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Caledonian
Sunday, November 14th, 2010, 10:11 PM
Racial identity in culture is nothing new in that like cultural identity race is just as important as a cultural one in that race through the aesthetics of any culture is used as a sort of symbolic cultural identification device in identifying with someone who comes from the same or similar cultural tribe when it concerns one's ancestory.

[Race is merely the aesthetic of culture in physical form by that which can be observed by physical appearances of specific traits where it is those traits passed down on a biological level that acts as a cultural symbolic identification device of a shared common culture ancestrally.]

Culture today even in a modern context is very much tribal where if anybody who thinks differently ought to study culture indepth and a bit more carefully in that the tribal influences of culture are very dominant when it concerns any world culture and nation.

In every culture one can find a number of resources that show traditional depictions of what people in a specific culture have always looked like racially in that traditional racial depictions of people in culture is common throughout history and the world.

Irregardless that race may be a socio cultural construct it does not matter in that it in no way negates it's usefulness or relevance in it's relation to culture.

In society there are a variety of social constructs beyond race which almost seem endless and yet noone seems to be in a hurry to deconstruct them therefore, why is it that the cultural conceptual symbolic understanding of race is being sent into deconstruction to the point of irrelevance when it concerns both culture and nations?

These are photos of traditional racial depictions of what the Dutch people have always looked like historically as a national culture below:
http://lisamae.com/post/T_dutch-women-in-amsterdam-lisa-ame.jpg

http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Andy+Debb+Front+Row+Fall+09+MBFW+RTNFJaK 4Ks7l.jpg


http://www.raymondpoort.nl/gse2004.nl/photos/photo%20Walter.jpg


http://maxcdn.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/591/793/104/005/1.jpg


Racism is merely the support of a person's racial identity in the distinguishment of one's own race in the context of culture in contrast to those that are foreign to that racial identity and culture altogether. Racism is merely the distinguishment of race as it relates to culture in identity and nothing else.

By this definition of racism how then can racism be seen as a negative defect as it is shown to be today by those that constantly defame it?

Given the traditional historical version of Dutch racial identity, how can these people below be considered Dutch racially or culturally?

http://www.mnisaa.org/images/muslim%20family.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42093000/jpg/_42093952_kashmir-ap416.jpg

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/11_01/bushraES_468x562.jpg

How can those people who are foreigners in both race and culture themselves relate to Dutch culture?

How can those people who are foreigners relate to the past legacies of such historical figures like Johan van Oldenbarnevelt?

How would foreigners contribute to the original historical Dutch culture?

Would their contribution be considered a Dutch one?

Let us assume some of these foreigners have been in the Netherlands for four generations.

How in any way does this make them Dutch?

They might speak the Dutch language yet many will probally keep speaking Arabic secondary as well keeping to the traditions of their original point of origin in collective cultural emblems of a outside foreign nation to which they belong to ancestrally.

[A great deal will refuse to conform and assimilate altogether bringing a foreign presence to wherever they reside.]

Is their ability to speak the Dutch language and own parchment of a few papers that state them to be citizens of the Netherlands make them Dutch?

[Then of course they will always be considered racially incompatible with Dutch culture.]


How is this.........

http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/01/08/let-peace-befall-on-the-muslims_6439.jpg


in any way that right there?..........


http://football.butjazz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/fifa-ambush-marketing-dutch-women-picture.jpg

How are these two examples the same or singular without differentation?


I look at race as a emblem of culture in that racial identity and cultural identity are the same in that each invests into one another by complimenting each other.

Race and culture are fused where culture is that which created nationhood where a government of any national territory is merely a cultural emblem of the original cultural progenitors that created it by historical founding.

Way of Deception
Sunday, November 14th, 2010, 10:55 PM
These are photos of traditional racial depictions of what the Dutch people have always looked like historically as a national culture below:

http://maxcdn.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/591/793/104/005/1.jpg

Is that the half Spanish Rafael van der Vaart?

Caledonian
Sunday, November 14th, 2010, 10:57 PM
Is that the half Spanish Rafael van der Vaart?

I don't know.

I was just searching random Dutch figures on the internet to make my point in the thread.

Ediruc
Sunday, November 14th, 2010, 11:12 PM
How is this.........

http://www.instablogsimages.com/images/2008/01/08/let-peace-befall-on-the-muslims_6439.jpg


in any way that right there?..........

How are these two examples the same or singular?

http://football.butjazz.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/fifa-ambush-marketing-dutch-women-picture.jpg



The point is...they're not. :thumbup Hence such the clash between the West and the East (The Crusades, Battle of Vienna, Battle of Thermopylae, the invasion of the Huns and Mongols, ect...) since the meeting of both civilizations.

Hesse
Wednesday, November 17th, 2010, 04:22 AM
Given the traditional historical version of Dutch racial identity, how can these people below be considered Dutch racially or culturally?

How can those people who are foreigners in both race and culture themselves relate to Dutch culture?




They cant. It would be far better for us as Germanics, Europe and the Germanic lands, and the racial other immigrants themselves for them to go back to the place they came from because they'll never be Dutch racially. They theroetically could, become "Dutch" culturally, if they adopt the culture and ways of life of the Dutch and don't for a second try to force their culture and values on the land, but my prediction is that that isn't going to happen any time soon. When, for example, Muslims mass migrate, they start building mosques and stuff and halal food is served in the schools, and next thing you know Islam is a dominating language in some areas. In order for that to be possible, the Netherlands would have to allow waves of immigrants, whilst it compromises not a speck of its culture and the immigrants sacrifice all of theirs.

Holland cannot afford to tolerate or accept these "people" if it wants to retain its historical cultural and racial identity.

They would have to convert religiously, all 100% of them, learn the language, adopt the ways of life, and and undergo a complete, 360 degree cultural transformation, if the Netherlands were to allow them and at the same time retain its cultural identity. And racial identity, would be lost.

Its a lose-lose deal for us and for them. One of the problems with immigration is, someone is forced to lose their cultural and/or racial identity. It's less of a problem with racially similar countries, say for example German immigrants into Holland, since they are racially similar, and hence can easily adopt the culture, but the distance between German-Dutch culture and Turkish-Dutch culture is not comparable
The issue is, when dissimilar peoples immigrate to lands they're not familar with the culture of, someone is forced to lose their cultural identity, either the immigrants themselves or the country which they are entering. As a nation the political leaders and governments must decide if it will be the former or latter who gives up their identity, and rightwing conservatives typically go with the former whereas left wing leaders usually choose the latter. And to make matters worse, sometimes it ends up being both who lose to some extent.



How can those people who are foreigners relate to the past legacies of such historical figures like Johan van Oldenbarnevelt?

Again, they cant. They have nothing to do with notable Dutch historical figures. They are not related genetically, ancestrally, or culturally.


How would foreigners contribute to the original historical Dutch culture?

Rather negatively. I cannot envision any of their contributions would relate to historically Dutch culture.

Lets see, Islam, increased crime rates, Koran, out of control birth rate of racial others, mosques, and to be politically correct, Middle Eastern culture at the expense of Dutch and European historical culture and legacy. In the long run, the cultural and racial identity of the Netherlands would be dammed to Helheim.


Would their contribution be considered a Dutch one?

None of the things I would expect them to contribute are even remotely Dutch. If they contribute something that is of their culture (which most of them will), than it can hardly be considered Dutch or even European, despite being produced in the Netherlands. But lets say they contribute something European-like. In this rare case, there are a lot of gray areas. I'd say yes and no here.

First of all, I would be quite surprised if this happened. Even if they did contribute something positive, even possibly something that has potential benefit to Europe or Germanics, it can be called Dutch in the sense that it was produced in the Netherlands, but it cannot be attributed to the Dutch race. And I think it would also be very misleading to call the item that, because people would think it was invented by an ethnic Dutchman, when it really was not. That's not to say it should be regarded as evil or for Germanics to avoid, it just cant be called Dutch.



Let us assume some of these foreigners have been in the Netherlands for four generations.
How in any way does this make them Dutch?

Do you mean if they breeded with their own kind or mixed with the Dutch? Former no, latter yes and no. Latter would have far greater, more detrimental consequences to the racial quality and identity of the Netherlands.



They might speak the Dutch language yet many will probally keep speaking Arabic secondary as well keeping to the traditions of their original point of origin in collective cultural emblems of a outside foreign nation to which they belong to ancestrally.

[A great deal will refuse to conform and assimilate altogether bringing a foreign presence to wherever they reside.]
This is why it is very difficult to accept them and maintain our cultural and racial identy at the same time and the reason it has no benefits whatsover for us and for them. It just won't work.



Is their ability to speak the Dutch language and own parchment of a few papers that state them to be citizens of the Netherlands make them Dutch?

No!!!! They have NOTHING to do with the Dutch people. They may be more compatable with the Dutch in this way, a cultural sence, but they will never be able to claim it as their race. Many people would think they are, but they're not.

For these people to claim that they are Dutch, would be stealing racial identity of the true Netherlanders.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42093000/jpg/_42093952_kashmir-ap416.jpg

If typical Dutch people ever look like this, then there has been damage to the Netherlands's racial identity.


[Then of course they will always be considered racially incompatible with Dutch culture.]

That is so bloody true. Liberal European political leaders need to remember this when they allow mass waves of racial other immigrants to enter . They must prepare for racial and cultural destruction.

The kings who ruled the nations centuries before them would be very displeased and demised at this! They would feel as if their very decrees have been spat on and their countries are being destroyed by outsiders! Its an abomination against them! Its almost as bad as war destruction! And that is what these liberals are doing; showing no respect for preservation, tradition, culture and racial quality of their good Germanic states historically.

In my mind, these liberals are showing dishonour and a lack of respect to those earlier kings of Germanic lands who valued their cultural and racial identity of their people and nation.

Gerhardt Maritz
Wednesday, November 17th, 2010, 01:14 PM
Non Germanic immigrants are like germs that infect a healthy body. Instinctively the healthy body would fight off threats from these germs.
If Holland and the whole of Europe for that matter choose to be 'politically correct' and allow this germ to settle, the formerly healthy body will turn into a sick, smelly, disgusting carcass.

VitkiValkyrie
Thursday, November 18th, 2010, 04:17 PM
In Rome, do as the Romans. This ancient advice reflects common courtisy to the host nation, which racial others always seem to lack. Ethnostates are permitted them but not us. The least they can do is not try to impose their language and so-called culture.