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Blod og Jord
Monday, September 20th, 2010, 04:26 PM
What is your opinion on miniskirts?
On first thought they're relatively new, women from the older centuries wore long skirts and long dresses, but actually our ancient ancestors wore them too.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/45/Egtved_Girl.gif

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/a558/a312/gallery/Scandinavia/Denmark/Egtved_Maedchen.jpg

http://www.sagnlandet.dk/uploads/pics/Modeshow__03-beskaer.jpg

http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/7bc/655/7bc655b4-bb5d-43f2-a613-195fb2c080b4

I think some miniskirts can be pretty and enhance the female figure but some others are downright vulgar.

http://www.denimology.com/2009/04/Avril-Lavigne-in-Abbey-Dawn-Denim-Jean-Mini-skirt-JT-4.jpg

flāneur
Monday, September 20th, 2010, 04:35 PM
Sexehhhhhhhh.....:D

Elessar
Monday, September 20th, 2010, 04:38 PM
It depends on the style.
Avril Lavigne? No.
Danish Bog Skirt? :thumbup

Blod og Jord
Monday, September 20th, 2010, 04:45 PM
Sexehhhhhhhh.....:D
Would you consider this a miniskirt though?
A miniskirt is to me significantly above knee length.

flāneur
Monday, September 20th, 2010, 04:46 PM
Well not really a 60's miniskirt in the Twiggy sense but still risky for its day....and with those jackboots.;)

GroeneWolf
Monday, September 20th, 2010, 04:59 PM
What is your opinion on miniskirts?
On first thought they're relatively new, women from the older centuries wore long skirts and long dresses, but actually our ancient ancestors wore them too.


If you want to talk about more recent ancestors you come to the Medieval era, but then they where worn by men. This until pants became more commonplace. Now my own opinion would probably depend on how mini it is and of course the occasion. But under a certain length it becomes in my opinion decadent and gives my a negative opinion about the one wearing it.

However woman can look extremely beautiful in long dresses.

flāneur
Monday, September 20th, 2010, 05:05 PM
Hello sailor....

Neophyte
Monday, September 20th, 2010, 05:32 PM
What we are seeing now is 1500 years of Christianity and foreign morals evaporating in a few decades and culture in some sense reverting to what is natural to us. That will of course be confusing for some.

BritishLad
Monday, September 20th, 2010, 05:38 PM
I generally like them ;)
However there are some which I don't like (the ones that are too short to be mini-skirts).

Witta
Monday, September 20th, 2010, 11:55 PM
Angle women used to wear tops split down the sides showing the side of their breasts, so I don't think women wearing next to nothing is a modern phenomenon.

EQ Fighter
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 12:07 AM
Angle women used to wear tops split down the sides showing the side of their breasts, so I don't think women wearing next to nothing is a modern phenomenon.

LOL!

Yeah sex is not really a new thing.
So it stands to reason that some very ancient outfits would look sort of modern in that context, because it had the same force driving them :D

Caledonian
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 12:15 AM
:D I say more women should wear them especially in weather with hard winds and breezes....

Does it cry out of a woman trying to get attention looking to flirt her way into the night with the guys? Sure but I don't necessarily see anything bad about that....:)

SaxonCeorl
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 12:16 AM
I find them a bit out of style...very 90s (TERRIBLE style decade), so I tend to have a slightly negative opinion of mini skirts. Denin mini-skirts? Definate no-no.

EQ Fighter
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 12:21 AM
I don't really like the 1960's versions of them, but the ones that tie at the waist are cute, an if the woman has nice shoes to go with it then a mini can be very stylish. ;)

Wynterwade
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 12:43 AM
Just because your ancestors ages ago wore little clothing doesn't mean you should do so today.

Here goes my rant....
Most people today do not have the same views on beauty and love that people back in our ancestors time did. Back in ancient Greece nudity was seen as natural and the feelings people had were strictly platonic love. Nobody had sexual feelings looking at naked people back then.

If you wore a short skirt today (in our low moral society) people will see it as a sexual flaunt and they will view it in a perverted way. You are only an object for potential gratification to these people- get ready to be hit on a lot.

If I had a girlfriend I wouldn't feel comfortable taking her to the beach here because we have so many perverted people that would just sit there and stare at her the entire time (so many people do this- mainly blacks and Mexicans). That is uncomfortable.

Bottom line-
Just wear a normal sized skirt. Nothing too short. And don't wear anything too long.

Žoreišar
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 12:43 AM
I don't really like the 1960's versions of them, but the ones that tie at the waist are cute, an if the woman has nice shoes to go with it then a mini can be very stylish. ;)Not to forget about a good pair of legs...

SaxonCeorl
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 12:49 AM
Back in ancient Greece nudity was seen as natural and the feelings people had were strictly platonic love. Nobody had sexual feelings looking at naked people back then.

I'm not so sure about that. A lot of orgies, pederasty, and all-out sex went on in ancient Greece. Not that there's anything wrong with that.


If I had a girlfriend I wouldn't feel comfortable taking her to the beach here because we have so many perverted people that would just sit there and stare at her the entire time (so many people do this). That is uncomfortable.

Not necessarily; I quite like the idea of women staring at me in sexual lust and adoration :thumbup

Wynterwade
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 12:55 AM
I'm not so sure about that. A lot of orgies, pederasty, and all-out sex went on in ancient Greece. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Those were the Hedonists (they were not a majority) and they held the exact opposite view on life than the Platonic viewpoint. (I hate Hedonists more than anything- no morals, chaotic irrational thinking, degenerates)

Families used to exercise naked outside with friends. Statues were naked. The Olympics were naked. Nudity was viewed with a Platonic view back in the day- it had nothing sexual about it.


I wouldn't feel comfortable taking her to the beach
Well I live in a really diverse area and we ALWAYS have a million Mexicans and blacks on our beaches and all they do is hit on girls. The fraternity kids that comedown during the summer are the same way. Really makes me sick.

(Sorry to get off topic a bit but I wanted to clarify that to SaxonCeol- It is important to understand the difference between platonic public love (moral ancient good way) and sexual public love(immoral modern bad way))

BritishLad
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 08:56 AM
Lucky Angle men ;)

Wittmann
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 09:13 AM
I dislike it when women wear revealing clothes, it looks unprofesional and obscene. Not to mention simply a cry for attention. The women I have always felt for have not been the type to show any sort of cleavage in public, even though they were quite beautiful.

Joe McCarthy
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 08:10 PM
I'm frankly not a fan of clothing Western women wear in general. It is sensual and enticing, and in my opinion that isn't socially beneficial.

And before the pagans come at me with 'You want to put women in burkas!', I'll point out that when the West was Christian, female dress was generally much more modest, particularly in the Anglosphere.

Hrodnand
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 08:34 PM
I'll point out that when the West was Christian, female dress was generally much more modest, particularly in the Anglosphere.

Yeah, but you should not forget that it was an age where the influential and leading ideology was that beauty is a curse that should be hidden, revealing ankles or the neck is a sin and that beautiful women in general are the tools for the Devil's treachery. ;)

Joe McCarthy
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 08:35 PM
Yeah, but you should not forget that it was an age where the influential and leading ideology was that beauty is a curse that should be hidden, revealing ankles or the neck is a sin and that beautiful women in general are the tools for the Devil's treachery. ;)

However superstitious those things may have been, they had socially beneficial effects.

Hrodnand
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 08:42 PM
However superstitious those things may have been, they had socially beneficial effects.

I wouldn't call it socially beneficial to have a breeding ground of misogynists and ideas serving the suppression of women, where natural beauty is being punished and beautiful girls or women are being judged as witches because some idiot couldn't keep it in his pants.

Joe McCarthy
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 08:46 PM
I wouldn't call it socially beneficial to have a breeding ground of misogynists and ideas serving the suppression of women, where natural beauty is being punished and beautiful girls or women are being judged as witches because some idiot couldn't keep it in his pants.

What does the issue of witchcraft have to do with clothing standards?

I'll argue that men are naturally not in control of their sexual urges. I don't think that's a particularly controversial statement. I'll also argue that illicit sex has many negative social consequences. That isn't a particularly controversial statement either. Therefore, modest clothing tends to discourage and inhibit both of them and is thus socially beneficial.

Hrodnand
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 09:25 PM
What does the issue of witchcraft have to do with clothing standards?

Because if a woman was beautiful and she was wearing a type of clothing that was somewhat revealing or emphasized her beauty even more, the attraction a man experienced at her sight was thought to be the effect of magic or witchcraft. :oanieyes



Therefore, modest clothing tends to discourage and inhibit both of them and is thus socially beneficial.

It depends what you call by "modest clothing" because I'm not a fan either of the trends that make women look like porn-stars or sluts however, the main problem and also the source for whorish looking clothes is the worldview that women are merely sexual objects and the hedonistic idea that sexuality is a woman's only and greatest value.

Joe McCarthy
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 09:30 PM
Originally Posted by Hrodnand
Because if a woman was beautiful and she was wearing a type of clothing that was somewhat revealing or emphasized her beauty even more, the attraction a man experienced at her sight was thought to be the effect of magic or witchcraft.


Okay, fair enough. But it's a bit off topic as we're discussing less revealing clothing, not more. The larger point though is that modest clothing has socially beneficial effects, and has precedent in Western history.

Edit: Er, make that more, not less.

SpearBrave
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 09:40 PM
To me it matters how a woman carries herself. If you see a classy woman in miniskirt she would be just as classy in long dress that still somewhat conforms to her body.

Hence why some women can look good even in a gunny sack, it all has to do with how they carry themselves.

Hrodnand
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 09:43 PM
The larger point though is that modest clothing has socially beneficial effects, and has precedent in Western history.

In a society where culture is spread through MTV, Playboy or Hustler and the role models for teenagers are some latino porn princesses, perhaps but these are not which define any aspect of germanic culture.



and has precedent in Western history.

Which was a useless, irrational war against human nature and I wouldn't bring it up as good example. ;)

Joe McCarthy
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 09:46 PM
In a society where culture is spread through MTV, Playboy or Hustler and the role models for teenagers are some latino porn princesses, perhaps but these are not which define any aspect of germanic culture.


Ironically, it comes closer to Germanic pagans than the Christian example I'm citing.


Which was a useless, irrational war against human nature and I wouldn't bring it up as good example.

Human nature must often be restrained. That should be obvious.

Hrodnand
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 09:53 PM
Ironically, it comes closer to Germanic pagans than the Christian example I'm citing.

Huh?:hrm




Human nature must often be restrained. That should be obvious.

Yeah, but there is a difference between a superstitious anti-human ideology and a worldview which deals with sexuality in a completely different way and views women more than mere objects for sex.

Joe McCarthy
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 09:56 PM
Originally Posted by Hrodnand
Hrodnand

The pagan attitude toward sex more closely resembles the modern. It's no coincidence that many regard modern hedonism as a pagan revival.

Hrodnand
Tuesday, September 21st, 2010, 10:20 PM
The pagan attitude toward sex more closely resembles the modern. It's no coincidence that many regard modern hedonism as a pagan revival.

Then perhaps it is the right time to inform you that there is also a difference between hippies who are into some new-age fantasy wave, using it as an excuse to live up to their own hedonistic needs and idiocies, and germanics who follow their ancient ancestral heritage by applying to reconstructionism while basing theories on real-life facts so that the result will be the basement of the native culture which bounds us germanics together.

Chlodovech
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 12:07 AM
Because if a woman was beautiful and she was wearing a type of clothing that was somewhat revealing or emphasized her beauty even more, the attraction a man experienced at her sight was thought to be the effect of magic or witchcraft. :oanieyes

I don't think it was ever as bad or as simple as that - the Middle Ages gave birth to the idea of romantic, or 'courtly' love. Ideally, romance and physical attraction played an important role in a knight's life.

Plus, nothing prevented women from dressing nicely if they could afford it - far nicer than today, if I may add.

True, women and men wore headwear - but by no means all of the time, and not always hiding all of their hair - which can be seen when looking at medieval art.

For me, the medieval attitude towards sex makes still more sense than the current one. It wasn't entirely justified, of course, but I dare to say that the overall effect on our civilization was largely positive.

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Vindefense
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 12:28 AM
However superstitious those things may have been, they had socially beneficial effects.

That's a good point but do you deny that such suppression ultimately led to a very negative effect and in more than one way paved the way for the modern day feminist movement?

Wulfram
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 12:53 AM
Wasn't the mini-skirt an invention of the swinging 60s?
Anything popularized from that decade I would be suspicious of.

However, the mini-skirt from that era almost seems innocent when compared to the ones we see today.

1960s
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3569/3356431830_a18d0c82be.jpg

Modern
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2749621259_9684f1f450.jpg

Is the following mini-skirt tasteful because she just happens to be a beautiful woman?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2732/4419976299_8b64d88584_z.jpg?zz=1

Is this appropriate attire for any Germanic woman, however leggy they may be?
Perhaps the short dress helped to further the image of the Germanic woman as being easy, and corrupt.

Neophyte
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 01:17 AM
Is the following mini-skirt tasteful because she just happens to be a beautiful woman?

The lesson is: If you are going to appear naked you should have the decency to look good doing so. :D

feisty goddess
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 04:30 AM
When I wear a miniskirt, its mostly just that I want to be cool and comfortable but want to look good too. Its not really an "attention seeking" thing, its just that I've been dressing that way for so long that I don't think of it as immoral or distastful. I have a laid back/bohemian, feminine style. I want to look pretty and feminine, but I'm not totally obsessed with getting attention and I want to be comfortable. As long as its not any shorter than mid-thigh and you're not overweight I feel there is nothing wrong it. It also depends on where you're wearing it and whether the whole outfit looks tasteful and stylish rather than trashy and cheap. I mean miniskirts are a lot better than many of the other weird styles out there for women, at least they're feminine.

Cliodhna
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 05:25 AM
Personally, I don't think a miniskirt is vulgar...nudity isn't even vulgar in the right circumstances. However, if a woman acts like a slut when she is wearing it, therein lies the difference. So many girls nowadays don't even know how to sit properly in a skirt. I think it is more the attitude of the person, not the clothing, that conveys vulgarity.

Wittmann
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 06:53 AM
When I wear a miniskirt, its mostly just that I want to be cool and comfortable but want to look good too. Its not really an "attention seeking" thing, its just that I've been dressing that way for so long that I don't think of it as immoral or distastful. I have a laid back/bohemian, feminine style. I want to look pretty and feminine, but I'm not totally obsessed with getting attention and I want to be comfortable. As long as its not any shorter than mid-thigh and you're not overweight I feel there is nothing wrong it. It also depends on where you're wearing it and whether the whole outfit looks tasteful and stylish rather than trashy and cheap. I mean miniskirts are a lot better than many of the other weird styles out there for women, at least they're feminine.

I guess that there could make sense. I have always just viewed them as distasteful, as I think the face is the most beautiful part of a woman, as opposed to the more "sensual" portions. Maybe it's just me, but I look a woman in the eyes when we talk, not at her legs. But as I think you were implying, you wear it for comfort, rather then "advertisement", and then I would say it is okay, as long as it is not like mini-mini-skirt length. I just have a thing for the 30's and 40's, fashion and military (hehe SS).

Ward
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 07:51 AM
What we are seeing now is 1500 years of Christianity and foreign morals evaporating in a few decades and culture in some sense reverting to what is natural to us. That will of course be confusing for some.

Well, I guess I'm one of the confused then, because those same foreigners have also played a leading role in corrupting those morals, and I fail to see how this has helped us. The mentality behind the modern miniskirt has ushered in an era of anorexia, race-mixing, dysfunctional families, and dying Germanic populations. It seems to me that the miniskirt has been something of a sociopolitical weapon for the Frankfurt School.

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Hrodnand
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 10:42 AM
I don't think it was ever as bad or as simple as that - the Middle Ages gave birth to the idea of romantic, or 'courtly' love.


I don't deny the fact that people did experience love at a certain level in that age, but all in secret and that's because of the suppression I mentioned above. Courtly love was the result of this, because it was the only form of love which was somewhat tolerated or accepted, people most often expressed their love under loyalty or service.
On the other hand, romantic love might have emerged mostly from the sense of longing after the loved person which was a result of impossible relationships, once again made impossible by social codes or the church.



Ideally, romance and physical attraction played an important role in a knight's life.

Ideally yes but in reality their service and life was driven by strict codes such as loyalty, honour, mercy, courage, valor, fairness, protection of the weak and the poor, the servant-hood of the knight to his lord or lady, etc.
I find it hard to believe that they had any room for openly expressing their affection or attraction to anyone they wanted, these codes defined their lives and not the individual sense of romance or physical attraction.

Sigurd
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 11:24 AM
I don't think it's a question of prettiness or decadence - as SpearBrave already suggested, a classy woman will look classy no matter what she wears or doesn't wear, a slutty woman will look slutty even if she veils herself in a burqa.

I am personally not exactly a sucker for miniskirts, whether traditional or new-age, and certainly don't find denim miniskirts attractive. That however has little to do with the length of the garment, as I like a girl in a short summer dress as well, and these are rarely longer than most miniskirts we see. I'm simply not that fond of the style.

The extreme is of course fairly decadent, i.e. when you can't discern whether it's a skirt or a belt, but that's another topic. If you're going to wear something that short, chances are your face and top will be made to match it, and especially including the way you bear yourself, and I will have decided whehter you look classy or slutty long before my eyes meet the nether regions of the girl's body.

So in short, you could say it depends on the style, but what it really depends on is how the girl bears herself; that is the main difference between the girl in the traditional miniskirt and the girl in the new-age miniskirt --- the former looks fairly classy in her overall appearance, the latter rather slutty in her overall appearance.

Want the proof? Even Heidi Klum (despite being a race-traitor) looks more classy with the miniskirt than Avril Lavigne (despite being subjectively the prettier) does with hers. :P

Ocko
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 05:55 PM
The opinions are a reflection of oneself.

Yes, the olden germanics had no problems with nudity or short skirts. If you want that you also accept the other part: Deathpenalty for adultery (men) and selling into slavery for women. That was the viking heathen rule.

Adultery for sure was only between free men and free women. Men usually had unlimited access to slave women who were one of the most traded items in heathen viking times. (probably accorded to some mix in viking homelands).

The death rites described by Ibn Fadlan also show some frolicking around of the men.

anyway if a woman looks slutty in a miniskirt I would still look but don't think very well about that girl. Primary attraction still works like in Pavlov's dog. Sense follows.

If a woman looks good and attractive in a miniskirt I have no problem with that. Size of course matters.

I like to look at beautiful women, there is some energy in that, if it is going down to sluttyness though the energy is falling down to end in repulsiveness.

Women are very creative to make them look beautiful and if miniskirts are part of it so be it.

Joe McCarthy
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 06:09 PM
Then perhaps it is the right time to inform you that there is also a difference between hippies who are into some new-age fantasy wave, using it as an excuse to live up to their own hedonistic needs and idiocies, and germanics who follow their ancient ancestral heritage by applying to reconstructionism while basing theories on real-life facts so that the result will be the basement of the native culture which bounds us germanics together.

Yet this is beside the point. That ancient Germanic paganism more closely resembles modern hedonism than Christianity does is the point, and it is one that is not seriously contestable. Indeed, in other contexts, pagans are quick to flame Christians as uptight prudes sexually.


That's a good point but do you deny that such suppression ultimately led to a very negative effect and in more than one way paved the way for the modern day feminist movement?

Possibly, though perhaps in the same way racism caused anti-racism. A good can cause a bad reaction. Call it Newton's third law applied to society and politics.

Moreover, feminism was started in England, and one could easily argue that it too is something of a pagan revival. Certainly feminists are fond of reciting ancient pagan attitudes toward women (both Celtic and Germanic) in attacking Christianity. We need to remember that ultimately feminism is an anti-Christian movement.

Hrodnand
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 06:32 PM
Yet this is beside the point.


The point is that you are quick to jump to judgments about certain things being the same where in fact they hardly bear any resemblance. You call and label anything as pagan or hedonistic which is different from the conservative christian agenda, while you also fail to see the crucial differences between an ancient worldview and some trend among neo-hippies.



and one could easily argue that it too is something of a pagan revival.

Proofs?



Certainly feminists are fond of reciting ancient pagan attitudes toward women (both Celtic and Germanic) in attacking Christianity. We need to remember that ultimately feminism is an anti-Christian movement.


As mentioned before, action creates reaction, this is how women are reacting to the misogynist agenda of the church.




That ancient Germanic paganism more closely resembles modern hedonism than Christianity does is the point


I'm really curious how you would elaborate on this and that in which aspect does sexuality in heathen germanic culture resemble to modern hedonism?

Joe McCarthy
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 08:47 PM
Originally Posted by Hrodnand
I'm really curious how you would elaborate on this and that in which aspect does sexuality in heathen germanic culture resemble to modern hedonism?

I find it interesting how you've worded that question. You don't really seem to be contesting what I'm saying but asking a different question about the actual commonalities between modern hedonism and Germanic paganism, instead of whether Germanic paganism has more in common with modern hedonism than Christianity does. Let's just say this account of a Viking funeral is not something we'll see approved of by Jesus in the New Testament:

http://www.funerals-and-flowers.com/viking-funeral.html


"The dead chieftain was put in a temporary grave that was covered for ten days until new clothes were prepared for him. They asked which of his thrall women wanted to join him in the afterlife and one of the girls volunteered. She was guarded day and night, and was given a great amount of intoxicating drinks. She sang all the time with happiness. When the time had arrived for cremation, his longship was pulled ashore and put it on a platform of wood. On the ship, a bed was made for the dead chieftain. Soon after, an old woman named the "angel of death" put cushions on the bed. She was an old witch, stocky and dark. She would be responsible for for the ritual and would be the one to kill the thrall girl.

The chieftain was given new clothes and in his grave, he received intoxicating drinks, fruits and a stringed instrument. He was placed on his bed with all his weapons and grave offerings around him. Then they had two horses run themselves sweaty, cut them to pieces and threw the meat into the ship. Finally, they sacrificed a hen and a cock. Meanwhile, the trall girl went from tent to tent, having sexual intercourse with the men. Each man told her "tell your master that I did this because of my love to him". In the afternoon, they moved the thrall girl to something that looked like a door frame, where she was lifted on the palms of the men three times. Every time, the girl told of what she saw. The first time, she saw her father and mother, the second time, she saw all her relatives, and the third time she saw her master in the afterworld. There, it was green and beautiful and together with him, she saw men and young boys. She saw that her master beckoned for her.

After this, the thrall girl was taken to the ship where she removed her bracelets and gave them to the old woman. She then removed her finger rings and gave them to the old woman's daughters, who had guarded her. Then they took her aboard the ship, but they did not allow her to enter the tent where the dead chieftain lay. The men arrived and brought shields and sticks with them. The men were to beat on their shields so that the girl's screams would not be heard, in order not to discourage other thrall girls from volunteering in the future. The girl received several vessels of intoxicating drinks and she sang and bid her friends farewell. The girl was pulled into the tent and the men started to beat on the shields so her screams could not be heard. Six men entered into the tent to have intercourse with the girl, after which they put her onto her master's bed. Two men grabbed her hands, and two men her wrists. The angel of death put a rope around her neck and while two men pulled the rope, the angel of death then stabbed the girl with a knife between her ribs. When the sacrifice was complete, the relatives of the dead chieftain arrived with a burning torch and set the ship aflame. Afterwards, a round barrow was built on top of the ashes and in the centre of the mound they erected a staff of birch wood, where they carved the names of the dead chieftain and his king. Then they departed in their ships."



Thralls were often sacrificed during a Viking funeral so that they could serve their master in the next world. In the account above, the thrall girl who was to be sacrificed had to undergo several sexual rites before she was strangled and stabbed. The sexual rites appeared to show that she was considered to be a vessel for the transmission of life force to the deceased chieftain.

And since I mentioned Jesus, just for fun we'll see what he says in Matthew 5:28:


But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

In other words, severe puritanism vs. what amounts to a ritual gangbang. I'd say it's obvious which best resembles modern hedonism, no?

Ocko
Wednesday, September 22nd, 2010, 10:54 PM
What do you understand about our religion?

Intercourse is just that. I guess you do to, or? And don't tell me you don't enjoy it. Of course it is not hedonism because it only in the strict puritane prison of Jesusian doctrine? You make things complicated which are simple.

Just look at your priests and their love for little boys. That is what comes out of the oppression of it. I am sure the mind is getting screwed if you don't indulge in it in a hedonist way.

But anyway, your snides against heathenism are just cheap shots.

In heathenism you can do that or you don't. it is your decision. In christianity you have a tyrann who is telling you what is allowed and what not.


In esoteric christianity a woman is symbol for an emotion. Mary the mother of Jesus was a 'virgin', meaning she had no impurities and didn't connect with anybody. Meaning it is a pure emotion and has no connection to greed, sex or whatever mundane. That emotion is the gate to higher forms of conciousness.

In Heathenism we have pure women whose honor is tested and then defended, look at the 2. lay of Gudrun, at the Edda.

That your christians were happily indulging in intercourse up to the popes in medieval times, (the Borgia pope had several children) is just one example.

Askese as you promote is just the other end of the schtick. Deny yourself everything and kill your body as much as you can is the doctrine you follow. If you think that is the better way, then do so.

I think to live with what is inside you and you check whether it is harmful to your bigger aims then you decide whether you do it or not.

Obviously the german women at heathen times were used to that behaviour, whether they objected or not is not written down or in anyway brought down to us today.

Hedonism is that you decide what is bringing the biggest pleasure and then you do what you think pleases you the most.

I don't think that germanic heathen have been like that. They mostly were farmers and hard workers as such. A few were warriors, some were traders and some were craftsmen. Their women were mostly in charge of the house and the household, some were healers, some priestesses or other religious professions.

Doesn't look they had much time to just do what they pleased to do.

Do you spend every spare time in Church, praying?

They most did in their spare time to what they liked.

They also made, horrible horrible, feasts which lasted weeks, with everything from pigmeat to mead, dancers and women.

They also had at Samhain organized 'gangbangs' as you call it. Religious sex based on the recreation of the year.

What do you have? Christians who whip themselves? Put their women in chastity belts because they don't trust them?

I chose heathenism lifestyle anytime over your christianity. It is way more humane than the doctrines of your desert demon.

Hrodnand
Thursday, September 23rd, 2010, 12:09 AM
You don't really seem to be contesting what I'm saying but asking a different question about the actual commonalities between modern hedonism and Germanic paganism, instead of whether Germanic paganism has more in common with modern hedonism than Christianity does.



Bullshit! :oanieyes What I'm arguing against is the assumption you made in the first place: that germanic heathen culture closely resembles to modern hedonism (something which you still failed to prove!). You took Christianity as part of the argument because you knew that it has in no way any chance for similarity with modern hedonism when compared to heathen germanic culture. :thumbdown




Let's just say this account of a Viking funeral is not something we'll see approved of by Jesus in the New Testament:

Unless you didn't notice Jesus is not the godfather of germanics, never was and never will be so this christian rhetoric doesn't really make sense and it is quite a bad argument.



http://www.funerals-and-flowers.com/viking-funeral.html

Meanwhile, the trall girl went from tent to tent, having sexual intercourse with the men.

That's still fairly small compared to those crusader knights who were raping through the middle east during their missions of "Holy Quest" while claiming service to god.
On the other hand the vikings were similar to pirates, being single and unmarried, spending most of the year with traveling. You also probably know the saying that a sailor has a lover in every port which explains their conducts of life.
Eventually, that still doesn't prove that sexual practice back home, among stable germanic communities was similar to modern hedonism.






And since I mentioned Jesus, just for fun we'll see what he says in Matthew 5:28:


But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Sure, just for fun, we should all become castrated, numb idiots under a superstitious system which fights against human nature. You're right, that would solve the problem of sexuality in modern society, along with the extinction of the human race.

Joe McCarthy
Thursday, September 23rd, 2010, 08:00 PM
Originally Posted by Ocko
In heathenism you can do that or you don't. it is your decision.

This sounds like 'do your own thing' hedonism typical of the 60's generation.


Originally Posted by Hrodnand
Bullshit! What I'm arguing against is the assumption you made in the first place: that germanic heathen culture closely resembles to modern hedonism (something which you still failed to prove!).

When did I assume this? My only contention is that Germanic paganism more closely resembles modern hedonism than Christianity does. That's it. And though you make many tortured protestations, use foul and insulting language, and erect several strawmen, you wound up conceding that point.


That's still fairly small compared to those crusader knights who were raping through the middle east during their missions of "Holy Quest" while claiming service to god.


Yet the big difference is that while the Crusaders were acting outside the teachings of their faith, those Vikings were actually acting in accordance with it. In other words, there's no comparison between the two.

bęny
Friday, December 3rd, 2010, 06:02 PM
I believe there is nothing wrong with mini skirts! I don't even own a skirt that isn't a mini skirt apart from a pencil skirt. Oh and a few maxi dresses.

Voth
Saturday, December 4th, 2010, 11:53 AM
I'd generally opt not to have my first post in the fashion and beauty section, but since I'm already here...
There are vast swathes of folks out there who are simply less capable of controlling their sexuality. Entire demographics of people have astoundingly low IQ's (anything under 105 is, unfortunately, quite dumb) and really don't have the sense to question their actions. Judgment is key here. This is coming from a guy who's really quite sensitive on the subject of dress code around undesirables; members of my family have been raped partly thanks to revealing clothing and an excess of trust in a certain Leroy Jenkins before...

Astrid Runa
Wednesday, December 22nd, 2010, 09:26 PM
You wouldn't catch me dead in a skirt that goes above knee-length....

DerWeißeWehrwolf
Wednesday, December 22nd, 2010, 09:46 PM
I think mini-skirts are great for the bedroom only. With all the sh!t going on in the world, we dont need our women showing their perfectness off to the colored mongrels, they do no deserve it.

InvaderNat
Wednesday, December 22nd, 2010, 10:04 PM
I tend to find that girls who wear mini skirts seem to be almost advertising themselves to guys, or trying to show how cute they are (or think they are).
Usually I avoid girls like that, because their most likely quite 'high maintenance'.


Entire demographics of people have astoundingly low IQ's (anything under 105 is, unfortunately, quite dumb)

I don't know what IQ test you take but I'm pretty sure the average IQ is about 90-110, thus under 105 is not dumb; under 90 is.

Micaela
Thursday, December 30th, 2010, 02:33 AM
I think the classiness of a mini-skirt depends on the person wearing it and the style of the mini-skirt itself. If a woman is provocative to begin with, the mini-skirt will look provocative too. But if she generally presents herself well, with classic looking makeup she can pull it off. As well, denim skirts tend to look worse than say, a black silk skirt.

Ęlfrun
Thursday, December 30th, 2010, 02:59 AM
mini skirts are are not classy, but a jean mini skirt looks great with black tights :)

Sigurd
Thursday, December 30th, 2010, 10:50 AM
I don't know what IQ test you take but I'm pretty sure the average IQ is about 90-110, thus under 105 is not dumb; under 90 is.

Under 90 isn't by definition dumb, it's "below average". Signs of mental retardation start at around 75, when it becomes difficult for them to even peel a banana the right way around. People in the 75-90 range can still have insular talents, did once know a guy with IQ 85 who was pretty daft in most respects, but who had a great poetic talent (he was a retard save for his verbal intelligence) and wrote the most beautiful stories, albeit with basic vocabulary. He was almost like that particular school's rain man, likable because he was so simple. :)

Other than that, Voth just said that people under 105 are "quite dumb" not "totally dumb". And to some respect, I tend to agree. It's difficult for me to lead much of an intelligent discussion with someone whose IQ is obviously in the lower average brackets, many of them don't have much of a potential to form their own, steadfast opinions, and are intellectually the underclass. It's not that I view them damningly, it's just that unless there's a damn good reason for me to hang out with them, I have a difficulty connecting if they lack a basic understanding of the concepts I'm introducing to them. :P

Ingvaeonic
Thursday, December 30th, 2010, 11:13 AM
Miniskirts can be and often are alluring garments; it depends on the girl/woman wearing the skirt. If the female party wearing a miniskirt has the figure and legs for it, why not?

King Sitric
Thursday, December 30th, 2010, 11:37 AM
a big YES to mini skirts! :)

...and of course it all depends on the legs .... knobbly knees and hairy legs please keep them covered up ladies!

Astrid Runa
Thursday, December 30th, 2010, 07:16 PM
I have heard and read so many stories where women have had men force themselves upon them because of the way the woman is dressed, and then later in court lose the case because she was dressing "provocativley".
As in, there are now excuses for such a terrible act.
That's the main reason why I will never wear a mini-skirt. It brings unwanted attention.
But of course, that's only in my opinion.

Centaur
Monday, January 31st, 2011, 08:08 AM
Decadent... Would you let your daughter wear that crap? Something my girlfriend wears around the house...:thumbup

Elfriede
Tuesday, February 7th, 2012, 09:08 PM
I don't see anything wrong with miniskirts. In fact, I wear them very often especially when it is hot outside. I never even thought about them as decadent or trashy. I think it depends entirely on the person wearing it and what they are wearing it with. I would never wear one that was super short in public. That makes it look like the wearer has no self-esteem and gives them an air of desperation.

Unity Mitford
Tuesday, February 7th, 2012, 09:16 PM
I think they're pretty but obviously it depends on the legs ;)

Not everyone should wear them.

Thusnelda
Wednesday, February 8th, 2012, 09:27 PM
I think it depends on the style but I wouldn“t wear miniskirts myself. ;) Not that my legs would be unsightly or something like that, but I“m just not used to it and I don“t think it would fit my style. I prefer trousers or longer, more airy skirts.

renownedwolf
Wednesday, February 8th, 2012, 10:14 PM
They are designed for one thing, like most women's clothing, for flaunting their sexuality and attracting men. Which of course I am totally fine with, the female form is worth showing off!

Some times it attracts the wrong person though, and I would not doubt that that look is responsible (More than others) and contributes to bringing out bad behaviour to a certain extent. Though the fault will lay 100% with the person committing the crime for acting on impulse and having no self control.

Like Unity said though you have to have the legs for them, plus everything else in my humble opinion...

Svanhild
Thursday, March 29th, 2012, 02:11 PM
Wow, such a thorny debate about a piece of clothing. I'd estimate that it depends on the style and event. Some women look like sluts in miniskirts because that's what they are but others look sexy and the miniskirt underlines their attractivity and appeal.

I owned two miniskirts but I had to throw them in a charity collection bin for the simple reason that my legs are not in the best condition and that I felt too lightly dressed. Give me a stylish and feminine blue jeans and the day is saved. You can wear them everywhere and for every occassion.

WestWall
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 04:00 PM
For me, the mini skirt is a provocation and expression of a general disrespect furthermore the mini skirt is a symbol of fall in values. The same crap like hot pants. The protests of 1968 helped the decadence into a new dimension. The leftists, liberals and Jews are still laughing today. Such un-Germanic things must be rejected and must be antagonised. How abhorrent?!:suspect

Sefo
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 04:10 PM
This is ridiculous. Its a piece of clothing....

Women should wear what they want... I love seeing mini skirts on
attractive women... why in the world would I.... as a heterosexual male.... complain about that? :|

:|

tigerlily
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 04:12 PM
For me, the mini skirt is a provocation and expression of a general disrespect furthermore the mini skirt is a symbol of fall in values. The same crap like hot pants. The protests of 1968 helped the decadence into a new dimension. The leftists, liberals and Jews are still laughing today. Such un-Germanic things must be rejected and must be antagonised. How abhorrent?!:suspect

I don't understand what is so 'disrespectful' and 'decadent' about female legs. Such an overreaction to some exposed skin!

Sometimes it gets hot, you know. :P

Goetterfunke
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 04:22 PM
This is neither ridiculous nor funny.

This fashion came up to Germany after 1945 brought by the american occupying ZOG forces.

The german custom says that women shouldn't be so careless with their sexuality. A skirt must not be that short.

Even me I'm against strange occupying force fashion.

Sól
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 04:38 PM
Ungermanic? Please do a search about "string skirts" in the Nordic Bronze Age. :)

Lichtblick
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 04:52 PM
"Pretty" and "decadent" don't have to necessarily exclude each other. On the other hand it's never the single element which causes fall, which nevertheless doesn't mean it's harmless.

Though I don't really like miniskirts myself everyone should be able to evaluate for himself if the person on the other side of the street wants to look like a hooker or if it's just for the weather, practicability or one rather sexy element among other ordinary clothes, and if the street is leading straight to school or church or just to the next park.

If you always think of sex maybe it's just you, not the breast-feeding mother, not to talk about children in short clothes.

The same goes with this "ZOG brought it up stuff"; first, prove it, second think about if there's really a political agenda behind it, not just some fashion hegemonia (which can add to political circumstances without intending it).

Goetterfunke
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 05:39 PM
For me there is a clear difference between

http://www.gallica.co.uk/bronzeage/female_outfit3.jpg

and

http://www.asien-news.de/wp-content/uploads/miniRock.jpg

And it's a fact that porn and sexual *sordidness is used for psychological warfare.

That the U.S.A. fought Germany driven by Zionists is a fact as well.

Edit: Mini skirt is defined ending 10 cm over the knee. That would be ok. Skirts and hotpants like in lower picture are too short for my opinion.

By the way, there exists no originally german term for mini skirt, so it's clear there's no need for because a real German(ic) never would wear such short clothings in public.

Gruß zur Sonne

Gustaaf
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 06:11 PM
They're decadent. The post-war West saw a relentless push to sexualize society, and this has proved such a resounding success that now this pornography pervades our modern culture right down to our children. When degeneracy becomes such a norm that a girl is bullied for not conforming to perverted expectation, and the teachers, even parents, join in the chorus of slander against anyone so prudish she won't show her naked body to every man in town, it's then that we, as a society, begin to be implicated in cultural rape. The girls with the strongest morals are the ones to suffer most. These girls, not the unscrupulous, are the ones who are sniffed out and targeted by predators as 'weak', 'confused' and 'vulnerable'.

What others have said is true. This is the design of powers that would see us destroyed. Legal rape of our virginal youth. The constant circumvention of moral barriers by the infinitely crafty find their greatest ally in the infinitely naive.

Sefo
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 06:29 PM
For me there is a clear difference between

http://www.gallica.co.uk/bronzeage/female_outfit3.jpg

and

http://www.asien-news.de/wp-content/uploads/miniRock.jpg

And it's a fact that porn and sexual *sordidness is used for psychological warfare.

That the U.S.A. fought Germany driven by Zionists is a fact as well.

Edit: Mini skirt is defined ending 10 cm over the knee. That would be ok. Skirts and hotpants like in lower picture are too short for my opinion.

By the way, there exists no originally german term for mini skirt, so it's clear there's no need for because a real German(ic) never would wear such short clothings in public.

Gruß zur Sonne

uh...... thats not even a miniskirt. That looks like a pair of really short shorts to me... :|

And i'm glad you have the last word on what a "real Germanic" would do. You should write a book on every little thing a "real Germanic" would do. That way we will all know what it is we can and cannot do...

Finn
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 06:30 PM
I agree with Goettefunk, about the modern girl in that mini... Way out of line !!! I enjoy and admire beautiful women, but it invites trouble in certain situations, males can get a little out of line sometimes, and then your man is put in the position that he has to be busting somebodies head. Single girls... I'd say that's there decision. As long as its not my daughter..

Sefo
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 06:32 PM
Again... those are shorts...

WestWall
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 07:45 PM
The same goes with this "ZOG brought it up stuff"; first, prove it, second think about if there's really a political agenda behind it, not just some fashion hegemonia (which can add to political circumstances without intending it).

Of course the shift in values/fall in values is a social development but these changes have far-reaching political implications. That’s a fact. The current policy supports, promotes and float this ideas. I can recommend on this subject the books written by the American political scientist Ronald Inglehart.

- The Silent Revolution, Princeton University Press, 1977.
- Culture Shift in Advanced Industrial Society, Princeton University Press, 1990.
- Value Change in Global Perspective, University of Michigan Press, 1995.
- Modernization and Postmodernization, Princeton University Press, 1997.

And no, the mini skirt is not only a scrap of fabric. It is a symbol of this abnormal times.


Ungermanic? Please do a search about "string skirts" in the Nordic Bronze Age. :)

Okay, I admit that was stupid.:D But the science is uncertain about the function of the clothes. I think you mean the Egtved girl?

First the scientists aren't sure wether the clothes were everyday clothes or a special kind of funeral clothes. Because this girl was found in a grave. The short blouse with short sleeves is known from the Danish Bronze Age burials of Borum Eshoj and Skrydstrup.

Another question is the social status of this girl. Together with the complex, once over 20 meters in diameter grave mound, can close the grave goods in a particular social position of the girl from Egtved. It is possible that this skirt was only a garment of an upper-class.

Interesting is the fact that other Bronze Age images of young women with string skirts suggest that they might have had a function in the ritual area. And in this case the modern mini skirt would be nothing more than a desecration of a religious Germanic cult object.

But everyone should wear what she/he wants. You just have to live with the consequences.

Jens
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 08:05 PM
Look people, being ashamed of our bodies is not germanic, it is christian. Germany has been pretty christian for about 1.5 (slightly less) thousand years. That said, it could be argued that Christian influence is part of what is germanic today. The question is whether or not we should accept this Latin/Hebrew influence on our society or reject it now that we have the option.

I'm not sure myself. Either way, I agree that being slutty is not particularly uplifting for our society. However, we should remember that our ancestors were not such prudes. If Germania by Tacitus is to be believed, German men often walked around naked, except for their cloaks. His description of our women's fashion is not prude either. Not everything has to be sexual all the time. The fact that it is seen that way only shows that our society has been perverted and requires some attitude reform.

EDIT: @ Götterfunke: I would point out, we do have a word for it. Minirock. Which is about as old as the english term. It's not like they've had it for much longer.

Frostbite
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 08:22 PM
I like the look of short skirts with tights, expecially in winter.

Goetterfunke
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 10:39 PM
@Sefo

uh...... thats not even a miniskirt. That looks like a pair of really short shorts to me... :|


That's why I'm saying "MINI SKIRTS AND HOTPANTS". ..got your glasses on??


And i'm glad you have the last word on what a "real Germanic" would do. You should write a book on every little thing a "real Germanic" would do. That way we will all know what it is we can and cannot do...

My intention is not to write any book. For who? Strangers? What I wrote was mainly to be seen in context to the history of Germany. Please read carefully.

So well, believe me: I am one of those who got to know. You seem to be one of those who got to see.

I guess this should be an international forum about germanic culture.

Waidmann
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 10:52 PM
I like them, but I still find them a bit tasteless. Not to say women should be cloaked and veiled like some raghead, but there's a thing called modesty that most modern day (feminist corrupted) women lack. I guess it would depend on the style, but generally they make women look slutty.

Thunir
Wednesday, June 20th, 2012, 10:59 PM
There is a trend among conservative-minded men to condemn the modern female herself for her choice of attire, but this is folly. One must recognize the source of the problem and root it out from that point. To attack the afflicted is counter productive and serves only to make enemies of a vital element of ourselves. Indeed, we succumb to the engineering of our true enemies by tearing ourselves apart. One should reserve one's critique, therefore, for the culture which produces degeneracy and not its victims. I personally reject the 'miniskirt' and the society which condones it, but I do not blame the wearers for falling victim.

Goetterfunke
Thursday, June 21st, 2012, 12:14 AM
EDIT: @ Götterfunke: I would point out, we do have a word for it. Minirock. Which is about as old as the english term. It's not like they've had it for much longer.

I was writing about ORIGINALLY GERMAN TERMS, where "Minirock" shurely not belongs to. Again: Please read carefully!

Sigurd
Friday, June 22nd, 2012, 12:54 AM
There is always some argument to be made with something. This here is an actual poster from a local NPD group in Rheinland-Pfalz:

http://www.npd-naheland.de/inhalte/image/ferneinbindung/NPD_zur_Landtagswahl_2011_in_Rheinland-Pfalz_Minirock-statt-Minarett_rgb_72_dpi_weltnetz_300px.jpg

Too be honest, all fair credit aside, the picture/poster reminded me neither of the likely intended message that A) miniskirts had been worn by our Germanic ancestors centuries ago, nor B) as a critique of the restrictive clothing laws some Muslim countries have. :P

Plantagenet
Friday, June 22nd, 2012, 01:04 AM
I love miniskirts. This is my face every time I see a nice looking gal in a miniskirt:

http://i.imgur.com/KFyno.gif

No but seriously, I think it all depends on the girl wearing it and how short it is. A regular miniskirt I don't think is decadent, but obviously there exists some skirts out there that are so short that I would only be able to conclude that the girl wearing it is indecent. This also isn't to say I wouldn't mind seeing longer skirts/dresses make a comeback in style among modern women, but somehow I highly doubt this will happen. Seems limited to Hasidic Jewish women these days.

Sigurd
Friday, June 22nd, 2012, 01:14 AM
This also isn't to say I wouldn't mind seeing longer skirts/dresses make a comeback in style among modern women, but somehow I highly doubt this will happen.

I personally find that short miniskirts have more of a 'slutty' vibe than short dresses do. I actually quite like a girl in a short summer-dress, it is luring yet at the same time keeps quite a bit of class, as opposed to some miniskirts that would've been sold as over-sized belts in other outlets. ;)

hyidi
Friday, June 22nd, 2012, 01:42 AM
There is mini skirts and there is 'do not wear that'! The first pictures, those mini skirts look elegant and made the women appear sexy.

Then modern times just made the mini skirt a nono.

Sefo
Friday, June 22nd, 2012, 01:51 AM
@Sefo That's why I'm saying "MINI SKIRTS AND HOTPANTS". ..got your glasses on??

In America, we dont know what hotpants are... you should be more clear...


My intention is not to write any book. For who? Strangers? What I wrote was mainly to be seen in context to the history of Germany. Please read carefully.

So well, believe me: I am one of those who got to know. You seem to be one of those who got to see.

I guess this should be an international forum about germanic culture

I have absolutely no clue what point your trying to make... but I fail to see what the history of Germany has to do with anything....

I'm not German... nor do i care what a proper German should do in the context of German history...

BTW... you mentioned Germanics if I recall. Big difference.

Wulfaz
Friday, June 22nd, 2012, 06:45 PM
Partly or full nudity is not equal with sexual license. That is so unnaturally that in the Middle-East and nowadays in the Europe the people combine the natural human body with the sexual act. Probably every single adult human is capable to compare an sexually excited male/female face/genitalia what in the nature and other parts of the world sign the sexual desire. Thus basically a miniskirt is not sexy or decadent.

Personally I think the miniskirt is unpractical garment in the heat weather conditions as the underwear is so recommended with this f.e. when a female want take a seat. I think a simply bermuda short would be more useful and breezy for a female too in heat weather conditions. Well, the start of the leg shaving of the woman and the appearance of the shorter skirt in the second quarter of the 20th is another story. The story of the Consumerism.


http://valdezzootsuit.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/women_in_the_1920s.jpg?w=295&h=221

Adalheid
Friday, June 22nd, 2012, 06:53 PM
I wear skirts about 90% of the time simply because they're practical and easy to move in. Anyone who has tried to clean kitchen floors with a scrub brush in jeans can tell you that it's not comfortable. That being said, I am a conservative in many respects, and my opinion may not reflect that of the general members here at Skadi. I am never opposed to wearing a sexy outfit, or a super-mini skirt, but generally I do that in front of my husband, or in a few occasional scenarios, only when on his arm out in public. I don't desire to be found sexy by other men, and so I do wear more conservative dress out in public.

When it comes to mini-skirts, I do believe there are ways to tastefully wear them, and not all are made equal. Also, a woman must be honest with herself when wearing one. Not all ladies are built to wear such apparel. I nice round rear end is a fabulous thing, but in a mini-skirt, it can make even the nicest curved lady look like a cheap date.

tigerlily
Friday, June 22nd, 2012, 06:59 PM
Partly or full nudity is not equal with sexual license. That is so unnaturally that in the Middle-East and nowadays in the Europe the people combine the natural human body with the sexual act. Probably every single adult human is capable to compare an sexually excited male/female face/genitalia what in the nature and other parts of the world sign the sexual desire. Thus basically a miniskirt is not sexy or decadent.

Personally I think the miniskirt is unpractical garment in the heat weather conditions as the underwear is so recommended with this f.e. when a female want take a seat. I think a simply bermuda short would be more useful and breezy for a female too in heat weather conditions. Well, the start of the leg shaving of the woman and the appearance of the shorter skirt in the second quarter of the 20th is another story. The story of the Consumerism.


http://valdezzootsuit.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/women_in_the_1920s.jpg?w=295&h=221

I think it's practicality depends on individual preferences. While a longer skirt made with thinner material may be just as 'breezy' as a miniskirt, many people simply cannot deal with a lot of fabric in hot and sweaty conditions. Believe me, I know. I do agree about the sexualization of the human body in modern times, but by embracing negativity toward light clothing for reasons of 'indecency' people are playing into it. I would hope that even for the most 'prudish' of people an exception could be made when conditions demand it. :|

hyidi
Saturday, June 23rd, 2012, 06:21 AM
There is something worst than a tarty Minni skirt, that even makes a tarty Minni skirt, look so Innocent. MINI SHORTS!

I had notice a new fashion shorts (and I see this often with a very hot Aussie summer) that the women's whole two butt cheeks are totally visible to the public as she steps out of her home to go shopping in a busy shopping centre

http://yeeeah.com/2009/06/05/bar-refaeli-does-gq-italia/

Minni skirts still look more elegant than mini shorts.

Lobsterally
Saturday, June 23rd, 2012, 07:50 AM
The pressurization of woman to display their assets to the World is not merely the inevitable product of modern societys tendency to strip all of the dignity and selfrespect of former times but the outcome of a calculated plan to do so, so as to render us spiritually naked and thus ripe for the plucking. It always starts w/ the women in any targetted civilization/ gradually erodes the womens lofty position and in tandem her respect for the mans/ this is all able to be averted if the society beefs up its standards of gender-relations and re-asserts the specific codes by which is used to perform/ therefor miniskirts must be treated as we begin to treat the burka. . . an alien aspect not approved/ not congruant with native respect/ beliefs about women

hyidi
Saturday, June 23rd, 2012, 08:19 AM
therefor miniskirts must be treated as we begin to treat the burka.
Muslims do that already.

Last summer, I was wearing a tight skirt. It were short but not a mini short skirt, the Muslim lady just glared at me like I was an alien to her culture (yes, that's how she look at me). Same as me when I look at her barque,but I have an excuse,Australia is my nation with Western European culture' not Islam culture. Yes, multicult at its finest.

Lobsterally
Saturday, June 23rd, 2012, 08:31 AM
Muslims do that already.

Last summer, I was wearing a tight skirt. It were short but not a mini short skirt, the Muslim lady just glared at me like I was an alien to her culture (yes, that's how she look at me). Same as me when I look at her barque,but I have an excuse,Australia is my nation with Western European culture' not Islam culture. Yes, multicult at its finest.


Yes here we witness the Islamic sense of entitlement extending to lands they are currently occupying/ they are of the indoctrinated belief as a culture and a collective that they have conquered such lands as they immigrate to the moment foot meets ground and this sense of triumph and ownership will manifest without fail in the behavior displayed toward the true inhabitants. Required is a mirror of their behavior toward what is ours that we intend to keep/ otherwise they will win out.

Gustaaf
Saturday, June 23rd, 2012, 09:04 AM
The pressurization of woman to display their assets to the World is not merely the inevitable product of modern societys tendency to strip all of the dignity and selfrespect of former times but the outcome of a calculated plan to do so, so as to render us spiritually naked and thus ripe for the plucking. It always starts w/ the women in any targetted civilization/ gradually erodes the womens lofty position and in tandem her respect for the mans/ this is all able to be averted if the society beefs up its standards of gender-relations and re-asserts the specific codes by which is used to perform/ therefor miniskirts must be treated as we begin to treat the burka. . . an alien aspect not approved/ not congruant with native respect/ beliefs about women

Sorry, but this is ridiculous. No-one is being 'targeted', weve simply loosened up about people's bodies and stopped freaking out about anything that could be associated with sex. It all has to do with the weakening of religion. Some areas of the US are the most backward places anyone of European descent could occupy, seriously. Do me a favor: try to get into the European mindset and accept your own people as a beautiful thing, not to be restricted or hidden away or punished for basically every manifestation of what it is to be alive. Skirts aint that bad, man.

hyidi
Saturday, June 23rd, 2012, 09:54 AM
Short Skirts offend Muslims so I'm going to wear them every summer, every day (I do anyway) but, now I know I offend Muslims, its even better. As long as my skirts are elegant and obeys western culture.

Wulfaz
Saturday, June 23rd, 2012, 05:37 PM
There is something worst than a tarty Minni skirt, that even makes a tarty Minni skirt, look so Innocent. MINI SHORTS!

I had notice a new fashion shorts (and I see this often with a very hot Aussie summer) that the women's whole two butt cheeks are totally visible to the public as she steps out of her home to go shopping in a busy shopping centre

http://yeeeah.com/2009/06/05/bar-refaeli-does-gq-italia/

Minni skirts still look more elegant than mini shorts.



This is the short what similars to the old-school runner short. I find it better than mini skirt as it is capable that a woman can take a seat everywhere. The main problem rather that these kind of shorts sometimes are too tight and they have stark, not breathable, not stretch material what are unehalthy to circulation and skin.


Original minishort:
http://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Lead-female-runner-106.jpg

hyidi
Sunday, June 24th, 2012, 02:47 AM
however, girls mini shorts had gotten a lot shorter. What I mean is, you can see everything, the mini shirt looks elegant compared to that.

Those shorts don't look elegrant or flattering.

You can get dressy original mini shorts and pair it up with high heels, that's a really good look for a women.

Neophyte
Sunday, June 24th, 2012, 05:52 PM
Sorry, but this is ridiculous. No-one is being 'targeted', weve simply loosened up about people's bodies and stopped freaking out about anything that could be associated with sex. It all has to do with the weakening of religion. Some areas of the US are the most backward places anyone of European descent could occupy, seriously. Do me a favor: try to get into the European mindset and accept your own people as a beautiful thing, not to be restricted or hidden away or punished for basically every manifestation of what it is to be alive. Skirts aint that bad, man.

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc14/roadrunner_876/Egtved_Girl.gif

Oh yes, we are finally putting the Jewish god behind us and have begun to revert back to our own nature. This will be a bumpy ride and it will take quite some time, and from time to time we might overdo it. But, please, remember that this is a process that has only just begun.

Lobsterally
Wednesday, June 27th, 2012, 09:00 AM
Standards of correct gender interaction do not have to be related to religion or God but are the mere expressions of centuries of civilization in our folk that developed codes of conducting oneself fro fruitful societies to function properly /without chaoss inflicting upon the society as a result of lack of agreed direction/ and guidence.

Thunir
Wednesday, June 27th, 2012, 02:09 PM
Standards of correct gender interaction do not have to be related to religion or God but are the mere expressions of centuries of civilization in our folk that developed codes of conducting oneself fro fruitful societies to function properly /without chaoss inflicting upon the society as a result of lack of agreed direction/ and guidence.

"Correct gender interaction" according to whom? And correct for whom? And where do you suppose these 'codes' of behaviour originated? Do you suggest that religion played no role?

Blut_und_Boden
Sunday, July 1st, 2012, 02:52 PM
It depends on the style, but I consider most of them decadent. I just prefer the 30's and 40's style.

Schmetterling
Saturday, December 10th, 2016, 11:21 PM
It really depends. I didn't have the legs for a miniskirt for a long time, so I didn't wear one because it made me feel self-conscious. But after I lost some weight and my legs became more "normal", I am able to sport a miniskirt at the beach, in summer, etc. I consider it a casual, leisure thing, I wouldn't go to work wearing a miniskirt - well, unless we went to a tropical country or something.

Ingvaeonic
Tuesday, December 13th, 2016, 06:05 AM
Miniskirts - Pretty or Decadent?

Definitely pretty! The best 3 things to come out of Britain in the 1960s were: the miniskirt, the miniskirt, and the miniskirt.

I dearly love a miniskirt on the right body--the tighter-fitting, the better.

Dirty old men are lovable.

North Vinlander
Friday, December 16th, 2016, 08:42 AM
http://assets.teenvogue.com/photos/55f1a0010cf05c4f26f9e2c7/master/pass/cheerleading-uniforms.jpg

Leliana
Friday, December 16th, 2016, 07:22 PM
I had some miniskirts when I was a teen. ;) Uhm, what can I say? It certainly had that impact on boys that I hoped for...:P

Nowadays I prefer normal jeans or an average dress.

Aeternitas
Sunday, January 1st, 2017, 09:48 PM
I've found that any piece of clothing can be either classy or decadent, depending on when and how it is worn. Despite adopting a generally conservative style, my wardrobe is full of anything and everything; it includes items such as shorts, crop tops, mini/summer dresses and also miniskirts, items I used to avoid because I don't like to show too much skin, and thus don't wear them in summer like most people do, but instead take them out in fall and even winter.

When it's freezing cold outside, the last thing you'd think of taking out of your wardrobe is a miniskirt, however, all it takes is some layering, and they can be both practical and classy. We've probably all had to put up with those excessively air-conditioned offices or shopping malls and began to hate the sweater that kept us warm outside. Layering one's clothing is thus an optimal way to maximize comfort both in and outdoors.

A must-have item to pair miniskirts with is a pair of pantyhose, tights, stockings or leggings. One can also combine them with knee-highs (socks) or leg warmers. My personal rule is that they should not be see-through, so I usually go with tights -- most often black or dark, as they're a match for almost anything, but sometimes earth tones or even bolder colors like burgundy or red also make for a good combination.

One can also pair flower/summery patterns, denim skirts or shorts, summer/sun dresses and even jumpsuits with tights. A summer dress with a cardigan, scarf and some boots can both keep one warm, and bring some color and fun in the midst of a gloomy autumn or winter.


http://forums.skadi.net/images/3539/Skirts1.jpg

http://forums.skadi.net/images/3539/Skirts2.jpg

Wulfaz
Monday, January 2nd, 2017, 05:41 PM
I do not wear miniskirt, but how know what will be the next command of the Bruxelles Empire. :D My partners in my life and my beloved sister use to wear miniskirt or short cloth with leggings and/or high socks in cold weather or without these in warm weather. I think it is normal, not decadent or something. The human body is not equal with any sexual thing what many people think with some of the three Abrahamite religion. I have a jeans to summer hiking what ending above the knee and I do not feel gayish/decadent. Side by side in everyday myself is very conservative: dark blazer, white collar, tie, mid-blue or dark jeans and black classical shoes with v-neck pullover, dark scarf, leather gloves and dock hat with long black coat in wintertime.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/6f/87/d7/6f87d746ea21990c3262aea337a381c2.jpg

Nachtengel
Tuesday, January 3rd, 2017, 01:31 AM
It also depends on the age IMO. If you wear miniskirts and you're over thirty, they better be knee length or paired with tights. Miniskirts at this age can make a woman look sort of ridiculous.

OTOH, here's a skirt length chart, don't take too seriously though. ;)

http://sev.h-cdn.co/assets/15/12/768x1086/gallery-1426865664-terre-des-femmes-womans-worth-ad-campaign-2.jpg

Huginn ok Muninn
Tuesday, January 3rd, 2017, 01:49 AM
It also depends on the age IMO. If you wear miniskirts and you're over thirty, they better be knee length or paired with tights. Miniskirts at this age can make a woman look sort of ridiculous.

OTOH, here's a skirt length chart, don't take too seriously though. ;)

http://sev.h-cdn.co/assets/15/12/768x1086/gallery-1426865664-terre-des-femmes-womans-worth-ad-campaign-2.jpg

I think it depends upon fitness rather than age. I know a woman in her 50s who could pull off a miniskirt, but she's both fit (aerobics instructor) and a naturally sweet lady. But yeah, generally they are seen as a young woman's dress.

Gefjon
Monday, March 27th, 2017, 12:32 PM
Too many puritan folks here.... Pretty of course, I love my leather, tulle and skater skirts, and my husband can't complain either. As long as the skirt covers the hips, I see no problem. ;)


I do not wear miniskirt
:D

Ya don't say...

Siebenbürgerin
Tuesday, March 28th, 2017, 11:14 AM
I've to agree with Out of Germania, miniskirts are usually for girls and women under 30s, especially in formal or everyday situations. My skirts are usually longer, the shortest I go is a little bit over knee level.

The first skirt looks more mature than the second skirt in my view.

http://images.asos-media.com/inv/media/4/5/4/5/6675454/black/image1xl.jpg?$XL$

http://picture-cdn.wheretoget.it/4cupvz-i.jpg

Leliana
Wednesday, March 29th, 2017, 08:38 PM
I think it depends upon fitness rather than age. I know a woman in her 50s who could pull off a miniskirt, but she's both fit (aerobics instructor) and a naturally sweet lady. But yeah, generally they are seen as a young woman's dress.

Uhm, I'm between 'cheeky' and 'tease'. Good to know. :P Maybe I should wear more trousers again. But I hate that trend of jeans who are so tight that you can barely move for legs and feet. Pure bullshit.

Žoreišar
Wednesday, March 29th, 2017, 08:56 PM
But I hate that trend of jeans who are so tight that you can barely move for legs and feet. Pure bullshit.I tried on a female friend's yoga pants for the first time recently, and I couldn't get over how flexible they made me and how amazing it felt. :D Like walking around naked, without upsetting anybody. If I could convince her to hand them over to me, they would definitely be my go-to indoors-cozy-pants. It usually looks really good on pretty much any woman, too.

Blod og Jord
Wednesday, March 29th, 2017, 09:04 PM
Yes, miniskirts over 30 or 35 are kind of strange. Pencilskirts, vintage or a line skirts at knee or below knee level are more suited for women this age.

https://cdnb.lystit.com/photos/223a-2015/09/28/river-island-black-black-blocked-leather-look-pencil-skirt-product-3-035412019-normal.jpeg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/59/af/58/59af58678df5617abb41d4651c7d9ccc.jpg

http://cdn.notonthehighstreet.com/system/product_images/images/002/291/358/original_amalfi-striped-midi-skirt.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/be/a7/ce/bea7cefebf0d4423af461568c4c565cc.jpg

https://d21vejvoh8fjtd.cloudfront.net/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/800x1200/b8d43025c92f73f5eef1e8ee77bbc00a/n/a/na-kd_a-line_midi_skirt_1018-000169-0002.jpg

Mööv
Wednesday, March 29th, 2017, 09:05 PM
I tried on a female friend's yoga pants for the first time recently, and I couldn't get over how flexible they made me and how amazing it felt. :D


https://media.giphy.com/media/HwaPDRHJqtAgU/giphy.gif

:rofl

Blod og Jord
Wednesday, March 29th, 2017, 09:09 PM
Yes, I only wore yoga pants, leggings and sweatpants when I was pregnant, very comfortable. But they don't look good on all women, especially if they buy cheap ones and the wrong size, they get a "camel's toe". :P

Mööv
Wednesday, March 29th, 2017, 09:12 PM
especially if they buy cheap ones and the wrong size, they get a "camel's toe". :P


I wonder what Žoreišar got... but I doubt it was a camel toe :roll

Žoreišar
Wednesday, March 29th, 2017, 09:20 PM
More like a fruit basket ;)

Juthunge
Wednesday, March 29th, 2017, 09:29 PM
For me mid thigh skirts are still okay, anything shorter than that is only acceptable combined with something opaque and not exaggeratedly tight fighting.
I appreciate the look of a woman’s body as much as the next man but exposing your secondary or primary sexual characteristics almost fully, certainly won’t attract the type of man interested in a serious relationship. ;)

I’m aware, that this, of course, is sort of arbitrary and there’s probably not any logical reason for either total exposure or total veiling or anything in between. Any epoch has its own Zeitgeist and feeling of what is acceptable and it can even swing back and forth throughout time.

That’s why it’s nowadays, at the same time in the same society, acceptable to wear a bikini on the beach or in the swimming bath to be seen by everyone, while wearing an actually longer than that miniskirt with exposed bottom in an everyday environment, is ultimately still seen as slutty.


I tried on a female friend's yoga pants for the first time recently, and I couldn't get over how flexible they made me and how amazing it felt. :D
Thanks, I’ll probably never get this picture out of my head again... :P

Leliana
Wednesday, March 29th, 2017, 09:42 PM
especially if they buy cheap ones and the wrong size, they get a "camel's toe". :P

Omg, that's a weak spot... :P I wore a leggins when I was in 6th grade and on class photo day. And one can see a 'camel's toe' on that class photo. :doh I'm still ashamed, so awkward. I didn't notice it by myself but a classmate pointed me to the misery.

That photo is buried deep in an old cupboard. It will never see the light again. :stabbed

Idis
Wednesday, November 15th, 2017, 03:37 PM
It depends on the age, length, occasion, etc. Like both styles posted by Aeternitas and Blood go Jord, different but both classy. I only wear miniskirts in summer, in a casual setting, although a long skirt or dress is better, no problems with the wind.