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DAVE_NYC
Friday, July 11th, 2003, 04:10 PM
"arisch"/"Aryan":
This term was employed by the Nazis to denote the common racial component of the German peoples, free from other, alien, "Rassenerbgut"/"racial genetic blood". Apart from the Jews all native nom-European "races" e.g. the "negro" and the "gypsy", were seen as alien ("artfremd"/"foreign").
The term non-"Aryan" included those with non-"Aryan", in particular Jewish, parents or grandparents. It was sufficient when one parent or grandparent was non-"Aryan". This was especially so when a parent or grandparent had been of the Jewish faith.
The proof of "Aryan" descent ("Ariernachweis"/"proof of "Aryan" descent", or "Abstammungsnachweis"/"proof of descent" was to be furnished by the presentation of the documents of birth of preceeding generations.

"Arisierung"/"Aryanization":
The Nazi term for the expropriation of Jewish property and its transfer to non-Jewish ("Aryan") ownership. "Aryanization" was enforced by a series of laws and regulations, and the use of naked violence. "Aryanization" was also used to exert pressure on the "Jews" as an inducement for them to forcibly emigrate. Many of those "Aryanized" no longer possessed the necessary finances to emigrate.

Phlegethon
Tuesday, July 15th, 2003, 02:15 PM
"There's a new law. The names of publishers' readers have to be reported to the Propaganda Ministry. I can't send in the names of Paulchen Mayer and Franz Hessel, can I?"
I said nothing, and he stared at me with visible dislike and distaste. He said:
"I'll send in your name, you lazy creature."
The ash of his cigar dropped on to his thick thigh, and he did not even bother to brush it off. He said:
"It's in a circular or whatever they're called. The German Writers' Protective Association has been made the authoritative body. I can only print authors who are members of the association. Non-Aryan authors have to find two Aryans to vouch for them. Of course I'll vouch for my authors."
He looked at me and said grimly:
"Are you Aryan?"
I said:
"No."
His jaw dropped. Pearls of sweat appeared on his forehead, something that usually only happened when he ate several plates of pickled pork and carrots or gammon with haricot beans. I said:
"I've consulted my encyclopaedia. Aryan is a philological term applied to linguistic roots. I'm not a word, am I?"
Rowohlt breathed deeply:
"Arse-hole is a word too, but that doesn't stop you being one."


Ernst von Salomon, "The Questionnaire", 1951

Degenerate
Wednesday, June 9th, 2004, 03:35 PM
Greetings,
This is my first post and I'm going to be rather brief.

1.) To begin with, I think we can all objectively accept that National Socialism is dead. National Socialism is dead meaning that the label "National Socialist" can no longer be used. National Socialism has been deamonized and has been fully dismissed as unacceptable by Western Civilization, so for any serious National Socialist, he will not label himself as a supporter of National Socialism.

2.) The idea or belief in an "Aryan" race is not a proponent of the National Socialist idealogy, and one does not need to belong to an "Aryan" race to be a National Socialist.

3.) "Aryan" is simply a technical classification describing those who are decendants of Indians who migrated to Europe, thus proving no signivigance or 'superiority'.

4.) Described by Hitler himself, Jews are not a race, but a cultural group attempting to assimilate other cultures into its' own. Jews no longer prove signivigance to National Socialism, or Jews cannot have signivigance to National Socialism, so those who include this in their National Socialist teachings are also degenerate.

5.) Signivigance must be shifted from degenerate beliefs, such as those concerns of "Aryanism" or those of the 'Jewish problem.' They are no longer a signivigant problem or concern to National Socialist idealogy.

6.) These problems must be shifted to the concerns of preserving European or any other culture. Thus, National Socialist must prepare for the fight against Capitalism, which threatens to consume culture, and the United States, which is the largest "anti-culture"

7.) Those who cater to the American degenerate culture cannot label themself as "National Socialist."

8.) A National Socialist movement is absolutely not possible in American, and any such movement shall be labeled as a degenerate "Neo-Nazi" group.

These our today's Natioanl Socialist concerns.

Awar
Wednesday, June 9th, 2004, 03:57 PM
Greetings,
This is my first post and I'm going to be rather brief.

1.) To begin with, I think we can all objectively accept that National Socialism is dead. National Socialism is dead meaning that the label "National Socialist" can no longer be used. National Socialism has been deamonized and has been fully dismissed as unacceptable by Western Civilization, so for any serious National Socialist, he will not label himself as a supporter of National Socialism.

Yes, that's very true.


2.) The idea or belief in an "Aryan" race is not a proponent of the National Socialist idealogy, and one does not need to belong to an "Aryan" race to be a National Socialist.

3.) "Aryan" is simply a technical classification describing those who are decendants of Indians who migrated to Europe, thus proving no signivigance or 'superiority'.

Actually, the Aryans were a people from eastern Europe and Eurasian steppes who contributed the spread of Indo-European languages by conquest. One of their conquests was India some 4500 years ago.

Basically, the term is worthless for a real use, since not all Indo-European speaking peoples are connected to the 'Aryans' ( especially those in western Europe and Britain ) since they adopted IE through Celtic and other influences, and thus speak a different branch of IE.


4.) Described by Hitler himself, Jews are not a race, but a cultural group attempting to assimilate other cultures into its' own. Jews no longer prove signivigance to National Socialism, or Jews cannot have signivigance to National Socialism, so those who include this in their National Socialist teachings are also degenerate.

A political concept must be rid of all forms of 'display of hatred' towards any ethnicities, nations, ideologies, religions etc. An ideology based on hate for something can never be very stable, although it can attract masses, but also quickly repel the same masses once the times change.


5.) Signivigance must be shifted from degenerate beliefs, such as those concerns of "Aryanism" or those of the 'Jewish problem.' They are no longer a signivigant problem or concern to National Socialist idealogy.

6.) These problems must be shifted to the concerns of preserving European or any other culture. Thus, National Socialist must prepare for the fight against Capitalism, which threatens to consume culture, and the United States, which is the largest "anti-culture"

7.) Those who cater to the American degenerate culture cannot label themself as "National Socialist."

8.) A National Socialist movement is absolutely not possible in American, and any such movement shall be labeled as a degenerate "Neo-Nazi" group.

These our today's Natioanl Socialist concerns.

I agree.

Moody
Wednesday, June 9th, 2004, 04:35 PM
1) National Socialism [N-S] is "objectively" alive; there are N-S groups all over the world following the N-S Way. How then can N-S be "dead"?
That the enemies of N-S have demonised it is nothing new - that has ALWAYS been the case. The "civilisation" of the enemies of N-S is degenerate - N-S wants nothing to do with it.
You contradict yourself - you say that a serious N-S will not label himself N-S: therefore you accept that there ARE N-S today, so N-S can't be dead by your own reckoning. It seems you only object to the name 'N-S' because the enemies of N-S have smeared it!
The fact that the degenerate West continues to heap opprobrium on the name of Hitler and N-S shows that it is very much alive!

2) The concept of an Aryan Race predates the formation of the NSDAP. However, the ideologists of N-S all came out of this school of thought. Of course, Aryanism is not solely the preserve of N-S, but all N-S would agree with the Aryan Race theory as it is part of their mythos.

3) The Aryans are the creative culture Race; a white Race who spread out from their ancient homeland, carrying their culture and organisation to India, Persia, China, the Mediterranean and Europe including the British Isles.
If one views culture as the most important aspect of life [and not money], then the Aryans are indeed superior.
The Celts were Aryans too.

4) Hitler described the Jews as a Race. Of course, other races have adopted Judaism in history, and the Jews have inter-bred with other races.
The Jew is almost the antithesis of the Aryan; his culture is almost a reversal of the Aryan culture - therefore he seeks to subvert Aryanism. This is the inner logic of both polarities, and not the result of hate - although hate may result from it.
The Jew has been attempting this subversion for at least the past two millennia and has now placed himself so high in the Western power establishment that it is no exaggeration to say that the West is now Judaised.
Therefore, a movement based on opposition to Jewish influence - such as N-S - is more necessary now then ever.

5) There is nothing insignificant or degenerate about these central N-S concerns of Aryanism and the Jewish Problem; they are both as real today as they ever were.

6) I agree that N-S must now concentrate on a pan-European concern; that is fully in keeping with the development and evolution of N-S. But this must be done on the basis of an opposition to multiracialism.
Of course, N-S has always been against USA style Capitalism and International Finance.
You will find that the Jews are still at the forefront of capitalism and multiracialism.
So the concerns you mention are nothing new to N-S.

7) It is the Judaisation of American culture that has caused its degeneration.

8) N-S is perfectly possible for European-Americans as they have shown.

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Telperion
Wednesday, June 9th, 2004, 04:37 PM
1.) To begin with, I think we can all objectively accept that National Socialism is dead. National Socialism is dead meaning that the label "National Socialist" can no longer be used. National Socialism has been deamonized and has been fully dismissed as unacceptable by Western Civilization, so for any serious National Socialist, he will not label himself as a supporter of National Socialism.Certainly not in public, and probably not even in private. The vast majority of people consider 'National Socialism' to be synonymous with evil.


2.) The idea or belief in an "Aryan" race is not a proponent of the National Socialist idealogy, and one does not need to belong to an "Aryan" race to be a National Socialist. I would say the focus should be on European racial and cultural preservation. What sort of political movements people who aren't of European race subscribe to isn't of direct interest to me.


5.) Signivigance must be shifted from degenerate beliefs, such as those concerns of "Aryanism" or those of the 'Jewish problem.' They are no longer a signivigant problem or concern to National Socialist idealogy.Organized Zionist groups are a part of the problem, but only a relatively small part in my view. Blaming all of today's negative conditions on 'The Jews' is simply not empirically accurate, and sounds paranoid. Whether Jewish/Zionist culture has been adopted by the majority of elite figures who aren't Jews is another issue.


6.) These problems must be shifted to the concerns of preserving European or any other culture. Thus, National Socialist must prepare for the fight against Capitalism, which threatens to consume culture, and the United States, which is the largest "anti-culture"Yes, if by 'capitalism' you mean globalist monopoly capitalism in its contemporary form. I would not exagerate the importance of the US, since the 'anti-culture' rooted there is shared by elites across the globe, including everywhere in Europe.



8.) A National Socialist movement is absolutely not possible in American, and any such movement shall be labeled as a degenerate "Neo-Nazi" group.
It is definitely not possible if it appears to be inspired by, or shows admiration in any way for Nazi Germany or Hitler. The vast majority of (North) Americans consider Hitler to be an iconic figure of incarnate evil, and there is not the slightest probability they will ever take any other view of him or of Nazi Germany. People who march around wearing Swastikas etc. simply turn themsleves into pariahs, and condemn themselves to permanent marginalization. This is hardly the basis for any sort of political movement.

Actually, I think a sort of home-grown fascism is taking root in the US right now, at the highest levels of government. However, it is rooted in the Conservative Christian/America First movement, and has nothing whatsoever to do with Nazism.

Awar
Wednesday, June 9th, 2004, 04:44 PM
Organized Zionist groups are a part of the problem, but only a relatively small part in my view. Blaming all of today's negative conditions on 'The Jews' is simply not empirically accurate, and sounds paranoid.

Not only does it sound paranoid, it's also not practical.
Any Jew can at any time change his surname, falsify his family tree and continue as he was.

Moody
Wednesday, June 9th, 2004, 04:49 PM
The swastika is an ancient Aryan symbol - I am not going to allow an anti-Aryan elite to stop me from identifying with it!

Telperion says; "Blaming all of today's negative conditions on 'The Jews' is simply not empirically accurate, and sounds paranoid. Whether Jewish/Zionist culture has been adopted by the majority of elite figures who aren't Jews is another issue".

Surely, if it can be shown that Jewish influences have predominated in the areas of multiracialism, multiculturalism, internationalism and world capitalism of the last hundred years or so, then that is 'empirically accurate'.
Of course, we who say this will be called 'paranoid' - but that's how they work: the smear.

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Telperion
Wednesday, June 9th, 2004, 05:44 PM
Surely, if it can be shown that Jewish influences have predominated in the areas of multiracialism, multiculturalism, internationalism and world capitalism of the last hundred years or so, then that is 'empirically accurate'.

That depends on what you mean by 'Jewish influences'. I'm not sure to what extent it's possible to sort out which members of the elite are or aren't Jewish (for the reasons that AWAR points out), but my anecdotal impression is that most of them are not. Also, if they have rejected their own culture, is that the fault of the Jews, or is it their own fault? They weren't forced to do so at gunpoint, at least not in any Western country - the Jews may have encouraged them, but they still did it voluntarily. Therefore, they must bear the responsibility for doing so themselves. Nor is it clear to what extent the elite 'anti-culture' is specifically Jewish, as opposed to a sort of secular degeneracy of the sort one found in the declining Roman empire. My perspective, for what it's worth, is that our current elites and their anti-culture as a whole are the problem, and that's the view I would present to the public.

Moody
Wednesday, June 9th, 2004, 06:14 PM
That depends on what you mean by 'Jewish influences'. I'm not sure to what extent it's possible to sort out which members of the elite are or aren't Jewish (for the reasons that AWAR points out), but my anecdotal impression is that most of them are not. Also, if they have rejected their own culture, is that the fault of the Jews, or is it their own fault? They weren't forced to do so at gunpoint, at least not in any Western country - the Jews may have encouraged them, but they still did it voluntarily. Therefore, they must bear the responsibility for doing so themselves. Nor is it clear to what extent the elite 'anti-culture' is specifically Jewish, as opposed to a sort of secular degeneracy of the sort one found in the declining Roman empire. My perspective, for what it's worth, is that our current elites and their anti-culture as a whole are the problem, and that's the view I would present to the public.

The point is that the Jews haven't given up their own culture; they've had to exist in cognito among other cultures for centuries; outwardly conforming, while inwardly remaining Jews, but using their skills to subvert the host culture. THAT is how they inflict 'influence'.

'Influence' applies to those who do the influencing and to those who receive the influence.
And there are some who reject that influence.

Generally speaking, in Europe, Jewish influence was largely resisted until the 18th century [although Christianity itself presents a problem in terms of its Jewish aspects]. With Cromwell we see the Jews being brought back into Britain, for example - they had been banned since 1290 [prior to that they had been brought into Britain by the Norman conquerors; notice the pattern?]; likewise, the French revolutionaries sought Jewish emancipation.

What could this 'Jewish influence' mean? - internationalised finance, with the Rothschild brothers operating in Britain and France, thus cutting across national loyalties. The withered fruits of this Jewish influence are a well known and blight the world today.
The creation of a world government presided over by the Chosen People, as befits the whole thrust of their religion. To that end the promotion of cosmopolitanism, multiculturalism and multiracialism.
Look behind the pressure groups for the above movements and you will find Jews. Look how Jew-dominated Hollywood promotes these things in its movies etc., and makes the 'Nazis' [and rednecks] into an object of hate - even the liberal actor Marlon Brando called Hollywood Jewish, and look at the abuse they heaped upon him for daring to tell the truth.
Look at the 'holocaust' and how this fits in with Jewish kabalistic thought - the 6 000 000 000 - etc.,

So I contend that the anti-Aryan aspects of the victim culture, the equality/internationalist cosmopolitan culture, the movement of materialism and finance above all else, are all fairly obvious.
Aryan culture believes in courage, honour, caste, racialism and spirit above matter - the very antitheses of those Jewish values referred to.

True, the Jew's influence was due to Aryan weakness - and to Aryan good-will and naivity. But remember, by virtue of long being the Wandering Jew, he had perfected the black arts of infiltration and subversion.

However, periodically the Aryan nations have cast out this Semitic anti-Aryan influence - and they will do again unless they become completely captured by it.

That's why full-blown swastika waving N-S is necessary. Look how conservatives have been Judaised - the Neo-Cons!
Good example of 'influence'; Jewish ideals, Jews and the influence they have on the Goyim!

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Degenerate
Wednesday, June 9th, 2004, 06:54 PM
I don't understand why you point out obvious "contradictions" that I have (obviously) purposely made.

It was a very vague overview, and I emphasize vague, of the criteria of a National Socialist today. I said at the top of my post, "This is my first post and I'm going to be rather brief."

But due to these responses I may be forced to create a detailed post of what exactly I mean.

To address a few concerns that stand out the most...


You contradict yourself - you say that a serious N-S will not label himself N-S: therefore you accept that there ARE N-S today, so N-S can't be dead by your own reckoning. It seems you only object to the name 'N-S' because the enemies of N-S have smeared it!

This is hard to comprehend, why you don't understand what I mean. Figuratively, National Socialism is dead, meaning that those who believe in the teachings of Natioanl Socialism will not be successful if they label themselves as "National Socialist," that if National Socialism is going to be successful in this corrupted world it must be divided and classified with new beliefs. It seems so obvious what I implied, I still can't see why you don't see that.

If you think "It seems you only object to the name 'N-S' because the enemies of N-S have smeared it!" again, I can't comprehend this. This isn't a post, "why i r think N-S is stuped" like you're attempting to imply, I am simply stating that National Socialist are doomed to failure because it the name has been demonized. So unless you think, "I'm a National Socialist and I'm proud of who I am!" well, that doesn't matter if you're proud or not. That won't make you successful. Err... I'm beginning to ramble... I hope you understand now.

When I stated that National Socialism is 'dead,' I meant that what was understood as National Socialism in the 1930's and '40's has been twisted and clouded by propaganda from BOTH the original National Socialists and the Allied Powers. We will NEVER understand what National Socialism truely was; National Socialism died in Hitler's bunker in 1945.

The 'Aryan' concept is obsolete even if it existed before the NSDAP. Yes, it is true that there were Ariosophists throughout the 19th and early 20th Centuries, but their theories really had no basis other than the fact that various peoples of Europe (Slavs, Germans, Celts, Latins, etc.) have roots that can be traced back to the ancient Aryans who invaded India. However, 'race' has become an obsolete and archaic means of 'uniting' European people; it is also completely unrealistic. By the Ariosophist's logic, we must also defend Iranians and Afghans, for they too can be traced back to the ancient Aryans ('Iran' is even a form of the word 'Aryan'). However, there are several European peoples who are unrelated to the Aryans, such as the Hungarians and the Fins. I don't know about you, but a pan-EUROPEAN movement should be more concerned about protecting fellow Europeans, like the Fins and Hungarians, and not Iranians or Afghans on the basis that they are 'Aryan.' In short, a pan-European movement shoul stress CULTURE, and not race.


It is the Judaisation of American culture that has caused its degeneration.

Jews may possess some influence in American media, but to say that Jews are attempting to 'Judaise' American culture is just plain silly. Coming from Great Britain, you are quite ignorant towards American culture and you don't have the experience within American society that I have. Negroid peoples have much more influence within degenerate American culture than Jews do, and trust me... Jews aren't behind it. Commercialism and capitalism (which is linked to natural HUMAN greed, not Jewish culture) has also contributed greatly to the degeneration of culture within America. At-any-rate, American culture can and shouldn't be 'white' to
begin with. America is a multicultural nationa and should be left as such. Euroepans should be more concerned about preserving EUROPE, not America, as Europe is our natural homeland.


N-S is perfectly possible for European-Americans as they have shown.

'National Socialism', or any European nationalist movement, cannot exist within the United States. For one, the lands of North America DO NOT rightfully belong to European peoples. Rightfully, they should belong to the Native Americans, but even Mexicans have more 'right' to North American territories than Europeans do. Second, America is a multicultural nation, and there is no way to change it. To force European culture on all Americans would lead to disaster, and the futher degeneration of European culture. Third, most 'European-Americans' are far too degenerate to belong to a European nationalist movement. In fact, most nationalist whites in America are really just right-wing red-necks who listen to degenerate music and have a hard time speaking English properly. If this is what you consider 'Natioanl Socialism,' you might as well join the KKK.


Yes, if by 'capitalism' you mean globalist monopoly capitalism in its contemporary form. I would not exagerate the importance of the US, since the 'anti-culture' rooted there is shared by elites across the globe, including everywhere in Europe.

I would indeed stress the importance of the United States. You must remember, Europe has since degenerated after WWII, and the capitalist influences in Europe are mostly from American corporations. American culture is also devastating Europe, music, tv, etc. I will not go into to much emphasis on how this is relevant, because it should seem quite obvious to most.

I hope this makes things a bit clearer on what I mean.

Moody
Friday, June 11th, 2004, 07:13 PM
I understand what you are driving at, but not only do I not agree, but think that the thrust of what you say is invalid.

N-S is not obsolete, neither is Aryanism, neither is 'Race' itself: why would you be engaged in trying to kill them if they were already "dead"?

N-S does not measure "success" in the way you assume.
N-S could stay underground for decades, for centuries, and yet still "successfully" propagate its teaching and develop its ideas: THAT is success.

True, Bush's Republican Party may be far more 'successful' today than the NSDAP; but for all its 'success' it is still degenerate and shameful.
It has sacrificed integrity for SUPERFICIAL success.

N-S would regard it as a failing to 'tailor' its beliefs to fit in with the Modern degeneracy. Indeed, the resistance of this temptation is a sign of success for N-S.

As for demonisation; if all an established power has to do is smear and demonise its rivals, then the game would be up.
Christianity, for example, would have stayed in the catacombs.

If you believe you have a great idea then you promulgate it no matter how much your opponents try to smear you.
If you change your clothes to suit your enemies, then they will always call the tune and keep you down.
There comes a point when you have to stick to your ideals and slug it out toe to toe - even when they have type-cast you as the 'demon'.

Many a demon became a hero.

Indeed, show me a god who didn't begin as a devil!

N-S no more died in Hitler's bunker in 1945 than Christianity died on the cross in the first century AD!

Come, Doubting Thomas, poke your spindly fingures in these wounds!

Aryan "versus" European? - why sholud there be a conflict betwen the two? Do your hear of Jew versus Semite? - No!

There is no mutual exclusion here - no need for a strict Either/Or.
An African American doesn't think himself severed from the African Continent, nor does a European Jew think himself exiled form Israel.
The Jew does not reject the idea of Semitic culture, so why should the European reject the idea of Aryan culture?

Each one of us is the result of a long unbroken chain going back to the dawn of time, a chain going back past a myriad migrations, empires, tribal loyalties and homelands.
Does your heritage only begin when your ancestors found themselves in Europe? Did they suddenly emerge from out the European soil?
Were they self-created like God, or were they the off-spring of more ancient peoples?
This reality does not stop someone from being a European - but being a European should not stop someone from appreciating the wider Aryan culture.
Of course, past Aryan lands have been racially and culturally diluted so as to become barely Aryan in our sense; we do not want that to happen to Europe [and it is happening].

Why restrict yourself - why de-culturalise yourself? - why de-racinate yourself?

Once you cut yourself off from Aryan roots you become ripe for Judification.

"God gave all power to the Jews over the wealth and the blood of all peoples" - The Torah.

The Judaising of European culture [and the export of that Judaised European culture to the colonies] is easy to map. Christianity's adoption by the Roman Empire and its survival in Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire is a primary source of Judaisation.
Cicero wrote of the baneful nature of Jewish influence before that unhappy event.
Afterwards, up to the present day, Aryan children were often baptised with Hebrew names rather than the ancient Teutonic, Slavic, Latin and Celtic ones, for example.

Sombart says, "Puritanism IS Judaism".

Jews were traditionally money-lenders in European society and so were always at the forefront of commerce and banking.
Rabbi Burton Visotsky admits that "The Torah is all about business".

With the shift of the Money Power from London to Wall street New York in the late 19th/early 20th century we notice the increase in Jewish influence in the USA, which has now reached the stage where American foreign policy is directed at the highest level by the likes of Perle, Wolfawitz etc., etc.,

There is evidence that Whites were in the Americas before Mongolians and Africans. The Declaration of Independence was drafted by White slave-owners, and does not recognise non-Whites as full men. To that end, America - if it is to survive as America - must rediscover it's racialist ethos;
Europe and America must become twin living spaces for Whites.

As for "ignorance" of the nature of American racialism; I give a counter-example - Yockey's 'Imperium": one of the greatest racialist philosophical works, written by an American.
THIS is the American culture [like that of Emerson and Pound] that is NOT Judaised - on this is the future to be built, not on the superficialties of commercial "success"!

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, June 11th, 2004, 11:00 PM
I am not Aryan! I have a bloodline going back to the Scandinavian royal dynasties before Christianity and if Aryanism was passed down, I would have been raised in it!!! Sure, we have cattle and some crops from western Asia etc., but that doesn't make all of the people west of the Urals/Caucasus Aryan. Many religious aspects can be traced back to this spread of agriculture, but I am living proof that there is little if any of that blood in me or my family. Every surname of my family members are based on life removed from this mass culture. Surnames which imply fishing, hunting, personality, occupation, simple paternity, placenames, and they all describe life as it was in their part of the world, not how it was in Asia! I have no oriental birth names in my family either, all are occidental and boreal. All of the inspiration and heartache that I ever experience is due to feelings of attachment to my origins, which are Northwestern European in nature.

All that stuff from the part of the world you speak of is extremely strange to me, as strange as Judeism.
The Jutes' name is pronounced the same as you would a Jew or Yid. Then there is the matter of God, whose name is from Odin, the allfather to the Goths, or the "godi". Why would there have been any Crusades into Palestine if not for a Jutish (Norman Danish) colony going back quite some time? Juden and Juten are nearly the same. When it is pronounced by Levantine people, they say it differently, like Yehudah. What do the Bible Belt people do? Copy that style! What incentives for gain did the Crusaders have but to reclaim their land they described holy?
All those Levantine & Khazarian people calling themselves Jewish is because they took over the land and kept the same name, as you would call yourself French if you were born in France! It might anger a Frenchman for an immigrant to call themself French when they have little background other than birth to prove they are "French", but that's how it is. Judea/Judah is simply one of the colonies made by the Jutes, not their origin. How holy can it be?

Another thing...Hibernians, Iberians had a colony in Hebron. Palestine was like a World Summit back then. Everybody set up trading posts in the area to make money between different routes in Asia, Europe and Africa. How special are you?! Capitalism being Jewish? Then why does everybody complain about the White Male in business?
Deus Pater/Zeus is the same as Joshua, and predates God officially as that spelling, just as Tyr/Tue does, the warrior of justice. The Cross being a sign of the Blade, as you inflict the almighty's punishment into a disobedient world.

Northern Paladin
Friday, June 11th, 2004, 11:26 PM
There is evidence that Whites were in the Americas before Mongolians and Africans. The Declaration of Independence was drafted by White slave-owners, and does not recognise non-Whites as full men. To that end, America - if it is to survive as America - must rediscover it's racialist ethos;

I think what matters most is not neccearly who got the Americas first but who has the capability of maintaining the highest Level of Civilization. That of course would be Whites and more Specifically those of North Western European Origin such as those who founded America and made it Great.


THIS is the American culture [like that of Emerson and Pound] that is NOT Judaised - on this is the future to be built, not on the superficialties of commercial "success"!

Commercial Success is the driving force behind American Capitalism and the base of the messed up Society we live in. Is it a suprise most of the Rich Industrialists looking for cheap labor who support Immigration both legal/illegal are Anglos? For Capital men will do anything in America and betraying the interests of their Race and Culture is no exception.


Now see here! I am not Aryan! I have a bloodline going back to the Scandinavian royal dynasties before Christianity and if Aryanism was passed down, I would have been raised in it!!! Sure, we have cattle and some crops from western Asia etc., but that doesn't make all of the people west of the Urals/Caucasus Aryan.

Hitler's use of Aryan has a whole different meaning than "Aryan" as the indo-european invaders of India who came from Iran.

Moody
Saturday, June 12th, 2004, 12:29 PM
Hitler's use of 'Aryan' was derived from a particular Germanic interpretation of the Aryan hypothesis; this says that the Aryans who invaded India in the second century BC and created the civilisation of the Vedas etc., were Nordics, and their culture 'Indo-Germanic'.

You can argue that Whites hold America by right of possession and development; but they may also hold it by right of 'here first', making a water-tight case.

It is false etymology to try and connect Aryan and Semitic names by the wholly unscientific method of "sounds similar" (!).
The name 'Jutes', for example, [cf., Jutland] is Aryan, and bears no relation to the Semitic name, Jews [cf., Judah].

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Saturday, June 12th, 2004, 01:00 PM
The name Mary is not semetic, it is latin at best, meaning maritime, marine, mare of the sea. It is also a name used for marriage.
James is related to games or gametes, meaning marriage and also the genetics term. Those are just two such examples of why you are wrong! Then, we have Elisabeth. It is a compound word. Elisa=Alice, a greek name, possibly related to Elysian. Beth is something I forgot, but I am sure there is a cognate in greek. Maybe beauty. Aha, Elysian Beauty!

Degenerate
Saturday, June 12th, 2004, 06:28 PM
Haven't looked at the forum in a couple of days, but I will respond none the less. There are always exceptions in cultural patterns and there are civilized decent Americans as well as the latter. But I don't understand why you consistently believe there is hope for America's future. Do you not see the American morals of cultural integration? I don't understand how a serious 'nationalist' can possibly support morals that are doing just the opposite. And of course there are serious irreverisble 'flaws' in European culture that cannot be changed. If you believe that Europe is a product of subtle 'Judiasation' unfortunately that is what European culture has become. That 'Judiasation' is European culture now, and it cannot be changed. If christianity is simply a product of Jewish culture, well, unfortunately Christianity is an important aspect of European culture now, and Christianity has influenced the products of Civilization. So this nullifies any 'Aryan' roots from the start, because those aspects have become unimportant. If you believe that Europe can be changed from this 'Judiasation' you would be reversing European culture back to its original state. Err... I'm starting to ramble. But all European countries are important to European culture equally, not just those of 'aryan' decent.

Errr... I would also like to address how you measure success. Tell me, what is the point of trying to do something that will almost certainly never be successful? How do you expect to bring all of Europe to your beliefs, election? Military Coup? you have to adapt to be more realistic. Not to mention that NS is becoming obselete, just as pure Democracy is becoming. Errr.. I'll let you fight it out.

There's alot of holes in this response, so try to stay objective. Thanks

Degenerate
Saturday, June 12th, 2004, 06:39 PM
Errr... You say that we should 'appreciate' Aryan culture, I would also like you to explain what you mean by 'appreciate.' If you say 'appreciate' means that Aryan culture should govern the teachings and policies of a pan-European government, then that is false. Why should 'aryan' culture govern the laws on non-Aryans? Yes, we should appreciate Aryan culture. But there is a driving difference.

Moody
Sunday, June 13th, 2004, 12:48 PM
The name Mary is not semetic, it is latin at best, meaning maritime, marine, mare of the sea. It is also a name used for marriage.
James is related to games or gametes, meaning marriage and also the genetics term. Those are just two such examples of why you are wrong! Then, we have Elisabeth. It is a compound word. Elisa=Alice, a greek name, possibly related to Elysian. Beth is something I forgot, but I am sure there is a cognate in greek. Maybe beauty. Aha, Elysian Beauty!

The names you refer to [Mary/James/Elisabeth] are all of Hebrew origin, and are attested in English usage only after the introduction of Christianity. Not surprising as they are all Biblical names.
They are not, therefore, Aryan names.

To Degenerate; In the conflict between Aryan and Semitic culture, Aryans would do well to choose the Aryan culture!

Aryan culture is able to assimilate lesser cultures, so I do not take the view that one bad apple spoils the whole bunch.
Also non-Aryan culture is often a piece of Aryanism that has been stolen and twisted into its opposite.
Therefore non-Aryan values need to be reversed [cf., Nietzsche's 'transvaluation of Christian Values'].

So the project of a KulturKampf is perfectly viable, and should be an on-going necessity. We should look at everything and say, 'how Aryan is this'? - and then make the appropriate adjustments.

America is just a recent colony of Europe [like Canada, New Zealand, Australia etc.,] - the fact that it has achieved super-powerdom tends to exaggerate its importance culturally.
Its Aryan aspects are still alive and can be revivified - after all, competing cultures, such as the Jewish and Negroid, cannot really compare with a cultural heritage which ranges back to Europa and the Aryans - the Makers of Civilisation.

Degenerate
Sunday, June 13th, 2004, 04:15 PM
Perhaps these European 'colonies' do have Aryan roots, but the population of these colonies themselves deny it! They believe they are American, and I don't see how that can be ever changed. Also, you still didn't answer my comment concerning the degeneration of American culture. You can possibly expect a nation whose morals are built around cultural degeneration to be viable of a Nationalist movement. Thinking realistically, it doesn't matter who was in American 'first,' rather, it still wouldn't be fair today despite this to rule a culturally varied nation under an 'Aryan' regime. There would be total anarchy! Err... I hope you reconsider and include just Europe in your nationalist ideals. America has destroyed Europe, and it shouldn't be allowed to do it again. Europe must be seperated completely from American culture. And you can't just assimilate those 'bad-apples,' you must learn to accomodate them.

Moody
Monday, June 14th, 2004, 04:03 PM
There are quite a few American racialist movements who use the title 'Aryan', and who believe in the Aryan hypothesis.
'America' is a branch of Aryan Europe; it has tremendous resources and cannot be just given up.

The only worthwhile culture in America is that of Aryan derivation, and so can be worked with in the future.
The KKK will be brought into the mainstream and Memorials will go up to Emerson, Pound and Rockwell!

Sunne Æcern Bær
Friday, July 2nd, 2004, 09:28 PM
1) National Socialism [N-S] is "objectively" alive; there are N-S groups all over the world following the N-S Way. How then can N-S be "dead"?
You are right and wrong, you are right in your mind that National Socialism is alive in a corrupted way like all of the groups of today that we all know of...And non of these groups are following the truth way of National Socialism "yes" there may be some things that they are going but if it is not done the true way it can not be consisdered National Socialism.

Moody
Monday, July 5th, 2004, 04:27 PM
You are right and wrong, you are right in your mind that National Socialism is alive in a corrupted way like all of the groups of today that we all know of...And non of these groups are following the truth way of National Socialism "yes" there may be some things that they are going but if it is not done the true way it can not be consisdered National Socialism.

Fascinating post; could you elucidate on what you call "the truth way of National Socialism"?

If you have a lot of material on the issue, you could even start a new thread on the topic.

Sunne Æcern Bær
Monday, July 5th, 2004, 07:52 PM
Fascinating post; could you elucidate on what you call "the truth way of National Socialism"?

If you have a lot of material on the issue, you could even start a new thread on the topic.
I am sorry I do not have any material, all I have is my memories, and my blood...
For me to even explain the truth it will not be truely explaining, because it isn't a matter of explaining/reading a defintion, you must remember the truth through the memories of your blood and reawaken the path to your astral body to remember the true way of life and National Socialism!

The Dagda
Monday, July 5th, 2004, 07:55 PM
You are right and wrong, you are right in your mind that National Socialism is alive in a corrupted way like all of the groups of today that we all know of...And non of these groups are following the truth way of National Socialism "yes" there may be some things that they are going but if it is not done the true way it can not be consisdered National Socialism.
I fully agree with you, I have said many times before that White Nationalism has bastardised National Socialism over the years. We have to look to Adolf Hitler for true National Socialism, not to modern groups that use the swastika
as a hate symbol.

Moody
Monday, July 5th, 2004, 08:13 PM
But The Dagda and Jadhi seem to be saying something different to each other.

The former seems to be saying that N-S should follow closely the historical example of the NSDAP, the German Third Reich etc.,, while the latter seems to maintain an esoteric approach of 'Blood', as seen on the astral plane.

So the former would see all departures from historical corectness as wrong [but what about changing circumstances?], while the latter implies that corrupted Blood renders N-S impossible.

Both appraches are in conflict in one another because the first emphasises a practical political organisation while the second implies a mystical movement.

Anyway, that is how interpret these messages.

Sunne Æcern Bær
Monday, July 5th, 2004, 11:16 PM
I fully agree with you, I have said many times before that White Nationalism has bastardised National Socialism over the years. We have to look to Adolf Hitler for true National Socialism, not to modern groups that use the swastika
as a hate symbol.
Yes, "White Nationalism" has bastardised National Socialism, along with other Neo groups in that manner. And yes you are right all these moden groups using our sacred symbol as a hate symbol is extreamly wrong! Because as I said before National Socialism is not about hate, because hatred is a creation of Zion. We must not hate others for there stupidity/moronic behaviour ect. because it is not technicaly their fault; even to go back to their parents it is still not their fault, you must start at the begining of the corruption to fix it, yes I will say is is quite hard to not really hate a person for whatever reason but always remember the darkness is in them, and more so feel sorry that they are corrupted then hate them try and help them understand the truth, because if we go on and on hating others it is just what Yahweh and the Zionist want - choas and the abolishment of our truth.

Sunne Æcern Bær
Monday, July 5th, 2004, 11:29 PM
But The Dagda and Jadhi seem to be saying something different to each other.

The former seems to be saying that N-S should follow closely the historical example of the NSDAP, the German Third Reich etc.,, while the latter seems to maintain an esoteric approach of 'Blood', as seen on the astral plane.

So the former would see all departures from historical corectness as wrong [but what about changing circumstances?], while the latter implies that corrupted Blood renders N-S impossible.

Both appraches are in conflict in one another because the first emphasises a practical political organisation while the second implies a mystical movement.

Anyway, that is how interpret these messages.

I never did state that I do not stand for what the NSDAP stands for....
Even people under National Socialist rule in WW2, did not fully support, yet alone understand the true meaning of it, because even in that time area we were still in the darkage. So there was still many people with darkness in them. If National Socialism progressed up here people would have slowly but surely seen the light and remembered their memories though their blood. But I am not saying that no one else wouldn't be able to remember without the Reich in order, there is still people up here who have it and will one days fully see it. In a way it will help them to be a bit stronger by being directly in the core of corruption and seeing the light through it and remembering.

Moody
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 05:08 PM
I never did state that I do not stand for what the NSDAP stands for....
Even people under National Socialist rule in WW2, did not fully support, yet alone understand the true meaning of it, because even in that time area we were still in the darkage. So there was still many people with darkness in them. If National Socialism progressed up here people would have slowly but surely seen the light and remembered their memories though their blood. But I am not saying that no one else wouldn't be able to remember without the Reich in order, there is still people up here who have it and will one days fully see it. In a way it will help them to be a bit stronger by being directly in the core of corruption and seeing the light through it and remembering.

Do you not allow for the fact that all things ... EVOLVE?

Is is it not possible that N-S would look very different in the year 2004 compared to the year 1934?

Are you saying that 'evolution' is nothing but 'bastardisation'?

Wasn't N-S itself a SYNTHESIS?

Do you regard synthesisation ans being tantamount to bastardisation?

The Dagda
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 07:37 PM
But The Dagda and Jadhi seem to be saying something different to each other.

The former seems to be saying that N-S should follow closely the historical example of the NSDAP, the German Third Reich etc.,, while the latter seems to maintain an esoteric approach of 'Blood', as seen on the astral plane.

So the former would see all departures from historical corectness as wrong [but what about changing circumstances?], while the latter implies that corrupted Blood renders N-S impossible.

Both appraches are in conflict in one another because the first emphasises a practical political organisation while the second implies a mystical movement.

Anyway, that is how interpret these messages.
I believe that times change, but you should always look to Adolf Hitler as the
foundation of your beliefs. Not only do times change but no two countries are
the same, so there will always be variations from nation to nation.

The Dagda
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 07:44 PM
Do you not allow for the fact that all things ... EVOLVE?

Is is it not possible that N-S would look very different in the year 2004 compared to the year 1934?

Are you saying that 'evolution' is nothing but 'bastardisation'?

Wasn't N-S itself a SYNTHESIS?

Do you regard synthesisation ans being tantamount to bastardisation?
My view on this is that NS should look different now, but the ideology should
always remain the same. Evolution is not bastardisation, White Nationalism is
bastardisation when WN utilise NS symbols. I don't believe we should look
outside Europe for true National Socialism.

Sunne Æcern Bær
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 10:23 PM
Do you not allow for the fact that all things ... EVOLVE?

Is is it not possible that N-S would look very different in the year 2004 compared to the year 1934?

Are you saying that 'evolution' is nothing but 'bastardisation'?

Wasn't N-S itself a SYNTHESIS?

Do you regard synthesisation ans being tantamount to bastardisation?
I never said EVOLUTION is bastardisation! I said White Nationalism is
bastardisation! Because there is a very big difference between evolution and corruption...as what White Nationalism is, they have no right to use our symbols ect.. are not truely stand by them....that is not evolution.

Sunne Æcern Bær
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 10:26 PM
My view on this is that NS should look different now, but the ideology should
always remain the same. Evolution is not bastardisation, White Nationalism is
bastardisation when WN utilise NS symbols. I don't believe we should look
outside Europe for true National Socialism.
Very nicely said Dagda, atleast someone can see some of it threw the right way.

Sunne Æcern Bær
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 10:38 PM
Do you not allow for the fact that all things ... EVOLVE?

Is is it not possible that N-S would look very different in the year 2004 compared to the year 1934?

Are you saying that 'evolution' is nothing but 'bastardisation'?

Wasn't N-S itself a SYNTHESIS?

Do you regard synthesisation ans being tantamount to bastardisation?
I forgot to add, National Socialism does look different in our time 2004 because Aryans evolve, not like all these corrupted slaves of Zion thinking that they are doing a right thing by using our symbols and inverting things, they have no right! I could understand if people would follow exactly how it was back in the Reich, the people that do consisder themselves as National Socialist, because it was left the way it was up here like that so they should follow it as much as it was, but of course you have to still be apart of the Zionist world.

Northern Paladin
Tuesday, July 6th, 2004, 10:44 PM
I forgot to add, National Socialism does look different in our time 2004 because Aryans evolve

I don't think it's "Aryans" have evolved much. It's the Surroundings(Geo-Political Environment) that has changed.


If NS or WN is to succeed it needs to be adpated to the Times.

Moody
Wednesday, July 7th, 2004, 04:17 PM
Of course - but is adaptation 'bastardisation'?

Some will say that it is, just as what is 'evolution' for some, is 'bastardisation' for others.

The fallacy in this point of the discussion is in trying to compare a specific [the NSDAP/ N-S] with a genera ['White Nationalism' /WN].

When some say that WN is a 'bastardisation' of N-S, what WN group are they referring to?
Isn't N-S a part of the genera WN?

In what way is there a 'bastardistion' in particular [un-named] WN groups?

We hear much mention made of 'symbols', and yet the NSDAP did not invent ANY of its symbols!
They used symbols which were already in use!

So I think there is little to be said for the vague charge that WN has 'bastardised' N-S.

Also, we note a shift within N-S ideology itself during the short period of 1933-1943, particularly on the important issue of Christianity.
And even then there were at least two distinct movements within N-S [this has been dealt with in the thread on Ernst Rohm and the 'SA Approach'].

So is there really a single N-S dogma from which none should deviate ... anyway?

Sunne Æcern Bær
Wednesday, July 7th, 2004, 06:04 PM
Of course - but is adaptation 'bastardisation'?

Some will say that it is, just as what is 'evolution' for some, is 'bastardisation' for others.

The fallacy in this point of the discussion is in trying to compare a specific [the NSDAP/ N-S] with a genera ['White Nationalism' /WN].

When some say that WN is a 'bastardisation' of N-S, what WN group are they referring to?
Isn't N-S a part of the genera WN?

In what way is there a 'bastardistion' in particular [un-named] WN groups?

We hear much mention made of 'symbols', and yet the NSDAP did not invent ANY of its symbols!
They used symbols which were already in use!

So I think there is little to be said for the vague charge that WN has 'bastardised' N-S.

Also, we note a shift within N-S ideology itself during the short period of 1933-1943, particularly on the important issue of Christianity.
And even then there were at least two distinct movements within N-S [this has been dealt with in the thread on Ernst Rohm and the 'SA Approach'].

So is there really a single N-S dogma from which none should deviate ... anyway?
No, adaption is not 'bastardation'! As I have already stated that WN ect. is not adaption nor evolotion!
As for myself and my others we refer to all and every "neo" group - WN,skinheads,all of them.
Also when you stated "that Isn't N-S a part of the genera WN?" you are wrong National Socialism was not and never will be in the genera of WN! The reason why some people see it that way is because they listen to the lies of the darkness...
For your question "In what way is there a 'bastardistion' in particular [un-named] WN groups?" First off they are already corrupted by mix and matching different morals ect. that are irrelavant to each other. Also all these people calling themselves "Aryan" yet they do not abid the true ways that an Aryan is to follow and show honor to!
As for the NSDAP yes you are right about that they did not make up our symbols. Because they have been apart of us from our begining, so it would make sense that they would not have made the symbols up, they re-introducd them to our people to show them the light!

Philosopher
Wednesday, July 7th, 2004, 09:42 PM
I am sorry I do not have any material, all I have is my memories, and my blood...
For me to even explain the truth it will not be truely explaining, because it isn't a matter of explaining/reading a defintion, you must remember the truth through the memories of your blood and reawaken the path to your astral body to remember the true way of life and National Socialism!
Cheap cop-out.

Adolph Hitler wrote on many occasions that in every right-thinking people, there arise in every generation a few people who are especially qualified by virtue of their breeding, by dint of their studies and diligent application, to know the truth and to convey the truth both in the abstract and in terms of practical application. It is the role of the Party to find those people, to complete their training, and to guide those specially-fit standard-bearers in leading the masses: those who are as incapable of grasping the truth as ding an sich as a pig is of performing trigonometric calculations but who are capable of being led.

This is National Socialist truth. It is termed the Fuhrer Principle. You are not fir to call yourself National Socialist if you do not understand this truth and if you do not know your role, whether as leader or follower.

Siegfried
Wednesday, July 7th, 2004, 11:52 PM
Whoever may have called themselves Aryan in the past, no longer exist as ethnopolitical realities. The point is thus; how do we use the term 'Aryan' in a modern context? As Aryan is derived from an Indo-European root meaning 'noble', the term means exactly that to me: noble or exalted. Aryan is thus taken out of the purely racial (though a noble lineage is, of course, a pro), and into the symbolical, spiritual and cultural.
To us, White Europeans, the question is no longer 'who is Aryan?' but rather 'how do we become Aryan?'

Moody
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 05:06 PM
Whoever may have called themselves Aryan in the past, no longer exist as ethnopolitical realities. The point is thus; how do we use the term 'Aryan' in a modern context? As Aryan is derived from an Indo-European root meaning 'noble', the term means exactly that to me: noble or exalted. Aryan is thus taken out of the purely racial (though a noble lineage is, of course, a pro), and into the symbolical, spiritual and cultural.
To us, White Europeans, the question is no longer 'who is Aryan?' but rather 'how do we become Aryan?'

I do not feel the need to 'compartmentalise'.
As I see life as a continual process of Becoming, Being, and Passing-Away to New Becoming, then Aryanism fits that process like a glove.

We must BECOME Aryans, as you say; but then we are Aryans in Being also, whether ascending or declining.

Aryanism is a Totality.

It is not limited to the Body.
It is not limited to the Spirit.
It is not limited to the Past.
It is not limited to the Present.
It is not limited to the Future.

But it is ALL those things; not one whit added or SUBTRACTED.

Hitler defined the Aryans as the Culture-Bearing Race - and that is totally existential.

Moody
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 05:11 PM
All these people calling themselves "Aryan" yet they do not abid the true ways that an Aryan is to follow and show honor to!

Fine, but we need you to tell us what the "true ways" are so that we can know where all the other WN groups are going wrong!
This is a genuine question and will help us all progress.

Sunne Æcern Bær
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 10:02 PM
Fine, but we need you to tell us what the "true ways" are so that we can know where all the other WN groups are going wrong!
This is a genuine question and will help us all progress.
I cannot tell corrupted people the truth they are lost in the darkness they will never be free in this life and most likely others because they are weak to begin with that is why they are in total darkness...only the remainder of the strong will rise!!!

Sunne Æcern Bær
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 10:16 PM
Cheap cop-out.

Adolph Hitler wrote on many occasions that in every right-thinking people, there arise in every generation a few people who are especially qualified by virtue of their breeding, by dint of their studies and diligent application, to know the truth and to convey the truth both in the abstract and in terms of practical application. It is the role of the Party to find those people, to complete their training, and to guide those specially-fit standard-bearers in leading the masses: those who are as incapable of grasping the truth as ding an sich as a pig is of performing trigonometric calculations but who are capable of being led.

This is National Socialist truth. It is termed the Fuhrer Principle. You are not fir to call yourself National Socialist if you do not understand this truth and if you do not know your role, whether as leader or follower.

How dare to say I am not a National Socialist, and that I don't know my role! If you were hounestly 'true' you would have felt my energy! And what you wrote above what are you trying to say in relations with what I said?! Are you saying that I copied what mine Führer said or something? Because I would not lie! For one thing lieing creates for chaos and corruption, and it is a very Zionist thing to do, and it is one of the very important morals that an Aryan is not to do, always be truthful - do not lie even if it is to save yourself from something, then you would be selfish. But truth Aryans will not lie anyways...

Moody
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 06:04 PM
We get one pointer here for what is Aryan in N-S;
The committment to Truth.

To speak the Truth, and to do the Truthful thing at all times.

This according to Jadhi is a typical Aryan/ N-S trait.

So we must infer then, that some [or all, if you take Jadhi's line] WN groups are not Truthful, therefore they are 'bastardised'.

Does this ring 'true' to you?

Surely there must be more to it than that.

After all, The Third Reich did not mind deceiving her enemies at times, and so definitely used untruth on occasions!

The Dagda
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 06:36 PM
We get one pointer here for what is Aryan in N-S;
The committment to Truth.

To speak the Truth, and to do the Truthful thing at all times.

This according to Jadhi is a typical Aryan/ N-S trait.

So we must infer then, that some [or all, if you take Jadhi's line] WN groups are not Truthful, therefore they are 'bastardised'.

Does this ring 'true' to you?

Surely there must be more to it than that.

After all, The Third Reich did not mind deceiving her enemies at times, and so definitely used untruth on occasions!
Jadhi didn't say WN groups were not truthful, she said they were not true National Socialism.

Moody
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 07:03 PM
Jadhi didn't say WN groups were not truthful, she said they were not true National Socialism.

We are trying to get at what is "true" N-S in this thread.

Those who speak of 'True N-S' must have an idea of what constitutes this truth, and should be able to express it.

We have so far agreed that the Aryan aspect is relevant to N-S; indeed, some would say that this is ESSENTIAL to N-S.
But then this leads many to ask what Aryan actually IS.

Jadhi makes it a moral concept, i.e., the idea that we must always tell the Truth.

So N-S will be marked out by its consistent 'Truthfulness' - that is 'true' N-S.

But as I have implied, historical N-S fell short of this at times for pragamatic reasons.

So I ask, must Aryans ALWAYS tell the truth, no matter what?

The Dagda
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 07:26 PM
We are trying to get at what is "true" N-S in this thread.

Those who speak of 'True N-S' must have an idea of what constitutes this truth, and should be able to express it.

We have so far agreed that the Aryan aspect is relevant to N-S; indeed, some would say that this is ESSENTIAL to N-S.
But then this leads many to ask what Aryan actually IS.

Jadhi makes it a moral concept, i.e., the idea that we must always tell the Truth.

So N-S will be marked out by its consistent 'Truthfulness' - that is 'true' N-S.

But as I have implied, historical N-S fell short of this at times for pragamatic reasons.

So I ask, must Aryans ALWAYS tell the truth, no matter what?
We have to distinguish between Adolf Hitler the politician and Adolf Hitler the
philosopher.
The former died in 1945, while the latter is eternal.
When you talk about Aryan you are talking only about Adolf Hitler the politician.The Aryan that Hitler refers to is a German version of Sorels "Myth" concept, every nation and people have a "Myth".
True National Socialism refers to Adolf Hitler the philosopher and can be applied to any nation.

Moody
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 07:37 PM
We have to distinguish between Adolf Hitler the politician and Adolf Hitler the
philosopher.
The former died in 1945, while the latter is eternal.
When you talk about Aryan you are talking only about Adolf Hitler the politician.The Aryan that Hitler refers to is a German version of Sorels "Myth" concept, every nation and people have a "Myth".
True National Socialism refers to Adolf Hitler the philosopher and can be applied to any nation.

I don't think you can separate the philosophy from the politics.
The philosophy is closest to the Mythical element anyway.
'Aryanism' extends far beyond politics - it is the mythic element of N-S.

The Dagda
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 08:29 PM
I don't think you can separate the philosophy from the politics.
The philosophy is closest to the Mythical element anyway.
'Aryanism' extends far beyond politics - it is the mythic element of N-S.
Aryanism is the mythical element of German NS.
Different nations have different myths.

HVH
Sunday, July 11th, 2004, 11:33 PM
Aryan is spiritual... and not this "non-excistint" spiritual many people take into hand... it is spiritual, it is the blood...
and if you do not follow your soul, your *blood-memory* you are lost... and most in this world are lost... and I meen most!

If you do not understand-see the truth, then there for you are not Aryan...
I am not saying I am Aryan, I come from Aryan, but the next Root-race....

It might be hard to understand, but if you think about it.... well only some people... they will understand it...
you cannot un-corrupt, corrupted people... they must help themselves by learning and remembering on there own, but in this care there is no chance for anyone... well the high majority.

Aryans are of... I will hide the real names and use *truth*
from this... everyone of *truth* speaks truth, it is not that they have to... it is that they do... it is not a "rule" to follow but in away it would be for somone who is not of *truth*
*truth* speaks truth and never lies, tho not explaining all of what somone asks etc. is not lying... it is just... not finishing.... so many things we will say but will not finish, just to see how your mind works to it... and to see if you have any clue what we are talking about....

Our words might seem abit confusing and mixed up... but there is a certain way at looking at them....

So we might say afew things but when you ask for us to explain we wont... because that is where you need to figure it out on your own... and if you cannot... well we all ready knew you could not... in away we still have hope, that is why we post but, put it this way... if you were to bring somone up the stairs really fast... and they cannot see... they will fall...
just as if you were explaing many things to somone who is blind to them....
so you must say, the stairs are here, you are blind.... can you use your sences to guide yourself up the stair-case?

Moody
Monday, July 12th, 2004, 03:55 PM
The Aryan mythos is not the sole preserve of the Germans. It is though, an important philosophical/spiritual element in N-S.
A National Socialism not based on Aryanism becomes a different species of N-S [call it non-Aryan N-S, for example].

"HVH" seems to be following the line of Jadhi very closely, in only being able to say that N-S is Truth and Truth is N-S and that is all ye need to know [to paraphrase Keats]!

Essentially they cannot even BEGIN to explain what THEY mean by Aryan, possibly because they have never thought about it before.

Of course, it is the purpose of this thread to examine this within the context of N-S.

However, it does not do for us to merely say that one's inability to explain is due to the impossibility of such an explanation.
Perhaps it is our own lack here; a bad workman blaming his or her tools.

It does not do either to imply that those who ask for an explanation do not deserve one.
Or that only those who are in the know will ever know, so everyone else can go away.

The purpose of a forum is discussion.

I have tried to explain what "Aryan" means to me above; I believe that N-S must have this Aryan Mythos, but Aryanism is not restricted to N-S of course.

The Dagda
Monday, July 12th, 2004, 04:04 PM
I have tried to explain what "Aryan" means to me above; I believe that N-S must have this Aryan Mythos, but Aryanism is not restricted to N-S of course.
The NSJAP have the Myth of the Samurai, for me that's their "Aryan Myth."
Does this concur with your view?

Moody
Monday, July 12th, 2004, 04:10 PM
The NSJAP have the Myth of the Samurai, for me that's their "Aryan Myth."
Does this concur with your view?

It's their 'Turanian Mythos'; parallel to the 'Aryan Mythos', but not the same.

So N-S is, in terms of its origination, based on the Aryan/Nordic Mythos.

Versions of N-S which are non-Aryan or non-Nordic, are a different species of N-S.

Japanese N-S is an example of this non-Aryan/non-Nordic Mythos.

The Dagda
Monday, July 12th, 2004, 07:03 PM
Versions of N-S which are non-Aryan or non-Nordic, are a different species of N-S.
If they see Adolf Hitler as their philosopher (as the NSJAP do) then aren't they the same species?

Moody
Tuesday, July 13th, 2004, 03:27 PM
If they see Adolf Hitler as their philosopher (as the NSJAP do) then aren't they the same species?

They are a different species because of their differing Blood and Soil [a central aspect of all National Socialisms], although they are part of the same genera of Nationalisms, as I said.

Famously, the Japanese National Socialist, Nakano Seigo, exhorted his fellow Nippons to;

"Write your own Mein Kampf!"

Illustrating that the Japanese take on N-S would be peculiar to Japan and thus a form of non-Aryan N-S.

Griffin quotes Seigo's piece in his 'Fascism, an Oxford Reader';
You can find it under the following headings;

Part III: Abortive Fascisms;
b. Non-European Fascisms;
iv Japan;
section 125

Link to Griffin's book;
http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/Politics/InternationalStudies/?view=usa&sf=toc&ci=0192892495

HVH
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 12:28 AM
Turanian are part of a different root-race, which came before Aryan.
if you want to know how the NSJAP really are, i suggest you ask me....
or talk to my brothers in NSJAP.

not all but, the leader (Who i will not give out his name) he follows much of truth.

i will leave it at that.

Moody
Friday, July 16th, 2004, 05:43 PM
Turanian are part of a different root-race, which came before Aryan.
if you want to know how the NSJAP really are, i suggest you ask me....
or talk to my brothers in NSJAP.

not all but, the leader (Who i will not give out his name) he follows much of truth.

i will leave it at that.

With respect, it was my contention that the Turanian Mythos of Japanese N-S was different to the Aryan Mythos of N-S proper.

I would like to think that both the Turanian and the Aryan adhere to the Truth as they see it.

So 'Truth' as such, while being an Aryan virtue, is not EXCLUSIVELY difinitive of Aryanism as such.

We are looking for features which define Aryanism as such in relation to N-S.

Prussian
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 01:33 PM
I fully agree with you, I have said many times before that White Nationalism has bastardised National Socialism over the years. We have to look to Adolf Hitler for true National Socialism, not to modern groups that use the swastika as a hate symbol.Agreed, such an example is as follows,

"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe."

-Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

and then we have this, Lane's "infamous" 14 words.

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"

-David Lane

As it can be clearly seen the 14 word's origins do not come purely from the mind of Lane alone, he has merely moulded it to fit into a pan-european heritage sense and simplified it to such an extent that the same message is replayed in a poorly disguised format.

Moody
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 04:59 PM
The ideas of David Lane fully acknowledge their source.

They are directly inspired by the Aryanism of N-S.

I hope that no-one here is suggesting that the beautiful lines of the 14 words are any kind of "bastardisation" of N-S!

They are very much a modern expression of N-S, and are in the spirit of Hilterism.

Link to 14 Words;
http://www.14words.com/home

http://www.skrewdriver.net/14words.jpg

Prussian
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 05:48 PM
I hope that no-one here is suggesting that the beautiful lines of the 14 words are any kind of "bastardisation" of N-S!

They are very much a modern expression of N-S, and are in the spirit of Hilterism.
I would not call it "bastardisation" of NS rather it is better fitting to be described as recycled rhetoric of a previous ideological school of thought under the banner of white nationalism.

Lane himself seems to be an intelligent fellow and quiet clearly constructive in the sense of restructuring previous ideas within the fabric of ideology.

Moody
Wednesday, July 21st, 2004, 04:12 PM
I would not call it "bastardisation" of NS rather it is better fitting to be described as recycled rhetoric of a previous ideological school of thought under the banner of white nationalism.

Lane himself seems to be an intelligent fellow and quiet clearly constructive in the sense of restructuring previous ideas within the fabric of ideology.

His 14 Words Press has brought out a new edition of the 19th century book 'Might Is Right'; this has had an impact on modern N-S thought.
This book is PRE-N-S, and so this shows that Lane is not just recycling N-S.

Also, Lane has done some good work on the spiritual aspects of Wodenism and related them to WN; this again is a step ONWARD from N-S which was embryonic in such matters.

So the charge made earlier in this thread that WN [such as Lane] had "bastardised" N-S is without foundation.
Neither has Lane "recycled" N-S as far as I can see.

Prussian
Wednesday, July 21st, 2004, 04:56 PM
Interesting..... what I don't understand is the contridiction in the statement.

Firstly this...

This book is PRE-N-S, and so this shows that Lane is not just recycling N-S........and then this.....


Neither has Lane "recycled" N-S as far as I can see.Firstly it says that Lane himself is not just recycling National Socialist thought thus also recycling other material from some other ideological foundation. In turn there is a later denial of the first claim, confused.:confused

There is no doubt that Lane is indeed a leading figure head of the White Nationalist movement today,however I am simply questioning the origins of the fourteen words not his overall material.

So the charge made earlier in this thread that WN [such as Lane] had "bastardised" N-S is without foundation.well there is enough foundation in this comparision for me, but of course that is a matter of opinion in such matters though I would not exactly call it bastardization.

"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe."

-Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

and then we have this, Lane's "infamous" 14 words.

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children"

-David Lane.
The comparision between to the two is uncanny and certainly are striking in resemblence of the meaning of the actual content itself, again this is mere opinionism but I see it as a solid foundation.

Moody
Wednesday, July 21st, 2004, 05:11 PM
Firstly it says that Lane himself is not just recycling National Socialist thought thus also recycling other material from some other ideological foundation. In turn there is a later denial of the first claim, confused.:confused

Sure; I responded first to the claim that Lane was ONLY recycling N-S by referring to his championing of the pre-N-S book MIR. I said this showed that Lane was not "just" recycling N-S if we take your accusation at face value.
In other words, IF he is "recycling N-S", then MIR proves that he is not "just" [only] doing that.
Then I went on to Lane's Wotanism [his main ideological thrust], and concluded from that that he was NOT recycling N-S.
Of course he IS influenced by N-S - that cannot be denied; he is also putting out versions of N-S [such as Mein Kampf], and this could be called "recycling" by those who are looking at these things cynically.
But his advocacy of MIR and Wotanism shows that he goes far beyond any kind of re-cycling of N-S.


There is no doubt that Lane is indeed a leading figure head of the White Nationalist movement today,however I am simply questioning the origins of the fourteen words not his overall material.
well there is enough foundation in this comparision for me, but of course that is a matter of opinion in such matters though I would not exactly call it bastardization.

To be influenced is not to "bastardise"; who in the WN movement cannot FAIL to be influenced by N-S and MK?
That his 14 Words are derived from N-S is no bad thing if that is genuine influence; it cannot therefore be called "recycling" or "bastardisation".


The comparision between to the two is uncanny and certainly are striking in resemblence of the meaning of the actual content itself, again this is mere opinionism but I see it as a solid foundation.

A foundation for influence [and who hasn't been influenced by Hitler in some way or another?]; but not a foundation for plagiarism.

Prussian
Wednesday, July 21st, 2004, 06:00 PM
To be influenced is not to "bastardise"; who in the WN movement cannot FAIL to be influenced by N-S and MK?
That his 14 Words are derived from N-S is no bad thing if that is genuine influence; it cannot therefore be called "recycling" or "bastardisation".Of course to be influenced is not to bastardise and if you pay close attention to my words I did not call or categorise it as being bastardised, look to a previous poster who used the term in giving his opinion.

Nor is it a bad thing but "recycle" is a fitting term considering it's meaning as "to pass again through a series of changes or to remake into something different".

Thus in this recycling process Lane himself took previous ideas and remodelled them fitting for the task or objective at hand.

A foundation for influence [and who hasn't been influenced by Hitler in some way or another?]; but not a foundation for plagiarism.Who mentioned plagiarism? Plagiarism was not the flow of my point rather I am questioning the origins and influence of the fourteen words nothing more nothing less. Truthfully Lane did a good job with the fourteen words and acted in accordance with making it fit within the framework of White Nationalist ideology.

Yes many have been influenced including Lane himself and same goes for how many christians have been influenced by the holy bible.

Moody
Wednesday, July 21st, 2004, 06:15 PM
Of course to be influenced is not to bastardise ... "recycle" is a fitting term considering it's meaning as "to pass again through a series of changes or to remake into something different.

But 'recycling' has a pejorative sense, which was first meant by those who tried to compare WN with N-S, to the former's disadvantage.

I see the influence as positive, as we seem to agree.

The Dagda
Thursday, July 22nd, 2004, 05:57 PM
But 'recycling' has a pejorative sense, which was first meant by those who tried to compare WN with N-S, to the former's disadvantage.

If you look at colonialism and the KKK, they were around long before NS, so WN already had their own philisophy long before Adolf Hitler came along, so
NS has obviously been hijacked by WN.

Moody
Thursday, July 22nd, 2004, 06:10 PM
If you look at colonialism and the KKK, they were around long before NS, so WN already had their own philisophy long before Adolf Hitler came along, so
NS has obviously been hijacked by WN.

That doesn't follow.

What 'colonialism' are you referring to?; many empires etc., had colonies.

The KKK, a secret society, were a specific response to the South losing the American Civil War.

RETROSPECTIVELY, we could place the KKK and N-S under the umbrella of WN.

Please explain, with examples, what you mean by "hijacking" in this connection?

The Dagda
Thursday, July 22nd, 2004, 06:21 PM
That doesn't follow.

What 'colonialism' are you referring to?; many empires etc., had colonies.

The KKK, a secret society, were a specific response to the South losing the American Civil War.

RETROSPECTIVELY, we could place the KKK and N-S under the umbrella of WN.

Please explain, with examples, what you mean by "hijacking" in this connection?
By colonialism I mean White nations taking land in Africa for example, and the
racial tension that followed with nations like Rhodesia becoming Zimbabwe and
post apartide South Africa.

By hijacking, I mean we live in the age of the internet so if a teenager wants to find some info on modern NS, he/she will type something in and will come across "NS" sites selling KKK and White Power merchandise and he/she will obviously link the two philosophies together and will therefore get a bastardised view of NS.

The Dagda
Thursday, July 22nd, 2004, 08:05 PM
RETROSPECTIVELY, we could place the KKK and N-S under the umbrella of WN.
NS would not go under the umbrella of WN because non-White nations can follow NS philosophy.

Prussian
Friday, August 6th, 2004, 04:54 AM
By hijacking, I mean we live in the age of the internet so if a teenager wants to find some info on modern NS, he/she will type something in and will come across "NS" sites selling KKK and White Power merchandise and he/she will obviously link the two philosophies together and will therefore get a bastardised view of NS.
In this sense it is undeniably true into such occurances being present on websites selling material of two different schools of thought and a youngster therefore linking the two philosophies/ideologies and concludes that the two are one and the same.

Northern Paladin
Friday, August 6th, 2004, 06:14 AM
In this sense it is undeniably true into such occurances being present on websites selling material of two different schools of thought and a youngster therefore linking the two philosophies/ideologies and concludes that the two are one and the same.


I think it's quite easy for any Semi-Intelligent youngster(if what you mean is teen) to know the difference between the KKK "White Power" Ideaology and NS Idealogy. I knew the distinction quite early as did some of my peers. As the distinction between the two are quite easy to draw White Power incoporating everyone of European backround into its movement and NS having a Nordic Germanocentric focus.

Prussian
Friday, August 6th, 2004, 11:53 AM
As the distinction between the two are quite easy to draw White Power incoporating everyone of European backround into its movement and NS having a Nordic Germanocentric focus.
I would not consider National Socialism in it's original form "Nordic Germanocentric" by any stretch of the imagination, rather it constitutes more so an element of "Pan-Teutonism" if it could be measured by policy, the conclusion that it is "Nordic Germanocentric" really does not follow through when the Reich itself sought to unify the alpinic austrians to the south and strengthen the bonds between volkers abroad as a good example would be the Transylvanian ethnic saxons & swabians.

Prussian
Friday, August 6th, 2004, 12:01 PM
I think it's quite easy for any Semi-Intelligent youngster(if what you mean is teen) to know the difference between the KKK "White Power" Ideaology and NS Idealogy. I knew the distinction quite early as did some of my peers.
I think in this case you could be an exception to the cause, though you could be right, I am just judging through my own experience on this and on the same note as would yourself.

I am glad to hear that some bright minded youth can make intelligent comparisions between the two ideological view points, though as some do a lot more don't which is rather unfortunate.:)

The Dagda
Friday, August 6th, 2004, 06:35 PM
As the distinction between the two are quite easy to draw White Power incoporating everyone of European backround into its movement and NS having a Nordic Germanocentric focus.
The NSDAP was about a "Nordic Germanocentric focus," but National Socialism
is about a Nationalist Folkish focus. What I'm saying is you don't have to be German or even White to be a National Socialist.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Sunday, June 3rd, 2018, 08:54 AM
I'm glad I don't engage in any kind of rationalizing of "British Israelism" anymore. I don't care for the association, because I don't feel it necessary to take credit for another person's culture--which the Nazis were doing with Aryanism. Nevertheless, it is true that not all of Jewishness is of Semitic origin, so it's funny to be called antisemitic when it's possible to oppose Aryan influences in Judaism, from the Babylonian Exilarchs who synthesized the Hebrew religion with that of the Persians in addition to other Semitic beliefs among Assyrians and Babylonians. Messianic Judaism is not far of from that too. Christianity rooted out Moses and was helpful for Greeks to assimilate MENA peoples, especially after Rome defeated and annexed Carthage. Modern secular Jews think more highly of Aryan Buddhism than anything Hebrew.

Sigebrond
Sunday, June 3rd, 2018, 03:55 PM
Aryan doesn't mean anything more than an Iranian tribe of race-mixing losers who mixed themselves out of existence.

Wuotans Krieger
Thursday, November 29th, 2018, 08:06 PM
Aryan doesn't mean anything more than an Iranian tribe of race-mixing losers who mixed themselves out of existence.

This is incorrect.


Sanskrit-Arya, the exalted, or noble, master, lord, an Aryan, one of the `exalted` ruling race.
Arya-man, a companion[Aryan].

Old Persian-Ariya. See above definition!

Iranian-Airya-a racial title used by Darius on his tomb. Has the same general sense as in the Sanskrit.

Hittite-Ara, member of one`s own group, peer, friend.

Lycian[Anatolian language from South-West Anatolia]-Arus, citizens.

Greek-Areion, better, stronger, braver, usually derived from Ares, war, but probably cognate with Airo, exalt. Ar-istos, best. Heros, a hero, a freeman. Arios or Herios a title of the Medes and Persians. Aeria or Herie, a Greek name for Egypt. Harma-chariot.

Gothic-Harri, lord or king. Her, a noble man. Her-sir, a chief, a lord.

Norwegian-Herre, lord, master, gentleman.

German-Herr, lord, master, gentleman.

Dutch-heer, lord, master, gentleman.

Cornish and Celtic-Arhu, command.

Old English-Hearra, lord, master. Eorl, Erl-cognate with Jarl, a chief, leader, hero, man of valour.

Modern English-Aryan, as a racial ruling title. Aristo-cracy, a government of the `best or strongest` men, the nobility, from the Greek: Aristo-crat, Aristo-cratic.

Old and Modern Irish-aire, freeman. Erin, Eire, Ireland-same sense as Aryavarta-land of the Aryans.

In the following languages the prefix ar has the connotation of to plough or till in certain words:

Latin-arare
Greek-aroun
Slavic-orati
Welsh-arad
Old English-erien
Gothic-arjan.

Closely related to this sense of the term the following langauges extend the use of the prefix to terms for the earth:

Modern English-earth
German-Erde
Dutch-aarde
Latin-arvum
Greek-era


The German word Ehre closely related to the Dutch eer which means honour also is a derivative of Aryan and generally conveys the notion of honourable conduct which is regarded as atypical of the Arya.