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Autosomal Viking
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 04:31 AM
I just read a post in the England section that states some cities will be reduced to ~20% indigenous British by 2029. Not even my decade or so of anti-Germanic conditioning in school that is supposed to cause a knee-jerk response to anything pro-Germanic can make me think this is morally justifiable and should be allowed to happen.

But do you ever sometimes wonder if you are just being evil and racist for your views? Sometimes my only saving grace is that I can work through the issues logically and conclude that I would be insane to think otherwise, so I can't be an evil racist. I'm sure this is more common in the relatively young and those that attended university. So, do you ever struggle with your anti-Germanic conditioning?

Northern Paladin
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 04:36 AM
It reduced me to rubble at one point, but I can see through it now. I don't struggle anymore.

Elessar
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 05:12 AM
I don't deal with "anti-Germanic" sentiment with bold "Pro-Germanic" sentiment.
Not all of us here in America are Germanic. Any slant on me being who I am, I view it as an infringement on my basic humans rights that the lawmakers themselves established (I don't believe in Human Rights, mind you). Remember now, it's not just Germanic peoples who have to deal with racist remarks, but all Europids with a shred of honor in their heritage.

If you take away my right to think and to speak, then you take away my humanity and thus commit a crime against humanity - truth is my defense.

On the other hand, I don't view being Germanic as an inherent nobility card.
Screw "pride", be real.

In essence, I did, and now I couldn't care less.

Wynterwade
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 05:28 AM
Yes I did at one point very much.

I used to be very liberal and was into the whole multicultural thing. (Though I set definitive boundaries like only dating women of my own type.)

Then one day, after taking a class on race differences I started to notice all the problems caused by multiculturalism (affirmative action, double standards, welfare leaches, cultural relativism, white race hating, and vilifying our own culture), liberal ideology (low morals, totally rejecting our anthropological heritage and racial differences).

This was a dramatic turn mentally and after exploring what views I would take on a wide range of subjects from immigration to cultural preservation- there was an odd feeling, mainly the fact that my new beliefs made quite a few assumptions that MANY people have trouble understanding. Here are two of those assumptions...

1) Races are very different on average in perception, behavior, intelligence which results in a different culture and societies (it is not the other way around). This is quite a bit different than the liberal "happy feel good" assumption that everyone is born with a "blank slate"- that is they are free to grow into whatever they wish. Many people have trouble understanding that everyone is born with genetic limits. This leads to making the decision to limit immigration from groups that are different- to limit crime, corruption, increase IQ, and bring in more people with similar a cultural philosophy.

2) Many people who are very proud to be into European cultural and racial heritage type groups are shown by the media to be a bit crazy. I also don't like fascism (I hate it to be honest); I don't like the court system, the structural organization, the centralized power, and the lack of checks and balances. Many people think the two, fascism and racial preservation, are interconnected and will have trouble discerning the difference. To make matters worse, I love more than anything studying the WW1 and WW2 German military (mainly the Luftwaffe- best air fighters ever-, marching songs- best marching music ever written-, and battles- biggest battles in human history) so I have to hide my books when friends come over because I don't want them to misunderstand my interests.

I don't struggle with "anti-German conditioning" anymore. Just make sure you come to a belief system that is consistent with your own moral philosophy.

Ediruc
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 06:34 AM
When I was younger, I use to love studying different religions and accept these as maybe alternate paths of truth, but, other than that, my perception of multiculturalism never went any further.

From observations, I quickly learned that Whites just generally have a different neurology than from say like Blacks or Native Americans. When I was a lot younger I would hear my brother say ignorant and what could be perceived as anti-White/Germanic things. I recall him once saying the highest murder rate in America was committed by White Males (lol).

And, of course I was subjected to the multiculturalism of the education system. That just made me even more wake up to this reality of racial differences and conflict. In elementary school I went to a public school which was like 99.9% "Mexican-American" (filthy spics, you know ;)). Most of them were probably illegal or anchor-babies. I recall being only one among like five or six other white students. Time to time I remember their little hobgoblin faces making fun of me for being white skinned. It didn't make me hate my own skin color or who I was. It made me hate them.

But, no, I never really did psychologically suffer from the anti-Germanic propaganda that was shoved down my throat. When I was like 10 or 11 I had a fascination with the documentaries the history channel did on National Socialist Germany. I never understood it at that age, but I thought the uniforms the Nazis wore were really cool looking and I would play in my backyard as a German soldier, dressing in all gray. :P

Sybren
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 07:33 AM
Yes i struggle.

When for example i tell people i am against interbreeding and the whole multiculture as a whole i am getting looked at as if i were an evil bastard. Sometimes i get a word in and people actually agree with me on a certain level. It's always obvious though that they couldn't care less if for example Frisian heritage goes down the drain.

In all honesty i often try to avoid the subject, because i learned that most probably i would be seen as a racist idiot, while in fact i don't actually hate other races. I just believe races should stick together.

Caledonian
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 07:42 AM
I think it's very hard for any individual embracing anything that a majority does not where upon seeing things differently one becomes outcasted in being a minority.

That's why as a minority of outcasts I believe everybody here at this website along with those that embrace our minority views to be nothing but courageous individuals in the face of a majority that cannot stand up and think for themselves in being defiant.

I not going to lie or say that I haven't struggled over the years ideologically but the important thing is that we stick together and collectively lift each other up in spirits.

We will overcome in our collective struggle and eventually our voice will be heard like lightning across this world to which one day nobody will be able to silence us again.

Wittmann
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 07:47 AM
I generally keep my more extreme views to myself. Anyway, I do not struggle with it, I was bullied in school by Mexicans and Blacks for having white blond hair, and out of that I grew to hate them. They were just jealous they, at their best, are still horrid compared to my worst, bloody animals.

Thusnelda
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 12:44 PM
So, do you ever struggle with your anti-Germanic conditioning?
No, because I wasnīt conditioned anti-Germanic. :) My family and my rural surrounding is relatively uninfluenced by brainwashing and multicultural views, so when I first came in contact with anti-German, anti-Germanic and anti-mono-ethnic views (in middle school and through media) I was already quite steadfast. Some years later, when I became adult, my views hardened and I became what I am now.

Heinrich Harrer
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 01:14 PM
No, because I wasnīt conditioned anti-Germanic. :) My family and my rural surrounding is relatively uninfluenced by brainwashing and multicultural views, so when I first came in contact with anti-German, anti-Germanic and anti-mono-ethnic views (in middle school and through media) I was already quite steadfast. Some years later, when I became adult, my views hardened and I became what I am now.

I'm curious, how were the teachers in your rural area? Were they pretty neutral too? Or did your environment simply reduce/balance out the negative school influence?

In our school they were quite serious about indoctrination, and it was similar in all the other schools I heard about. Are there at least some regions in which schools are less effected, or does the system have a strong grip even in remote areas?

Thusnelda
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 01:28 PM
I'm curious, how were the teachers in your rural area? Were they pretty neutral too? Or did your environment simply reduce/balance out the negative school influence?
Well, I attended a local rural village school during my elementary school years and I canīt remember any indoctrination attempts. Quite the opposite, we learned much about our home region, our past and our culture during "Heimat- und Sachkunde"-lessons and our class teacher was a vibrant local patriot. :) He brought us volumes of poetry and regional sagas and he had a feeling to carry us children along. There was no word of immigration, holocaust, "guilt" or anything else. We sung the Bavarian anthem and learned the national hymn. Often we had lessons outside the classroom and school complex to learn more about our environment and our nature.

Later I attempted a secondary school in the town and there the futile indoctrination started, but not as much and strong as it seems nowadays.

Sigurd
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 01:38 PM
When I received my anti-Germanic conditioning in school, it was already too late, if I recall correctly. I mean, if I recall correctly, since I don't remember that much about my childhood at all, as I've more or less chosen to forget about much of my childhood, which wasn't that happy at all. But from what I recall, there wasn't much anti-Germanic conditioning until secondary school; we didn't learn about slavery and we didn't learn about "White guilt".

I was however raised with a strong pro-Germanic sentiment by my family, especially by the instrumental influence of my grandparents. One of the nice memories of childhood is my grandfather taking walks with me and explaining a different historical chapter to me at a time, never slagging off our forebears, but treating with real interest and grandour that which went before us. I learnt to appreciate European History, learnt to appreciate all from the Ancient Greeks, Romans, Germanics, Celtics into the medieval period and to appreciate the growing of national consciousness in Germany in the 19th century by being basically spoon-fed that there was no shame, only grandour in this. :thumbup

So this is perhaps a reason why I can't remember the worst parts which may have set some of my former classmates onto becoming anti-Germanic in their outlook in turn. My spark was kindled young and so all that poisonous thought could never take root as much. :)

So even though some things were simmering through from school, not much of it stuck. I think the worst I was ever at was: "I love German history, you can't measure it at twelve dark years", before I realised those twelve years weren't quite as dark as a whole; and that I'd been spared being taught about them outside school for my own good; the only thing my grandparents ever taught me about this period was that war - which they experienced as young children - was a horrible thing to live through. This helped me to see that even though war is sometimes necessary, it's never to be over-glorified.

There was a lot of anti-German sentiment in the idea of "We're Austrians not Germans" put into our heads in school, this is the basic and most basic propaganda they have, to "preclude the beginnings"; but seeing that my own grandmother is from an area that is part of the FRG, I was immune to that type of conditioning and I would say it helped me embrace a Greater German mindset. ;)

Compared to what I hear about what my little brothers are being taught in school just ten years later I suppose I had it easy and relatively good. :-O

Wulfram
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 02:05 PM
I am old enough to have lived through the transitional moment when schools in America were still subconsciously segregated. The physical signs had all but been removed by that time (blacks only bathrooms, drinking fountains, schools, etc.) but there was still plenty of implied "racism". In those days blacks still hung out with blacks, sitting at their own tables, never going to all-White parties, etc. There was still that mental block they had that Whites did not want them around, in spite of the fact that all of us were daily saturated with multi-culture in the classrooms. I am fortunate enough to have had a taste of what it must have been like on a much larger scale prior to the 1960s, when integration really began in full.

We were always courteous to the blacks and never behaved in a way that would today be interpreted by Adl as "hateful". But once amongst ourselves we always were amazed at just how backward they all behaved. Sadly, instead of making me want to stay away from them I fell for the leftist scheme of pitying them. So many others did as well. I regret to say that my toleration must have influenced a few younger kids coming up behind me.
How ironic since pity toward another race is also another form of supremacism. :D

White liberals tolerate other races out of pity and not some innate sense of equality. But they have been taught not to see it that way and if you try to explain to them how their pity is the same as racism they immediately consider you one of the enemy.
Believe me, I tried it few times before giving up. :(

I recently took one of those "down memory lane" tours with a buddy of mine. At each school where we had been students we saw not a single all-White, or all-black table, and seemed like every fourth couple was a race-mix. It was ALWAYS a black guy with a White girl and never the other way around.
Backward negro culture is now becoming White culture as well. That is the essence of communism, to bring those of superior stock down to the level of the savage, making them just as easy to fool, and control.

Juthunge
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 05:31 PM
I'm fortunate in so far that I descend from a quite conservative family so there was never a "We're Germans and Germans are bad and evil" mentality instilled in me.
My grandmother also used to take me out into the woods and tell me about my great-grandfather who was a cavalry man on the eastern front in WWI.

Moreover I was quite calm as a child and never interested in Pokemon, Yugioh or playing Gameboy or similar pastimes which were widespread in my childhood. Being somewhat introverted probably also helped in not falling prey to anti-German(ic) conditioning later on.
That's probably why I became interested into reading and especially reading about history.
I've been always fascinated with Germanics and Celts, Romans and Greeks. When my friends and me were playing "war" as children I always styled as a Germanic, Celtic or German warrior or soldier because I simply couldn't imagine being anything else.
I think having two Turkish playmates in kindergarten was as close as I got to foreigners at that time.

When I started having history lessons in school and getting told about the Holocaust, German responsibility and that we should hate our identity for that basically every time I used to think "these evil Nazis killed 6 million Jews, surely that's outrageous...but only few Germans were actually involved and why should this bother me so much? People were murdered all the time in history but no one is bothering at all besides us.
Did all Jews get condemned for the involvment of Jewish scientists in building the first nuclear weapon for example? No they didn't. Germany has such a long and impressive history and that's only a small part." I hated Nazis (as in real Nationalsocialists not German patriots in general) at that time.

So I've never really struggled with having a preservationist mentality and I don't do now. Normally the opposite is the case and I'm wondering if people are blind and how they cannot see what's happening.
I haven't encountered that many mixed race couples in person in my life but whenever I do I ask myself how they can be attracted to non-Europeans.
Already objectively racial other's are plain ugly to me and I don't understand how a European could be even physically attracted by them.

I don't exactly know what I was trying to say with this post, I guess I was just speaking my mind.

Ralf
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 07:47 PM
Interesting to read from you young uns how effective the Jews war on Germanics really is, that they can teach a race to hate themselves, amazing.

Iam from a previous generation thankfully. When I was at school, even in south London, (how things have changed), we used to get films sponsored by cadburys of how chocolate was made, these films showed black people as being naked and uncivilised, they didnt even have bras so the womens breasts where like long tubes that swung around past thier stomach as they collected the coca beans.

The only thing I ever felt bad about wasnt my race, but the fact as a half German, brought up in England, the anti-German propogander that was even more in evidence back then, we literally where taught Germans where eveil monsters who used to gas jews and make lamp shades out of thier skin, things like that.
It was such a relief when I learnt this was just Jewish war propogander, and that the real monsters are the Jews.

Barreldriver
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 08:04 PM
I don't struggle anymore knowing that what I believe in is what I believe in, what I struggle with now is trying to make others understand where I come from, and anymore I'm giving up on that because one can only lead a horse to water not force it to drink.

The only time I could see myself struggling is during parts of high school but it was something I grew out of after realizing that I should not care what my opposition thinks of me. My thoughts are mine to have.

In fact my inability for the anti-Germanic sentiment to effect my current positions causes a lot of tension between me and a number of former professors/teachers and contemporary students, it got even to the point where I'd bring in books, articles, etc... to cite my stances just so I could say after the argument "at least I brought proofs to back up what I'm saying unlike you who just talks out of your ass to kiss up to the minorities who are attending your class" and that only went so far before I had to simply plug my ears and go "lalalalalala I'm not arguing with ya' anymore".

Astrid Runa
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 08:13 PM
I am struggling with it, yes.
As many of you may know, I have a sister who had two children with a black man. I do not believe that she was thinking things through properly. Either that or she was brainwashed by her husband.
I have heard a lot of people on this forum tell me that I should hate my Neice and Nephew, but I just can't. No matter what I do, I can't. Blood runs thicker than water and is not so easily disregarded.

I was raised in a Liberal household, though my Grandparents were slightly against Multi-Culturism. They don't agree with letting non-whites into our country.

I think my Liberal-side came out in Secondary School in Modern Studies and Religious Education, where we learned about Islam and had to read 13 lines from the Quran. We learned about EVERY religion apart from Pagan ones, which mildly pissed me off.

Given, there are times when I see people badmouthing people of another race and I just think "Isn't that wrong?".
I guess I'm mostly afraid for my Neice and Nephew, and I feel sorry for them. Sorry because they didn't ask to be born to a white Mother and black Father and afraid because I know that they will get Hell for it.

So yeah, I do struggle because of my up bringing. Old habits die hard.

Meister
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 09:53 PM
I was conflicted at one point but never completely brainwashed. One of the positives of multi society is you see that all the immigrant cultures (even some of the whites ones - Croat, Serb, Russian etc) remain proud of their heritage and stick together. Once you see that you realise that you have been fed a lie and that is when I started to become proud of my heritage and wanted to learn more about it.

As far as Anti German conditioning, I can now see that what happened to Germany after WW1 is still happening now as a result of WW2 and wouldn't be surprised if it leads to some sort of new struggle whether it be political, cultural or armed conflict.

As far as being outbred, I think more white people are having kids now, we were sucked in for a while and many women were putting off having children until their mid 30's etc but that is slowly changing. The problem with the stats they predict is it is all based on current trends, you can't be definite that this will happen as you don't know what might change.

History repeats itself.

Wittmann
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 10:23 PM
Well, I attended a local rural village school during my elementary school years and I canīt remember any indoctrination attempts. Quite the opposite, we learned much about our home region, our past and our culture during "Heimat- und Sachkunde"-lessons and our class teacher was a vibrant local patriot. :) He brought us volumes of poetry and regional sagas and he had a feeling to carry us children along. There was no word of immigration, holocaust, "guilt" or anything else. We sung the Bavarian anthem and learned the national hymn. Often we had lessons outside the classroom and school complex to learn more about our environment and our nature.

Later I attempted a secondary school in the town and there the futile indoctrination started, but not as much and strong as it seems nowadays.

Can I point out that I am extremely jealous of your early childood!? That must have been an amazing early experience, especially since it was a small German town. I grew up on an island near a big city, and the island was about 99.9% white, which was rather nice.

I can say though, I do not think I would be who I am today, if I didn't hate my childhood so much, I would lack the drive I have now.

Granraude
Friday, January 28th, 2011, 10:41 PM
I struggle a bit, yes. You get nasty looks just by saying that you love your own country here -_-

Untersberger
Saturday, January 29th, 2011, 12:07 AM
My heritage is my right.

I will always fight for my rights..

I have no struggle in this regard. It is natural and I am not intimidated and why should I be?

I personally will never subscribe to political correctness as enforced by corrupt politicians via their western media propaganda machine whom are behind the 'death of the west' as Pat Buchanan has rightly described the downfall of our western society..

Do you really get intimidated if some halfwit calls you a racist as a usual cheap shot to get their way..?

More and more of us are indeed actually waking up each and every day to this PC bollox.. If some ethnic calls you a racist for whatever lame excuse just tell them absolutely direct to look hard in front of their own mirror..

We Move Forward - Not Backward..

OUR HERITAGE - OUR JOY : )

Wychaert
Saturday, January 29th, 2011, 12:21 AM
I dont.
Sure, some people think that I'm a rascist or even a nazi when I say that I love my country or the Germanic race.
I get stupid questions like; 'oh you vote for the PVV then?'. And when I explain that I will never vote for such a party, they look even more stupid.

The Aesthete
Saturday, January 29th, 2011, 07:52 AM
It is easier not to struggle with it, especially when one is conditioned from a young age.

Logically and objectively looking at the situation it is terribly inequitable, our racial and cultural identities are being demolished and if one speaks out they are labeled a racist.

Frostmane
Saturday, January 29th, 2011, 08:11 AM
I dont.
Sure, some people think that I'm a rascist or even a nazi when I say that I love my country or the Germanic race.
I get stupid questions like; 'oh you vote for the PVV then?'. And when I explain that I will never vote for such a party, they look even more stupid.


Ha! That sounds extremely familiar.

For instance I have a wooden germanic rune attached to a leather string around my neck at almost all times.
Often people ask me ''What is that/does it mean'' (figures kids in a germanic country wouldn't know that..) When I tell them it's a germanic rune they either say ''A what?'' Or ''oh, you're one of those kinds, you're a racist/vote for the PVV then?''

For those who don't know PVV is a dutch political party with ''outspoken'' idea's on islam and immigration.

Caledonian
Saturday, January 29th, 2011, 08:54 AM
I remember being kicked out of highschool on many occasions for refusing to do anything for Martin Luther King day or hispanic appreciation month when it concerned mandatory school assignments.

I would always defend my beliefs in class very passionately in front of everybody in complete defiance where the black teacher of the highschool would have me go see the black principal to which each case of arguing there was no winning for my side at all in the debate.

[My arguement was that I refused to celebrate months that perpetuated white guilt mental complexes that showed only scorn and demonization for my own people.]

I believe I was suspended a total of five times for my refusal in highschool for my small individual form of activism on my part.

[Always by the same black teacher and black principal where both accused me of being a defiant intolerable racist.]

I saw people discussing going to school growing up here in this thread where I couldn't resist but to share that.

The lesson learned here is that yes it is tough to go against anti-Germanic conditioning but if you have nothing but pride and fondness for your culture you will thrive on nonetheless.

SpearBrave
Saturday, January 29th, 2011, 09:59 AM
No I did not struggle with any anti-Germanic conditioning I took it for what it is just propaganda. The whole idea of being anti-Germanic is to me like being self destructive just does not work into my thought patterns.

I do remember some things from my middle school days, one was a film about Germany and WWII it was so ridiculous that it was funny. The movie started out comparing average Germans with average Americans. It stated how similar both countries were, then it switched to showing the whole propaganda about the concentration camps. It was so false that almost everyone in the class knew it was fake and just propaganda.

It even went to state the Germans used the ashes of the jews for growing cabbages. :D

I have since tried to find a copy of this movie, it was so ridiculous that it was even funny, almost a spoof. I think the same people who made it must have made the movie "refer madness" if any of you ever seen that.

Huginn ok Muninn
Saturday, January 29th, 2011, 07:13 PM
It seems those of us who have struggled most are those who had no support for our identities within our families. As all children seem to seek out an identity, it is absolutely imperative that you instill this in your children. Remain silent and don't be surprised when all of a sudden they become wiggers.

My experience in school was somewhat like Ronan's, and at that point it seemed we were taught nothing in an overtly anti-Germanic way. We were seeing all the jewish holocaust propaganda on TV though, so we got that part of it. Living in the modern world is a different matter. Today everyone, child or adult feels the pressure. It's a chore, a daily struggle. I think the best we can do is realize that each time we hear or see something which is anti-Germanic, we must think of it as someone shooting a little blond child in the head. It really is in essence the same thing. Let it fill you with the self-righteous rage it deserves and fight back. If it is one of your own propagating this crap and they call you a racist, shoot back at them with equal or greater savagery, "well, I'd rather be a racist than a TRAITOR," because that's what they are, really. If it's a friend just doing it in jest, take it as an opportunity to enlighten them that that is what they are doing. It's enough to make people realize that there is a concerted effort against us without filling them up with conspiracy theories. Just let people know you aren't a sheep, and they don't have to be one either.

When nations are destroyed, as our enemies are doing, they can't help but destroy civilization in the process. It is happening. At some level, we have regressed to a Hobbesian state of nature, with a war of all against all. You can't fight human nature, though, and we are by nature tribal. We will either find our tribe or die in the wilderness.

Patrioten
Saturday, January 29th, 2011, 07:26 PM
Being a reader of history books, news papers and consumer of other sources of information since a young age allowed me to question the supposedly self-evident truths of the left. History sets the presence in a context. It gives you an understanding of the processes and developments that have brought us to where we are now, and you come to realize that what is isn't so by a mere matter of fact.

It also gives you a growing understanding of distant places, ideas and people. Points of reference and comparison. You come to realize that what is being presented to you as self-evident truths in your own little cocoon of reality in actuality amounts to little more than mere politics, ideology and subjective claims of moral superiority.

One learns that the reason why this facade is allowed to go on is the unnatural absence of alternative sources of authoratative judgements on these issues. By not acknowledging the authority of the left, on the basis of this understanding, it becomes a simple task to dismiss their attempts to sell propaganda as gospel, and be steadfast in ones commitment to those views that one agrees with regardless of their local popularity.

By the time I was being subjected to all out propaganda from different sources I was well aware of how the game was set up. They were reading from a script which I had already read in advance and I wasn't convinced. I knew that things could be different, that things were different elsewhere and that I would like for things to be this way instead of how they were here and now.

Jonathan Eells
Thursday, February 3rd, 2011, 05:37 PM
I'll leave people who hate themselves for being Germanic for somebody else to deal with. But I am interested in the current round of economic hysteria that's sweeping the world - and they are hysterics. I notice that most financial journos refer to the German economy - in passing, usually - as being remarkably well thought out and strong, with sound fiscal policies that (nonetheless) would be too painful for the weaker economies to adopt.

So... the Germans seem to know what they're doing. Pretty soon most everyone will come around.