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Oski
Friday, December 18th, 2009, 04:13 AM
Mapping the God of Sperm

One of the Midwest's most prolific sperm donors may hold the key to understanding how genes affect our health.

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Kirk Maxey with two of his known donor offspring: Caitlyn and Ashley Swetland.

It's a crisp fall day in Northville, Mich., a small suburb of Ann Arbor, and Kirk Maxey, a soft-spoken, graying baby boomer with a classic square jaw, is watching his 12-year-old son chase a soccer ball toward the goal. Maxey is doing what he does every Saturday, along with hundreds of other family men and women across the country, but he's not your average soccer dad. Maxey, 51, happens to be one of the most prolific sperm donors in the country. Between 1980 and 1994, he donated at a Michigan clinic twice a week. He's looked at the records of his donations, multiplied by the number of individual vials each donation produced, and estimated the success of each vial resulting in a pregnancy. By his own calculations, he concluded that he is the biological father of nearly 400 children, spread across the state and possibly the country.

When Maxey was a medical student at the University of Michigan, his first wife, a nurse at a fertility clinic, persuaded him to start donating sperm to infertile couples. Maxey became the go-to stud for the clinic because his sperm had a high success rate of making women pregnant, which brought in good money for the clinic. Maxey himself made about $20 a donation, but says he was motivated to donate more out of a strong paternal instinct and sense of altruism. "I loved having kids, and to have these women doomed to wandering around with no family didn't seem right, and it's easy to come up with a semen donation," he says. "You would get a personal phone call from a nurse saying, 'The situation is urgent! We have a woman ovulating this morning. Can you be here in a half hour?' "

Maxey, now the CEO of Cayman Chemical, a 300-person global pharmaceutical company, says back then he just "didn't think about it a lot." He didn't have to. When he began volunteering, he wasn't asked to take any genetic tests and received no psychological screening or counseling. He merely signed a waiver of anonymity, locked himself in a room with a cup and a sexy magazine, and didn't consider the emotional or genetic consequences for another 30 years. Both his cavalier attitude and the clinic's lax standards, Maxey says, explain why he may have so many offspring. But now a fierce conscience is catching with his robust procreative drive. When he's not running his company, Maxey has become a devoted advocate for better government regulation of the sperm-donor business. He is also making his genome public through Harvard's Personal Genome Project, and hopes that the information collected there might one day help his offspring and their mothers. "I think it was quite reckless that sperm banks created so many offspring without keeping track of their or my health status," he says. "Since there could be [many families] that could have to know information about my health, this is my effort to correct the wrong."

Maxey began donating before sperm banking became the big visible business it is today, where single women and couples can purchase STD-free, Ivy League, celebrity-look-alike sperm that has been quarantined and meets FDA mandates. But, in the '70s and '80s, the business operated behind a veil of secrecy. A man could clandestinely make some extra cash by donating to an infertile couple, and more often than not the ob-gyn, not the prospective families, would choose the sperm—his favorite tennis partner, perhaps, or in the case of Kirk Maxey, the handsome, blue-eyed, Nordic husband of his nurse.

Now the confluence of genetic science and an increased awareness around the consequences of sperm donation is changing the game—and potentially the lives of Maxey's offspring. Today sperm donation is no longer a shadow business, partially because infertility, single motherhood, and homosexual parenting have become more socially acceptable. (The California Cryobank alone now sells an average of 30,000 vials of sperm a year.) At the same time, donors and offspring have begun to connect though genetic testing and Web sites like the Donor Sibling Registry. In 2007 two of Maxey's offspring, Ashley and Caitlyn Swetland, who are now 21 and 18, used the site to find Maxey, who had been a registered user since 2005. The sisters lived just 45 minutes away from Maxey, and soon began visiting a few times a year, going rock climbing with Maxey and his son or meeting up at an old-fashioned-style ice-cream parlor. No other children have come forward, but as Maxey's relationship with Ashley and Caitlyn progressed, he began to think about the consequences of his earlier donations.

"I had this 'Oh my God' moment, thinking, how many kids have been produced?" he says. "I thought the doctors were keeping track of each birth, but when I realized they weren't, I began to worry. What if they start dating one another?" He also began to worry about their genetic health. "I wanted to know if I have anything totally lethal or deranged or recessive in my genes that I may have passed along."

These were questions that neither the sperm bank nor the government was asking. Several times Maxey tried to contact IVF Michigan, the bank where he made most of his donations, but it refused to release any information, noting that he signed a waiver to give up his rights to know who used his sperm. That's still common practice among sperm banks unless a donor has agreed to be an "identity release" donor, which gives his offspring the right to get in touch when they turn 18. Even today, sperm banking is not strictly regulated. Currently, there are only recommended guidelines put in place by the American Society for Reproductive Medicine that say a donor should be required to provide a complete medical history to rule out "genetic abnormalities" or a family history of inherited disease and should receive proper counseling. The FDA has guidelines saying that a clinic cannot use a donor with a "relevant communicable disease agent or disease," but does not require genetic testing. Most banks do not do genetic testing either. Despite these loose attempts at guidelines, sperm banking continues to raise a host of ethical, medical, and financial questions. There's no social template for donors who are found by their offspring, or even rules about how many children should come from a single donor.

Clinics are now struggling to answer some of these questions. In October, The Journal of the American Medical Association reported that a 23-year-old donor used by a San Francisco sperm bank passed on a potentially deadly genetic heart condition to nine of his 24 offspring, including one who died of heart failure at the age of 2. The sperm bank now gives electrocardiograms to screen for genetic heart diseases among potential donors.

Dr. Cappy Rothman, the medical director of the California Cryobank, says that his bank does extensive genetic screening. "We have a medical advisory board that constantly reviews our testing and adds any additional tests we feel will help protect our clients and their future children," he says.

Like most banks, however, it does not have a strict limit on the number of families per donor, though it says it tries to limit it to between 15 and 25. "Each sperm bank determines its own limits," Rothman says. "CCB controls this number by limiting the number of vials we collect on each donor and actively soliciting clients for pregnancy reports." The bank also does not offer psychological counseling to its donors, but he says it tells every donor that it's important that they understand what they are doing—and the potential that they will be contacted by their offspring in the future.

Last year Maxey read an article about Harvard's Personal Genome Project, lead by George Church. Church began the project with the goal of building a public database of 100,000 people's genomes in order to create a kind of Wikipedia of physical, behavioral, and medical genetic traits. The idea is that one day, if genome mapping becomes a standard practice, people will have access to better information about the relationship between genes and traits or genetic mutations and disease, and doctors may even be able to use the information to practice more accurate personalized medicine. Maxey contacted Church, relaying his concerns about the health of his potential offspring. As a result, Church chose Maxey as one of the first 10 volunteers to have his genome mapped and the results placed on the Internet.

"Due to fertility-clinic policies, many donor offspring don't have complete access to medical history, and having their genome sequence might catch some predictable and actionable gene," says Church. "Making Maxey's genome available could help people who actually want to find their father, or mothers who feel the current regulation of sperm banks is inadequate. Rather than merely beguiling with descriptions of tall, blue-eyed professionals as sperm donors, the clinics should also be checking for potential genetic tragedies."

With just a blood and skin sample, scientists at the PGP project were able to isolate strands of Maxey's DNA. These strands of DNA make proteins that drive the chemical reactions that make our bodies and brains run, and regulate the expression of our genes. Within these strands, there are unique sequences of A, C, T, and G molecules—the language of DNA—called nucleotides. Variations in these sequences called single nucleotide polymorphisms, or SNPs (pronounced "snips"), make individuals differ, and they serve as signposts for variants of a nearby gene on the DNA highway. Maxey worried that one of his SNPs would turn out to be a recessive mutation expressed as a disease such as Tay-Sachs or cystic fibrosis that would be passed along to his children.

Fortunately, Maxey's genome has turned up nothing shocking so far: he has a 1.9 percent increased risk for coronary heart disease compared with the general population. He has a reduced risk for Alzheimer's and a reduced risk of baldness, which surprised him considering he has lost most of his hair. "The question is not whether everything is predictable from genes alone—or even genes plus environment, but whether we can improve quality of life with deeper knowledge of genes and environment," says Church. "The PGP hopefully will turn up lots of examples of people sharing [DNA sequences] but having divergent medical outcomes because of differing lifestyles, medications, and diets."

But where Maxey's public genome can get really interesting is the way that his children may be able to figure out if indeed he is their biological father without ever seeing him face to face. This is possible through something in the genetic code called short tandem repeats. These are sequences of A, C, T, and G molecules that repeat themselves over and over along an individual strand of DNA and are specific to that individual's DNA.

Potential offspring could have some of their genetic markers run for a couple of hundred dollars by a company such as Family Tree DNA or Ancestry.com, and then take those markers and look at Maxey's genome markers, which are now not only posted on the Personal Genome Project, but also on the Donor Sibling Registry. "If they see the same short tandem repeat number, then it's very probable that I'm their dad because they would inherit the same pattern from me," Maxey explains.

The possibilities for genetic recognition have also pushed Maxey to start working with the Donor Sibling Registry to create a nonprofit database called the Cayman Biomedical Research Institute, in which he is collecting genetic information from donors and offspring who are interested in finding one another. This database goes beyond the work of the Donor Sibling Registry, through which donors and offspring are mostly matched through donor numbers and often poorly organized or incorrect medical profiles. People who pay $80 and send in saliva samples to CABRI can have certain genetic markers run in order that their short tandem repeats are matched, which will be the most accurate information about a biological connection. Since he began the project, Maxey has made hundreds of sibling matches and a half dozen parent-and-offspring matches. The nonprofit also advocates for more government regulation of sperm banks in terms of the kind of information that donors and families receive about births, background checks, and the degree of genetic testing.

In the future, Maxey believes that every sperm donor and donor recipient should be genetically tested for the potential risk of the top 100 recessive genetic conditions in order to prevent them. "Statutory rules for genetics tests on donors should be part of FDA guidelines, which should also require that sperm banks follow up on the children to make sure they are healthy," he says. "All I'm really advocating for is the absolute informed consent for the mothers."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/227104/page/1

Ward
Friday, December 18th, 2009, 07:17 AM
Maxey, 51, happens to be one of the most prolific sperm donors in the country. Between 1980 and 1994, he donated at a Michigan clinic twice a week.

This actually disgusts me.

How could this guy not feel like a cheap whore, just giving away his seed to anyone? How could he not be constantly wondering how his children--his own flesh and blood--are doing? For all he knows their mothers could be abusive sociopaths. Those clinics will inseminate any woman as long as she has the money, like that sick and repulsive "Octomom."



"I had this 'Oh my God' moment, thinking, how many kids have been produced?" he says. "I thought the doctors were keeping track of each birth, but when I realized they weren't, I began to worry. What if they start dating one another?" He also began to worry about their genetic health. "I wanted to know if I have anything totally lethal or deranged or recessive in my genes that I may have passed along."


He has an "Oh my God" moment? What the hell did this guy think he was doing over those 14 years when he drove down to the clinic twice a week to masturbate in a cup?

Quite frankly, this kind of behavior doesn't speak well for his psychological profile. There's something deviant about it.

I fully support Nordic preservation, but not like this. For God's sake, not like this.

rainman
Friday, December 18th, 2009, 07:49 PM
I wonder though if you had Nordic racialist couples who had several kids like four or five maybe if they had a perfect male who would donate for one of the children to imrprove the bloodline. If the majority of families would do this and allow certain perfect individuals to maybe father like 40 kids or something. It could lift up the folksblood, but I doubt this guy is ideal. I would mean somebody physically ideal, high I.Q., acomplished in life etc.

It would especially be useful towards couples who can't produce children on their own as well.

Æmeric
Friday, December 18th, 2009, 09:02 PM
How many of those children are in the Ann Arbor area? What are the odds one of his biological sons & biological daughters hook up?:-O

Agrippa
Friday, December 18th, 2009, 09:09 PM
If a good individual has as more children than the average, thats a good thing, simple as that.

As he himself pointed out, the biggest concerns are recessive defects and possible incestual relationships, though even those wouldnt be as dramatic, considering that they are just half-siblings, its something which should be under control

But again, he did a perfect job and thats how it should to be, he seems to have very good traits, not just because he's a Nordid racial type, but also by his health status, intellectually and from a psychological point of view.

Very rational, even Eugenic concerns seem to have bothered him, after all a physician and good father for his "primary and own" children.

It sounds somewhat strange that he went at certain times 2 times a week to the sperm bank, yet he just spread his genes - and since its about a good quality, no reason to criticise him for that.

Much better than a low level individual producing his children in "the traditional way" or even worse any low level individual donating his sperm for such cases.

His attitude seems to be exemplary, having role model status, since he even cared for what happened, more than many "traditional fathers" actually and tried to give his potential offspring all informations they need - just in case.

He seems to be just a little bit naive, about the possible abuse of his sperm donor job, the lax controls, the business overall and finally the great corporations and state, if considering what they all might do to such a kindhearted and open minded person and its "products".

But such a somewhat naive and credulous attitude is again something one might see in Nordid individuals even more than once, probably its relatively high frequency is part of the Nordid weaknesses.

P.S.: From how I read the article, his 400 children are in no way proven, thats just his estimation...

Huginn ok Muninn
Friday, December 18th, 2009, 09:10 PM
That girl on the left doesn't look anything like him. Not to be cruel, but she looks kinda like a pinhead.

http://www.clusterflock.org/Schlize_circa_Boston_Blackie.jpg

Agrippa
Friday, December 18th, 2009, 09:16 PM
That girl on the left doesn't look anything like him. Not to be cruel, but she looks kinda like a pinhead.

http://www.clusterflock.org/Schlize_circa_Boston_Blackie.jpg

Rather not. The mother might have been Eastbaltid or Mongoloid influenced in my opinion, which explains the head shape and facial breadth - they are more common among Indianids and Tungo-Sibirids by the way:
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/gl-tungid.jpg

In Europe its most common among rather protomorphic Cromagnids and Eastbaltids, or Mongoloid influenced people, as mentioned.

Her facial features however are basically Nordoid otherwise, its the facial frame, cheekbones-jaws and cranium which deviates.

Would be interesting to see her mother, probably a "Roseanne" like type...

http://www.stltoday.com/blogzone/ecospeak/files/2009/08/roseanne.jpg

With this racial-type influence ignored, she looks fully normal and even rather higher social type-like.


I wonder though if you had Nordic racialist couples who had several kids like four or five maybe if they had a perfect male who would donate for one of the children to imrprove the bloodline. If the majority of families would do this and allow certain perfect individuals to maybe father like 40 kids or something. It could lift up the folksblood, but I doubt this guy is ideal. I would mean somebody physically ideal, high I.Q., acomplished in life etc.

It would especially be useful towards couples who can't produce children on their own as well.

Actually its all about interests and how can someone ignore his own interests by letting his own bloodline die off? No matter how much Idealism and group orientation you have, there must be a damned good reason for such a decision.

So for most couples the best solution will be to use modern praenatal diagnostics and selection, to get out the best out of their genome. Because like this sperm donor said, recessive defects can always present, no matter how perfect someone might look and even if his genome is perfect, the defects can come up during the fertilisation process or in the first developmental state. The best control and result has to come from genetic screening in any case, because this way the minimal-invasive approach is present, the method very effective and the positive or neutral variation in the genpool stays untouched.


It could lift up the folksblood, but I doubt this guy is ideal.

Tall, leptomorphic Nordoid, highly progressive and harmonious traits, not too light skinned (able to tan), but fair. He seems to be intelligent, idealistic, responsible and group oriented. He might not be "perfect" in the sense of there are no better males around, but taking him as an example vs. the average, especially of todays American or Europeans populations, damned he is a very good choice it seems...
Actually I consider him 1st class because of the traits mentioned, not just because he is pred. Nordid, thats just nice but not decisive in my book.

Ward
Saturday, December 19th, 2009, 02:01 AM
If a good individual has as more children than the average, thats a good thing, simple as that.

Definitely... but it should be done within the framework of a traditional family.


As he himself pointed out, the biggest concerns are recessive defects and possible incestual relationships, though even those wouldnt be as dramatic, considering that they are just half-siblings, its something which should be under control

But these potential consequences only dawned on him rather late in the game. Even back in the 1980s most people had some understanding of recessive genes and hereditary diseases. And given all his donations to the same clinic, I don't see how the potential for incest wouldn't have crossed his mind.


But again, he did a perfect job and thats how it should to be, he seems to have very good traits, not just because he's a Nordid racial type, but also by his health status, intellectually and from a psychological point of view.

Very rational, even Eugenic concerns seem to have bothered him, after all a physician and good father for his "primary and own" children.


Not really.

As I said before, he obviously had no concern over the psychological and physical qualities of the women his sperm was inseminating. Not all genetic defects are recessive, and many women are simply not fit to raise children. I also wouldn't be surprised if he contributed to the creation of a slew of half-breeds.


It sounds somewhat strange that he went at certain times 2 times a week to the sperm bank, yet he just spread his genes - and since its about a good quality, no reason to criticise him for that.

When I was younger and money was tight, my friends and I used to joke about going down to the sperm bank to make a few bucks. It never went past the joking stage of course, because even then, despite our emotional immaturity, we realized there was something very weird and unnatural about doing something like that.

But to regularly donate sperm as long and as often as he did, I'd wager to say the guy had some kind of strange fetish for it.


Much better than a low level individual producing his children in "the traditional way" or even worse any low level individual donating his sperm for such cases.

Even if he is "high level," there's a good chance the mother would be "low level."

It has been established that there is a link between physical attractiveness and health, both of which naturally tie into reproductive capacities. It has also been observed that in most couples the man and woman are of roughly equal attractiveness. Such pairing isn't always the case, but it is more often than not.

Hence, a lowlife pig like Roseanne is probably a good example of the average married woman who has to resort to a sperm bank because her husband is sterile. Those are certainly the type of couples I have seen on TV programs dealing with sperm banks. In other cases the women are either lesbians or unable to even get a man. Needless to say, these circumstances are generally less than ideal for bringing children into the world.

Ulfvaldr
Saturday, December 19th, 2009, 10:18 AM
It seems like a double edged sword, On the one hand, the white race is dieing out, and on the other this man is being called a "Whore", for helping preserve it. I do believe family should always come first, but what would you do to preserve our race?

Agrippa
Saturday, December 19th, 2009, 10:35 AM
Definitely... but it should be done within the framework of a traditional family.

If every spread of positive genes would have had the tempo of a "traditional family" we see today, we would still be on the Homo erectus level, but ok, I agree insofar as its better to have a father, mother, stable environment and biological parents being also your social ones you live with.

But what does this mean for such cases? Nothing, because obviously these women had no fertile man or no man at all. Yet they were themselves fertile and before getting pregnant by the next drunken idiot who has sex with them or a homosexuel giving his sperm, its in any case better people like him donating his valuable genes and thats great.


But these potential consequences only dawned on him rather late in the game. Even back in the 1980s most people had some understanding of recessive genes and hereditary diseases. And given all his donations to the same clinic, I don't see how the potential for incest wouldn't have crossed his mind.

Still what he has done was in his biological interest as in those of the whole community, since the negative outcome had a much lower propabability and incidence than the positive one, even considering that his donations came to life mostly in a specific region.


As I said before, he obviously had no concern over the psychological and physical qualities of the women his sperm was inseminating. Not all genetic defects are recessive, and many women are simply not fit to raise children. I also wouldn't be surprised if he contributed to the creation of a slew of half-breeds.

He spread his positive genes, thats just the male strategy and its good that way. No matter what happened, his contribution was good, since the alternatives would have been, in all likelihood, being worse.

Even if he produced half-breeds, its about his genes, its about half-breeds with a minimum niveau etc., so from the evolutionary perspective, he still did right and considering how many fully white/Europid children he produced, he did his job, a very good one.

Dont forget: Europids dont die out primarily because there are some half-breeds, but because they have as a whole not enough children. There were groups which expanded primarily due to male offspring, expecially at warlike and colonist times. Most of the time it worked pretty good, its just about mass and selection.

But that goes away from the original debate, his contribution to the survival of the great Nordoid people and Euro-Americans surely was greater than that of most if not all individuals on this forum and thats a fact.


When I was younger and money was tight, my friends and I used to joke about going down to the sperm bank to make a few bucks. It never went past the joking stage of course, because even then, despite our emotional immaturity, we realized there was something very weird and unnatural about doing something like that.

But to regularly donate sperm as long and as often as he did, I'd wager to say the guy had some kind of strange fetish for it.

As I said, he is just an intelligent and rational guy, relatively free from superstitious concerns and had group oriented, Eugenic concerns.

I would just wish other people of his kind would think the same way, we wouldnt have the problems then. As I said, the only think you can blame him for is his naive approach if its about the company and its methods.

He spread his genes in a cheap way, that many Western people dont see that as a win situation, and win-win situation if the genes of his donations are good, is just part of the Western disease.


Even if he is "high level," there's a good chance the mother would be "low level."

His investment was so low, who cares?

Chances are good they are at least medium level, some even higher level, because even a lower level mother might have positive recessive genes and after all there is his excellent contribution!

Now think these low level mothers would have produced worthless offspring with defected morons - so they got upgraded and at least the next generations have a fair chance of his valuable genes showing up and being recombined...


It has been established that there is a link between physical attractiveness and health, both of which naturally tie into reproductive capacities. It has also been observed that in most couples the man and woman are of roughly equal attractiveness. Such pairing isn't always the case, but it is more often than not.

Yes, the problem is just that most high level couples have no or too few children and the low level ones producing just - well, more often low level children too. If those get a good sperm donation, it increases their chance to give birth to a valuable offspring dramatically and obviously such women you have in mind wouldnt have get such good material on "the free sex market" as easily otherwise.

But again, dont forget many of them might have been fertile women with the male partner just being unlucky and infertile. So we can't expect women using such sperm donations being low level in general, even on the contrary.

And at least, they might be more rational and bloodline oriented than the average, since they see the value of the offspring and try to get good genetic material for it, thats perfectly ok even if they are not themselves perfect.

I see nothing better in the reproduction of a "traditional couple" of two morons with a disgusting physique, with its much lower chances for a better recombination showing up in this or the next generations.


Hence, a lowlife pig like Roseanne is probably a good example of the average married woman who has to resort to a sperm bank because her husband is sterile. Those are certainly the type of couples I have seen on TV programs dealing with sperm banks. In other cases the women are either lesbians or unable to even get a man. Needless to say, these circumstances are generally less than ideal for bringing children into the world.

Thats a Western disease too. Its better to try it in suboptimal conditions than to wait for ideal conditions which never come into existence!

Chances are high enough for good results, at least of a certain proportion and thats enough for trying it. Other concerns and problems can be sorted out later, when we have the Eugenic and Euphenic programs we need anyway.

And you can't say that every woman with an infertile man is low level, no you can't. Actually many lowest level males are very fertile and the fertility of a male might be influenced by so many factors, that you can't say its always visible or related to other negative aspects, really not.

If looking at the facts and many "very fertile couples", a lot of them look a way you might think "those things have sex at all?"

Yet thats their problem, but again, the results of this guys efforts seem to be much more valuable than that of a lot of "normal families" from the biological point of view.

Looking at the two daughters, if its about them alone, he did a pretty a good job and its was worth the efforts! Just think they wouldnt exist otherwise and carry on his genes (personal interests) of genetic value (group and mother's interest). So everything is fine.

rainman
Saturday, December 19th, 2009, 07:34 PM
I don't know- if this was within a racial nation and culture maybe. But this guy probably isn't a racialist, nor will his daughters be raised that way. With no connection to their heritage or loyalty to their folk they aren't really Germanic. Half of them will probably have great grandchildren that are mixed race. Raising a child and the culture that child is given counts for a lot. While I do agree most of these people may have been impregnated by lesser men otherwise. It seems like a win-lose scenario.

I don't think we can breed our way out of our social problems anyway. Not when hardworking, intelligent people are taxed to subsidize the children of lazy criminals and mental retards. I don't think you can seperate our ideas and culture from our genetics. The three aspects of race: community, blood, and culture. These children lack community and culture from their father. How useful are they to their race? It's all left to chance.

Ward
Saturday, December 19th, 2009, 08:46 PM
It seems like a double edged sword, On the one hand, the white race is dieing out, and on the other this man is being called a "Whore", for helping preserve it. I do believe family should always come first, but what would you do to preserve our race?

He wasn't a eugenicist and wasn't trying to preserve the white race; if he was, he would have set certain health and racial standards that women would need to meet in order to receive his seed.

He'd have done better if he just had 10 kids with a high-quality wife and helped raise them to be the best they could be. I'd prefer 10 well-bred children to a mixed-bag of 400 test-tube babies.

Hell, he could have helped spawn the next Barack Obama for all we know.


But what does this mean for such cases? Nothing, because obviously these women had no fertile man or no man at all. Yet they were themselves fertile and before getting pregnant by the next drunken idiot who has sex with them or a homosexuel giving his sperm, its in any case better people like him donating his valuable genes and thats great.

"High value" women don't go to sperm banks. Unfortunately, they don't breed much at all anymore, which is what we really need to focus on changing.

I don't have much faith in our survival if we are reduced to having to keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best in Roseanne/Dolph Lundgren test-tube offspring.


Still what he has done was in his biological interest as in those of the whole community, since the negative outcome had a much lower propabability and incidence than the positive one, even considering that his donations came to life mostly in a specific region.

Well, negroes tend to follow this same kind of breeding strategy.

I couldn't imagine having children and not being a part of their lives. I want to be there to nurture and guide them in the right direction. I'd rather father 5 quality kids than 400 bastards.

Another thing that strikes me as odd is that his wife actually encouraged him to do it. I notice the article did mention it was his "first wife," however. ;) I just don't understand how a normal woman would allow her man to father children outside of their marriage. This kind of cavalier attitude cheapens what should be a sacred bond between man and wife.

But I guess I'm just an old-fashioned romantic in that way. :shrug

Ulfvaldr
Sunday, December 20th, 2009, 10:27 AM
I know he was not trying to preserve the race, never the less he was.