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Nachtengel
Saturday, September 12th, 2009, 01:05 AM
The Tory leader will today endorse a plan to give England greater representation in the House of Commons.

The plan has been drawn up led by Ken Clarke, the former Chancellor in response to demands to rebalance the British constitution in the wake of devolution to Scotland and Wales.

Mr Clarke will today recommend that legislation that would apply only to England should be voted on only by MPs with English seats.

The plan is intended to answer the so-called West Lothian and address the current situation where Scottish MPs can vote on England's laws but English members do not have similar say over Scottish matters.

Senior Conservatives also hope the report's publication will refocus attention on Mr Brown's role as a Scottish MP at a time when Labour is facing severe challenges north of the Border.

Labour will next month try to defend the Glasgow East constituency from the Scottish National Party in a by-election caused by the resignation of David Marshall, the sitting MP.

Under Mr Clarke's plans, all MPs would be allowed to vote on English legislation at the initial second reading stage of parliamentary scrutiny.

But only English MPs would get to vote during the detailed committee stage of the legislative process, when substantive changes can be made.

At the third and final reading, all MPs could once again vote, but a new parliamentary convention would prevent any party using Scottish votes to block amendments made by English MPs.

The Tory plan will draw Labour claims that a Conservative government would create a two-tier parliament, with Scottish MPs turned into second-class members of the Commons.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/2223956/David-Cameron-to-ban-Scottish-MPs-from-voting-on-English-laws.html

Kogen
Saturday, September 12th, 2009, 04:54 AM
Good.

Maybe Scots will realise they do not belong in a union with England any longer.

InvaderNat
Saturday, September 12th, 2009, 06:59 AM
Good.

Maybe Scots will realise they do not belong in a union with England any longer.

I hope you aren't suggesting that the UK break up, because under the UK the English, Walsh, Scots and Irish achieve far more than they could on there own.

But yeah it is pretty stupid to have Scots voting on local English issues, especially whilst the English can't do the same to them.

Kogen
Saturday, September 12th, 2009, 08:45 AM
I hope you aren't suggesting that the UK break up, because under the UK the English, Walsh, Scots and Irish achieve far more than they could on there own.

But yeah it is pretty stupid to have Scots voting on local English issues, especially whilst the English can't do the same to them.

England is suicidal. Scotland is better off alone.

Maybe a new union with Ireland?

Sigurd
Saturday, September 12th, 2009, 10:00 AM
In the face of devolution, English MPs lack the ability to vote on Scottish issues? I'm sorry, Mr. Cameron, but that is a heap of bollocks.

The Scottish Parliament and the Welsh assembly have limited powers, there are a number of matters restricted to Westminster legislation, and in these cases English MPs may very well vote on Scottish issues, and in any case these are sub-ordinate sources of law when compared with Acts of the UK Parliament.

That it is unfair that on non-restricted matters Scots and Welsh get their own say to some extent, whilst England has no regional representation, is clear - but what would stop them from creating a local parliament for England to legislate on the same matters that the SP and the WA can legislate on, whilst all three are still sub-ordinate to Westminster? ;)

RoyBatty
Saturday, September 12th, 2009, 03:10 PM
England is suicidal. Scotland is better off alone.

Maybe a new union with Ireland?

"England" is suicidal? Who do you think is running the UK? The "English"??? :oanieyes

However, by all means, Scotland should please choose their independence and leave ASAP. They will not be missed by anybody I know of.


A few Scottish names from the UK's mafiatocracy.


Gordon Brown - Scot

Alistair Darling - Born in London but Labour MP for Edinburgh SW

Tony Bliar - Born in Edinburgh (that's in Scotland)

Fred "The Shred" Goodwin from RBS fame which brought the UK Banking system to its knees - Scot

Des Brown, recently replaced Defense Secretary - Scot

Lord Falconer, Lord Chancellor and First Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs - Scot

Adam Crozier, the destroyer of Royal Mail - Scot

John Reid, Former Home Secretary - Scot