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Evolved
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 12:44 AM
http://www.model.ru/cgi-bin/sizepic.pl/3397/1.jpg
http://www.model.ru/cgi-bin/sizepic.pl/3397/2.jpg
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Andrey (http://www.model.ru/resume.hsql?id=3397)

Height: 182
Measurements: 100-80-90
Weight: 85
Shoe size: 42

Personal Info

Year of birth: 1980
Color of hair: blond
Color of eyes: Blue
Length of hair: Short
Color of skin: White
Type of the person: European
International passport: Present
Language: English (well)

(:inlove)

rusalka
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 01:08 AM
What is this, mail order bridegrooms? :D

Agrippa
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 01:12 AM
You dont think he has direct Nordid admixture? I think his face is already too narrow and fine featured for typical Baltids/Osteuropids...
No doubt he is predominantely (West-) Baltid, but still...

norda
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 01:14 AM
WEll maybe he is Baltid but not the East Baltic type rather good example of Slavic Arya type.

Kel`Thuz
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 01:14 AM
Now, I have read one article recently, which claimed that such classic Baltid types formed the bulk of the original Proto-Indo-European population, and this type was present through all the Aryan conquests, being a mesocephalic with CI of circa 77-78, straight or slightly concave nose, with moderately wide and short face.

norda
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 01:30 AM
With all respect lg, the only Uralic thing in him is that this type crossed Ural heading India ;)

Agrippa
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 03:08 AM
Now, I have read one article recently, which claimed that such classic Baltid types formed the bulk of the original Proto-Indo-European population, and this type was present through all the Aryan conquests, being a mesocephalic with CI of circa 77-78, straight or slightly concave nose, with moderately wide and short face.

Can you post a link to this article or the post the whole article here?
Or is it in another language than English or German?

My personal opinion is that the IE were probably mixed from the beginning, but to say that most of them were Baltid/Osteuropid sounds strange because such types were not present in most early IE areas afaik, especially not in the Kentum regions.

Evolved
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 03:51 AM
His forehead, nose and eyes makes me see him as a ("West") Baltid, but not a Ladogan. :)

norda
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 09:49 AM
Can you post a link to this article or the post the whole article here?
Or is it in another language than English or German?

My personal opinion is that the IE were probably mixed from the beginning, but to say that most of them were Baltid/Osteuropid sounds strange because such types were not present in most early IE areas afaik, especially not in the Kentum regions.
Well from gentical point of view just Kentums are great mix of types.
Aryan anthropology was discussed here
http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=6590
Agrippa, are you sure you know exactly what does “Osteruropid” mean. Are there 400 mln Slavs, Balts, Finougres etc.. of the same phenotype while in Luxemburg one can separate at least 10 types. :D
I think you still base on geography or politics rather then phenotype. Btw have you ever been to Russia?

Kel`Thuz
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 12:31 PM
Can you post a link to this article or the post the whole article here?
Or is it in another language than English or German?

My personal opinion is that the IE were probably mixed from the beginning, but to say that most of them were Baltid/Osteuropid sounds strange because such types were not present in most early IE areas afaik, especially not in the Kentum regions.

This article appeared in a Polish neo-heathen magazine Zerca , and is too long for me to translate in whole. But from what I can discern, its conclusions are based on documented anthropological finds of early Indo-European grave sites of neolithic, bronze and early Iron Age, where the mean CI was at 77.8 . The skulls of early medieval Slavs also have the same mean CI and are dominated by the mesocephalic ones. This is documented by Czekanowski in his book, so I can assure the crediblity of the source data in that article. Also I want to make clear, that we are not talking about your 'Osteuropid' which is a brachycephalic East-Baltic/Neo-Danubian, but of the classic Baltid (so-called Intermarine type), which in fact could be described as a robust Nordic. This type is now re-emerging among the Polish Slavs, as I can see many young adults who show its typical characteristics.
This article also covers the mental characteristics of this original IE Baltid race. These are: high constitution for environmental hardships, high stamina, great warrior spirit, courage, competetiveness, individualism, strong family bonds, industry, perseverance, strong feeling of honour and dignity, skills in a variety of fields from humanistic to mathematical sciences and art, fairness and hospitality. Negative traits: envy, rapacity, impulsiveness, vehemence, conceit. Well, sounds like a typical Pole :D, although we have the negative traits augmented by the sick socio-religious catholic system. The original Baltid Aryans had much more opportunities to show their positive warrior traits. Of course I do not say that IE people were all Baltid by race, but that the original Baltid race comprised most of them. I still hold to my thesis that the IE steppe horsemen were more gracile and Pontid racially. By fusing the Pontid and Baltid elements, there appeared a few distinct types which characterize Slavs to this day, among them Corded Nords, Danubian Nords, and also some more Dinaric-like (brachycephalized Pontids ?). The East-Baltics & co. are a product of mingling with Finno-Ugrians (Lapponoid) from NE forests. Also intrusion of alien western (mostly German) elements - Alpine, Mediterranean - had a significant impact. The pre-Slavic rural population also cannot be forgotten, but I don't know well what kind of racial impact it had. What I can observe in the backward rural areas of my region, is the predomination of brown eyes and peculiar 'primitive' facial features which make most of the population there similar to each other. Perhaps they are some remnants of the autochtones, inbred to such a disgusting extent.
Anyway, the original Aryan Baltid type is beginning to predominate again in the civilised regions of Poland, and that's good I guess...
So I'll finish with a quote from the article:
The Slavs of the Intermarine race are thus the major heirs, representatives, and continuators of the ancient Aryan heritage

Agrippa
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 12:39 PM
Well from gentical point of view just Kentums are great mix of types.
Aryan anthropology was discussed here
http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=6590
Agrippa, are you sure you know exactly what does “Osteruropid” mean. Are there 400 mln Slavs, Balts, Finougres etc.. of the same phenotype while in Luxemburg one can separate at least 10 types. :D
I think you still base on geography or politics rather then phenotype. Btw have you ever been to Russia?

No I was never in Russia (money was the reason) but I know much about Russian history, the folk, the composition of types.

Osteuropid is if you want a broad term, thats right. You can distinguish the Nordid type in various variants which are all different in a way, or you can say tall-depigmented-dolichocephalic-leptoprosopic etc. without further distinction.

Osteuropid is the general term for the partly or fully depigmented brachycephalic and broad faced types of Eastern Europe (they are just in Eastern Europe strong thats a fact, you will seldom see such types in Spain...)

Osteuropid is basically made up by a) Baltid and b) Neodanubian.

In the past I thought just Neodanubian, but then I read some things about the Osteuropid type and it was such a broad term that it can include both.

Real Lappid types are of course something different.

Agrippa
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 01:16 PM
Sounds like a new mythos for the neo-heathens of Poland, but probably with some facts in it.


but of the classic Baltid (so-called Intermarine type), which in fact could be described as a robust Nordic. This type is now re-emerging among the Polish Slavs, as I can see many young adults who show its typical characteristics.

I would describe this as Fennonordid or Baltid-Nordid mixed.

Because even the (West-) Baltids (typical for some parts of the Balticum in particular) are more brachycephalic.

I saw what you probably mean in Poles and had the impression of mixed (usually Nordid-Baltid) Nordoids.
I saw very Nordid Poles as well and think they are clearly distinguishable from Baltid/Osteuropid Poles.

Especially in students from Poland I often see Nordid-Baltid/Fennonordid intermediates.

I think the Alpinid element might be the oldest in the Polish Central and Southern regions whereas the Baltid element might be the basis of the Northern and Eastern parts.
Later Neolithization might have introduced new Dinarid and Mediterranid (I had a Polish girl in my school which was typically Dinarid-Pontid would be a very good example) elements and the Indoeuropeans introduced new Nordid AND Pontid (Mediterranid) variants.

New Nordid and Osteuropid types came with the Slavs (which might have been partly mixed with Finno-Ugrians which resulted in the Neodanubians).

This Neodanubian elements are not too strong in Poles but clearly visible (I had a school friend from Poland which had Lappoid influence) especially in some peasants of the Eastern regions. (they could be pre-Slavic as well who knows although this is unlikely because they were associated with Slavs in Czechia and Austria were they appeared with the Slavs - at least those which came in this regions.)

norda
Friday, May 28th, 2004, 03:08 PM
I really appreciate your good will Agrippa but it seems you are really creating your own taxonomy. ;)
According to Coon Neodanubians consist majority of Slavs, father of “nordishism” estimated its percentage in Poland even on 55% and you can not find them at all.
The types similar to Coons Neo-Danubians (light pigmented, meso-or subrachcephalic with straight nose - so similar to Fallish but with shorter faces and more regular features- less Cro-Magnon admix) are indeed the most numerous in many Slavic regions but not in SNAPA pictures versions (mongoloid mixes from multicultural Russian cities). Whoever selected such pictures had absolutely no idea what is writing about. Contrary one could select Negro mixes in Vienna and present it as new race- Central European Neo-Mediterranean. But what for?
Stereotypes about nowadays Scandinavian dolichocephalism were corrected many times as well as CI differentiation in great European plains so I do hope you must be aware.
If you are really interested about Slavic or C. European taxonomy deeper then on Osteuropid level you can always read at SAF (I hope you are not banned anymore) about Bunak types or join Temple of Perun.

Loge
Wednesday, February 15th, 2006, 02:28 AM
kind of looks like me in a weird and twisted way