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Wulfram
Friday, December 24th, 2010, 11:55 AM
Do you have any stories similar to the one below you would like to share?


Hammer-wielding Yorkers helped to nail the Kaiser's noggin'.

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The Little Courthouse above, a replica of the first York County Court House, stands on York's Centre Square during World War I. The courthouse served as a center for war bond sales and promoted the bonds in a way that today might be considered politically incorrect. An effigy of Kaiser Wilhelm II is seen in the left foreground. For a small sum, donors could drive nails into the German leader's head.

The York Daily Record/Sunday News' Christmas Day editorial (see below) touted some of York County's long overlooked accomplishments during World War I.

The editorial touched on one of those achievements: the ability of the heavily German York County to rally for American involvement even though we were fighting against Germans. It was brother against brother... .

One resident learned that his two sons, fighting on the German side, had been killed in fighting. And another learned that his borther earned Kaiser Wilhelm's Iron Cross for bravery.

Still, some contended that German-American communities couldn't be trusted.

In my book, "In the thick of the fight," I wrote that Mayor E.S. Hugentugler bristled at such an anti-American suggestion and set to work to position the community behind the war.

He banned anti-war meetings, organized anti-spy groups, assigned guard to county industrial plants and prosecuted distributors of anti-war literature.

At the same time, he called for York residents to back a loyalty pledge showing support for the war. Three-quarters of city men eligible to vote signed the pledge.

But its most public move, the community set up a wooden carving of the kaiser's helmeted dome in York's main square and put a 10-cent-a-nail price on it. Donors lifted a hammer with a read, white and blue handle to drive the spikes into the German emperor's head. At one point, eight pouds of nails protruded from the wooden figure's noggin.

"This is one of the many hammers in the land that is helping to nail kaiserism," The York Dispatch reported.

Wulfram
Friday, December 24th, 2010, 12:21 PM
The following incident was yet another case of Germans threatening Germans:


“Get the Rope!” Anti-German Violence in World War I-era Wisconsin

In the early 20th century, German Americans were the nation’s largest immigrant group. Although they were regarded as a model of successful assimilation, they faced vicious—and sometimes violent—attacks on their loyalty when the United States went to war against Germany in 1917. The most notorious incident was the lynching of German-born Robert Prager in Colinsville, Illinois, in April 1918. Other incidents stopped just short of murder. In a statement made on October 22, 1918, John Deml, a farmer in Outagamie County, a heavily German and Scandinavian area of Wisconsin, described the nativist mob that had visited him two days earlier. Suspected of not strongly enough supporting the war effort, he was narrowly saved from lynching.

A Statement made by John Deml of Outagamie County, Wisconsin, at Madison, Wisconsin, Tuesday, October 22, 1918.

About half-past twelve (continuing for more than an hour) Sunday morning October 20th, my wife awaked me, saying, that there were a large number of men on the front porch, pounding and rapping on the door, besides talking in a loud tone of voice. I was upstairs; then I came downstairs and went to the front door, where they were, and I asked them, who was there! Several answered at once, “The Council of Defense.” I then asked them, “What do you want?” and they replied, “We want you to sign up.” I replied, “I have done my share.”And they asked me when, and I replied, “I did my share in the spring.”(That is, I meant to say I had done my share in the third loan, when I subscribed for $450 in bonds.) To make it plain, on the 28th of September, at the opening of the fourth drive, I was notified by letter that my bond assessment would be $800. When Henry Baumann came to see me, I told him I could not possibly take $500 now but would take some, meaning a substantial amount, that is all I could afford; and he replied, “My orders are you must take $500 or nothing.”

After I had replied that I had done my share in the spring, they demanded that I open the door and let them in. I told them I didn’t have to open the door; then they undertook to force the door open, and went so far as to tear the screen door open; then they threatened to break down the door, and I said, “Come on then, boys.” Then they appeared to be planning, and while they were doing that, I took the time to put my shoes on. By that time they were at the kitchen door, and they made a demand that I let them in through that door; then I went to the kitchen door and opened it and found a crowd of men (much larger than I expected) around the door, and then reaching out two by two around towards the front of the house. I left the door and walked to the front porch to see if they had done any painting (as they had previously painted a neighbor’s mail-box); I walked to the road to see if they had painted my mail-box. And then I turned around to return to the house when they all at one time closed in on me like a vise; some grabbing my fingers or wrist, others my legs, and several of them were shouting, holding a paper before me, “Sign up.” I said, “I will not sign up at this time of night.” Then a man shouted, “Get the rope!” The first I knew was when the rope was about my neck and around my body under my arms. Someone then gave a sharp jerk at the rope and forced me to my knees and hands; at the same time some of them jumped on my back, and while bent over someone struck me in the face, making me bleed; then a man (whom I recognized) said, “Boys, you are going to far”; and then, as they got me away from them a little, I heard a man say, “You can’t scare him.” I answered,“I am not afraid of the entire city of Appleton.” Then a man (whom I knew) got me to one side, and he said, “Let’s go into the house and talk between ourselves.” Then two men (whom I knew) went with me into the house, and we sat or stood around the table, and they still demanded that I sign up. I said, “I will not sign up for any man after being abused like this.” Then a man (whom I knew) told me I would have to go with them, or, if I didn’t go with them, would have to come to town that Sunday morning at 10 o’clock to see Mr. Keller. I told them that I would be there; they left; as they left, I noticed, and so did my family and neighbors, that they rode away in seven automobiles. I did not go to see Mr. Keller. Signed, JOHN DEML.

Wulfram
Friday, December 24th, 2010, 12:32 PM
As a result of the following actions hundreds of old recipes were lost:


America's entry into World War I made Prohibition seem patriotic since many breweries were owned by German Americans. The Anti-Saloon League, urged the federal government to investigate "a number of breweries around the country which are owned in part by alien enemies." In December 1917, Congress passed the 18th Amendment. A month later, President Woodrow Wilson instituted partial prohibition to conserve grain for the war effort. Beer was limited to 2.75 percent alcohol content and production was held to 70 percent of the previous year's production. In September, the president issued a ban on the wartime production of beer.

National Prohibition was defended as a war measure. The amendment's proponents argued that grain should be made into bread for fighting men and not for making liquor. Anti-German sentiment aided Prohibition's approval. The Anti-Saloon League called Milwaukee's brewers "the worst of all our German enemies," and dubbed their beer "Kaiser brew."

wittwer
Monday, December 27th, 2010, 10:38 PM
Prior to WWI there was close relationship between Germany and America as represented by the Bund, but after their sons and nephews started showing up in the trenches and body bags to the rear, the friendly relationship came to a quick end and the Bund collapsed. So much for friendly relations. Then came the rise of Nazism which terrified many German-Americans, especially after the U.S. Government began interring Japanese-Americans in the camps. My Grandmother owned a copy of "Mein Kampf" who took it out and burned it in 1941 because she was afraid that if the FBI caught her with it, it was interrogation and the camps for her...

In fact, my mother's Uncle Hagedorn, was a Major in the OSS North America, whose sole responsibility was keeping tabs on the Head of Gestapo Operations and various other operators and operations in North America during the War. He did his graduate work under this guy in German Literature at OSU and who was also the head of the Literature Department there. He was arrested in 1944 down in Florida waiting for a U-boat to pick him up after he realized his cover had been blown for years. :D And I won't mention other German Americans who died or were wounded all over Europe while trying to contain and destroy the Third Reich, some family members included.

But the Wars and hostilities are long over and past, time to reestablish and maintain friendly relations... :thumbup

Zimobog
Tuesday, December 28th, 2010, 02:31 AM
I am waiting to see if some anti-Jihadi Arabs will start dragging their fellows out of bed and threating them with harm unless they support the "war on terror". Not bloody likely.:D

Could it be that the continental Germans and their American born off-spring prefer to "play by the rules" and go along with societal and political trends rather than rebel... or is it that Germans and other Germanic branches hate a tyrant?

During WWII, the US military was almost 1/4 German. Even my own grandpa.

Huginn ok Muninn
Tuesday, December 28th, 2010, 03:43 AM
This is he who spun the propaganda web that spawned this evil...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

Never forget what utter infamy came from this jew.

MCP3
Tuesday, December 28th, 2010, 04:38 AM
Prior to WWI there was close relationship between Germany and America as represented by the Bund, but after their sons and nephews started showing up in the trenches and body bags to the rear, the friendly relationship came to a quick end and the Bund collapsed. So much for friendly relations. Then came the rise of Nazism which terrified many German-Americans, especially after the U.S. Government began interring Japanese-Americans in the camps. My Grandmother owned a copy of "Mein Kampf" who took it out and burned it in 1941 because she was afraid that if the FBI caught her with it, it was interrogation and the camps for her...



By 1941 Roosevelt and Hitler had practically vanquished their domestic opposition. We always hear how Hitler did it, but FDR too was pretty successful by wiping out anything/anyone remotely antisemitic, "neutralist", pro-Hitler and the North American National-Socialists ("5th column of Hitler"). Father McCoughlin's Social-Justice-movement marginalized (Roosevelt banned his broadcasts in October 1939, and then ordered the US Postal Office to "revoke his mailing privilege"), and finnally the priest gave up in December 1941 when the America First Comitee (Charles Lindbergh) was dissoluted.

He could still print his editorials without censorship in his own newspaper, Social Justice. However, the Roosevelt Administration stepped in again, this time revoking his mailing privilegesand making it impossible for Coughlin to deliver the papers to his readers. He had the right to publish whatever he wanted, but not the right to use the United States Post Office Department to deliver it
So much for the myth of the 1st amendment.

The German-American Bund was forbidden in by the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC) in December 1941. It's chairman Fritz Kuhn prosecuted and imprisoned already in 1939 (the infamous "Tax evasion and embezzlement of funds", applied against DD 60 years later as well).
The "Mussolini of Lousiana" Governor Long had been shot already in 1935, Charles Lindbergh, Senator Taft and many others slandered as "Nazi-agents" or "apologists for Hitler" and so forth, all their activities came to end in December 1941.

The result of 12 years Roosevelt clearly is the National-Security State for the US next to all other known events and effects including 60+ million deaths, and as a result we have the world we live in today.

wittwer
Tuesday, December 28th, 2010, 02:38 PM
Lest we forget... FDR descended from a long established Dutch Family in New York. A Germanic by any stripe... ;)

MCP3
Tuesday, December 28th, 2010, 10:07 PM
Lest we forget... FDR descended from a long established Dutch Family in New York. A Germanic by any stripe... ;)

Sure. His mother Sara-Ann (nee Delano) was from a Huguenot family, just to mention it.;)

His fathers ancestors came as Calvinists (Dutch-Reformed) when the Netherlands were still part of the Holy Roman Empire (thus: German Reich) and at one time, i never was able to find out exactly when, the Roosevelt family converted to the Church of England (Episcopalian). I think that happened somewhere in the 18th century and surely out of opportunism, after New Amsterdam was renamed to New York. Two significant private habits of former Wall Street lawyer (of Carter, Ledyard & Milburn) Franklin D. Roosevelt that i always found interesting.

1. His chain smoking habit. FDR needed at average 60 pieces per day.
2. Unlike most Americans he was fluent in foreign languages: French and German. This enabled him later to listen to Hitler speeches live on the radio in the Oval Office without translator, and while making notes, already dictating his official statements to what Hitler said.
3.His marriage to his cousin Eleanor Roosevelt (nee Roosevelt) which eventually turned into his double life. Most biographers agree that FDR really liked only two women in his life: His mother Sara and Lucy Mercer.

Most biographers also agree that the Roosevelt couple had no intimacy after 1920, along with different bedrooms. Thus FDR kept his marriage for image and career reasons going while sharing bed only with Lucy Mercer, his mistress. Lucy was also the woman who was at Roosevelt's death bed on April 12, 1945.


Roosevelt had affairs outside his marriage, including one with Eleanor's social secretary Lucy Mercer which began soon after she was hired in early 1914. In September 1918, Eleanor found letters revealing the affair in Roosevelt's luggage, when he returned from World War I. According to the Roosevelt family, Eleanor offered Franklin a divorce so that he could be with the woman he loved, but Lucy, being Catholic, could not bring herself to marry a divorced man with five children. According to FDR's biographer Jean Edward Smith it is generally accepted that Eleanor indeed offered "to give Franklin his freedom."[15] However, they reconciled after a fashion with the informal mediation of Roosevelt's adviser Louis McHenry Howe, and FDR promised never to see Lucy again. His mother Sara also intervened, and told Franklin that if he divorced his wife, he would bring scandal upon the family, and she "would not give him another dollar."
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Lucy was even given the code name "Mrs. Johnson" by the Secret Service.[18] Indeed, Lucy was with FDR on the day he died

Eleanor of course knew all this, but she kept the marriage going and even aided FDR's career, despite her husband sleeping with another woman.

I think this spicy detail is very telling about the spiritual life and the hypocrisy of parts of the East Coast Establishment.

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Schattenjäger
Tuesday, December 28th, 2010, 11:30 PM
Sure. His mother Sara-Ann (nee Delano) was from a Huguenot family, just to mention it.

His fathers ancestors came as Calvinists (Dutch-Reformed) when the Netherlands were still part of the Holy Roman Empire (thus: German Reich) and at one time, i never was able to find out exactly when, the Roosevelt family converted to the Church of England (Episcopalian). I think that happened somewhere in the 18th century and surely out of opportunism, after New Amsterdam was renamed to New York. Two significant private habits of former Wall Street lawyer (of Carter, Ledyard & Milburn) Franklin D. Roosevelt that i always found interesting.

People why you keep pulling this bullshit about Roosevelt. Delano is a sephardic surname and everyone knows, that jews were occassionally converting in XVIIth century to protestantism to cover themselves. Rooselvelt was a sephardic jew and that's why he wanted to destroy Hitler so much, Third Reich jewry expert Alexander von Leers in 1930s revealed truth about Roosevelt, and other rats in american establishment already!

Simply as that, in totally juden-overrun Poland (the most jew-firendly country in history), jewosh persons were converting to catholicism and still retaining their secret bloodlines. In Hungary the same. The jews posing as aristocrats, hugenots, martian tourists and even kkk members is one of their oldest tricks!

SwampYgg
Wednesday, December 29th, 2010, 01:21 PM
My uncle in high school had a polish woman as teacher.And she constantly tried to sabotage any academic effort he put forth.Her name was Ms Woloski or something along those lines.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Sunday, June 3rd, 2018, 08:24 AM
Boo-freaking-hoo. What about the Revolution, War of 1812 and Civil War? "Fifty-four Forty or Fight?" How about the Trent Affair? The Hawaiian Revolution? So many instances of Angle on Angle conflict existed to contrast with the poor little German "majority", who blame everything on the Jew and whine that we aren't sensitive enough to their imagined plights of universal import. Those who believe in and practice social Darwinism have no right to blame anybody but themselves when they lose.

J.Yaxley
Tuesday, November 13th, 2018, 02:41 AM
I once interviewed a WWII vet for a historical project. The man had a Scandinavian surname and told me he was of Norse & German descent. Anyways, he and his friend started off talking about normal military topics and then switched to bragging about doing utterly humiliating and brutal things to Germans after WWII had ended (he was a military policeman). Including:

>Forcing German women to perform sexual favors for food.
>Beating German men and chasing them around for sport.

What was disturbing was that this man was obviously convinced there was nothing wrong with this behavior and you could tell he enjoyed it. And he was also very upfront about being part-German.

J.Yaxley
Tuesday, November 13th, 2018, 02:50 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if some German-Americans of that era were extra harsh to the Germans as a way to prove that they weren't 'one of the bad ones.'

Huginn ok Muninn
Tuesday, November 13th, 2018, 03:33 AM
OY VEY! It's antisemitic for goyim to care for their own blood!
They believe in one "ISM," and you believe in a different "ISM."
That's all that matters!
NOW SHUT UP AND KILL EACH OTHER!!

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velvet
Tuesday, November 13th, 2018, 06:21 AM
What was disturbing was that this man was obviously convinced there was nothing wrong with this behavior and you could tell he enjoyed it. And he was also very upfront about being part-German.

That's one of Germans' greatest weakness. We assimilate to a point where descent and heritage dont matter anymore.


I wouldn't be surprised if some German-Americans of that era were extra harsh to the Germans as a way to prove that they weren't 'one of the bad ones.'

Yes and no. It's "absolute loyalty". That he's an American (no qualifier) he had already "proven" to get into the army in the first place, and then the German does his job - unfortunately, whatever it might be.

The days of French occupied Rhineland going to war against Prussia and suddenly the Germans in the French army turn around and go after the French instead are long over.

Kin-loyalty grew weaker ever since the Roman empire, the nationalist rebirth in the 19th and 20th century was long overdue, and the racial worship teached by NS would have been the conclusion of that process, a conscious awakening, but as Himmler rightly understood, it would have taken at least two generations to really manifest. This of course never happened, and so the faith in the German people died with Hitler. If you ever wondered why next to nothing of NS was left in post-war Germany, there it is. And since the replacement "wasnt so bad" (see above, assimilation), it was more or less silently agreed upon that no one talks about it anymore.

Terminus
Tuesday, November 13th, 2018, 07:07 AM
Kin-loyalty grew weaker ever since the Roman empire, Only in the regions dominated by the Center Party.


the nationalist rebirth in the 19th and 20th century was long overdue, and the racial worship teached by NS would have been the conclusion of that process, a conscious awakening, but as Himmler rightly understood, it would have taken at least two generations to really manifest.If the Hitler-Bormann diktate hasn't been too tampered with, then Hitler had also asserted that he had not enough time to raise the German youth in racial consciousness.


This of course never happened, and so the faith in the German people died with Hitler. If you ever wondered why next to nothing of NS was left in post-war Germany, there it is.NS was not based on personality alone. Hitler was just a receiver. Carl Jung wasn't precise about , but he made some good points. NS obviously did not suffer the same fate as Atenism.


If their foundation is due only to the work of a strong personality or a leader who is man of genius, they will, in many cases, break up as soon the founder disappears; because, though great, he stood alone, but even after centuries the danger inherent in these separatist instincts I have spoken of, is not always completely overcome.
This is the case with Fascism. Mussolini was the only one keeping it afloat. Today it's just an umbrella term to sweep dissidents and political enemies under, a meaningless word. The fact that even Goebbels derided fascism as a superficial thing speaks volumes.


The significance of a political philosopher does not depend on the practical success of the plans he lays down but rather on their absolute truth and the influence they exert on the progress of mankind.
This is the case with NS. The Allies actually feared that Hitler's death would have been a catalyst for further German action and that he would pose a greater threat in death than in life.

Let me assure you that I am not a blindly devoted NS fanatic (like Savitri Devi). I have recognized that devotion absolutized by emotion can pave the way for all manner of atrocities and crimes. Rather, I made it a chief focus of my inquiry to ascertain whether Hitler's faith in the German people was misplaced and if his belief in a mission was a total delusion.

"Thank God the overwhelming mass of the German Volk has a finely attuned sense for who counts himself among the Volk and who distances himself from it."
– To Otto Wagener

"Thank God, the German Volk, as I have come to know it in its mass of different individuals, is strong and thoroughly healthy."
– November 8, 1943 speech

Up until the moment of his death, he considered the Germans to be thoroughly healthy and sound, pointing out how the Democratic/State Party was losing ground to the Marxists and had failed to secure the support of the real victims of the Weimar regime and 1918 revolution. The key point is that the Germans have not lost their contact with Nature and largely have their instinct for life intact. They are the most chthonic inhabitants of planet Earth. It's not for nothing that Hitler was compared with (and with whom he identified with) the Greek mythical figure Antaios.

That is why today they are the foremost target of immigration policies. If I were a Jew, I would recognize them as the peak of Western culture (and not merely Western civilization) and would single them out as the biggest threat on the planet. At present, most nationalists are in it for themselves, for their own nation's egotistic interests. Publicly they speak on the behalf of Germany, but go behind their backs and label them as "cucks", deride them as defeated "pussies", etc. Some even believe that it will be America or Russia which instead takes up the struggle against Jewry. They demonstrate they don't understand how nature's law of struggle works. They have completely missed Hitler's core teaching of a world minority.

They should realize that it doesn't matter how many Aryan states go under, as long as one of them survives to assume the mantle over the world's resources and keep the idealistic flames of the afterlife conception lit. The most competent and healthy nations should be prioritized. Nature does not concern herself with individual nations, but with the whole.

America comes off as a completely lost cause to me. It is at a severe monumental disadvantage in this fight against Jewry. It has a lack of almost every prerequisite for culture. Even if it did somehow manage to recover it's liberty, what would it become? The splitting mirror image. We can certainly expect the Alt-Right to become a second Jewry if they succeed in usurping American Jewry. Recall Nietzsche's maxim about becoming the enemy you fight. Hence, I do not mind if America must be sacrificed for the greater good. I do not consider it my home. It's why I identify as rootless and have never once identified with NS or nationalism, despite speaking up for it.

Uwe Jens Lornsen
Tuesday, November 13th, 2018, 09:38 AM
Several points I don't understand in your text :

1.) What speaks "volumes" : The rising Moon takes on growth and volume ...
How much sentences would such "volume" of Goebbels have ?

2.) Where should have come the logistics , that would have supportet further German action after Hitler's death ?
Was a new wonder weapon made of thin air in the making ?

3.) How about Hitler being an ordinary politicians , who sold words , who he guessed , the audience
would like to hear ?

Today , there are queues in the early morning hours before Doctors's offices in Germany ,
indicating , that the unhealthy Germans survived the Second World War , and most of the best
genetics were wiped out .

4.) What is the "core teaching of a world minority" ?

5.) What are Aryan states ? Iran , Indo-India , Tibet , Nepal ?

6.) What is Jewry ?



The fact that even Goebbels derided fascism as a superficial thing speaks volumes.

This is the case with NS. The Allies actually feared that Hitler's death would have been a catalyst for further German action and that he would pose a greater threat in death than in life.

"Thank God, the German Volk, as I have come to know it in its mass of different individuals, is strong and thoroughly healthy."
– November 8, 1943 speech

Up until the moment of his death, he considered the Germans to be thoroughly healthy and sound, ...

They have completely missed Hitler's core teaching of a world minority.

They should realize that it doesn't matter how many Aryan states go under, ...

America comes off as a completely lost cause to me. It is at a severe monumental disadvantage in this fight against Jewry.

Terminus
Tuesday, November 13th, 2018, 08:25 PM
Several points I don't understand in your text :

1.) What speaks "volumes" : The rising Moon takes on growth and volume ...
How much sentences would such "volume" of Goebbels have ?

2.) Where should have come the logistics , that would have supportet further German action after Hitler's death ?
Was a new wonder weapon made of thin air in the making ?

3.) How about Hitler being an ordinary politicians , who sold words , who he guessed , the audience
would like to hear ?

Today , there are queues in the early morning hours before Doctors's offices in Germany ,
indicating , that the unhealthy Germans survived the Second World War , and most of the best
genetics were wiped out .

4.) What is the "core teaching of a world minority" ?

5.) What are Aryan states ? Iran , Indo-India , Tibet , Nepal ?

6.) What is Jewry ?1. In the context of his denunciation of fascism and in the context of his assessment of NS Germany's defeat, he reiterates notions found directly in Mein Kampf. He was a diehard loyalist just like Martin Bormann, which makes him a reliable source for everything NS-related.

2. True enough, logistics can play a role, i.e. overwhelming numbers, technological marvels. But there are historical examples of leaders winning against the odds. Is not Constantine an example from Christendom? Modern man overlooks the potential of willpower, conviction, boldness and daring, decisiveness, fighting spirit. That was the mistake of Oswald Spengler who wrote with a view to Germany's downfall.

According to Riefenstahl, by November 1944, most Germans no longer believed in the rumors about wonder weapons. They were, however, very concerned about the Morgenthau Plan.

3. It was reported by even Nizkor (holocaust apologist site) that it was not what Hitler said that interested Germans (they didn't understand most of it. Riefenstahl was even a friend with the famous Jewish journalist Manfred George and she shunned anti-Semitism), but the way he said it and the way he summarized his ideas. My sources for this include Traudl Junge and Gerda Bormann, I'm sure there's more out there.

Besides, an ordinary politician would have resorted to a script, without which they would be easily caught unaware, paralyzed in the spotlight. I know of at least one instance where this happened to president FDR. Prime minister Churchill shared his oratorical secrets with the Duchess of Windsor and it involved flashcards (like the ones used in schools). A modern example would be when Jordan Peterson was suddenly confronted with the Jewish question in one of his public talks. Hitler only switched to typed manuscripts after the war had begun since the world would be attentive to everything he put forth.

4. That's for the up and coming mental elite of this epoch to figure out for themselves. I'll give you a hint: Hitler frequently applied an analogy to himself, his party, the SS, and Germany; he compared all of these with a magnet, meant to attract the most competent, healthiest, ethical peoples from the Volk and push away all that did not belong to it. It was a type of natural selection, or election, applied to the community.

5. Aryan are the nations which bear the world's culture. The Germans, Japanese, Arabs, Indians, and Tibetans qualify for the Aryan status. These are also responsible for maintaining the afterlife outlook, although this is poorly handled in the Occident (due to Christianity supplanting Valhalla, Elysium, etc.) and in the Orient (due to pantheism denying the immortality of the soul and due to the gradual subversion of Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.). The Muslim's Jannah is still intact in the Middle East, a worthy conception, clearly defined, earthly and realistic. The Jewish conception is ambiguous and earthly, although unrealistic.

6. Jewry is a collection of individuals who identify with each other but have no nation of their own and subsequently no culture. This identification is absolutized through racial mixture. So I say Jewry is neither a religion nor a nation nor a race. Otto Weininger was the first modern Jew to separate from his Jewishness (a possibility in all individuals), or at least he attempted to.

velvet
Wednesday, November 14th, 2018, 04:46 AM
Only in the regions dominated by the Center Party.

I was referring to the 5th century onwards, when the original Roman Empire had ceased to exist.

After that tribes reformed, broke apart, wandered around, formed something "new", not rarely something that would later turn against the German people who had remained in the German territories. This happened already when Rome still existed, tribes that got enslaved once became 'loyal Romans' and stood against the tribes (and vise versa) that had refused to be enslaved. The "conglomerate tribe" Franks were made up of defected Frisians, Saxons and a handful other tribes, later and to this day the greatest enemy of Germany. Later, a huge chunk of Saxons and the entire tribe of "Angeln" conquered England, became the Anglo-Saxons and to this day (at least their govt) remain an enemy of Germany. There would be more examples of regrouped tribes, although not all of them became enemies of Germany.

And this is what I meant, kin-loyalty never really existed among the German tribes, this is something we had to learn, and we only learned it when the consciousness of a common Germanness grew along with the Norddeutsche Bund and Deutsche Bund. This culminated in the Reich foundation 1871 which was strongly desired and welcomed by the people. Before that, starting somewhen around 1800, early traces of the Blut und Boden idea (not yet an ideology) can be seen, and the idea florished in the German Reich. It is only then that we really develop a sense of common Germanness, although the 'tribal' structures remain to this day. The Völkische Bewegung also finds its roots in the Kaiser Reich, also Heathen movements. NS united most of the ideas and formed a political ideology from them. But NS had only 6 years without war to lay foundations, and what was built has been destroyed by the Allies and is smeared to this day.

It was not yet ingrained into a whole generation. Many believed in NS wholeheartedly, also beyond the war and the early years of occupation, but as always, we "assimilated" to the new situation, and so the fruits dried and died...

J.Yaxley
Wednesday, November 14th, 2018, 05:45 AM
Yes and no. It's "absolute loyalty". That he's an American (no qualifier) he had already "proven" to get into the army in the first place, and then the German does his job - unfortunately, whatever it might be.


The obedient German stereotype does seem to have a bit of truth to it. A few years back I was at a German-American dinner event. Basically it was one of those things where you hang around, meet people for an hour or so after eating from a buffet, and then listen to a speaker. I was there because I wanted to talk with a girl who I thought was going to be there but she never showed so my friend & I just talked to a couple German businessmen for a while and listened to the guest speaker. He was an older German gentleman who spoke about his time as a dissident in East Germany. He & his co-dissidents operated hidden printing presses and spread anti-Communist literature in the 80s. When the Q & A section came around someone immediately asked him:

What was the most difficult part of being a dissident in Germany?

He said without any hesitation, 'Germans are not rebellious people.'

The older dissident didn't think it was impossible to get Germans to rebel, just not easy.

velvet
Wednesday, November 14th, 2018, 06:50 PM
He said without any hesitation, 'Germans are not rebellious people.'

The older dissident didn't think it was impossible to get Germans to rebel, just not easy.

Indeed, it takes tremendous efforts or probably unbearable conditions to move Germans.
Real rebellions in our history you can basically count with one hand, and that is including the great defeat of the Roman army in 9 CE.

Although it is often downplayed and "political" figures grab the fame for it, a real rebellion was also what happened in the GDR prior to the opening of the borders and the following reunification. There was no blood, no mass killings, no violence, no nothing one usually connects with rebellion, just people persistently demonstrating every monday for over two years, for one simple goal: travelling freedom.

It is very rare that the Germans grab forks and torches to rebel against life conditions.

Someone once compared the German as such to the horse Boxer from Animal Farm, who remains blind and passive to the negative changes around him, but dutiful to his job until the day that the pigs decide that he goes to the slaughterhouse. Unfortunately, this assessment isnt untrue, we can totally blend out the pressure and still try to do our thing, hoping to be left alone, trying not to bother anyone and for this reason shrink ourselves so that we dont stick out and get attention.

And this isnt a new phenomenon. The northern German tribes had as their motto "lever doed en slav" (rather dead than slaves), and so they let themselves be slaughtered in this vein. Look at the Verden massacre, where Charlemagne slaughtered 4500 chieftains and even that did not trigger a rebellion. Granted, the low-scale war against the Saxons (in Germany; the territory they inhabited is still reflected in the names of the federal states Lower Saxony, Saxony, Saxony-Anhalt and Thuringia) continued for 300 years until they were really subdued, and the Frisians seriously kicked out the Franks from their land along with christianity and reinstated Pagan rule (ended somewhen in the 1400s only), but they got divided into West Frisia (Geldern, Netherlands, back then under Spanish rule) and East Frisia (now part of Lower Saxony), and since then, no more rebellion.

It must be noted that the "revolutions" of 1848/1850 were merely an after-quake of the French Revolution that exported it's "values" throughout Europe. They didnt originate organically. This is btw where the black-gold-red flag comes from, and why the post-war Germany got this flag again and not the Kaiser Reich flag (red-white), although it would be more appropiate because before the Kaiser Reich there simply was no Germany.

But back to the German spirit. If you manage to convince Germans of the rightousness of a cause and instill belief in it, the Germans will just as relentlessly fight for it. But it is extremely difficult to wake this spirit, as long as there is just a tiny corner left in which the spirit can hide from being bothered.

Which you can too observe through our history. We are always late to whatever developments in the rest of the world, even if they directly affect us. And then it takes tremendous efforts to undo these effects. Because the preaching of "Wehret den Anfängen" ('mind the beginnings' or somesuch) never worked, and it never will work with Germans. And then you have to go against the effects with immense brutality and ruthlessness. If Germany manages to awake to the effects imposed on us through EU, mass migration and the UN migration pact, it will be a giant bloodshed, and be assured that no one taking part will waste a second with bad consciousness ever after. But, I'm not sure if enough will wake up "just in time" (that is: ten minutes after 12 on the figurative clock)...

Wuotans Krieger
Friday, December 21st, 2018, 06:00 PM
I once interviewed a WWII vet for a historical project. The man had a Scandinavian surname and told me he was of Norse & German descent. Anyways, he and his friend started off talking about normal military topics and then switched to bragging about doing utterly humiliating and brutal things to Germans after WWII had ended (he was a military policeman). Including:

>Forcing German women to perform sexual favors for food.
>Beating German men and chasing them around for sport.

What was disturbing was that this man was obviously convinced there was nothing wrong with this behavior and you could tell he enjoyed it. And he was also very upfront about being part-German.

It goes to show that each race has its own Untermenschen. Did you give him a slap?