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Windsor
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 06:22 AM
Why Do White Americans Look Different From Europeans?

Intermixture of Indian Blood

There are many Americans with an intermixture of Indian blood.

In Virginia, claiming descent from John Rolfe and Pocahontas was long fashionable. Woodrow Wilson's second wife, Edith Galt, was (or claimed to be) such a descendant. Virginia's anti-miscegnation laws applied strict one-drop to blacks and Asians but allowed those with a small percentage of Indian blood to marry whites because real and alleged Pocahontas descendants were so common among Virginia's leading families.

Calvin Coolidge, of all people, once claimed to have Indian blood, but as with Bill Clinton, such claims have not been verified.

Here is a list of mostly non-Indian celebrities that I'm aware of who have some Indian ancestry, or make claims to Indian ancestry, or reportedly have made claims of Indian ancestry in the past:

Elvis Presley, Hunter Tylo, Cameron Diaz, Kim Basinger, Quentin Tarantino, Angelina Jolie, Jessica Biel, Billy Bob Thornton, Cher, Shannon Elizabeth, Anthony Kiedis, Molly Culver, Ava Gardner, Billy Wirth, Carmen Electra, Heather Locklear, Val Kilmer, Noah Hathaway, Johnny Depp, Kathy Lee Gifford, and Chuck Norris. There are many others I can't think of off the top of my head.

Most of these people, of course, claim Cherokee, Choctaw, or some other southern tribe.

Mixed Ethnicity Women: Vanessa Hudgens (Father: Irish/Native American), Anne Hathaway (Mother: Irish, also has German and Native American ancestry):

http://rockthelist.com/2008/10/15/the-34-most-gorgeous-mixed-ethnicity-women-in-the-world/

Are You Part Cherokee?

The list of celebrities who are claimed, either by themselves or by their fans, to have Cherokee blood is quite long. From Ava Gardner to Burt Reynolds to Val Kilmer, from Loretta Lynn to Tina Turner to Tori Amos, from James Earl Jones to Chuck Norris to Johnny Depp. Perhaps the most famous Cherokee is Cher, who admits to having 1/16th Cherokee blood on her mother’s side, which means that one of her great-great-grandparents was Cherokee, although some fan sites list her as much as 1/2 Cherokee, probably resulting from her hit song, Half Breed. Her dark features apparently are inherited from her Armenian father.

http://native.brokenclaw.net/wp/archives/cherokee
http://native.brokenclaw.net/wp/archives/rumors
http://native.brokenclaw.net/wp/archives/sam-bradford

Mainstream Hollywood Actors with Native ancestry

http://www.nativecelebs.com/actors8.htm

* A. Martinez. On TV. Well known Latino/native looking actor. (I've heard from two sources that he's 1/2 Blackfeet. Also heard that he got information from his grandmother that he had Blackfeet ancestry when he was cast in an NA part. He's probably not all 1/2 Blackfeet, though). He's joining the cast on General Hospital as Roy DiLucca.
* Anthony Quinn (Irish father, Mexican Indian mother. In his 1972 autobiography " Original Sin", he describes his Mexican Indian heritage)
* Ara Celi (Mexican/NA - according to fan)
* Ava Gardner (Rumored to have Eastern Cherokee roots. She says in her autobiography that she's Scots Irish. No mention of Native American. I got an e-mail from someone who's Tuscarora. He says she's actually Tuscarora/Scots Irish, but that it's an honest mistake if she thought she was Cherokee).
* Benjamin Bratt (Qechua descent - Peruvian tribe, on his mother's side)
* Billy Bob Thornton (1/4 Choctaw)
* Billy Wirth. (Billy says he's Indian on his mother's side of the family from the Iowa/Utah area. Jewish father).
* Branscombe Richmond. (Part Aleut. Branscombe told me so himself - on the phone)
* Brian Austin Green from Beverly Hills 90210 (Scottish/Italian/Cherokee/Hungarian/Irish - not Jewish! - According to a TV guide).
* Brian Van Holt (part Cherokee, according to an interview with Natalie Noel)
* Burt Reynolds (Tribal affiliation: Cherokee. Accepted by the tribe, as far as I can tell. On Biography about Burt Reynolds recently, it was stated, that even though Burt had played Indians in films before, he is not Indian.).Official site, Profile, Filmography.
* Cameron Diaz, Profile. Huge moviestar and babe at the moment. Diaz is 1/8 Indian according to rumour. Filmography.
* Carmen Electra from Baywatch. (Rumored to have Cherokee ancestry). Filmography
* Cher. Also known as Cherilyn Sarkasian. Singer and actress. (Tribal ancestry: Cherokee. According to her she's 1/16th Cherokee on her mother's side. Her father is Armenian and probably responsible for her dark looks). Profile, Filmography.
* Chris Douglas (Cherokee and Scottish). page 2. Known primarily as Dylan on One Life To Live. He's off that show and only time will tell what his next major move will be. A Hollywood goodlooking/sensitive actor, more than a typical NA actor - so far!
* Christopher Judge (Black/Cherokee)
* Chuck Norris. (Tribal ancestry Cherokee. Unconfirmed. He's looking into it right now - 1997?). On TV, According to his autobiography "The Secrets Of Inner Strength" his father is Cherokee and his mother Irish. (Annie: That information is probably older than the one about him investigating his claim). Chuck Norris, Another Personal Hero, Chuck Norris Page, Filmography [ Both of Chuck Norris's parents are half Cherokee Indian and half Irish: http://www.netglimse.com/celebs/pages/chuck_norris/index.shtml ]
* Cindy Crawford (Rumored to have native roots in a Rolling Stone feature in 1994, Cindy doesn't confirm or deny it. Got a mail contesting the claim 5-12-98).
* Clint Walker (1/4 Cherokee?). Starred in western TV series "Cheyenne". TV-Now
* Clu Gulager (registered Cherokee)
* Corbin Bernsen. (Cherokee) Son of Jeanne Cooper
* Della Reese (Cherokee-African American. From a fan May 1st 1999: She was on "The Rosie O' Donnell Show" a few weeks ago and stated that her mother was a full blooded Cherokee.). Plays Tess on "Touched by an Angel"
* Demi Moore (said PRIVATELY that she has Cherokee heritage)
* Dennis Weaver (registered Cherokee)
* Don Johnson. Have absolutely no idea if this is true. Heard said he has Native ancestry
* Elvis Presley. (Tribal affiliation: Cherokee). Filmography.
* Fred Ward. Don't know if he's NA. He played Joe Leaphorn in Black Wind. He doesn't look like an Indian as far as I can tell. There are also the rumours that there were no NA actors in that movie. On the other hand, he also played NA in Thunderheart. IMDb has the information he's Scotch-Irish and Cherokee. Filmography
* Gail Smith (Black/Blackfoot/Narrangansett - according to fan)
* Graham Greene II (Oneida)
* Hank Cheyne (Yaqui ancestry, according to himself). Known from Sunset Beach. Chat transcript: <snip>I have a percentage of Yaqui, from my father's side.... I take a lot of pride that I have Native American blood in me. I feel that it grounds me.<snip>
* Heather Locklear (part Lumbee - recognized by the tribe)
* Hunter Tylo - aka Deborah Morehart (Tribal Affiliation: Cherokee. According to her IMDb bio she's about 45% on her mother's side. I have no other confirmation on this). Filmography.
* James Duval. Says a fan: This kid was in ID4. He played the son of the crazy pilot guy who kamikazied into the alien ship to save the planet. Claims one fourth native blood. Seems to play 'mixed up kids' a lot. Cute. Was in an NA movie recently.
* James Earl Jones (frequently has cited in interviews a mixed Black Irish Cherokee ancestry - this is a common combination in the South)
* James Garner. Filmography and long bio. (His IMDb bio indicates he's part Cherokee Indian).
* Jason London. (Tribal affiliation: Cherokee). Jeremy London's twin brother. Filmography.
* Jeanne Cooper (both parents born on Cherokee reservation. Accepted by FAITA as NA). Soap actress from "The Young and the Restless". Mature woman.
* Jeremy London, (Tribal affiliation: Cherokee). Known from "Party of Five". Jason London's twin brother. Filmography.
* Jesse Borrego. (Mexican. Couldn't prove his Apache ancestry. Also some talk he has Aztec ancestry. A fan feels he's probably Chicano Apache from Texas). Starred in Tecumseh, his only NA part.
* Jessica Alba. (Half Mexican, according to a fan. A Canadian TV magazine over a year ago stated that she had mixed heritage, including native. She particularly said that her grandmother was from Quebecois, where there is a huge presence of native blood mixed with the French Canadians).
* Jessica Biel (German/French/English/Choctaw, and a lot of others things too, according to a People interview)
* Johnny Cash. The grand old man of country music. (Tribal ancestry: Cherokee. Unconfirmed). Filmography.
* Johnny Depp (Cherokee maternal grandfather according to Depp himself). On TV, Profile, Filmography.
* Jon Leguiziamo (Mayan ancestry. Columbia)
* Kim Basinger (When she was on the cover of Instyle Magazine March 1998 she mentioned that she's Cherokee, Irish and Swedish blood. IMDb also has the info that her grandmother was part Cherokee Indian). Filmography
* Link Baker (Scottish, Swedish and Carcross/Tagish First Nations)
* Lisa Bonet. I don't remember for sure, but think I've read that her father was half Black, half Indian.
* Lou Diamond Phillips
* Mario Van Peebles (a fan said he had Cherokee ancestry. I've heard he had some Pacific type ancestry. Any of you have any definite info?).
* Mitch Longley. Dr. Matt Harmon in "Port Charles"
* Molly Culver (Choctaw/Chickasaw). Tasha Dexter on the TV series "VIP." She was on "Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher" 031500 and she talked about being Indian: "...my grandmother is full blooded Chickasaw -- Choctaw/Chickasaw -- from Oklahoma."
* Mykelti Williamson (part Blackfeet)
* Noah Hathaway (Mohawk). Known from The Neverending Story.
* Paul Satterfield Jr. (1/4 Cherokee) nephew of Rita Coolidge
* Quentin Tarantino (Rumored to be 1/2 Cherokee. Unconfirmed). Filmography.
* Rebecca Gayheart (Italian/Irish/German/Cherokee - according to fan)
* Richard Dean Anderson (Scottish, Swedish, Norwegian and Mohawk)
* Robert Beltran , On TV , Official site. (Mexican/American Indian). Filmography
* Robert Mitchum. (Rumored to have native ancestry) Filmography.
* Salli Richardson (Black/Tribal affiliation: Cherokee)
* Sam Eliot (Possible Part Cherokee. Got a mail contesting the claim 5-12-98)
* Shannon Elizabeth (Syrian/Lebanese/English/French/Cherokee, according to her online bio)
* Stepfanie Kramer (Eastern Cherokee. She seems to be accepted by FAIE and others as NA). Dee Dee McCall on Hunter. She released her debut album 1999. Filmography.
* Sydney Penny (half Cherokee?). Soap opera actress.
* Teri Hatcher (source of rumor unknown. Got a mail contesting the claim 5-12-98).
* Tommy Lee Jones. Says a fan: I watched an interview with him on Inside the Actor's Studio and he was asked about his "Comanche" heritage. He stated very strongly that he was NOT Comanche but that he had Cherokee ancestory....and that it was "way back". New article
* Traci Bingham from Baywatch (Rumored to have native ancestry). Filmography.
* Val Kilmer (possibly as much as 1/4 Cherokee)

Afro-European Genetic Admixture in the United States

About one-third of White Americans are of between two and twenty percent recent African genetic admixture, as measured by the ancestry-informative markers in their DNA.

Whites' Skin Tone as Function of Admixture

The combination of narrow phenotype variation (skin tone) along with a wide range of inter-population (Afro-European) admixture variation among White Americans shows that a selection process has taken place. Few human populations display such a clear mark of selection. Narrow phenotype variation alone does not necessarily indicate selection. Northern Europeans display little skin tone variation, but they lack a wide range of African admixture. Broad genotype variation alone does not necessarily indicate selection. Puerto Ricans average 50-50 Afro-European admixture, but they also display a wide range of skin tones.

http://backintyme.com/essays/item/5

Windsor
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 11:02 AM
Steve Sailer's iSteve Blog:

Sunday, March 4, 2007

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2007/03/another-successful-indian-tribe.html

34 comments:

Thursday said...

It is sometimes said that most French-Canadians have some native blood in them. From my own perfunctory observations, I'd have to say this might be true.There was a lot more integration and intermarriage between the natives and the French Canadians, than between them and the British Canadians, who mostly came in after the American revolution. The fur trading French, and the Jesuits who followed them, were generally more friendly and accomodating than land hungry English-speaking farmers.

You might want to take a look yourselves. Here is film director Denys Arcand and here is former Quebec premier Jacques Parizeau.

Steve Sailer said...

Herbert Hoover's Vice-President Charles Curtis was famously part-Indian. In fact, he'd spent several years as a child on an Indian reservation and spoke an Indian language before he spoke English. Winston Churchill claimed to be 1/16th American Indian, although that's been disputed by genealogists. In general, being a little bit American Indian was fashionable even long before the 1960s.

The DNAPrint test has been unreliable for American Indian admixture. It's pretty common that Jews who know positively that all four of their grandparents immigrated from Eastern Europe register as a few percent American Indian. As DNA sequencing gets cheaper, these admixture tests should get more accurate because they'll be able to consider more genes for a given price.

tommy said...

Hunter Tylo would appear to be a good example of why the Dawes Rolls are not a reliable way of determining actual blood among Cherokees. If you believe the Dawes Rolls, Tylo, who you would think was entirely white if you were not informed otherwise, is reportedly nearly half-Indian.

Then again, I should say that I do know an attractive girl who's father is 3/4 Ojibwa (and who looks like he could pass for a full-blood easily) and who's mother is a blond Italian. Her white great-grandfather on her father's side was likely blonde also because, sure enough, she ended up a light-skinned, dirty blonde just like her mother. You can clearly see the resemblance of the father and daughter if you compare photographs but taken alone you would never guess she was nearly half-Indian. Mestizos can sometimes surprise you.

I suppose the reason Mexican mestizos are darker is probably because Mexican and Central American Indians tend to be much darker than those from the eastern and northern US and Canada and because northern Europeans have lighter features than Spaniards.

Wulfram
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 01:51 PM
The article uses celebrities as a way of implying that most Germanic-Americans have mixed blood, a very poor example. This is Hollywood they are talking about here, which has always been a festering ground for promoting multi-culture. I suspect that articles such as this are used as a way of discouraging heritage-minded Germanic-Americans from being so "uppity" about their past and be more accepting of inter-racial relationships.

Once you leave the rarified climate of southern California the number of Germanics with mixed blood drops quite dramatically. Here in Texas I can take you to quite a few German communities where the citizens look no different from people you will find in Germany. There are also Czech and Norwegian communities here as well and I have yet to come across one that resembled Johnny Depp, who is an obvious example of someone who has mixed blood.

Windsor, have you ever been to America yourself? Have you personally met hundreds of thousands of Germanic-American citizens, questioning and gathering sufficient data from each one? Did you uncover enough evidence to justify posting this article? If not then may I ask what is your own opinion about all of this? Do you feel it is truthful or just trying to stir people up?
I understand that many of our own have strayed through the centuries but certainly not to the point where most Germanic-Americans are of mixed heritage, as this article suggests.

SpearBrave
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 02:19 PM
Oh boy another thread on mixed blood Americans based on Hollywood and the leftist media point of view.:thumbdown

I am getting real tired of these threads. Really I have been all over this country and I see far less racially mixed people here in the U.S. as I have in other Germanic countries I have been to. That includes England and Australia. I wonder why I see few threads talking about race mixing in those countries?:|

I will give a example of something about the media and advertising. I have been looking online for a birthday gift for my fiance. She really likes traditional dress and house clothes and other folkish things. Having viewed several dozen German web sites that sell this type of clothing I was shocked to see more than a few showed black or turkish models. Common sense tells me that most of the women that wear this type of clothing are not negroes or turkish. Now did I run and start a thread on that topic, no I viewed it as more pc bull***t and moved on.

Those who wish to buy into this cultural marxism idea crap are almost as bad as the people that take part in it. As they are helping to spread these half truths and lies.:|

Ullarsskald
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 02:42 PM
As an American of slightly muddled ancestry, I'll say that the articles cited by Windsor are a bit correct, especially as applied to the demographics in "cosmopolitan" areas.

In smaller towns and rural areas, one is much more likely to encounter folk who are much more culturally and ethnically "pure."

My paternal grandfather's maternal grandmother was, as best I can tell, either a Mohawk child adopted as an infant by French speaking Canadians, or her mother was Mohawk...it is an interesting bit of family history, but I claim no Mohawk traditions as my own.

The community in which I grew up was more a remnant of Anglo-Saxon yeomanry, as modified by the New England industrial culture around it. Town common areas, town meeting form of government, we had a town crier still, each neighborhood had a distinct set of families...

Heck, until the late 1970's there were only 6 black families in a town of 26,000.

My 100% Italian mother caused a furor with her maternal grandparents when she had the gall to bring an Irish boy into their home (eventually, he became my dad).

just a bit of a morning ramble...

Æmeric
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 04:29 PM
Why Do White Americans Look Different From Europeans?Well it could be because of mixing among different Europid groups in America that did not occure in the Old World. Such as British NorthAtlantids & Bruenns with German Dinarids & Alpinids.


Intermixture of Indian Blood

There are many Americans with an intermixture of Indian blood. For most it is hearsay. I have been trying to confirm it in my own genealogy & have been unable to. The one Indian I could confirm is 350 years & 14 generations removed from me. It is something that is hard to prove one way or the other. Records just don't exist & genetic testing isn't very useful, 23andme seems to be the test for those who are looking for 100% "purity" as racially European, other companies looking at the same data will find significantly non-Europid ancestry. Some companies have been known to detect significant Amerindian in Europeans who ancestors never set foot in the New World & among Ashkenazi Jews.


In Virginia, claiming descent from John Rolfe and Pocahontas was long fashionable. Woodrow Wilson's second wife, Edith Galt, was (or claimed to be) such a descendant. Virginia's anti-miscegnation laws applied strict one-drop to blacks and Asians but allowed those with a small percentage of Indian blood to marry whites because real and alleged Pocahontas descendants were so common among Virginia's leading families.

Calvin Coolidge, of all people, once claimed to have Indian blood, but as with Bill Clinton, such claims have not been verified.This is an example of very upperclass people claiming descent from American Indian royalty.:blueroll:


Life in early America, and for generations afterwards on the frontier, was rough & the conditions very likely caused a recombination, or resurgence, of Paleo-European genetic traits that made survival more likely. Take a look at these 'suspicious' Europeans:


http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45405000/jpg/_45405007_006751490-1.jpg

Gary McKinnon


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/03/16/article-1162270-03EA94FD000005DC-793_468x522.jpg

Darren O'Dea


http://images.askmen.com/galleries/singer/bjork/pictures/bjork-picture-5.jpg

Bjork

http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/023001/f1/nlc003017-v6.jpg

Thomas Darcy McGee


http://www.goodhousekeeping.com/cm/goodhousekeeping/images/catherine-zeta-jones-natural-hg-de.jpg

Catherine Zeta-Jones

I could go on & on. If any of the above persons were Americans most people would see the "obvious" Amerindian in their taxonomy. But it is extremely unlikely any of them have New World Indian ancestry.

I think some of the more 'exotic' traits in the British Isles show up among the Celts & the Celts (Welsh, Scots & Ulster Scots, and to a lesser extend the Gaelic Irish) were a significant part of the makeup of the original settlers in the US.

The US is at a more southern latitude them most of Europe. So we get more sun & tan (naturally) from it. So Paleo-European traits + tanning from more sun exposure = American Indian.:blueroll:






* A. Martinez. On TV. Well known Latino/native looking actor. (I've heard from two sources that he's 1/2 Blackfeet. Also heard that he got information from his grandmother that he had Blackfeet ancestry when he was cast in an NA part. He's probably not all 1/2 Blackfeet, though). He's joining the cast on General Hospital as Roy DiLucca.
* Anthony Quinn (Irish father, Mexican Indian mother. In his 1972 autobiography " Original Sin", he describes his Mexican Indian heritage)Why are you citing Hispanics as prove that White Americans are part Amerindian. Only the idiots at the Census Bureau consider them White.:oanieyes

* Benjamin Bratt (Qechua descent - Peruvian tribe, on his mother's side)HE IS 1/2 PERUVIAN! Why is he being held up as an example? Thandie Newton is 1/2 Bantu, should she be held up as the typical Englishwoman?


Afro-European Genetic Admixture in the United States

About one-third of White Americans are of between two and twenty percent recent African genetic admixture, as measured by the ancestry-informative markers in their DNA.



You should be permabanned for this slander!:thumbdown This misinformation completely ignore the reality of the colorline that existed in the US until the late 60s. People like Barack Obama were very rare until the 80s, I would bet the majority of biracial (White parent-Negro parent) persons in America are under 10.

Lagergeld
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 05:01 PM
White Americans do not look different than Europeans, and Angelina Jolie is not part Indian. Her father, John Voigt, admitted to lying about being part Indian in the 70s because it was the hip thing to do. If someone has a non-white admixture and looks it, they aren't white, so this article is wrong for calling them white.

ReichsRitter
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 05:04 PM
Why Do White Americans Look Different From Europeans? Admitted that I have only been to some Midwestern Staates (Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois) jet the answer is: they don't! Now it can be seen that some are mixed Europid, but there weren't any signs of "many Americans with an intermixture of Indian blood" or "Afro-European Genetic Admixture". I think the person who wrote the article forget basic US history and how mixing was treated back then.

Lagergeld
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 05:05 PM
The US is at a more southern latitude them most of Europe. So we get more sun & tan (naturally) from it. So Paleo-European traits + tanning from more sun exposure = American Indian.:blueroll:

Some people seem to be confused by this. As a kid, I played outdoors a LOT, and I had some people approach me and ask if I was part Indian or Mexican. That was back in the days before my mother forced me to put on more sunscreen, so by the late summer, I would have quite a dark tan.

Hamar Fox
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 06:32 PM
I'd say about 70% of Americans who've talked about their ancestry in online threads and in real life have claimed to be part native American. They may be lying or they may be telling the truth, but without question more than half claim non-white heritage.

Silvid ancestry obviously explain why some white Americans deviate from European types in this direction:

http://celebucrap.typepad.com/.a/6a00e552403d2f8833011570df1273970c-320wi

As far as I know, Clint Black doesn't claim Native American heritage, but it's obviously there.

I don't think Americans are as mixed with their natives as Canadians or New Zealanders, though. They're possibly about equal to South Africans in terms of admixture. The only colonial European population I've never heard of being notably mixed with its natives are the Australians. I'm not sure how common claiming aborigine ancestry is in Australia, but I've never heard of it.

Æmeric
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 07:13 PM
I'd say about 70% of Americans who've talked about their ancestry in online threads and in real life have claimed to be part native American. They may be lying or they may be telling the truth, but without question more than half claim non-white heritage. I would say that for at least 95% it is hearsay, just a myth that cannot be backed up by any documentation. The strongest evidence I have for Silvid ancestry is a photo of a great-great-grandmother, taken after she was 60, having lived her life as a farmwoman between the 37 & 38 latitudes north - about the same as Spain or Southern Italy. But she doesn't look any dodgier then Thomas McGee, who was born in Ireland. And her genealogical record doesn't support Silvid ancestry, though I admit it is incomplete due to the lose of records over the centuries.


Silvid ancestry obviously explain why some white Americans deviate from European types in this direction: http://celebucrap.typepad.com/.a/6a00e552403d2f8833011570df1273970c-320wi

As far as I know, Clint Black doesn't claim Native American heritage, but it's obviously there. Why does he look Silvid? Remember, as a Southerner much of Black's ancestry will most likely go back to some of the darker areas of Britain, such as the West Country & Wales. There have been threads here devoted to exotic looking Brits, many of whom were Welsh.


I don't think Americans are as mixed with their natives as Canadians or New Zealanders, though. The Canadian equivalent of Cherokee is Cree. I have heard that Russell Crowe is part Maori, don't know if it is true.


They're possibly about equal to South Africans in terms of admixture. I think in those cases it is Malay & Asian Indian, not Capoid.
The only colonial European population I've never heard of being notably mixed with its natives are the Australians. I'm not sure how common claiming aborigine ancestry is in Australia, but I've never heard of it.

Why would anyone want to claim Aussie Abo ancestry? They are barely humanoid.
Most of the gene flow between races in the Neo-Europes was from the Europids to the natives. Which is why most North American Indians have some White blood, especially in the East. The same in Australia.


http://northboundtradingcompany.com/shop/images/greyowl/grey_owl_web.gif

^ This is an Englishman named Archibald Belaney, who passed himself off as a Indian called Grey Owl in Canada.


http://mises.org/images4/IronEyesCody.jpg

^ Iron Eyes Cody, one of the most famous Indians during the latter 20th century in America. In actuality was the son of Sicilian immigrants & his real name was Oscar de Corti.

SpearBrave
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 07:22 PM
I'd say about 70% of Americans who've talked about their ancestry in online threads and in real life have claimed to be part native American. They may be lying or they may be telling the truth, but without question more than half claim non-white heritage.


Where are the facts that back this up.:reyesw
People who live in glass houses should not throw stones, as I know there is plenty of race mixing in almost any country these days. That is a sad fact and even a further reason why we should be not promoting such BS as this. Further more I think it is very rude, as you don't see too many Americans combing the Internet to post race mixing threads about the other countries represented here.

Yet, out of the many people I know and have met many do not claim such things. While I have heard few times of the rumor Injun princess, most of these stories do not have merit as their ancestors arrived here long after the tribes had been subjugated. Also given the fact that it was not considered a good thing to be part Injun and most European settlers had very little contact with them even in colonial times.

When people read stories like the one that started this they want to be like these celebrities, so they claim to be like them. What I honestly think is that multiculturalist promote mixed people as that promotes their agenda. I remember just a short while ago on TV you only had a few shows that even had negroes on them, now almost every show is full of them. Do any of you remember if their were negroes on Leave it to Beaver, Happy Days, The Honeymooners, Perry Mason, Maxwell Smart, The Beverly Hillbillies, Petty Coat Junction, Green Acres, Family Affair, Dragnet, and a whole host of others.

Hamar Fox
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 07:48 PM
Why does he look Silvid? Remember, as a Southerner much of Black's ancestry will most likely go back to some of the darker areas of Britain, such as the West Country & Wales. There have been threads here devoted to exotic looking Brits, many of whom were Welsh.

It's his eyes mainly, but also the long features. It's not something I see in Europe (Mongoloid ancestry in Eastern Europe tends to manifest differently). I've been to (North) Wales a couple of times, and I didn't see many exotic looking people. I doubt those types are common enough to seriously influence the population of the Southern States. I do know a lot of lists of 'exotic Brits' list people of non-British descent (Racial Reality is the worst culprit).


The Canadian equivalent of Cherokee is Cree. I have heard that Russell Crowe is part Maori, don't know if it is true.

The Native/Settler ratio in both those countries was higher than in America (especially taking 19th century immigration to the US into account), which I think explains it.


I think in those cases it is Malay & Asian Indian, not Capoid.

That's what I meant and should have said. Both groups had a higher status than Africans. Letters from the Cape by Lady Lucie Duff Gordon mentions a lot of mixture going on between all ethnicities in the 19th century, however. And of course there's Sandra Laing.

Ocko
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 08:04 PM
Yes Americans look differently than europeans. But what is it that looks differently? It certainly is not their racial features. You can find them in any european country.

What looks very differently is their clothing, their grooming, their postures and their behaviour. But those things are software, not hardware.

America develops its own particular culture and is way more dynamic and active than europe. Those attitudes may in the future lead to a difference in appearance as different features will be considered alphamale / alphafemale. But I guess that may take generations to get there.

I don't think one can have celebrities as proof as they are selected by jewish Hollywood and might be selected according to the Rothschild agenda of race mixing for white people and purity for jewish people. That example I consider as skewed.

Einarr
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 10:38 PM
I think some of the more 'exotic' traits in the British Isles show up among the Celts & the Celts (Welsh, Scots & Ulster Scots, and to a lesser extend the Gaelic Irish) were a significant part of the makeup of the original settlers in the US.

Perhaps a minority, but I wouldn't say I've seen much of that. Zeta-Jones for example is part Greek, so if you are basing some of your Welsh opinion with her as an example, then it is unfounded.


I agree with Hamar, Clint Black has a suspicious appearance which definitely sets off the amerindian alert for me. The Johnny Depp's, Elvis's, Fred Ward's (Tremors guy), Clint Walker's (Cheyenne), Megan Fox's, and so on. All of these people and those like them show amerindian admixture.

Another subject, Crowe. I believe that Russell Crowe is part Maori. He has always looked a bit odd to me, especially when his hair is long. His head/face + hair gives me a foreign vibe. Then I read that he actually is supposedly part Maori, and I thought 'well that doesn't really surprise me.' It is only minor of course, as he is obviously predominantly European in descent.

Windsor
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 11:05 PM
I'd say about 70% of Americans who've talked about their ancestry in online threads and in real life have claimed to be part native American. They may be lying or they may be telling the truth, but without question more than half claim non-white heritage.

Silvid ancestry obviously explain why some white Americans deviate from European types in this direction:

http://celebucrap.typepad.com/.a/6a00e552403d2f8833011570df1273970c-320wi

As far as I know, Clint Black doesn't claim Native American heritage, but it's obviously there.

I don't think Americans are as mixed with their natives as Canadians or New Zealanders, though. They're possibly about equal to South Africans in terms of admixture. The only colonial European population I've never heard of being notably mixed with its natives are the Australians. I'm not sure how common claiming aborigine ancestry is in Australia, but I've never heard of it.

Central & South American Mestizos are darker because Central & South Amerindians tend to be much darker than those from the eastern and northern United States and Canada and because northern Europeans tend to be much lighter than Spaniards.

Windsor
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 11:10 PM
Another subject, Crowe. I believe that Russell Crowe is part Maori. He has always looked a bit odd to me, especially when his hair is long. His head/face + hair gives me a foreign vibe. Then I read that he actually is supposedly part Maori, and I thought 'well that doesn't really surprise me.' It is only minor of course, as he is obviously predominantly European in descent.

Russell Crowe is of Norwegian and Maori ancestry: http://www.nndb.com/people/782/000022716/

Notable ancestry: Norwegian, Maori

Russell On His Heritage:

He says he's "one-sixteenth Maori; I'm registered on the Maori voting poll in New Zealand." Detour Oct. 97

On racism: I've seen racism from both sides of the fence. My Dad was a hotel manager for a while, back in New Zealand: the nickname for the hotel was The Flying Jug - this place was famous for fights. So I've seen racism from Maori to Samoan, Tongan to Maori, not just white to black. My maternal grandfather's mother was Maori. I have an option to vote on the Maori roll. And I've been bashed in New Zealand for being white. You can't stop and say, 'Excuse me, my grandfather's mother was a Maori.' " Juice magazine May 93

http://www.maximumcrowe.net/indexruss.html

Crowe's maternal great-great-grandmother was Māori, and his paternal grandfather was from Wrexham, Wales; Crowe also has Scottish and Norwegian ancestry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Crowe

Windsor
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 11:19 PM
Herbert Spencer on the Americans

Herbert Spencer, the great British exponent of social Darwinism, said on a trip to New York in 1882:

The eventual mixture of the allied varieties of the Aryan race forming the population will produce a finer type of man than has hitherto existed, and a type of man more plastic, more adaptable, more capable of undergoing the modifications needed for a complete social life. . . . Americans may reasonably look forward to a time when they will have produced a civilization grander than any the world has known.

http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=337&chapter=12310&layout=html&Itemid=27

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Frederick Childe Hassam, US impressionist painter, etcher, and illustrator
http://www.safran-arts.com/42day/art/art4oct/art1017.html

— Tanagra (The Builders, New York)

The title Tanagra (The Builders, New York) refers to a Hellenistic statuette a woman holds directly in front of a narrow view out a window where construction workers are raising a skyscraper. The painting is from The Window Series that Hassam began in 1899 with Improvisation and continued until the early 1920s.

Hassam wrote a note (with improvised spelling corrected here) to accompany the painting when it was exhibited, explaining the two-part title by saying,

"Tanagra, the blond Aryan girl holding a Tanagra figurine in her hand against the background of New York buildings, one in the process of construction and the Chinese lilies springing up from the bulbs, is intended to typify and symbolize growth, the growth of a great city, hence the subtitle The Builders, New York."

This brief passage indicates a complex association of thoughts. One is the idea of social Darwinism which suggests that human beings evolve in the social and cultural spheres, just as Darwin taught was true of the physical evolution of species. This "new species" evolving is the US woman, destined to guard and protect civilization in what would be known as the "American Century."

Like so many of his contemporaries, Hassam believed in Aryan superiority, but here genetic advantage is enhanced by associations with the most ancient Greek and Asian civilizations.

In Tanagra the woman merges with the oriental screen through her gown, which mimics the swallow and chrysanthemum pattern and colors. Her figure also echoes the delicate statuette, one from a cache of graceful female figurines unearthed in the village of Tanagra in Boethia, in east-central Greece, in 1874 and immediately heralded as the pinnacle of antique art.

Well-dressed young women in various positions, usually standing or sitting, are the main subject matter of the terra-cotta statuettes. On occasion the figures pull their garments around them closely, veiling the face, or they may wear a hat or hold a fan or mirror. The Tanagra figurines were all manufactured with molds, but the use of separate molds in combination (different arms, heads) lent interesting variation. The figures were all originally covered with a white coating and then painted.

The garments were generally bright shades, blue, red, pink, violet, yellow, and brown. The flesh was reddish or pinkish, the hair auburn, the lips red, and the eyes blue. Gilt and black were used for details. The delicate pieces were widely imitated intheir own time, with Tanagra work spanning the period from about 340 BC to 150 BC.

The earliest figurines unearthed from the necropolis along the Asopos River focus on divinities; later pieces represent a variety of familial and domestic themes, particularly the female Graces. The finest examples, from the late 4th and 3rd centuries, compare favorably with the life-size work of the great masters of classical Greece, which they not infrequently imitated. The authentic statuettes that survive are missing their white coating and bright paint. On their discovery they became enormously popular and were extensively and expertly forged, even with paint.

The sprouted bulbs on the windowsill and the full-blown hybrid roses on the table echo the themes of growth and breeding, a reminder that the people of the US must be worthy inheritors of the future they are building. They must be bred and cultivated to be careful guardians of the world's inheritance of civilization.

Coming in 1918 as the United States was fighting to defend Europe, Tanagra grows out of Hassam's feeling that the nation's values and culture were threatened.

By focusing on the legacy of civilization and stressing the slow evolution required for its refinements, he encoded his fear that the spirit of the US's founders was being diluted through immigration.

The number of foreign-born people in the US doubled between 1880 and 1930 to more than fourteen million. The polyglot populations of big cities like New York and Chicago sharply altered the nation's cultural profile, despite the desire of most immigrants to assimilate as soon as possible.

The fear of cultural fragmentation and social upheaval mounted each year until the Immigration Act of 1924, which drastically reduced the number of new persons admitted. The law also froze the ethnic status quo, saying, for instance, that if 20% of the US's population was made up of people of Irish origin, then only 20% of the new immigrants each year could come from Ireland.

This formula guaranteed that Anglo-Saxon dominance in the United States would not be further eroded. In Tanagra, Hassam cautions that social change may happen quickly through immigration and skyscrapers, but the growth of civilization is evolutionary, requiring many generations.

He subscribed to a kind of cultural Manifest Destiny, echoing the ideas of Herbert Spencer, the great British exponent of social Darwinism, who said on a trip to New York in 1882:

"The eventual mixture of the allied varieties of the Aryan race forming the population will produce a finer type of man than has hitherto existed, and a type of man more plastic, more adaptable, more capable of undergoing the modifications needed for a complete social life. . . . Americans may reasonably look forward to a time when they will have produced a civilization grander than any the world has known."

This optimistic view of 1882 seemed to Hassam in 1918 in danger of being overtaken by the rapid pace of change.

Æmeric
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 11:34 PM
I agree with Hamar, Clint Black has a suspicious appearance which definitely sets off the amerindian alert for me. The Johnny Depp's, Elvis's, Fred Ward's (Tremors guy), Clint Walker's (Cheyenne), Megan Fox's, and so on. All of these people and those like them show amerindian admixture.
Fred Ward looks weird for an American. He is not typical. Walker is supposely part Cherokee - I don't think he looks Indian.


http://www.ipodshows.net/elvis%20and%20parents.jpg

http://s3.amazonaws.com/hottopic_shockhound_production/attachments/2508/Elvis1937.jpg

Elvis & his parents. I guess his Indian ancestry would have to come from his mother, but she doesn't look outwardly part-Indian to me.


http://www.elvispresleymusic.com.au/pictures/img/elvis/presleys/gladys_parents.jpg

^ Gladys Presley's parents.



http://www.olsen-twins-news.com/show/pre-plastic-surgery-pic-of-megan-fox-megan-fox-olsen-twins-news-79f3043794e5bb5cede72aedaadb5151.jpg

^ Megan Fox before the plastic surgeries. She doesn't look so 'exotic' in her natural state.

I grew up around a lot of Mexicans & American Indians (Apache, Navajo, Tohono) I'm not seeing the injun in most of these supposed Mestizos.



http://a8.vietbao.vn/images/vn65/van-hoa/65109835-images1442162_adrian_grenier_CURL_POWER. jpg

^ Adrien Grenier. His biological father was an Apache, though apparently not a fullblood. But Grenier does have an unusual look for White American & I suspected he had something non-Europid in his ancestry, though I assumed Mexican or Hispanic-Carribbean.

Einarr
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 11:44 PM
Nice that you found those pictures. The one of Gladys Presley's parents is interesting, as the father stands out immediately to me. Must have come from him.

Forest_Dweller
Sunday, August 8th, 2010, 11:47 PM
Is it really so important if some Americans have trace amounts of Native Indian blood? On the majority of these people you wouldn't really be able to tell and if they keep breeding with europeans surely these genes will be more or less diminished. There are people who can look entirely white in bone structure and head size, but still have trace ammounts of foreign blood.

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 12:05 AM
In the book "Elvis and Gladys" - Elaine Dundy discovered the Presley and Smith family tree to be a mixed bag of ethnic lineage from Native American Indian to Elvis' Jewish ancestry.

This is what Dundy discovered in her research: "... Nancy Burdine was married to Abner Tacket. Nancy was of particular interest to Gladys for her Jewish heritage, often remembering Nancy's sons for their Jewish names Sidney and Jerome. Nancy and Abner had a daughter Martha (Tacket) who married White Mansell. The daughter which they named Octavia nicknamed Doll who was Elvis' maternal grandmother."

http://www.elvispresleynews.com/JewishElvis.html

In popular culture, Elvis Presley has become a genetic construct, driven by his genes to his unlikely destiny. In the 1985 biography Elvis and Gladys, for example, Elaine Dundy attributed Presley's success to the genetic characteristics of his mother's multiethnic family. "Genetically speaking," she wrote, "what produced Elvis was quite a mixture. To his "French Norman blood was added Scots-Irish blood," as well as "the Indian strain supplying the mystery and the Jewish strain supplying spectacular showmanship." All this combined with his "circumstances, social conditioning, and religious upbringing . . . [produced] the enigma that was Elvis."

Another Elvis biographer, Albert Goldman, focused on his subject's "bad" genes, describing him in Elvis as "the victim of a fatal hereditary disposition." Using language reminiscent of the stones of the Jukes and Kallikaks, the degenerate families of the early eugenics movement, Goldman attributed Elvis' character to ancestors who constituted "a distinctive breed of southern yeomanry" commonly known as hillbillies. A genealogy research organization, Goldman said, had traced Presley's lineage back nine generations to a nineteenth-century "coward, deserter, and bigamist." In Goldman's narrative, this genetic heritage explained Elvis' downfall: his addiction to drugs and alcohol, his emotional disorders, and his premature death were all in his genes. His fate was a readout of his DNA.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_n3_v55/ai_16898791/

Elvis Was the Perfect Aryan Example - Topix

Posted in the Elvis Presley Forum

http://www.topix.com/forum/who/elvis-presley/TMQ99AM0D574JEAAL/p6

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 12:15 AM
http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/theking.htm

Each of us stands on the shoulders of our ancestors. So too Elvis Presley; who was perhaps one of, if not the most famous Rock n’ Roller of the 20th Century. He was in his lifetime celebrated around the world, and remains the undisputed King of Rock n Roll even today. His genealogy provides us with a fascinating view of the influences that helped form his unique character. We begin our story with Elvis' maternal heritage through his mother, Gladys. We wish to credit Elaine Dundy and her fine book, Elvis and Gladys, for the following narrative:

"Elvis's great-great-great-grandmother, Morning White Dove (1800-1835), was a full-blooded Cherokee Indian. She married William Mansell, a settler in western Tennessee, in 1818. William's father, Richard Mansell, had been a soldier in the Revolutionary War. Mansell is a French name--its literal translation is the man from Le Mans. The Mansells migrated from Norman France to Scotland, and then later to Ireland. In the 18th century the family came to the American Colonies.

The appellation "white" in Morning Dove's name refers to her status as a friendly Indian. Early American settlers called peaceable Indians "white," while "red" was the designation for warring Indians or those who sided with the British in the Revolutionary War. It was common for male settlers in the West to marry "white" Indians as there was a scarcity of females on the American frontier.

Like many young men in the American Southwest, William Mansell fought with Andrew Jackson in the Indian Wars of the early nineteenth century. He fought with Old Hickory in Alabama, at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend, and later in Florida too. Returning to Tennessee from the Indian Wars, William Mansell married Morning White Dove. Elaine Dundy says of the marriage, he (William Mansell) gained "age-old Indian knowledge of the American terrain; of forests and parries; of crops and game; of protection against the climate; of medicine lore, healing plants as well as something in which the Indians were expert--the setting of broken bones." Moreover, added to Elvis's lineage were Morning White Dove's ruddy Indian complexion and fine line of cheek.

Like many other settlers, the newlyweds migrated to Alabama from Tennessee to claim lands garnered in the Indian Wars. The Mansells settled in Marion County in northeast Alabama near the Mississippi border. The Scots-Irish, like William Mansell, were the predominant settlers of Alabama. One-tenth of the population in colonial America was Scots-Irish (Celts) at the time of the American Revolution. And a very interesting group they were. The Anglican Reverend Woodmason had this to say about the Scots-Irish women of William Mansell's day.

"They wore nothing but thin shifts and a thin petticoat underneath. They are sensual and promiscuous. They draw their shift as tight as possible to the body, and pin it close, to show the roundness of their breasts, and slender waists (for they are generally fined shaped) and draw their petticoat close to their hips to show the fineness of their limbs--so that they might as well be in puri naturalibus."

The Scots-Irish in America were a passionate community living close to the earth. They disdained the niceties of their British neighbors. Of this Reverend Woodmason had to say," they delight in their present low, lazy, sluttish, heathenish, hellish life, and seem not desirous of changing it. These people despise knowledge, and instead of honoring a learned person...they despise and ill-treat them..."

There were other views on the passionate lifestyle of the Scots-Irish, however. James Hall of Philadelphia described a young, Scots-Irish frontiersman in this way. "He strode among us with the step of Achilles...I thought I could see in that man, one of the progenitors of an unconquerable race; his face presented the traces of a spirit quick to resent--he had the will to dare, and the power to execute, there was something in his look which bespoke a disdain of control, and an absence of constraint in all his movements indicating an habitual independence of thought and action."

Think of Elvis in these words: the will to dare and the power to execute, a disdain of control in all his movements indicating a habitual independence of thought and action. This is the Scots-Irish heritage from which Elvis Presley issued. In his genes he carried an independence of blood, the will to dare and the power to execute. Many influences formed Elvis Presley besides the genealogical, yet this description has a haunting accuracy.

Morning White Dove and William Mansell prospered in Alabama. Their land was fertile and they built a substantial house near the town of Hamilton. They had three offspring, the eldest of who was John Mansell, born in 1828, and Elvis's great-great grandfather.

Elaine Dundy has this to say of John Mansell. He was "half Scots-Irish, half Indian, (but) seems to have grown up wholly "wild Injun." Although by the time he was twenty-two he had married Elizabeth "Betsy" Gilmore and they would have some nine or ten children together, "settling down" can hardly be the phrase for what he was devoting his life to. John was one of those sexually overactive men who seem intent on populating the universe with children. Both his legitimate and illegitimate descendants still abound in northwest Alabama and in northeast Mississippi."

John Mansell squandered the legacy of the family farm. In 1880 he abdicated to Oxford, Mississippi, changing his name to Colonel Lee Mansell. His sons left Hamilton to seek their fortunes in the town of Saltillo, Mississippi, near Tupelo, the birth place of Elvis Presley. The third of John Mansell's sons, White Mansell, became the patriarch of the family with John Mansell's removal to Oxford. White Mansell was Elvis's great-grandfather.

White Mansell married Martha Tackett, a neighbor in Saltillo. Of note is the religion, Jewish, of Martha's mother, Nancy Tackett. It was unusual to find a Jewish settler in Mississippi during this time. All accounts point to White Mansell as a hard-working, upright, provider for a clan increasingly besieged by economic factors beyond their control. The Civil War fractured the Southern economy and soul. Cotton, the backbone of the South, was subject to financial depressions such as the Panic of 1890.

Additionally, the deep South suffered numerous outbreaks of yellow fever during the mid-nineteenth century. Add to this the extraordinary number of fatalities suffered in not only the Civil War but also the Mexican War, and the devastation of Southern culture in the nineteenth century was complete. Like many other Southern families, the Mansells were stretched to the breaking point. They sold their lands and became sharecroppers. The prosperity of the South, along with the fortunes of the family, had plummet.

However the life of a sharecropper was not unremittingly grim. They had music and dancing and the comfort of religion. Tenant farmers, sharecroppers, were often invited to the owner's house on Saturday nights for square dancing and parties. Sundays there were picnics on the ground after church. Although there was little hope of escaping poverty, it was a life of community with some gayety.

Enter now Doll Mansell, Gladys Presley's mother and Elvis's grandmother, of whom Elaine Dundy had this to say. "And the gayest of all the girls at these gatherings, the acknowledged beauty, was the slim, exquisite, tubercular, porcelain-featured, spoiled third daughter of White Mansell...Doll." She was a delicate beauty and the apple of her father's eye. She did not marry until twenty-seven, and then to her first cousin, Robert Smith.

Bob Smith was the son of White Mansell's sister, Ann. Ann Mansell was a striking woman of dignity and stature, a commanding presence until her death at eighty-six. Bob Smith and Doll Mansell, Elvis Presley's maternal grandparents, were first cousins. This was a genetic intensification, a doubling, of the family lineage. The marrying of first cousins, with its intensities and possibility for dysfunction, was common in insulated communities of the agrarian South. Like Doll, Bob Smith was very handsome, his Indian blood evidenced in a noble brow, good bone structure, even features and dark, deep-set eyes. His black hair was dark as coal.

Doll would be bedridden from tuberculosis throughout the marriage. Like his uncle and father-in-law, White Mansell, Bob Smith labored long and hard as a sharecropper, and occasional moonshiner, to support his invalid wife and eight children. The noose of poverty tightened on the family, and on Elvis's mother, Gladys.

Elaine Dundy: "Genetically speaking, what produced Elvis is quite a mixture. At the beginning, to French Norman blood was added Scots-Irish blood. And when you then add to these the Indian strain supplying the mystery and the Jewish strain supplying spectacular showmanship, and you overlay all this with his circumstances, social conditioning, and religious upbringing--specifically his Southern poor white, First Assembly of God upbringing--you have the enigma that was Elvis."

Less is known of Elvis's paternal heritage through his father, Vernon. The first Pressley in America was an Anglo-Irishman, a Celt, David Pressley, who settled with his son, Andrew Pressley, Senior, at New Bern, North Carolina in 1740. Not until the third generation is there significant historical record of the Pressleys, beginning with Andrew Pressley, Junior. Andrew fought in the last major battle of the Revolutionary War in the South, the Battle of Eutah Springs, South Carolina, 1781.

The history of the Presleys picks up again with Dunnan Pressley, Junior, in the middle of the 19th century. Dunnan married Martha Jane Wesson at Fulton, Mississippi, the seat of Itawamba County, in 1861. Like many others, Dunnan was probably drawn to the region by cheap land offered to veterans of the Mexican War. In those days richly timbered acreage went for twenty-five cents an acre. Dunnan and Jane had two daughters, Rosalinda and Rosella, Elvis's great-grandmother.

The Civil War broke out and Dunnan joined the Confederate Army--twice! On each enlistment he collected a three hundred dollar bounty for his horse, and each time he quickly deserted his regimen. Having twice deserted honor and duty with the Confederacy, Dunnan next abandoned his wife and two daughters. Mrs. Robie Stacy, his granddaughter, had this to about it. "My mother told me that when she and her sister were just little babies, their grandparents had taken them to church one Sunday and when they came back, their father, Dunnan, was gone. He went back to his other wife and child." Apparently bigamy can be added to Dunnan's character defects.

Dunnan Presley's daughter, Rosella, internalized the abandonment and re-enacted it throughout her life. Beginning at age nineteen and continuing over 28 years, Rosella bore nine illegitimate children, never once identifying her lovers or making any claim on them. The children never knew of their fathers as Rosella stubbornly, and resourcefully, supported them through sharecropping. Mrs. Doshia Steele, one of Rosella's daughters, said this of her plight. "I can't remember anyone ever talking about who our father was...It was a big mystery when we were children. My mother just didn't talk about it."

Elvis's paternal line continued through Rosella's son, Jessie Presley (1896-1973), Elvis's grandfather. As would be expected, J.D. Presley re-enacted his father abandonment by making weak bonds with his own children. His brother, Calhoun Presley, had this to say about J.D. "For most of his life Jessie drifted from one job to another all over Mississippi, Kentucky, and Missouri. He was a sharecropper in the summer and a lumberjack in the winter. Jessie worked hard and played hard. He was an honest man, but he enjoyed drinking whiskey and was often involved in drunken bar brawls. As a result, Jessie spent many a night sobering up in jail.

He was a slim, handsome man about six feet tall with raven black hair. I reckon Elvis inherited his looks from Jessie. He was also a dapper dresser. Clothes were one the most important things in his life. We used to call him "the lawyer" because he dressed so smart. He loved fine clothes. His favorite suit was a tailor-made brown one with pearl buttons. He saved up for months until he had enough money to buy it--twenty-four dollars. He paraded around town like a peacock, with his head in the air and a cane in his hand. Owning expensive clothes was his only ambition in life. He hated poverty and he didn't want people to know he was poor. He felt that if he wore a tailor-made suit, people would look up to him."

In 1913 J.D. married Minnie Mae Hood, "Grandma Dodger," who was to live with Elvis throughout his adult life. In 1916 their first child was born, Vernon Presley, Elvis Presley's father. It was toward Vernon that much of Jessie's abandoning was directed. Vernon was scared of J.D., any transgression of his father's rules could provoke a beating. This, combined with Jessie's drunken and philandering ways, caused permanent harm to their relationship. In many respects it was as if Vernon had no father as Jessie repeated his own father abandonment on his children. This theme of father abandonment reverberates throughout Elvis's paternal lineage. It is a strong clue to the abandonment that Elvis felt, and perpetrated, in his own life.

Character is like a symphony, many themes and strains go into its making. In Elvis we see the landscape of America, the erotic spontaneity of Scots-Irish settlers and the facial lines of Indian warriors; there is the dignity and dissolution of the ante-bellum South, as well as the theme of love of family and its abandonment. Combined with his religious upbringing, a subject deserving its own consideration, Elvis's genealogy holds up a mirror with which to see "Elvis" the man.

http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/theking.htm

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 12:18 AM
Is it really so important if some Americans have trace amounts of Native Indian blood? On the majority of these people you wouldn't really be able to tell and if they keep breeding with europeans surely these genes will be more or less diminished. There are people who can look entirely white in bone structure and head size, but still have trace ammounts of foreign blood.

Who is a Cherokee? Many Americans have Indians in the family tree

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/21743

As we know, over the decades and centuries, people from many nations and cultures have arrived North America. The mixing of different ethnic groups here has been a fact of life for generations. Many of us can count at least a half-dozen or more different nationalities and ethnic groups in our family background.

And the more this blending has continued with each generation, the more likely that Cherokee or other Indian DNA is within many of today´s American families.

Many don't know about a Cherokee or Indian ancestor because that side of the family sometimes may not have detailed written records. Maybe the family didn't talk about it or the connection was forgotten or overlooked.

In addition, some families may prefer to self-identify as "white," "black" or "brown" as a primary ethnic and racial background.

However, many of these families might technically be "mixed-race" of European and Cherokee, African-American and Indian or Hispanic and Native American. Because of intermixing over the generations, there are certainly now people who are also a mix of Asian and Native American.

Some tribes use what is called the "blood quantum" to identify who has enough Indian "blood" in them to be tribal members. Often, one-sixteenth blood quantum will qualify a person for membership in the official tribal rolls.

So, if grandparents, great-grandparents or great-great-grandparents had some significant measure of Indian blood, based in these blood quantum measurements, a person is considered a tribal member.

To say that someone who is one-eighth is more Cherokee or Native American than a person who is one-sixteenth makes us wonder about the validity of looking at this in terms of percentages.

Most likely, a certain genetic background does not affect a person strictly by percentages. If you are one-quarter, one-eighth, one-sixteenth, one-thirty-second, one-sixty-fourth, does that mean the genetic history within you, which goes back into the ancient past, is not valid?

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 12:22 AM
Who is a Cherokee? Many Americans have Indians in the family tree

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/21743

As we know, over the decades and centuries, people from many nations and cultures have arrived North America. The mixing of different ethnic groups here has been a fact of life for generations. Many of us can count at least a half-dozen or more different nationalities and ethnic groups in our family background. And the more this blending has continued with each generation, the more likely that Cherokee or other Indian DNA is within many of today's American families.

Take a DNA test to find out how much Native American Indian blood you have.

The question of Indian "blood quantum," how much Indian blood a person has, is a hot-button issue among Native Americans. Many in Native American communities believe it to be a racist and self-defeating question which only promotes cultural genocide. As put in the article, "The American Indian Blood Quantum," published on the Native-Languages website, "Nobody makes African-Americans prove their entire family line" to confirm their blackness. Yet blood quantum is the standard used to determine eligibility for Indian citizenship. To find out how much Indian blood you have, you can take a DNA test and/or conduct genealogical research.

SpearBrave
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 12:32 AM
^ :lmfao:

Really, This is the biggest bunch of bull I have seen. Do you really believe that is true.


Who is a Cherokee? Many Americans have Indians in the family tree


Are you sure about this and given the fact that most of the European immigration occurred after the Injuns were subjugated.

Anselm
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 12:45 AM
Perhaps a minority, but I wouldn't say I've seen much of that. Zeta-Jones for example is part Greek, so if you are basing some of your Welsh opinion with her as an example, then it is unfounded.


I agree with Hamar, Clint Black has a suspicious appearance which definitely sets off the amerindian alert for me. The Johnny Depp's, Elvis's, Fred Ward's (Tremors guy), Clint Walker's (Cheyenne), Megan Fox's, and so on. All of these people and those like them show amerindian admixture.

Another subject, Crowe. I believe that Russell Crowe is part Maori. He has always looked a bit odd to me, especially when his hair is long. His head/face + hair gives me a foreign vibe. Then I read that he actually is supposedly part Maori, and I thought 'well that doesn't really surprise me.' It is only minor of course, as he is obviously predominantly European in descent.

Zeta is merely a Greek name. Her father is Welsh and her mother is Irish. The Greek rumor is from transcript Zeta-Jones has refuted.

Anselm
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 01:07 AM
I've never taken a DNA test, but I can trace ancestors on my mother's side going back to 1750. No mention in any records of marrying an indian. They usually would mention that.

The Scottish side of my family came later, and their job was to push the indians out west, so I doubt they'd marry with them. Racial isolates mixed with injuns. It happened, but it wasn't the norm.

Since 1980 or so there's been a lot more mixing. There were laws preventing marrige to indians or black

When I go to NYC people assume I'm from the British Isles until they hear my hillbilly accent.

"A sizable number of the early indentured servants in the British American colonies were brought over from the Indian subcontinent by the British East India Company.[7] Anti-miscegenation laws discouraging interracial marriage between white Americans and non-whites affected South Asian immigrants as early as the 17th century.[citation needed] For example, a Eurasian daughter born to an Indian father and Irish mother in Maryland in 1680 was classified as a "mulatto" and sold into slavery.[7] Anti-miscegenation laws there continued into the early 20th century. For example, the Bengali revolutionary Tarak Nath Das's white American wife, Mary K. Das, was stripped of her American citizenship for her marriage to an "alien ineligible for citizenship."[7] In 1918, there was considerable controversy in Arizona when an Indian farmer B. K. Singh married the sixteen year-old daughter of one of his white tenants.[8]"

Wynterwade
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 01:13 AM
5 Points I'd like to make-

1) This question cannot be answered because it assumes that all Americans have a certain look.

2) In fact, we probably have every look in Europe and every combination of those looks in our population. Certain ancestries predominate in certain regions. And in the cities it is usually more mixed European.

3) I highly doubt very many people take the time to look up their ancestry because it took me, for example, about 300 hours to do so. It is very difficult to find out exactly where you come from.

4) The Hollywood stars are picked from a rainbow of characters; directors like exotic looking people and they do not represent the look of all Americans.

5) Also many of the Americans who are of mixed Indian ancestry probably are only 1% or less Indian. This is because the intermarrying happed predominately in the very early 1700's and 1600's which was something like 10-15 generations ago. If you have an Indian 10 generations back, your percentage Indian drops to a tenth of a percent. Which is negligible.

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 01:23 AM
I've never taken a DNA test, but I can trace ancestors on my mother's side going back to 1750. No mention in any records of marrying an indian. They usually would mention that.

The Scottish side of my family came later, and their job was to push the indians out west, so I doubt they'd marry with them. Racial isolates mixed with injuns. It happened, but it wasn't the norm.

Since 1980 or so there's been a lot more mixing. There were laws preventing marrige to indians or black

When I go to NYC people assume I'm from the British Isles until they hear my hillbilly accent.

"A sizable number of the early indentured servants in the British American colonies were brought over from the Indian subcontinent by the British East India Company.[7] Anti-miscegenation laws discouraging interracial marriage between white Americans and non-whites affected South Asian immigrants as early as the 17th century.[citation needed] For example, a Eurasian daughter born to an Indian father and Irish mother in Maryland in 1680 was classified as a "mulatto" and sold into slavery.[7] Anti-miscegenation laws there continued into the early 20th century. For example, the Bengali revolutionary Tarak Nath Das's white American wife, Mary K. Das, was stripped of her American citizenship for her marriage to an "alien ineligible for citizenship."[7] In 1918, there was considerable controversy in Arizona when an Indian farmer B. K. Singh married the sixteen year-old daughter of one of his white tenants.[8]"

The provisions in § 3 of the Citizenship Act of March 2, 1907, that any American woman who marries a foreigner takes the nationality of her husband, is not limited as to place or effect prior to the termination of the marital relation.

Marriage of an American woman with a foreigner may involve national complications of like kind as physical expatriation may involve and is therefore within the control of Congress.

Marriage of an American woman with a foreigner is tantamount to voluntary expatriation, and Congress may, without exceeding its powers, make it so, as it has in fact done, by the Act of March 2, 1907.

MACKENZIE V. HARE, 239 U.S. 299 (1915)

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 01:31 AM
5) Also many of the Americans who are of mixed Indian ancestry probably are only 1% or less Indian. This is because the intermarrying happed predominately in the very early 1700's and 1600's which was something like 10-15 generations ago. If you have an Indian 10 generations back, your percentage Indian drops to a tenth of a percent. Which is negligible.

Mixed marriage rates rise in Australia

Aboriginal mixed marriages on rise

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/apr/06/aborigines-australia-marriage

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/national/national/general/aboriginal-mixed-marriages-on-rise/1482828.aspx

Most Aboriginal men and women intermarry with non-indigenous Australians, new research has shown.

Analysis of the 2006 census reveals that 52 per cent of Aboriginal men and 55 per cent of Aboriginal women were married to non-Aboriginal Australians.

In Australia's larger east coast cities the intermarriage rate was well above 70 per cent; in Sydney as many as nine out of 10 university-educated Aborigines had a non-indigenous partner.

In the Northern Territory which has the highest proportion of Aboriginal residents far fewer choose partners from a non-indigenous background.

In its capital city, Darwin, 33per cent of men and 45 per cent of women married non-Aboriginal partners, while in the outback just 2per cent of men and 5 per cent of women had taken a non-Aboriginal partner.

Yet, despite the growth in mixed marriages in Australia's urban centres, racist notions dating to the 19th century persist and children of mixed parentage are still described as ''half-caste'' or ''quarter-caste''.

The first indigenous person elected to the NSW Parliament, Linda Burney, said that, despite the figures, indigenous Australia was unlikely to disappear altogether.

"My mother was white, my father Aboriginal but I am Aboriginal. I have one child who is very fair, blue eyed and blonde and the other has a very similar dark complexion to me. Their father was an Aborigine with an English father and an Aboriginal mother," she said.

"It's not the way you look, it's not about the colour of your skin, it's about being accepted and understood as Aboriginal within the community."

Burney said that being "half-caste" was a way of survival well into the 1950s when, in NSW, Aborigines were required to wear a piece of leather around their necks, dubbed "dog tags", detailing the quantity of Aboriginal blood in their veins.

"If you weren't a full blood, you were exempted from the welfare act which meant you had freedom of movement, your kids could go to school and you could work," said Burney.

Despite the growing social mobility of some indigenous Australians, most Aborigines live in entrenched poverty, and their health is among the worst in the world.

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 01:52 AM
Native Americans...

Famous People Who Are Also Part Native American

*Angelina Jolie is 1/4 Iroquois from her mother: You can see it in the skin tone and cheeks

* Johnny Depp is part Cherokee: Johnny definitely looks it.

Other famous people with Amerindian roots include:

* Megan Fox (Cherokee)
* The Jonas Brothers (Cherokee)
* Chuck Norris (Cherokee)
* Carrie Underwood (Muskogee)
* Mandy Moore (Cherokee)
* Pete Wentz (Either Iroquois or Ojibway, I'm not sure which)

Obviously there's a lot more, but that's a sample.

Some other celebrities....

* Fergie (1/2 Aztec and 1/2 Scottish)
* Brandon Boyd of Incubus (1/2 Aztec and 1/2 Scottish)
* Jessica Biel (Choctaw)
* Cameron Diaz (Mother is Cherokee and German, Father is Cuban)
* Carmen Electra (Cherokee and Irish)
* Wayne Newton (Pohowtan/Cherokee)

http://s11.zetaboards.com/Metallichicks/topic/793572/1/

Photos: Angelina Jolie, Carrie Underwood, Megan Fox, Pete Wentz

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 02:02 AM
Brandon Boyd, Jessica Biel, Wayne Newton

SpearBrave
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 02:17 AM
@ Windsor is this thread supposed to be about the General American public or American celebrities?

It has long been known that celebrities do not represent the General American public and this is even more true for the last twenty years.;)

The media and Hollywood are both controlled by jews and these jews promote race mixing and multiculturalism. They therefor promote racially mixed people. Making them bad examples of the American Germanic population.

You can quote web pages all you want about the celebrities and their amount of Indian blood, but they do not represent a overall view of the American population. Given that, what is the point of this thread?

btw I have had my DNA done and it matches my ancestry perfectly.;)

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 02:19 AM
Mandy Moore (Cherokee)

Ethnicity: Jewish-English, Cherokee, Irish

Born to a mother of Jewish English ancestry and a father of Irish and Cherokee descent.

From a personal quote on IMDB she stated that she wasd raised a Catholic but had a Jewish Grandfather.

http://ethnicelebs.com/mandy-moore

Celebrities sharing the same heritage:

1. Val Kilmer
2. Dick Wolf
3. Kevin Costner
4. Mae West
5. Amanda Bynes
6. James Earl Jones
7. Jay Baruchel
8. Kevin Jonas
9. Joe Jonas
10. Elvis Presley
11. Jimi Hendrix
12. Quentin Tarantino
13. Harrison Ford
14. Johnny Depp
15. Vanessa Carlton

Kevin Costner

What Race or Ethnicity?: German, Irish, Cherokee

http://ethnicelebs.com/kevin-costner

Anne Hathaway

Ethnicity: Irish, French, Native American and German

http://ethnicelebs.com/anne-hathaway

Johnny Depp

Ethnicity: German, England, Irish, French, African and Cherokee

In an interview he stated that his great grandmother has a lot of Cherokee heritage.

From an interview in 2002 he stated that he was a mixture of German, Irish and Cherokee among other things.

There are some rumors on the internet that Depp also has Lebanese heritage, though this is not confirmed.

http://ethnicelebs.com/johnny-depp

Celebrities sharing the same heritage:

1. Rebecca Gayheart
2. Kevin Costner
3. Eartha Kitt
4. Charisma Carpenter
5. Sarah Larson
6. Anne Hathaway
7. Kim Basinger
8. Ciara
9. Val Kilmer
10. Bam Margera
11. Nicky Hilton
12. Taylor Lautner
13. Chrystina Sayers
14. Meagan Good
15. Robert De Niro

Nicole Kidman

Mother is Roman Catholic, father Roman Catholic/Jewish ancestry.

http://www.nndb.com/people/917/000022851/
http://jewishfaces.com/actors.html

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 02:36 AM
@ Windsor is this thread supposed to be about the General American public or American celebrities?

It has long been known that celebrities do not represent the General American public and this is even more true for the last twenty years.;)

The media and Hollywood are both controlled by jews and these jews promote race mixing and multiculturalism. They therefor promote racially mixed people. Making them bad examples of the American Germanic population.

You can quote web pages all you want about the celebrities and their amount of Indian blood, but they do not represent a overall view of the American population. Given that, what is the point of this thread?

btw I have had my DNA done and it matches my ancestry perfectly.;)

SparBrave, this admixture is definitely NOT limited to the entertainment world.

A friend of mine who is currently campaigning for a White politician in Alabama told me just a few days ago that he is related to Elvis Presley.

I have seen him and there is a definite resemblance.

Meaning: He does have some American Indian ancestry.

And there are many people like him who have American Indian ancestry.

#22 Elvis' DNA: http://www.elvispresleynews.com/JewishElvis.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1374/is_n3_v55/ai_16898791/
#23 Elvis: http://www.wolflodge.org/visibiliti/metis/theking.htm

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=134747&page=3

Moreover, UNLIKE EUROPE, allied varieties of the White/European race have intermixed to a great extent in America during the past 200 years.

The eventual mixture of the allied varieties of the Aryan race forming the population will produce a finer type of man than has hitherto existed, and a type of man more plastic, more adaptable, more capable of undergoing the modifications needed for a complete social life. . . . Americans may reasonably look forward to a time when they will have produced a civilization grander than any the world has known. Herbert Spencer (1882).

Æmeric
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 02:45 AM
Native Americans...

Famous People Who Are Also Part Native American

*Angelina Jolie is 1/4 Iroquois from her mother: You can see it in the skin tone and cheeksWasn't it already mentioned that Jolie's Indian ancestry - via her mother - was made up by her parents back in the (liberal) days? And she has had plastic surgery. Those lips aren't real.


* Johnny Depp is part Cherokee: Johnny definitely looks it.Possibly. But he is not typical, which is why he would be popular with producers & directors.


Other famous people with Amerindian roots include:

* Megan Fox (Cherokee) I posted a photo of her pre-surgery.

* The Jonas Brothers (Cherokee)
* Chuck Norris (Cherokee)
* Carrie Underwood (Muskogee)
* Mandy Moore (Cherokee)
* Pete Wentz (Either Iroquois or Ojibway, I'm not sure which)Notice all the Cherokees? I don't think there were enough Cherokees to account for all the people who supposedly have Cherokee ancestry.

As for Underwood, she is from Oklahoma so it is possible.


Obviously there's a lot more, but that's a sample.

Some other celebrities....

* Fergie (1/2 Aztec and 1/2 Scottish)
* Brandon Boyd of Incubus (1/2 Aztec and 1/2 Scottish)
* Jessica Biel (Choctaw)
* Cameron Diaz (Mother is Cherokee and German, Father is Cuban)
* Carmen Electra (Cherokee and Irish)
* Wayne Newton (Pohowtan/Cherokee)

Just so you know, Aztec was a Mexican tribe. And Fergie is not 1/2 Aztec. She is supposedly 1/8 Mexican. And Boyd is also not 1/2 Aztec. Carmen Electra has had so much plastic surgery it would be difficult to guess what her natural taxonomy is. As for Newton, it is common knowledge that he is part American Indian, but he does not look typical for Americans.



Mandy Moore (Cherokee)

Ethnicity: Jewish-English, Cherokee, Irish

Born to a mother of Jewish English ancestry and a father of Irish and Cherokee descent.

From a personal quote on IMDB she stated that she wasd raised a Catholic but had a Jewish Grandfather.

http://ethnicelebs.com/mandy-moore

Celebrities sharing the same heritage:

1. Val Kilmer
2. Dick Wolf
3. Kevin Costner
4. Mae West
5. Amanda Bynes
6. James Earl Jones
7. Jay Baruchel
8. Kevin Jonas
9. Joe Jonas
10. Elvis Presley
11. Jimi Hendrix
12. Quentin Tarantino
13. Harrison Ford
14. Johnny Depp
15. Vanessa Carlton

Kevin Costner

What Race or Ethnicity?: German, Irish, Cherokee

http://ethnicelebs.com/kevin-costner

Anne Hathaway

Ethnicity: Irish, French, Native American and German

http://ethnicelebs.com/anne-hathaway

Johnny Depp

Ethnicity: German, England, Irish, French, African and Cherokee

In an interview he stated that his great grandmother has a lot of Cherokee heritage.

From an interview in 2002 he stated that he was a mixture of German, Irish and Cherokee among other things.

There are some rumors on the internet that Depp also has Lebanese heritage, though this is not confirmed.

http://ethnicelebs.com/johnny-depp

Celebrities sharing the same heritage:

1. Rebecca Gayheart
2. Kevin Costner
3. Eartha Kitt
4. Charisma Carpenter
5. Sarah Larson
6. Anne Hathaway
7. Kim Basinger
8. Ciara
9. Val Kilmer
10. Bam Margera
11. Nicky Hilton
12. Taylor Lautner
13. Chrystina Sayers
14. Meagan Good
15. Robert De Niro

Nicole Kidman

Mother is Roman Catholic, father Roman Catholic/Jewish ancestry.

http://www.nndb.com/people/917/000022851/
http://jewishfaces.com/actors.html

So in addition to being Europid-Amerindian-African mongrels we (Americans) are also poluted with Jewish blood?:(

Just what is the point of this thread?:scratch

Anselm
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 02:51 AM
The provisions in § 3 of the Citizenship Act of March 2, 1907, that any American woman who marries a foreigner takes the nationality of her husband, is not limited as to place or effect prior to the termination of the marital relation.

Marriage of an American woman with a foreigner may involve national complications of like kind as physical expatriation may involve and is therefore within the control of Congress.

Marriage of an American woman with a foreigner is tantamount to voluntary expatriation, and Congress may, without exceeding its powers, make it so, as it has in fact done, by the Act of March 2, 1907.

MACKENZIE V. HARE, 239 U.S. 299 (1915)

That's a good source. Thanks. But intermixing as recent as 1907 would be even easier to trace by record or detect in the phenotype.

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 03:00 AM
That's a good source. Thanks. But intermixing as recent as 1907 would be even easier to trace by record or detect in the phenotype.

The main purpose of the 1907 Act was to discourage American women from marrying foreigners, particularly EAST ASIAN men. I have a great scholarly article on this.

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 03:11 AM
Leaving aside White-Indian admixture, allied varieties of the White/European race have intermixed to a great extent in America during the past 200 years. UNLIKE EUROPE.

And this "eventual mixture of the allied varieties of the Aryan race forming the population will produce a finer type of man than has hitherto existed." Herbert Spencer (1882).

The historical record indicates that ethnic separatism among Caucasian-derived groups has a tendency to collapse within modern Western societies unless active attempts at ethnic and cultural segregation are undertaken, as has occurred among Jews.

As expected from a resource-reciprocity point of view (MacDonald 1991, 1995b,c), in the absence of rigid ethnic barriers, marriage in Western individualist societies tends to be importantly influenced by a wide range of phenotypic features of the prospective spouse, including not only genetic commonality but also social status, personality, common interests, and other points of similarity. This individualist pattern of marriage decisions has characterized Western Europe at least since the Middle Ages (e.g., MacFarlane 1986; see PTSDA , Ch. 8).

The result has been a remarkable degree of ethnic assimilation in the United States among those whose ancestry derives from Europe (Alba 1985). This is particularly noteworthy because ethnic conflict and violence are on the rise in Eastern Europe, yet European-derived groups in the United States have an overwhelming sense of commonality.

The long-term result of such processes is genetic homogenization, a sense of common interest, and the absence of a powerful source of intrasocietal division.

http://www.euvolution.com/articles/lastchap.html

SpearBrave
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 04:08 AM
SpearBrave, this admixture is definitely NOT limited to the entertainment world.


But it is not the norm either, as stated by someone else if you have been to America and traveled the whole country you would see for yourself.



A friend of mine who is currently campaigning for a White politician in Alabama told me just a few days ago that he is related to Elvis Presley.

I have seen him and there is a definite resemblance.

Meaning: He does have some American Indian ancestry.

And there are many people like him who have American Indian ancestry.

No there are not many people like him. People until very recently do not and did not marry outside their ethnic groups. That is a fact, there are whole very large sections of the U.S. that are primarily German and Germanic with no mixture what so ever. I live in such a area. Even the county to East of me is predominantly Scotch/English ancestry that came from Appalachia. They look no different than the Anglo-Saxons I seen when in England.


Moreover, UNLIKE EUROPE, allied varieties of the White/European race have intermixed to a great extent in America during the past 200 years.


Very untrue also, as my friends from Germany have noticed that people in the U.S. look the same other than clothing and hair styles. Most Germans I know even say there is less race mixing here than in Europe.:-O

Also given the fact that the multiculturalist are always attacking American whites for being racist, they would surly use this if it were factual.



The eventual mixture of the allied varieties of the Aryan race forming the population will produce a finer type of man than has hitherto existed, and a type of man more plastic, more adaptable, more capable of undergoing the modifications needed for a complete social life. . . . Americans may reasonably look forward to a time when they will have produced a civilization grander than any the world has known. Herbert Spencer (1882).

Hello, I'm a racial and cultural preservationist. I don't want to see a "finer type" of man in the sense Herbert Spencer did. I want to see the current Germanic populations survive and continue. Herbert Spencer was a early form of multiculturalist and believed that race and ethnic mixing would benefit modern man for the future. It is pretty apparent that his views are wrong as time has told.

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 05:47 AM
But it is not the norm either, as stated by someone else if you have been to America and traveled the whole country you would see for yourself.


No there are not many people like him. People until very recently do not and did not marry outside their ethnic groups. That is a fact, there are whole very large sections of the U.S. that are primarily German and Germanic with no mixture what so ever. I live in such a area. Even the county to East of me is predominantly Scotch/English ancestry that came from Appalachia. They look no different than the Anglo-Saxons I seen when in England.


Very untrue also, as my friends from Germany have noticed that people in the U.S. look the same other than clothing and hair styles. Most Germans I know even say there is less race mixing here than in Europe.:-O

Also given the fact that the multiculturalist are always attacking American whites for being racist, they would surly use this if it were factual.



Hello, I'm a racial and cultural preservationist. I don't want to see a "finer type" of man in the sense Herbert Spencer did. I want to see the current Germanic populations survive and continue. Herbert Spencer was a early form of multiculturalist and believed that race and ethnic mixing would benefit modern man for the future. It is pretty apparent that his views are wrong as time has told.

It is inarguable that there "has been a remarkable degree of ethnic assimilation in the United States among those whose ancestry derives from Europe. This is particularly noteworthy because ethnic conflict and violence are on the rise in Eastern Europe, yet European-derived groups in the United States have an overwhelming sense of commonality. The long-term result of such processes is genetic homogenization, a sense of common interest, and the absence of a powerful source of intrasocietal division." Kevin Macdonald, The Culture of Critique.

http://www.euvolution.com/articles/lastchap.html

"It has been said...that more European American southerners claim a Cherokee ancestor than admit to having an ancestor who fought in the Civil War!" ~ Beatriz Da Costa, Kavita Philip - 2008. Tactical biopolitics: art, activism, and technoscience - Page 196

"[T]here are countless Americans who could legitimately claim Indian ancestry but choose not to do so; their motives and reasons are as varied as droplets of rain on a mountain lake. Many choose to pass as European American because of the perceived opportunities available to them." ~ Kimberly Barrett, William George - 2005. Race, culture, psychology, and law - Page 349.

Ancestry of U.S. Population by Rank
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762137.html

When Americans think of their European roots, they often turn to England. But research shows that most Americans’ ancestors came from Germany. English settlers brought their language to the new world, the Statue of Liberty was a gift from France, but it is the long lasting effect of German immigration that has had the largest influence on the U.S. population. Some 43 million Americans, or 15.2 percent of the total population, consider themselves to have German roots, according to the 2000 census, more than any other ethnic origin. German is still by far the most frequently reported ancestry in the country, followed by Irish with 10.8 percent and African American with 8.8 percent.

http://www.atlantic-times.com/archive_detail.php?recordID=53

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 07:21 AM
It is inarguable that there has been a remarkable degree of ethnic assimilation in the United States among those whose ancestry derives from Europe. This is particularly noteworthy because ethnic conflict and violence are on the rise in Eastern Europe, yet European-derived groups in the United States have an overwhelming sense of commonality. The long-term result of such processes is genetic homogenization, a sense of common interest, and the absence of a powerful source of intrasocietal division.

The French farmer Hector St. John de Crèvecoeur emigrated from Normandy in France in 1759 and settled in the Hudson Valley, New York, and married an American woman. The astounding diversity of the other settlers startled him:

"a mixture of English, Scotch, Irish, French, Dutch, Germans, and Swedes."

One family he knew had an English grandfather, a Dutch grandmother, an Anglo-Dutch son with a French wife, whose four sons all married women of different nationalities.

"From this promiscuous breed," he wrote, "that race now called Americans has arisen."

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Lecture/On-Becoming-American-Reasserting-Citizenship-in-the-Immigration-Debate

I concede that there is something in the handsome theory. But if one comes down to brass tacks, one sees that Crèvecoeur mentions only 7 nationalities, all from northwestern Europe.

Now we have 20, 30, God knows how many, nationalities represented in the people.

Besides, the real leaders of the early Republic did not believe in this asylum business.

What did Washington say on immigration. Here it is:

I have no intention to invite immigrants, even if there are no restrictive acts against it. I am opposed to it altogether...I want an American character, that the powers of Europe may be convinced we act for ourselves and not for others; this, in my judgment, is the only way to be respected abroad and happy at home.

Now for Jefferson on immigration, this is what he said:

Every species of government has its specific principles. Ours perhaps are more peculiar than those of any other in the universe. It is a composition of the freest principles of the English constitution, with others derived from natural right and natural reason. To these nothing can be more opposed than the maxims of absolute monarchies. Yet, from such, we are to expect the greatest number of emigrants. They will bring with them the principles of the governments they leave, imbibed in their early youth; or, if able to throw them off, it will be in exchange for an unbounded licentiousness, passing, as is usual, from one extreme to another. It would be a miracle were they to stop precisely at the point of temperate liberty. These principles, with their language, they will transmit to their children. In proportion to their numbers, they will share with us the legislation. They will infuse into it their spirit, warp and bias its direction, and render it a heterogeneous, incoherent, distracted mass. http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/jefferson/ch08.html

We violated their warnings, and Jefferson's prediction has come true.

The Aesthete
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 07:26 AM
White Americans who have not mixed look just like white Europeans who have not mixed.
A recent study on admixture using white college students found “In European Americans from State College, the west African and native American genetic contribution are low”.

The full article called Skin pigmentation, biogeographical ancestry and admixture mapping was attached as a pdf file to a recent thread.


By the way apparently the US has more people of Scandinavian descent than any other country.

SpearBrave
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 08:49 AM
@ Windsor These people and articles you quote are few and isolated cases most of very early frontier life. You could pull up over a thousand articles and most again would be isolated cases.




"It has been said...that more European American southerners claim a Cherokee ancestor than admit to having an ancestor who fought in the Civil War!" ~ Beatriz Da Costa, Kavita Philip - 2008. Tactical biopolitics: art, activism, and technoscience - Page 196


As I have stated earlier I have traveled all of this country and yet have met or spoken to few that are saying such things. I am starting to see a pattern developing that the sites and people you are quoting are multiculturalist. Of course they would say such things as that supports their case.




It is inarguable that there "has been a remarkable degree of ethnic assimilation in the United States among those whose ancestry derives from Europe. This is particularly noteworthy because ethnic conflict and violence are on the rise in Eastern Europe, yet European-derived groups in the United States have an overwhelming sense of commonality. The long-term result of such processes is genetic homogenization, a sense of common interest, and the absence of a powerful source of intrasocietal division." Kevin Macdonald, The Culture of Critique.

http://www.euvolution.com/articles/lastchap.html


If I not correct this site clearly is advocating multiculturalism and race mixing. Therefor has little value in the context that you are using it unless you are promoting such ideas.


1. We have discussed that the Hollywood type is not a good view of the typical American.

2. We have established that most European immigration was from North Western Europe and occurred after the Injuns have been subjugated. So very little mixture of these people.

3. Most of the sources you have quoted have been from multiculturalist and therefor there statements are of little or no merit. Have you ever thought for few seconds why they attack the Southern States so much, It is what they believe the heart of American racism(they are wrong).

Now again what is the point of this thread in your own words?

Windsor
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 10:19 AM
It is inarguable that there "has been a remarkable degree of ethnic assimilation in the United States among those whose ancestry derives from Europe. This is particularly noteworthy because ethnic conflict and violence are on the rise in Eastern Europe, yet European-derived groups in the United States have an overwhelming sense of commonality. The long-term result of such processes is genetic homogenization, a sense of common interest, and the absence of a powerful source of intrasocietal division." Kevin Macdonald, The Culture of Critique.

http://www.euvolution.com/articles/lastchap.html

If I not correct this site clearly is advocating multiculturalism and race mixing. Therefor has little value in the context that you are using it unless you are promoting such ideas.

That quote is from the last chapter of Prof. Kevin Macdonald's book The Culture of Critique. And Kevin MacDonald is most certainly NOT advocating multiculturalism and race mixing. And neither am I.

http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Blog.htm

I agree with his research and there is no doubt there has been "a remarkable degree of ethnic assimilation and genetic homogenization in the United States among European-derived peoples."

Assimilation has historically been the rule in Western societies.

http://www.csulb.edu/~kmacd/paper-fertility.html

SpearBrave
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 10:35 AM
Since originator failed to state the reasons for this thread I'm closing it until further notice.

There are plenty of threads already dealing with issue. He can reply to those if he wishes.