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Wulfram
Monday, December 27th, 2010, 05:45 PM
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Is this a Germanic symbol?
Ronnie James Dio is supposed to have invented it.
Dio said: "Its not the devil sign, like were here with the devil. Its an Italian thing I got from my grandmother."

Here we see it described as one of the four signs of power:

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/signs.jpg

It also is used as a hand sign for "love".

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/istockphoto_3815295-i-love-you-hand-sign.jpg

But, notice that the thumb is extended, while the horn sign is made with the thumb resting on the middle and ring fingers.

The jewish Anton lavey and his circle were using it in the 1960s long before it became synonymous with metal.
Here is the 1968 album by Coven 'Witchcraft Destroys Minds and Reaps Souls'.

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/CBack.jpg

Before Coven put out their first album they were a house band at lavey's "satanic" gatherings.
Their lead singer, Jinx Dawson: "...began and ended each Coven concert with the sign of the horns, being the first to introduce this hand sign into rock pop culture."

In more recent times this hand sign, which is officially known as "corna", is no longer popular among just metal fans but by bubble-gum pop celebs as well.

Here are some famous non-metal celebrities using the sign:

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/59252.jpghttp://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/73949.jpg

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/66611.jpghttp://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/70s_show.jpg

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/484px-Quentin_Tarantino_horned_hands.jpg

Then we have this:

:D
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/ozzfest2.jpg

If it is now popular among pop-teen idols then shouldn't this negate its formerly exclusive "metal" status? Should not another sign be invented?

In this present world we live in I am always immediately suspicious of anything that has become popular for millions.
My concern is not because of its "evil" association but because of its faddishness, and there almost always is a sinister purpose behind every trend.
Exactly why does Fergie use it? Avril Lavigne?

The celebrities above are using the sign not because it means "love" but because it is trendily "wicked".
I go to school with a guy who is heavily into black metal. One day I saw him flashing the horns and I asked him:

Me: "Do you use the devil-horn sign because Justin Beiber does it?"
Him: "What?!!!"

When I pulled up the same images from above and showed him he was quite stunned, but finally said "posers".
But would that not also make him one as well?

This hand sign can be used in other ways that have nothing at all to do with horns.
Apparently it is also found in the practice of yoga:

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/Pushan-Mudra.jpg

In Texas the sign is used as a show of support for the University of Texas sports team.
You flash the sign at games and yell out "Hook-em horns!"
The following images show George Bush and Laura using them, to the right is Matthew Mcconaughey.

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff355/williamofwaco/hookemhorns.jpg

Throughout his entire trip to Norway George flashed the 'Hook-em horns!' sign at one crowd after another, bewildering thousands of Norwegians who associate the sign as the devils horns. He never once bothered to explain that it has to do with a college in Texas that he actually never attended!

Ultimately what is the true purpose of this sign in relation to Germanics, especially since it has been popularized among people who are definitely anti-Germanic?

Granraude
Monday, December 27th, 2010, 06:04 PM
I've always heard that it is supposed to ward off the "evil eye", like Dio says.

Alot of wiggers use the sign as well, which I don't like =P

Elessar
Monday, December 27th, 2010, 06:09 PM
I think because it's just trendy. People think that because the metal "fringe" do it, they'll be cool too. I don't think it belongs to any ethnicity either. That would be to say the middle finger gesture is solely English because of its mythic origins during the 100 Years War.

But when I think devil horns I think
http://www.metal-rules.com/zine/images/stories/FHH/08-feb/gaahl-1.jpg
and
http://ernestoaguilar.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/21842331-21842334-slarge.jpg

Not Miley Cyrus or George Bush...
There are those who say the public figures who do it are Illuminati or Freemason or something of the like.
Whether or not it has malevolent intents I don't know, nor do I think we'll ever know.
So why not use it in its correct manner
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/209/c/3/c3d5a766cd929a0e2ab67cc38fe210e8.jpg
at a metal concert

Ocko
Monday, December 27th, 2010, 10:17 PM
If it means the horned god it might be indeed very very old. It is shown on a rock in upper Italy and is about 36,000 years old.

The celtic God Cernunnos is usually shown with horns, whether there are related hand signs is unknown to me.

the modern anti-germanic use is the devil sign, it is used against christian germanic people as a sign of opposing their world views and favor 'bad' behaviour as thing of defiance.

Italians have still all kinds of funny gestures as they still gesticulate a lot during conversations. Seems to be more in there culture than in others.

Astrid Runa
Monday, December 27th, 2010, 10:41 PM
I always throw the horns when I think something is awesome.
I do it a lot in my photo's, too. Hell, I've done it for years, long before Beiber or Fergie ever did it.
To me, the horns mean "rock on!", something that my Dad did when he was my age, or that something is too epic to describe with words.
I do view it as something that metalheads do, but sadly, the non-metalheads have picked it up and stolen it from us.

Ralf
Monday, December 27th, 2010, 11:51 PM
The person that wrote the signs of the sign language for the deaf was an occultist, it is said that she chose the sign of the Devil for the sign of "I love you" so she could get people to say they Love the Devil.

Wulfram
Tuesday, December 28th, 2010, 12:01 AM
The person that wrote the signs of the sign language for the deaf was an occultist, it is said that she chose the sign of the Devil for the sign of "I love you" so she could get people to say they Love the Devil.

Wow. Would you have a source for that?

Ralf
Tuesday, December 28th, 2010, 12:40 AM
Wow. Would you have a source for that?

I would have had, until I re-formatted my computer which I do from time to time, when it gets a bit slow, so you would have to do the same thing I would to refind it, maybe type occultist deaf sign for Love in google or something.
I read it once so am not interested enough to re-research it, as with all things on the net, and in history books for that matter, I cannot guarantee if its true or not.

Thusnelda
Tuesday, December 28th, 2010, 01:27 AM
I don´t use the "devil horns" but I think they are fine as long as it´s used by metalheads in a not really serious way. ;)

I always throw the horns when I think something is awesome.
Well, in former times, the sign for something that is awesome was a little bit different yet not less stylish...:D Fan culture in the 40ies:

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4599/girlsswoonhitler.jpg

flâneur
Tuesday, December 28th, 2010, 09:20 AM
When you are trying to impress children its a good way to make a rabbits head with the reflection on a wall.

Other than that i think its an Italian thing.
They use it to ward of bad luck and also as an insult against someone.

Here a mafia killer has his left hand making the sign as he actually pulls the trigger,probably to ward off bad luck.(stop the vid at 1:09)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGMat6zJg38


The insult being that the victim is being cuckholded by his/her spouse therefore weak in some way. "cornuto" is the term used,meaning that your spouse has planted horns on you.(dont ask me what that means)

Here is a scene from an Italian "on the road" film from the sixties where the driver is actually insulting the person behind him using the sign.(2:22)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43qsRNGDbFY

I havent seen it used anywhere else in the world....except by black metal nerds of course.
Not even at the races by the tictac men....although the hand sign that skydivers and extreme sports people use with their outstretched little finger and thumb to express how "rad" they are is actually used at the horse races by tictac men to denote the number seven.

ansuz crowning
Sunday, January 2nd, 2011, 05:22 AM
Dio's grandmother was supposedly "Strega" (italian witchcraft), and as was said in this threaad already, it was supposed to ward off the evil eye. I have seen pendants of these "Devil horns" and other variations of the warding hand. Whether they were made after this knowledge became public is unknown to me