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Nachtengel
Saturday, August 1st, 2009, 07:54 PM
SIXTEEN and 17-year-olds could be given a voluntary right to vote, under changes to be canvassed by the Federal Government later this year.
While the Liberal Party's newest recruit, Francesca Perrottet, 16, said the shift could inspire young people to get involved in politics and widen the pool of leadership talent, senior Liberals shunned the idea.

Special Minister of State Joe Ludwig said the government would raise the issue in its second electoral green paper later this year.

The move, which comes more than 35 years after the voting age was lowered from 21 to 18, will spark strong views from all sides of politics.

It follows fierce and ongoing debate over reforms to political donations and funding, which is part of the first stage of the government's electoral reform agenda.

"The Rudd government is committed to reforming and modernising Australia's electoral system," Senator Ludwig said.

"While noting there are alternative mechanisms that enable young Australians to have a voice, this issue will be addressed in the second green paper."

Australian National University adjunct professor of political science John Warhurst said the idea was not ridiculous.

"I don't have a firm opinion one way or the other. But the way society is moving ... I think it's time to look again at the age when people can start voting. It may be that a voluntary vote is the way to go."

Professor Warhurst said there was a case for letting young people vote at a time when they were studying civics education.

However, he was inclined to support lowering the age to 17 rather than 16.

Senator Ludwig will this week use Enrol to Vote Week to tackle the fact that 1.2 million people are missing from the electoral roll.

He said young people were the most under-represented, with one in five 18- to 24-year-olds not enrolled to vote.

Youth Action and Policy Association executive officer Reynato Reodica said it was fantastic the government had raised the issue.

"This is something that for a long time young people have been asking for," he said.

"Young people contribute to our society, they are part of the working population and they have something to add to the public debate around issues that affect their lives."

However, Liberal frontbencher Nick Minchin, who has strongly supported voluntary voting, said it would be a mistake to lower the voting age to 16 or 17.

"It's a privilege in a democracy to vote, and should come with adulthood," he said.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25840324-948,00.html

Alizon Device
Sunday, August 2nd, 2009, 09:22 PM
However, Liberal frontbencher Nick Minchin, who has strongly supported voluntary voting, said it would be a mistake to lower the voting age to 16 or 17.

"It's a privilege in a democracy to vote, and should come with adulthood," he said.
This is one of the fundamental problems with this system of things, which pompously declares itself as 'Democracy'.

The criteria for who has the right to vote is all wrong!
Age has nothing to do with intelligence and common sense.

Most members on this forum will have formed superior political views and Weltanschauungen by the time they were 15 years old, to those held by a large proportion of 40 and 50 year old sheeple of that same time period.

Let's cut the crap about the age to vote. Abolish an age limit.
Introduce an IQ test, to be taken before anyone can vote to decide who runs the countries of the West.
Also, introduce a socio-political general knowledge exam, so only the people with the valid, relevant knowledge are given the 'honour' of voting.

Sigurd
Sunday, August 2nd, 2009, 09:26 PM
Introduce an IQ test, to be taken before anyone can vote to decide who runs the countries of the West.

Are you mad? That would give our ideological enemies the edge, look at all the pseudo-intellectual think-tanks which take their ideological footing directly from the ideas of the 1968 student revolutions, and by living in their ivory towers won't ever realise how impossible to practice their twisted worldview is. :-O

Huginn ok Muninn
Sunday, August 2nd, 2009, 10:33 PM
They only want more younger people voting because it means more a more leftist electorate. Even intelligent people form their world view based upon what is taught them, and our schools in the West are corrupt centers of cultural marxist indoctrination. They are less and less concerned with academic learning and more and more concerned with forcing people to comply with the diktats of the multicult religion. The less time people have to come to their senses, the better, in the minds of the inquisitors who rely upon election to further their tyranny.

Kogen
Sunday, August 2nd, 2009, 10:52 PM
Choosing who can vote in a democracy... entirely against the purpose.

All it does it prove how a democracy is a false means for a political elite to control masses.

Alizon Device
Sunday, August 2nd, 2009, 11:19 PM
Are you mad?
Well, we've corresponded with each other for 4 years, so you tell me.
Personally, I believe that, no, I'm not mad.


That would give our ideological enemies the edge, look at all the pseudo-intellectual think-tanks which take their ideological footing directly from the ideas of the 1968 student revolutions,
LOL!
Like, we have the 'Edge' right now?
God, Aberdeen must be an oasis of monocultural Shangri-la!

I only commented on this little aside-Thread about 'democracy' out of a possible academic debate about the concept, and, credit to you Siggy, you have countered. ;)

As a revolutionary Nationalsocialist, I couldn't care less how that stinking system of things polices itself and rules its construct.

Sigurd
Sunday, August 2nd, 2009, 11:30 PM
LOL!
Like, we have the 'Edge' right now?
God, Aberdeen must be an oasis of monocultural Shangri-la!

LOL, no - that's not what I meant. We don't have the edge now. But if we make voting dependant on IQ, then we're going to found ourselves in hardly a better situation at present.

The reason being - it doesn't matter whether the stupid or the clever 51% vote for you to give you an absolute majority. 51% is 51% - as long as you have enough intellectuals to lead the mob.

On the other hand, if you give the vote only to intellectuals and academics, then we would be facing even more of an uphill battle --- the masses are easily convinced, once a certain amount of people are fuelled with a certain idea it is essentially a self-runner.

However, the academics would dig out many, many more counter-arguments based on their perverse beliefs. You know what I mean anyway, right? We can just as well use current "democracy" towards our ends at this stage --- if we find it corrupt and un-natural at a later stage, we can still do away with it once in power. ;)

But it's a matter of getting into power first. Up till that point all the fancy ideas we have to improve the country will only be useful on paper, but won't take root in actual national policy. :shrug

Ingvaeonic
Tuesday, February 8th, 2011, 04:25 PM
Lower the voting age to 16! They had better not. 18-year-old Australians are too stupid to vote as it is; that's why mismanagers and incompetents get voted into government; and political correctness and multiculturalism have become recurring themes in Australia because of 18-y-o suffrage: the young vote for it and favour it. Lower the voting age? Not on your nelly. Indeed, I'm of the opposite view: I'd be in favour of raising the voting age to 24 or 25. In fact, I'd go back to the old days of property suffrage when you had to own property of a certain value and/or have a certain income to be enfranchised; those on social welfare, the criminally convicted, and paupers were all denied the vote. That's the way it should be.:thumbup

Northern Paladin
Tuesday, February 8th, 2011, 05:11 PM
This is a disaster!!! 16 year old kids are extremely stupid and even more liberal. If this pans out, the demise of the West will be even more imminent.

Seleferth
Tuesday, February 8th, 2011, 05:38 PM
My stepson is 16 next week, god help us if he was allowed to vote :-O
Although very bright he has no COMMON SENSE the thought of him voting beggers belief. So the thought of thick chavs voting :thumbdown

Heinrich Harrer
Tuesday, February 8th, 2011, 05:49 PM
This is a disaster!!! 16 year old kids are extremely stupid and even more liberal. If this pans out, the demise of the West will be even more imminent.

I also think that it's a bad idea, and that this is probably the reason why leftists want to lower the age limit. But I remember that in Austria in some of the last elections the far-right party got statistically more votes from young people. Perhaps pupils, who can't evade multiculturalism and have to face it on a daily basis in schools, are more aware of the problems than some old leftists living in a nice, silent suburb conveniently ignoring all the problems mass immigration causes. The liberal baby boomers won't change their political views anymore, and unfortunately they have a tight grip on elections - the older, more conservative generations are dieing off, and the younger generations following them are smaller, as the birth rate dropped in the late 60s/early 70s.

Huginn ok Muninn
Tuesday, February 8th, 2011, 08:29 PM
I think the voting age should be raised to 25, actually. It would give people time to wise up and throw off the brainwashing they got in school. But then, having a more malleable and controlled voting public is the real reason why the enemy wants to make voting age as low as possible, isn't it?


Bernays' public relations efforts helped to popularize Freud's theories in the United States. Bernays also pioneered the PR industry's use of psychology and other social sciences to design its public persuasion campaigns:

"If we understand the mechanism and motives of the group mind, is it not possible to control and regiment the masses according to our will without their knowing about it? The recent practice of propaganda has proved that it is possible, at least up to a certain point and within certain limits."

He called this scientific technique of opinion-molding the 'engineering of consent'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays

wivienne
Tuesday, February 8th, 2011, 09:34 PM
I also dont think it is a good idea . The modern generation is quite irresponsible and dont want to know more then they knows from schools and from TV mostly. So their political position is thoughtless and in this age it could be just like an entertainment for many of them.