war. It is also an antidote to the daily diet of patriotic pabulum we get on the joo toob, even though it too carries the kosher seal.

RICH BROOKS

StrÝbog
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 04:30 AM
I realize perhaps this would be more appropriately posted in Arts but it will get more exposure in the Lounge.

I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 today. Parts of it resonated with me completely, and parts were inimical to my very fiber.

The movie began by reviewing the events of the 2000 electoral decision, and portraying the Florida debacle as a deliberate racist campaign to disenfranchise Florida Negroes. It then showed many Negro representatives openly castigating the electoral decision in Congress and seeking to oppose the inauguration of Bush. Of course, we all know what a racist Bush is. :eyes:

Then it proceeded to various intelligence reports putatively warning the President and high-ranking officials in the months before 9-11. This was all fine. However, during the 9-11 segment it immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was bin Laden, just like every mainstream media outlet, despite the fact that bin Laden denied and continues to deny knowledge of the attacks. Furthermore, the movie did not mention the celebrating Israelis who were captured and later quietly released, nor the fact that our Israel policy was the decisive factor causing Arab hatred of the US. Michael Moore is not only an open Marxist and Negrophile, he is also apparently a philosemite, judging from his admonition that "we should hire the Mossad to kill bin Laden." I, for one, would much rather see bin Laden kill the Mossad. No one declared war on Israel after the Liberty, of couse.
I am not entirely convinced by the establishment story of 9-11, so needless to say, I expressed skepticism of the movie's recounting of those events.

I sympathized with the criticism of Ashcroft and co.'s blatant disregard for due process, the Constitution, and other (what I perceive as) "hindrances" to a ZOG police state. Of course, Moore just portrayed them as "oppressive conservatives." Throughout the movie was the assumption, implicit and explicit, that had Gore been elected or the Democrats stood up to Bush, that America would be infinitely better. His biased and childish political pandering appealed to the many antifas and leftists in the audience. Those of us of a more cynical (i.e. realistic) mind realize that there is no difference between either party and the illusion of a "choice" is a sham foisted upon a gullible populace by the media, business and government. We are free to make choices that have already been made, in effect.

The criticism of the Iraq invasion was entirely accurate. Especially chilling were the comments made by many American soldiers about killing civilians being "the ultimate rush" and how they played music in their tanks while slaughtering the innocent. One Negro soldier commented, "I hate this country."

Then Moore returned again to race-baiting by claiming that poor blacks are carrying the military burden unfairly and are being kept down by the system. This includes visits to his native Flint, Michigan and interviews with poor and unemployed blacks. The last 30 minutes or so followed a particular woman who was working-class and part of a mixed-race family. She was blindly patriotic at first, then disillusioned and bitter when her son was killed. Unfortunately, it seems like it takes the death of a close relation to wake the average American idiot from the propaganda matrix.

Moore's closing comment was a plea that the poor (the black poor especially are implied) stand up to the establishment system, portrayed as rich whites, who are responsible for wars for profit and for "racism," "classism" and other "sins." In a moment of candor Moore made a comment about how people would naturally be equal if evil systems didn't keep some people down. This reveals his Marxist tendencies and is fundamentally at odds with the observations throughout history and with human genetics.

NormanBlood
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 05:23 AM
I saw it tonight and didn't find much of it terribly surprising. He actually released this movie at this time precisely to target Canadians due to the elections that just passed. He released it the day before, and released a statement telling us how this movie will hopefully make us "reflect" on the american situation in order to persuade us not to vote for the New Conservative(old Progressive Conservative and Canadian Alliance parties) party. Agree the Conservatives are idiots, but I am sure Moore would have us vote for the New Democrats and not the Liberals. Anyways, about the movie.

As I said, anyone who reads the newspaper or watchs the news pretty much already knows a lot of the stuff presented, or at least has read things that make this information much less surprising. Though I agree on what he says are the motives of the US presence in Iraq I didn't like his seemingly leftist agenda. In the beginning he makes some comments which would lead the viewer to believe that blacks and other nonwhites are the "freedom loving americans" and the ONLY americans with any sort of grasp or understanding of politics (in his eyes this means those who vote for the democrats), while Whites are of course the "evil Republican oppressors" who condemn them to their "life in the slums". Why he couldn't have just left race out of it, I do not know but I think it is obvious from this film and from some of his other material that he has some serious problems with his own race.


The movie began by reviewing the events of the 2000 electoral decision, and portraying the Florida debacle as a deliberate racist campaign to disenfranchise Florida Negroes.

Aside from the "race issue" I am glad he brought up the elections of 2000, a lot of people probably did not know the whole story and it was quite informative.


However, during the 9-11 segment it immediately jumped to the conclusion that it was bin Laden, just like every mainstream media outlet, despite the fact that bin Laden denied and continues to deny knowledge of the attacks.

Err...and when did Binladen supposedly "deny" anything lol All the evidence of his still being alive (ie: video tapes) show his stating that he and al qaeda were responsible for the attacks. I also think Moore did a good job in researching the Bush/Bin laden family ties. I think it explained quite a bit.


Furthermore, the movie did not mention the celebrating Israelis who were captured and later quietly released, nor the fact that our Israel policy was the decisive factor causing Arab hatred of the US.

So what? I do not see Israel to be an "issue" in the initial situation. That was not the focus of the film and I do not see why it SHOULD have anything to do with the film. The documentary was not made in order show every little detail in a span of two hours. I could understand if he ever mentioned Israel in a positive light yet never mentioned it...but he didn't. Anyone with a brain knows Moore is a leftist and pro-multiculturalist but hell Israel or even a THOUGHT of Jews was not brought up at all..why? Maybe because Israel had nothing to do with the inital happenings of 9/11 and the attacks. I thought it was blatantly obvious that he was just focusing on the key players and exposing more clues as to what really went on.


that America would be infinitely better.

I don't know about "better" but America surely would not be at war right now. American politics are like politics anywhere in the world today. The people only have a choice to vote between "bad" and "worse".


One Negro soldier commented, "I hate this country."

I believe the soldier was White actually and the comment was directed toward Iraq..just to clarify ;)


Then Moore returned again to race-baiting by claiming that poor blacks are carrying the military burden unfairly and are being kept down by the system. This includes visits to his native Flint, Michigan and interviews with poor and unemployed blacks.

Yes, I really disliked this aspect of the film as well. Also noticed that most people he showed "in mourning" were African American. Other than the woman at the end, most of the citizens he interviewed or showed in a positive light were black. Of course the woman had to point out that her "cross was multicoloured to show that all god's children come in different colours" *rollseyes*. The entire last bit of the film seemed focused on the poor blacks and how America owes them "thanks" for being the only ones fighting for America. Of course he never mentioned race, just showed nearly every person in Flint being black ;) This is probably what did piss me off about the movie. Right when I got into enjoying some of the info he had to bring in the "poor blackman".

StrÝbog
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 06:09 AM
As I said, anyone who reads the newspaper or watchs the news pretty much already knows a lot of the stuff presented, or at least has read things that make this information much less surprising. Though I agree on what he says are the motives of the US presence in Iraq I didn't like his seemingly leftist agenda. In the beginning he makes some comments which would lead the viewer to believe that blacks and other nonwhites are the "freedom loving americans" and the ONLY americans with any sort of grasp or understanding of politics (in his eyes this means those who vote for the democrats), while Whites are of course the "evil Republican oppressors" who condemn them to their "life in the slums". Why he couldn't have just left race out of it, I do not know but I think it is obvious from this film and from some of his other material that he has some serious problems with his own race.


Like the book "Stupid White Men"?



Err...and when did Binladen supposedly "deny" anything lol All the evidence of his still being alive (ie: video tapes) show his stating that he and al qaeda were responsible for the attacks. I also think Moore did a good job in researching the Bush/Bin laden family ties. I think it explained quite a bit.


'But bin Laden strongly denied any role in the attacks and suggested that Zionists orchestrated the 9-11 attacks. The BBC published bin Laden's statement of denial in which he said:

"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. "'

The "videotapes of evidence" are widely known to be fabrications by NWO propagandists.



So what? I do not see Israel to be an "issue" in the initial situation. That was not the focus of the film and I do not see why it SHOULD have anything to do with the film. The documentary was not made in order show every little detail in a span of two hours. I could understand if he ever mentioned Israel in a positive light yet never mentioned it...but he didn't. Anyone with a brain knows Moore is a leftist and pro-multiculturalist but hell Israel or even a THOUGHT of Jews was not brought up at all..why? Maybe because Israel had nothing to do with the inital happenings of 9/11 and the attacks. I thought it was blatantly obvious that he was just focusing on the key players and exposing more clues as to what really went on.


You should read more non-establishment media sources:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

"Results 1 - 30 of about 133,000 for israelis 9/11"

http://www.americanfreepress.net/Mideast/Israelis_Arrested_and_Detained/israelis_arrested_and_detained.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/Mideast/Were_the_9-11_Hijackers_Really/were_the_9-11_hijackers_really.html



I don't know about "better" but America surely would not be at war right now. American politics are like politics anywhere in the world today. The people only have a choice to vote between "bad" and "worse".


Uh, there is not "bad" and "worse" in American politics, there is "worst" and "worst." The Democrats would have responded to 9-11 just as ineptly and are just as pro-Israel as the Republicans.



I believe the soldier was White actually and the comment was directed toward Iraq..just to clarify ;)


He was mulatto to my eyes, and I know he was directing it towards Iraq. I mentioned it in the context of US soldiers' atrocities against civilians.

Northern Paladin
Sunday, July 4th, 2004, 08:07 AM
I watched it just because I wanted to see how Good Moore was at Bush Bashing. Moore is indeed a Master Illusionist if only that.


The movie began by reviewing the events of the 2000 electoral decision, and portraying the Florida debacle as a deliberate racist campaign to disenfranchise Florida Negroes. It then showed many Negro representatives openly castigating the electoral decision in Congress and seeking to oppose the inauguration of Bush. Of course, we all know what a racist Bush is. :

Yes and so is his famliy, the Brother who helped him Win his Election is Married to a dirty Mexican. I mean a Dirty Ugly one...Swarthy Mezitizo/Mulatto Mutt. Goodness at least George Dubya has better Taste in Women :P Not that I find Laura particularly attractive or the Bush Twins for that matter. Jenna is Blonde version of Dubya. Though perhaps more Intelligent. :P


Moore's closing comment was a plea that the poor (the black poor especially are implied) stand up to the establishment system, portrayed as rich whites, who are responsible for wars for profit and for "racism," "classism" and other "sins." In a moment of candor Moore made a comment about how people would naturally be equal if evil systems didn't keep some people down. This reveals his Marxist tendencies and is fundamentally at odds with the observations throughout history and with human genetics.


A plea to save the Irredeemiable refuse of American Society how touching.:~( To me it's trying to appeal to the Emotions over Logic. Only the Extremely Moronic and Naive will buy into even half of what this Film is trying to Sell. I doubt Moore Gives a Damn about those Dirty,Ignorant, Animalistic Niggers. He's doing it for the Green and the sense of Control of Power. Though I doubt it will have the Impact he desired it to have. Rich people aren't going to vote Democrat just because some Ignorant,Lazy Niggilate is starving because he failed to Steal Enough from his White "Oppressors". Or couldn't reach his Quota in Selling Crack because White "Oppressors" forced him out of school. :P


Playing the Race Card is always generates controversial just what a Movie needs. Controversy Sells Tickets! Michael Moore knew what he was doing when he made this Movie and I give him Props for Marketing his Film so well. A Truely Amoral Captalist Pig. :thumbsup :thumbsup

Bush's Combustion Temperature is a little higher than 911 if you ask me. Well wouldn't make a Difference Either Way Bush or Kerry if you ask me. America will still be the same Immigrant dumping Grounds.

So mmm Basically after Watching the Movie my Reaction was. Tell me Something I don't Know. :|