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Awar
Monday, May 31st, 2004, 03:10 AM
The House of Wessex

Monarch Born Acceded Died

Egbert 802 839
Æthelwulf 839 855
Æthelbald 855 860
Æthelbert 860 866
Æthelred 866 871
Alfred the Great 849 April 871 26 Oct 899
Edward the Elder 870 Oct. 899 17 July 924
Athelstan 895 Summer 924 27 Oct. 939
Edmund I the Magnificent 921 Oct. 939 26 May 946
Eadred May 946 23 Nov. 955
Eadwig the All-Fair 943?? Nov. 955 1 Oct. 959
Edgar the Peaceable 943 Oct. 959 8 July 975
Edward the Martyr c.962 July 975 18 Mar. 978
Æthelred II the Unready c.968-69 Mar. 978 23 Apr. 1016
Edmund II the Ironside 993?? Apr. 1016 30 Nov. 1016

Danish Line
Svein the Forkbeard ?? ?? ??
Canute the Great c.995 30 Nov 1016 12 Nov. 1035
Harald the Harefoot c.1016-17 c.1035-36 17 Mar. 1040
Hardicanute c.1018 June 1040 8 June 1042
The House of Wessex, Restored
Edward the Confessor c.1002-05 June 1042 5 Jan. 1066
Harold II Godwinson c.1020 6 Jan. 1066 14 Oct. 1066

Norman Monarchs of England
Norman Line
William I the Conqueror c.1027-28 25 Dec. 1066 9 Sept. 1087
William II the Rufus c.1056-60 26 Sept. 1087 2 Aug. 1100
Henry I the Beauclerc c.1068 5 Aug. 1100 1 Dec. 1135
Stephen c.1100 22 Dec. 1135 25 Oct. 1154

Plantagenet, the Angevin Line
Henry II the Curtmantle 5 Mar. 1133 19 Dec. 1154 6 July 1189
Richard I the Lionhearted 8 Sept. 1157 3 Sept. 1189 6 Apr. 1199
John the Lackland 24 Dec. 1167 27 May 1199 18 Oct. 1216
Henry III 1 Oct. 1207 28 Oct. 1216 16 Nov. 1272
Edward I the Longshanks 17 June 1239 20 Nov. 1272 7 July 1307
Edward II 25 Apr. 1284 8 July 1307 Deposed: 20 Jan. 1327
Died: 21 Sept. 1327
Edward III 13 Nov. 1312 25 Jan. 1327 21 June 1377
Richard II 6 Jan. 1367 22 June 1377 Deposed: 29 Sept. 1399
Died: 14 Feb. 1400

Plantagenet, the Lancastrian Line
Henry IV the Bolingbroke c.Apr 1366 30 Sept. 1399 20 Mar. 1413
Henry V c.16 Sept. 1387 21 Mar. 1413 31 Aug. 1422
Henry VI 6 Dec. 1421 1 Sept. 1422
Restored: 3 Oct. 1470 Deposed: Mar. 1461
Deposed: 11 Apr. 1471
Died: 21 May 1471

Plantagenet, the Yorkist Line
Edward IV 28 Apr. 1442 4 Mar. 1461
Restored: 11 Apr. 1471 Deposed: 3 Oct. 1470
Died: 9 Apr. 1483
Edward V 2 Nov. 1470 9 Apr. 1483 Deposed: 25 June 1483
Died: Summer 1483
Richard III the Crookback 2 Oct. 1452 26 June 1483 22 Aug. 1485

House of Tudor
Henry VII 28 Jan. 1457 22 Aug. 1485 21 Apr. 1509
Henry VIII 28 June 1491 22 Apr. 1509 28 Jan. 1547
Edward VI 12 Oct. 1537 28 Jan. 1547 6 July 1553
Mary I 18 Feb. 1516 19 July 1553 17 Nov. 1558
Elizabeth I 7 Sept. 1533 17 Nov. 1558 24 Mar. 1603

House of Stuart/Stuart, Restored
James VI of Scotland (and I of England) 19 June 1566 24 Mar. 1603 27 Mar. 1625
Charles I 19 Nov. 1600 27 Mar. 1625 Beheaded: 30 Jan 1649
Charles II 29 May 1630 30 Jan 1649
Restored: 29 May 1660 6 Feb. 1685
James II 14 Oct. 1633 6 Feb. 1685 Abdicated: 11 Dec. 1688
Died: 6 Sept. 1701

Norman Monarchs of Great Britain
House of Orange and Stuart
Mary II >
> joint sovereigns
William III > 30 Apr 1662

4 Nov. 1650 13 Feb. 1689 28 Dec. 1694

8 Mar. 1702

House of Stuart
Anne 6 Feb. 1665 8 Mar. 1702 1 Aug. 1714

House of Brunswick, Hanover Line
George I 28 May 1660 1 Aug. 1714 11 June 1727
George II 30 Oct 1683 11 June 1727 25 Oct. 1760
George III 24 May 1738 25 Oct. 1760 29 Jan. 1820
George IV 12 Aug. 1762 Regent: 5 Feb. 1811
Acceded: 29 Jan. 1820 26 June 1830
William IV 21 Aug. 1765 26 June 1830 20 June 1837
Victoria 24 May 1819 20 June 1837 22 Jan. 1901

House of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha
Edward VII 9 Nov. 1841 22 Jan. 1901 6 May 1910

House of Windsor
George V 3 June 1865 6 May 1910 20 Jan. 1936
Edward VIII 23 June 1894 20 Jan. 1936 Abdicated: 11 Dec. 1936
Died: 28 May 1972
George VI 14 Dec. 1895 11 Dec. 1936 6 Feb. 1952
Elizabeth II 21 Apr. 1926 6 Feb. 1952

NormanBlood
Monday, May 31st, 2004, 10:13 PM
Hmm..very nice (though its not just the A-S Kings lol)..you forgot a King that deserves honourable mention though! Aelle of Sussex! 477..King of the Angels and first Bretwalda!

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Monday, May 31st, 2004, 10:20 PM
I've seen this before. There were other kings on other thrones in Britain at the time. My own relation to royalty is the Norwegian/Swedish Uppsala dynasty of Ynglings/Scylfings, then Ivar and Halfdan in York. After that, well, I dunno!

Northern Paladin
Tuesday, June 1st, 2004, 11:11 PM
Who would you Consider the Greatest among them?

In my humble opinion...William the Conquer...Canute the Great...and Edward Longshanks. Favorite being the Conquer.

NormanBlood
Wednesday, June 2nd, 2004, 12:57 AM
William the Conqueror (though I disagree with many things he did..he was brave), Henri I (because he was the only son who TRULY took after his father William in ruling) and..of course AElle first Bretwalda because he was the one who truly established the Anglo-Saxon in England ;)

Northern Paladin
Wednesday, June 2nd, 2004, 03:12 PM
William the Conqueror (though I disagree with many things he did..he was brave), Henri I (because he was the only son who TRULY took after his father William in ruling) and..of course AElle first Bretwalda because he was the one who truly established the Anglo-Saxon in England

Yep the Conqueror was Brave...but his Tatics for Conqueroring Unorthodox to say the least...He was Ruthless but the Times Demanded it.

Yes Henry I was something...I think his name Beauclerk(Fine Scholar) Said something about his character that his brothers didn't have. He had to beat both of them to get The Anglo-Norman Throne.

I have no idea who AElle first Bretwalda is...perhaps you can tell me. ;)

But Regarding Anglo Monarchs I think the Greatest was Alfred.

NormanBlood
Wednesday, June 2nd, 2004, 03:46 PM
Yep the Conqueror was Brave...but his Tatics for Conqueroring Unorthodox to say the least...He was Ruthless but the Times Demanded it.

They definetly did demand it. William had a VERY strange childhood, fleeing from one end of Normandy to another as a child..being wisked away with maternal relatives to fend off those who wanted the Duchy for themselves. He was definetly very untrusting..even of his sons! And concerning Robert and William Rufus..rightly so. Henri was definetly the best of the three.

Yes, Henri was quite the fighter. Its funny how he ended up winning it all in the end :D I was routing for him the whole time! :| ;) It is unfortunate much of the Anglo-Norman monarch line died out after the unfortunate incidents out at sea ;( ..his daughter stupidly marrying an Angevin :-O


I have no idea who AElle first Bretwalda is...perhaps you can tell me.

Well, I shall tell you :D "Ælle was king of the South Saxons from 477 to perhaps as late as 514, and was named Bretwalda by Bede, who adds that he was overlord of the Anglo-Saxons south of the Humber river." First..he was a the King of the Angles originally, then came to control the Saxons and Jutes too..hence the formation of the Anglo-Saxons! Small note, Bretwalda was the title the first landed Angles (AElle's Angles!) and Saxons chieftains strove for which meant to be "ruler of Britain (Bret)"

For more online info read here :http://www.fact-index.com/a/ae/aelle_of_sussex.html

I personally like reading about him, found a book on English history in the library that spoke of him, where I first learned of him as well..now only to remember the title :|

Northern Paladin
Wednesday, June 2nd, 2004, 07:35 PM
They definetly did demand it. William had a VERY strange childhood, fleeing from one end of Normandy to another as a child..being wisked away with maternal relatives to fend off those who wanted the Duchy for themselves. He was definetly very untrusting..even of his sons! And concerning Robert and William Rufus..rightly so. Henri was definetly the best of the three.

Yes. William had to overcome many odds stacked against him. He was a Bastard son and his father died when he was still a boy leaving him to stake his claim amongst ambitious Nobles who had their own plans.

Yes Henry's son died in the White ship incidient...but he had many "other' children... His daughter Matilda who succeeded him.


yes thanks for the Info. Anglo-Saxons are great Chroniclers and I love reading their history.


I personally like reading about him, found a book on English history in the library that spoke of him, where I first learned of him as well..now only to remember the title

Library is a great place...some of my best friends are books :D

One Question...you Live in America right? How could you be Pure Franco-Norman?

NormanBlood
Wednesday, June 2nd, 2004, 09:18 PM
Yes Henry's son died in the White ship incidient...but he had many "other' children... His daughter Matilda who succeeded him.

His "other" children had no right to the throne ;) Matilda, as far as I know was the only "legit" child alive..and again..marrying the Angevin..bad move as far as I'm concerned lol


Library is a great place...some of my best friends are books

*pets her precious book friends* yes..my BEST friends are definetly books! I would die without them! :D


One Question...you Live in America right? How could you be Pure Franco-Norman?

Nope, I live north 'o the border ;) Québécois by origin who are for the most part from Normandy and as far as I can trace my family(which hasn't EXEEDINGLY difficult due to the heavy presence of "blueblood") back thats what the geneology tells me as well as last name origins so..*shrug* thats what I know. As far as French Canadians are concerned we are for the most part quite homogenous especially in the rural areas. Family generally seems to fit the profile too so I figure its the best assumption I can make and its what family history says.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Wednesday, June 2nd, 2004, 10:24 PM
Eh! You are NorwifeBlood! ;P

Zuid-Vlaming
Wednesday, June 2nd, 2004, 10:39 PM
Yes, Henri was quite the fighter. Its funny how he ended up winning it all in the end :D I was routing for him the whole time! :| ;) It is unfortunate much of the Anglo-Norman monarch line died out after the unfortunate incidents out at sea ;( ..his daughter stupidly marrying an Angevin :-O
Huh, No ! That's Geoffroy V Count of Anjou that stupidly married the Mathilda !!! Infamy, I say ! Misgeneration of the french nobility !!!

And because of this, Henri II Plantagenet, their franco-english mestizo could claim more good, sacred, french lands in the name of the bloody Crown of machiavelical England !

Territorial claims that will be on long term, cause of the Hundred Years war ! Ah, perfid Albion ! Sainte Jeanne d'Arc, Saint Napoleon, Saint Asterix, where are you ?

:D :D :D

(just joking... I can't blame Henry II too much for he's one of my ancestors also, just like the Angevin... Complicated, these family problems :D )

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Wednesday, June 2nd, 2004, 11:00 PM
If you are from Artois, why call yourself Bourguignon??

NormanBlood
Thursday, June 3rd, 2004, 12:19 AM
That's Geoffroy V Count of Anjou that stupidly married the Mathilda !!! Infamy, I say ! Misgeneration of the french nobility !!!

Norman/Angevin..not English ;) The only "French" at that time would have been in Île-de-France ;) And either way it was the poisoning of Norman blood with Angevin blood! She could have married a Norman noble, properly restored her Norman blood and made her people proud but NOOOOO..she had to be...jfakljdkfjdkfjd :D Because of her "Vuillaume's" line died out.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Thursday, June 3rd, 2004, 01:34 AM
Erik Bloodaxe is cool, but he's not there, is he?

Zuid-Vlaming
Thursday, June 3rd, 2004, 10:39 AM
If you are from Artois, why call yourself Bourguignon??
I refer myself to the old Grand Bourguignon Empire. Look at this map depicting the situation in 1472.
This time was a rather good era for my region, that's why I like to remember it with a little of nostalgy.

Léon Degrelle himself referred to the Bourgogne. And his Walloons called themselves Bourguignons, their war shout was : "En avant Bourguignons!"




Norman/Angevin..not English ;) The only "French" at that time would have been in Île-de-France Of course, I knew it very well, don't worry ;) I just wanted to imitate a french chauvinist indignation, even when I don't share this perspective myself :D . I hope you didn't think I was serious with that Sainte Jeanne d'Arc stuff and all...

Northern Paladin
Thursday, June 3rd, 2004, 02:24 PM
Norman/Angevin..not English The only "French" at that time would have been in Île-de-France And either way it was the poisoning of Norman blood with Angevin blood! She could have married a Norman noble, properly restored her Norman blood and made her people proud but NOOOOO..she had to be...jfakljdkfjdkfjd Because of her "Vuillaume's" line died out.

Not to be rude but just out of Curosity what does this all mean? What advantadge would she have procurred by marrying a Norman Nobleman instead of this Angevin Fellow?

Odin Biggles
Thursday, June 3rd, 2004, 03:08 PM
After the battle of Hastings William had England for the most part under his control.

The exception to this were areas of Northern England who had a stab (literally) at the normans every time they could.

This resulted in William going on a bloody rampage killing many Saxons and destroying there work and homes.

He was certainly a good fighting leader but he was also another example of an "abuser of power".

NormanBlood
Thursday, June 3rd, 2004, 07:07 PM
Of course, I knew it very well, don't worry I just wanted to imitate a french chauvinist indignation, even when I don't share this perspective myself . I hope you didn't think I was serious with that Sainte Jeanne d'Arc stuff and all...

lol! ok well thats fine then :P You never know with soem people though ;)



Not to be rude but just out of Curosity what does this all mean? What advantadge would she have procurred by marrying a Norman Nobleman instead of this Angevin Fellow?

To keep the Norman blood on the English throne of course. Thats what I would have done in her position anyways. Plus..she basically just gave away William's entire legacy to the Plantagenet, when she could have at least done him justice by marrying another Norman Nobleman. Geoffroy didn't even have to fight to gain the throne nor did anyone in his line or in Anjou for that matter..he just..married into it and got it all. At least by marrying a Norman it would have done more honour to the Duchy.


This resulted in William going on a bloody rampage killing many Saxons and destroying there work and homes.

He was certainly a good fighting leader but he was also another example of an "abuser of power".

As mentioned, William really had quite the childhood, he didn't trust anyone and he had zero tolerance for any nonsense that was pulled, no matter who. Quite a few times during his and the reign of his sons, did the Northern Saxons raise a fyrd and attack him..as I said he had no tolerence for such things, so in his eyes it would be justified. The Saxons did similar things to get into Britain centuries earlier so there should be no complaint, logically speaking, on their part ;)

Northern Paladin
Thursday, June 3rd, 2004, 09:54 PM
After the battle of Hastings William had England for the most part under his control.

The exception to this were areas of Northern England who had a stab (literally) at the normans every time they could.

This resulted in William going on a bloody rampage killing many Saxons and destroying there work and homes.

He was certainly a good fighting leader but he was also another example of an "abuser of power".

Hastings was a major Victory but it took 10-15 years of hard Struggle for William to really "Rein in" the English and make them compliant to his Rule. Actually he Ordered a "Strip and Burn" Campaign. There were 64 villages at the time of the Rebellion...only 16 were left after his "Bloody Ramapage" which was in fact to scorch the land and Kill all people and livestock.

He also replaced all the English Nobles with his Norman Allies...after all how else who he communicate with them...William never learned English. The Result is he created a highly Stratified Society...The lines distinguishing Normans and Anglos didn't blur until hundred of years after the Conquerors death. The Conqueror's Wholesale replacement of Anglo Nobility with Normans and the Doomsday book in which he made all the Nobles Accountable to Him show you just how Great of a Ruler William was.

Despite all the "Abuses of Power"...the Anglo Chronicle gave William a Good Rating...saying to the effect he was Harsh but Capable Ruler.


[/QUOTE] To keep the Norman blood on the English throne of course. Thats what I would have done in her position anyways. Plus..she basically just gave away William's entire legacy to the Plantagenet, when she could have at least done him justice by marrying another Norman Nobleman. Geoffroy didn't even have to fight to gain the throne nor did anyone in his line or in Anjou for that matter..he just..married into it and got it all. At least by marrying a Norman it would have done more honour to the Duchy.
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Judging by the Plantagent she could have done Worse.
This was the line that produced Edward The Longshanks, The Black Prince, and Richard the Lionhearted.

Skando-naivian-Girl
Friday, June 4th, 2004, 04:59 AM
what about the great Queens of England??

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, June 4th, 2004, 05:08 AM
Hehe, only German blood to ever be considered for royalty in the UK is Saxon. Don't get carried away! :)

NormanBlood
Friday, June 4th, 2004, 05:10 AM
Hastings was a major Victory but it took 10-15 years of hard Struggle for William to really "Rein in" the English and make them compliant to his Rule. Actually he Ordered a "Strip and Burn" Campaign. There were 64 villages at the time of the Rebellion...only 16 were left after his "Bloody Ramapage" which was in fact to scorch the land and Kill all people and livestock.

Indeed, even after that there were a few attacks, if I remember correctly, during his son William II Rufus' reign as well. The Saxons never really were completely "tamed" by the Norman rule though the Conqueror did keep them on a "tight leash" so to speak. I remember one French source saying "and not one light could be lit "chez lui" beyond the curfews" or something to the effect. I belieev it was even mentioned by Molière in one of his letters. Either way, the point is the Saxons were quite the little pest for all the length of the Norman reign :P


Judging by the Plantagent she could have done Worse.
This was the line that produced Edward The Longshanks, The Black Prince, and Richard the Lionhearted.

Of course one can always do worse (unless marrying a black :| ) but my point in all this being that I do not believe that the two should have been mixed. It is my own "moral" I guess you could say, not only that but it feels almost as if Geoffroy was stealing Williams' achievements. Anywho, just my take on it all.


what about the great Queens of England??

I can't think of any really. To me the greatest Queen of the Isles was Boudicca of the Iceni ;)

+Suomut+
Friday, June 4th, 2004, 06:23 AM
I can't think of any really. To me the greatest Queen of the Isles was Boudicca of the Iceni ;)I recall a Queen once from The Northern European forum...what was her name? :|

NormanBlood
Friday, June 4th, 2004, 06:27 AM
I recall a Queen once from The Northern European forum...what was her name? :|

Queen NB? :D ;)

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, June 4th, 2004, 06:30 AM
Queen NB? :D ;)
Suomut is back! I registered at the NP but my account is inactive after not posting or something.

Northern Paladin
Friday, June 4th, 2004, 03:55 PM
I can't think of any really. To me the greatest Queen of the Isles was Boudicca of the Iceni

I'd say Queen Elizabeth I was a great Queen accomplishments wise.

But I regard her as a Prude and a Queer. :P

Awar
Friday, June 4th, 2004, 04:13 PM
To me the greatest Queen of the Isles was Boudicca of the Iceni ;)

:thumbsup

Odin Biggles
Monday, June 7th, 2004, 02:55 PM
Apparently Mel Gibsons next movie is about Boudiccas rebellion against the Romans, i hope its filmed in England so i can have a part as a soldier in her Iceni army :P (id settle for roman but Iceni is first choice :D )

Angelcynn
Thursday, August 26th, 2004, 04:20 AM
Who would you Consider the Greatest among them?

In my humble opinion...William the Conquer...Canute the Great...and Edward Longshanks. Favorite being the Conquer.
My own favourite is Aethelstan. As a warrior-King he was probably unsurpassed, at least in his own country, and his destruction at Brunanburgh of a combined Irish, Scotch and Viking invasion force earned him immense respect throughout Europe. Sadly, and somewhat ironically, the tactic he employed to such great effect at Brunanburgh - feigning retreat in the hope of encouraging the enemy to break ranks and give chase before turning and slaughtering them - was to be employed with similar aplomb, and success, by the Bastard at Hastings, for by succumbing to temptation the English managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, the end result of which was rule by the ghastly collection of parasites whose descendants are still with us today.

Vestmannr
Thursday, August 26th, 2004, 07:43 PM
My top three would be Alfred the Great, Canute the Great, and Edward the Confessor. Alas, but Tostig should have been king ... if only Harold Godwinsson had headed south first and waylaid William, then Harald Hardraada and Tostig might have won... and our history would be very different with a Northumbrian/Norwegian preeminence.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Sunday, August 29th, 2004, 11:20 AM
My top three would be Alfred the Great, Canute the Great, and Edward the Confessor. Alas, but Tostig should have been king ... if only Harold Godwinsson had headed south first and waylaid William, then Harald Hardraada and Tostig might have won... and our history would be very different with a Northumbrian/Norwegian preeminence.Yes, I wonder how much more England would be more like Iceland today if there was no Harrying of the North! If only Erik Bloodaxe had been permitted to remain, as son to the Norwegian king himself. If the Normans were forced to hug the North Shore of Francia, then England would have remained on the periphery of Europe. I do, also, believe that the Isle of Man is a more strategic location for the capital of the British Isles. Being surrounded by two massive islands and having sufficient space to harbour a navy on all sides, it is a central unit able to extend its triskelion flag in real world events. It is easily defended and positioned to administer power in all directions, but it's too bad that nobody has invested in that.