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Witta
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 12:55 PM
All sites like stormfront do is make people angry. They have thread after thread about:

- How white girl was killed/raped/disfigured by immigrant.
- Race mixing propaganda in the media
- Replacement of traditional white culture in white countries

All these things are just symptomatic of mass immigration. Of course once immigrants are here they will do all sorts of things which we don't like, from normalising their own mixed race identities through the media, committing crime to making movies and films from their own ethnic perspective. They are just feathering their own nest and all the white nationalists are doing is say "Look at those immigrants working, writing, reproducing, talking, living, eating, laughing, drawing, singing, dressing, driving".

We have to accept that there are Germanic people who race mix just to p**s people off and they love the fact that it p***es people off. There are people who hate the guts of people who are nationalistic. We have to accept that most people treat immigrants as they do anyone else and see nationalists as in fact the enemy. Millions of people like drinking, smoking cannabis and gambling and it is more likely to rain frogs before angry racism will change them. They have black collegues or know black people from TV, and to top it off they know it can be illegal to be racist in many situations where they come across black people so angry racism is going to have a poor effect on the vast majority of the public.

All Stormfront does is produce angry racists and nobody wants to hear angry racists. For every black who kills a white there are 6 million blacks who don't and the white public are sophisticated enough to know that. White nationalists radicalise people without any sort of political plan to involve the people they have recruited, you just have lots of angry racists patrolling web forums and repulsing the general public.

Anger is just one of thousands of emotions we could make the public feel about mass imigration and not just negative ones. Being negative about mass immigration is not enough, we have to do what mainstream politicians do in this situation and offer a positive alternative.

velvet
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 01:40 PM
...what mainstream politicians do in this situation and offer a positive alternative.

Mainstream politicians give a "positive alternative" only as variants of mass immigration.

Against more mosques, against more Muslims, instead the "positive alternative" is Blacks or Indians. Thats not positive, it's just another color of the same lie. Including faked statistics, a proudly proclaimed limitiation that brings still more immigrants, with more propaganda to welcome all those skilled and needed workers while in truth most of them will get welfare and so on and so forth.

Those mainstream politicians are allowed to play there because they do not really want to halt immigration - and also dont really oppose the silent genocide through mixing us away - they just speak what they're allowed to speak and because they do they're allowed to play mainstream politicians.

I really fail to see anything positive about that.

People like Pim Fortyn who really opposed immigration in general got killed for that. That Wilders & Co are still there tells everyone with a open eye that they do not oppose immigration or the way things are, they just shift the to be mass-imported ethnicity and call this then "nationalist policies". Same shit, different color.

The sad thing is that many people let themselves be deluded into believing that this were the road to success, when it's just another way into the same abyss.

thirsty
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 01:44 PM
He's on the right track.

Look, when I get done with people I want to leave them with nothing but positive feelings for Germania. Honesty, loyalty and a sense of humour goes further than negativity. I recall one Uke and a Pole admit they wish they could be german. The Pole was from Breslau. My Philipino bartender is a fan, quite knowledgable of the powers arrayed, both hidden and exposed, versus Germania 1914-1945. He drives a Jetta, just like the rest of the world that knows better drives some sort of German contraption, car, plane or train.

That poll BBC took back in spring which showed the world choosing Germany as the most positive development in Geo-politics is no surprise. At 61% it is no different in ratio than the two-thirds of the world that considered National Socialism to be a positive development. With China admitting that they pretty much wholesale stole/borrowed the German model Industrial Revolution, it's obvious that german ideas are not just openly admired, but used by the rest of the world that doesn't speak english.

Just some thoughts. :D

With that said, I am against the majority of immigration that is happening into all of Europe at this time. These countries that are well past any kind of reasonable carrying capacity simply do not need more immigrants. It's silly, and it's obvious somebody, somewhere really hates white europeans.

It's a tricky path we tread, one must not lose their head.

Wynterwade
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 02:03 PM
I understand what you are trying to say.

I think we need a calm, intelligent and rational form of anger; rather than a blunt, instinctive and obnoxious form of anger at immigration.

IF we do this, from the public perspective we will be viewed as cultured (culture is judgement) as opposed to the multicultural non-culture (no judgement= no culture). We would be seen as standing up for family values as opposed to the current politicians. And as opposed to the current nationalistic parties- we would be seen as logical and family oriented rather than young angry male oriented.

You would rather us talk about statistics of crime, and cultural differences rather than single cases (because many people today think each case is an outlier).

For an ideology to grow- it's all about public perceptions.

SaxonPagan
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 02:07 PM
Is Making People Angry an Effective Response to Mass Immigration?

YES! If they're happy with things they'll just continue the way they are.

Seems like since you got banned from Stormfront you just want to tell us all on here what a rotten place it is, full of "racism" and "racists" :-O And what are YOU then, with your anti-Muslim agenda? You cannot choose your own definition of racism and condemn others just because they have different target groups!

I know you've now undergone a vast transformation and think that the Jews are marvellous with the blacks not far behind. From your recent posts I even get the impression your dream for the UK is a future nation of "coffee-creams", united in their opposition to Islam, but I really don't know where you get such ideas as ...


For every black who kills a white there are 6 million blacks who don't

That's the best one I've heard in a long time!!!

One other thing is that the anger and violence on those EDL marches you attend negates all of the points you are making against it! So you're totally contradicting yourself here, Fortress, I'm afraid.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/3411/edl2.jpg (http://img176.imageshack.us/i/edl2.jpg/)

... did somebody mention "public perceptions"? :oanieyes

I'm sorry mate, but having football hooligans giving us lessons on Anger Management is pushing it a bit far!!!

GroeneWolf
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 03:15 PM
Anger can be a motivating force to mobilize people, we can see that in the more mainstream parties trying to capitalize on the feeling towards (mass)immigration. Problem is how it is directed. The mainstream parties are hardly on the same level as we are when considering immigration and it's effects on our societies. The talk is more about putting in more effort on integration/assimilation at best and scorning our own heritage at worst. And efforts that maybe would bring in less, but still in high amounts.

This of course leaves the nationalist parties to properly capitalize on those feelings. Problem is that some of them are totally disconnected from the general population. And come across as caring more about a bunch of Arabs in the desert, then what is happening to their own people.


People like Pim Fortyn who really opposed immigration in general got killed for that. That Wilders & Co are still there tells everyone with a open eye that they do not oppose immigration or the way things are, they just shift the to be mass-imported ethnicity and call this then "nationalist policies". Same shit, different color.

Neither of them called their policies nationalist. And both of them where assimilationist. Fortuyn wanted a stop on immigration so that they could focus on assimilating those already here. However he did open up the public debate from the problems around immigration and that should be considered his lasting contribution. Wilders is indeed less of certain groups type.

∆meric
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Passive people do nothing, angry people react. Angry people lead revolutions, passive people just follow the crowd.

RoyBatty
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 09:33 PM
Passive people do nothing, angry people react. Angry people lead revolutions, passive people just follow the crowd.

The best tactic is scaring them, convincing them the bogeyman is out to get them. That one really gets the peanut gallery going.

If you can scare them and in particular, scare them with something that they cannot understand (as long as they think they know it's "bad" and that it could be happening "in a neighbourhood near or like theirs") you're really in business! :D


I think we need a calm, intelligent and rational form of anger; rather than a blunt, instinctive and obnoxious form of anger at immigration.

Calm, rational anger is alright for people who take an interest in understanding the issues affecting their lives. However, the masses are just too stupid, too unconcerned and too busy with other pursuits. There is no point trying to be rational or logical with them.

They are best handled the way Fox News & Co. handle them, with

The FEAR FACTORRRRRR :D

Witta
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 09:46 PM
Passive people do nothing, angry people react. Angry people lead revolutions, passive people just follow the crowd.

Angry people provoke angry resistance. We can progress in a civilised manner without anyone getting hurt on either side. With less resistance we will achieve our goals quicker and with more good will, and it is good will which keeps a regime in power. Getting angry and treading on toes is a sure fire way of a hostile reception and a short lived victory.

velvet
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 11:06 PM
Angry people provoke angry resistance.

Indeed. More and more people are really fed up by all that fluffy pink multikult gibberish. They get angry :D


We can progress in a civilised manner without anyone getting hurt on either side.

Maybe you go tell that all those nice, calm Muslims and their hate preachers who preach death to infidels.... lest they cause anger, y'know :oanieyes

Else you sound like just another version of the multikult paradise promotion. Please like each other, get along and then...

... then noone will say anything against the replacing of our culture (lest we offend anyone) and the genocide through mixing and outbreeding.

It is outrageous when a mosque is build, when synagoges stand around everywhere, when ghettoes grow and in general all sorts of foreign people run around and behave like the uncivilised apes they are. And now even self-proclaimed "nationalists" tell them that they cant be angry about all that.

This isnt anything like a victory y'know, it's the very definition of defeat.

SaxonPagan
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 11:33 PM
Fortress (is it really you or has somebody hacked into your account?) I hate to keep mentioning your illogical mood swings but this is now getting out of hand!!!

It's only 10 weeks ago that you were "Trooper FG" and telling us all about how you'd taken to the streets, saying …


There were lads who got severe kickings yesterday so we might still have a country our grandkids can call all their own
http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=1023891#post1023891

... and I actually agreed with you then, but now you’re talking about spreading goodwill and being civilised so that nobody gets hurt on either side.

TBH, I’m really not sure what to make of your posts any more :confused

RoyBatty
Tuesday, November 9th, 2010, 11:34 PM
It is outrageous when a mosque is build, when synagoges stand around everywhere, when ghettoes grow and in general all sorts of foreign people run around and behave like the uncivilised apes they are. And now even self-proclaimed "nationalists" tell them that they cant be angry about all that.

This isnt anything like a victory y'know, it's the very definition of defeat.

In Russia they still have some good traditions. For example, in certain cities on Armed Forces Day, the Central Asians and Caucasians (often working as market traders) tend to disappear from public view.

Why?

Because Armed Forces Day = Russian Day. When Russian ex-Military types (usually ex-conscripts) celebrate this special day, only to find the streets full of errr..... non-Russian uninvited "guests".....

Well.... you can guess the result. :D

By contrast, in our sick Western "Civilisation", such behaviour would be deemed to be "uncivilised", "objectionable" and the riot Police would be out en masse to arrest us and protect all the foreign colonists.

The Aesthete
Wednesday, November 10th, 2010, 09:35 AM
They should naturally be angry about such immigration

Unfortunately most people do not know the facts about immigration

Do most Englishman know they will be a minority in about thirty years?

Also they don’t know much about places like South Africa where whites have become a minority?

Would you prefer to ban anyone speaking ill of immigration?
Name some alternatives?

I do agree we should focus on pride, but one proud of their RACIAL & CULTURAL identity seeing it ruined will naturally be angry

Funny for an EDL (who I admire in some ways) supporter to be saying such things

Witta
Wednesday, November 10th, 2010, 10:06 AM
Funny for an EDL (who I admire in some ways) supporter to be saying such things

What is your point? The EDL motto is 'peacefuly protesting against militant islam'. I should know because I've been on a couple of EDL demos, which makes my position to comment on the EDL an order of magnitude more qualified than most people.

velvet
Wednesday, November 10th, 2010, 11:15 AM
What is your point? The EDL motto is 'peacefuly protesting against militant islam'. I should know because I've been on a couple of EDL demos, which makes my position to comment on the EDL an order of magnitude more qualified than most people.

Doesnt change that the EDL's position disqualifies them as "nationalists" :shrug

Look, Islam is always militant. There might be "moderate" Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam.

But let's assume for a moment you make all those Muslims nice and behaving English citizens through your protest. What do you win actually? You still have 4mio+ Arabic and other Muslim foreigners roaming your streets, mixing with your people (which gets increasingly more likely the more they are integrated, ie the less 'different' they become), building their mosques, breeding like rabbits etc pp.

And then you also have millions of non-Muslims other immigrants, I often hear specially Poles swarm into England, as well as Indians, and many other ethnicities from all corners of the world.

What have you won? Your nation still is handed over to foreigners.

Sure, this will under those conditions be "peaceful", and noone gets hurt (apart from our culture, our way of life, our language, our laws...),

but,

isnt it utterly retarded to hand over your country to conquerers without even the slightest protest? :|


And.... when will English people be brought into reservations, in order to not disturb Muslim public life any longer?

SpearBrave
Wednesday, November 10th, 2010, 11:27 AM
Well I think we should be angry, yet at the same time not lose our cool. We should try and make all of our people angry and get them motivated and moving in the same direction to stop mass immigration of non-Germanics into our lands. Anger does not have to mean violence or law breaking activities. I think it is good that we are angry yet we must control and channel that anger in a rational manner.

The Aesthete
Wednesday, November 10th, 2010, 11:28 AM
The EDL videos you post donít look too peaceful; of course many in them are angry about the destruction of English identity, not to mention harassment from racial others they receive at these rallies.