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Blod og Jord
Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 05:17 AM
I'm find them distasteful.

Like this:
http://forums.skadi.net/photoplog/index.php?n=2918

Or this:
http://forums.skadi.net/photoplog/index.php?n=2929

I'm not have anything against national socialism. Normal pictures of Hitler or SS don't offend me.
But these aren't looking good on the frontpage of the forum. In my opinion.
What is the point of posting them?

Hierwend
Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 05:25 AM
I find them pretty amusing, and I think that is probably their purpose. They are probably distasteful but they are also quite hilarious. http://forums.skadi.net/photoplog/index.php?n=2814 is my favorite.

Blod og Jord
Saturday, May 23rd, 2009, 07:04 AM
I find them pretty amusing, and I think that is probably their purpose. They are probably distasteful but they are also quite hilarious. http://forums.skadi.net/photoplog/index.php?n=2814 is my favorite.
Maybe, but there are too many of them in my opinion. Before some days ago, I liked looking at the picture bar on the front page.
But now all I'm see are photoshopped pictures of Hitler, race war pictures,
skinhead wallpaper and things which to me as Scandinavian,
don't have a special meaning.
It used to be nice, with pictures from all over the Germanic countries.
A bunad here, some animals there, a landscape from Tirol, a scene of the Boer war...
Now it's too overwhelming. It's not a very varied view, if you can understand my point?
I'm think the person who uploaded all these pictures exaggerated it. Uploaded too many.
Is there at least a way I can disable this picture bar at least?

Hauke Haien
Saturday, May 23rd, 2009, 08:12 AM
Recent items are more likely to show up in the bar and if several of the same type are uploaded in quick succession, it can seem overwhelming even if the total number is actually not that high. It will normalise over time and when the spotlight shifts to even newer uploads. We are continuously examining the quality and relevance of contributions to the gallery and the issues raised here are most likely going to be addressed during the course of that process.

Regarding the last question: On the right side of every section on the main page, there is an arrow that can be clicked on, in order to collapse/hide it or expand/make it visible again.

Rassenhygieniker
Saturday, May 23rd, 2009, 11:30 PM
What is the point of posting them?

For amusement? The photoshopped body-building Hitler picture is quite the funny one.

Hierwend
Saturday, May 23rd, 2009, 11:55 PM
I understand where you're comming from completely Jael, and I agree it is nice to see pictures from the entire Germanic world.

Blod og Jord
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 12:07 AM
For amusement? The photoshopped body-building Hitler picture is quite the funny one.
I'm guess I'm just don't have this kind of sense of humour.
I'm not find it very funny to make fun at expense of Germanic history.

Since I'm logged in, this is what's on the front page:

SS-Oberstgruppenführer Paul "Papa" Hausser
Reinhard Heydrich
Adolf Hitler as passenger in the "Beetle"
Waffen-SS
SS-Obergruppenführer Felix Martin Julius Steiner

It's not the only time. Most of the time lately it's only national socialist pictures on it.
I'm not offended, but there should be some moderation and diversity.
Not all the members are national socialists or German.
There were some landscape pictures and people from Nordic countries I'm posted, but they almost never come up on the front page.
In the absence of another possibility, I'm decided to disable the picture bar.

Renwein
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 01:22 AM
I also found the bodybuilding pic funny, but actually I agree with Jael, a lot of pics are 'below tone' (considering the 'highbrow' landscapes and artworks that were up before), and despite me being more 'nutzi' than yer average person (;)), and liked looking at several of the pics, the swamping of those images was a bit OTT, but, they are breaking up now anyway amid other pics, so ...

Anlef
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 02:04 AM
I understand that people are fascinated by the national socialists and their ilk, but I deplore that a lot of people on this board seem to think that they were exemplary figures.

National socialism was, is and always will be detrimental to our Northern Spirit. For all their talk about heritage & nature, the nazi's were modernist biological reductionists who suffused their show with distinctly Roman bravado and heinous deeds.

I don't see what the point is in posting these kinds of pictures. How does the Germanic world gain from dwelling on this embarrassing part of the past? What message are we spreading to would-be joiners? All we're doing is confirming preconceptions. I accept the fact that there are national socialists on this board, but surely they must understand that this is counterproductive with regard to Germanic preservation?

Were there instances of goodness and virtue among the Germans during World War II? Sure. But let's present that fact with tact and discretion, in stead of chucking pictures of corrupted minds and dodgy imagery on the frontpage.

Nachtengel
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 04:18 AM
I find some of the pictures funny, in a silly/goofy way. :D Though I can see why even a NS would take offense at the bodybuilding picture. But I don't. I guess I'm just more open. :P


I understand that people are fascinated by the national socialists and their ilk, but I deplore that a lot of people on this board seem to think that they were exemplary figures.

National socialism was, is and always will be detrimental to our Northern Spirit. For all their talk about heritage & nature, the nazi's were modernist biological reductionists who suffused their show with distinctly Roman bravado and heinous deeds.
Fine that's your opinion on NS, but why should it be mind too, and of all others? I'm not trying to force my view on NS on you, so why should I be forced to adopt yours? No, you don't understand that people are fascinated by it. If you would, and be as open minded as moderates claim to be, you'd just accept the fact that not everyone thinks like you.


I don't see what the point is in posting these kinds of pictures. How does the Germanic world gain from dwelling on this embarrassing part of the past? What message are we spreading to would-be joiners? All we're doing is confirming preconceptions. I accept the fact that there are national socialists on this board, but surely they must understand that this is counterproductive with regard to Germanic preservation?
Why must it always be NS that have to censor ourselves for the sake of virtue, tact and whatnot? What if we asked you to censor yourselves? Maybe one day someone will be bothered by too many landscapes and folk costumes, though about that? The gallery pics don't even show up for guests, just log out and there will be none, so I don't see how they make the site look "nazi" to would-be joiners.

Blod og Jord
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 04:22 AM
I'm not against national socialism as ideology,
in fact I'm agree with some aspects of it.
Another thing is, sometimes people visit this site from their office,
and it's not the best publicity for them if national socialist images frequently show up
on the front page.
In Denmark it's not as bad as in Germany,
but not everyone is from Denmark.
I'm think posting one picture of a national socialist is enough,
and serves its information purpose.
But posting tens of them, what does it do? If I'm want to know how Papa Hausser looked like,
I'm can search his name and find a picture, and that's enough.
I'm not need tens of pictures.
I'm not saying not post at all, just have some reason please.

Nachtengel
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 04:26 AM
Another thing is, sometimes people visit this site from their office,
and it's not the best publicity for them if national socialist images frequently show up
on the front page.
In Denmark it's not as bad as in Germany,
but not everyone is from Denmark.
Read here:
http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=948252&postcount=13

I browse from work sometimes too, and there are many ways to make the site look 'invisible', before asking others to censor themselves for your sake.

There are enough forums out there that censor you, put you on moderation or ban you for posting NS material. It would be saddening if Skadi joined that bandwagon.

Ahnenerbe
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 12:32 PM
What is the point of posting them?

I'm the one who posted most of the pics you're talking about, almost knowing there would be a thread like this ;) (which is welcome BTW). Like it has been said above, some people may be a bit shocked by the NS pictures, while others (like me) will be bored to death by folk costumes (which I've never seen in real life), mountains, etc. But both are part of Germanic culture and will please some members so they belong in the Gallery.

Being Germanic to me has very little to do with living on a fjord or in a mountain, being-self sufficient in a rural compound, dressing as a "goth", being a Heathenist, a Viking reenactor, a traditional wood carver, practicing sword fighting, etc, all that kind of day-dreamer stuff. If we limit the understanding of "Germanic preservation" to things like that, it quickly becomes entirely virtual, and without links to the physical reality. It's like playing "Dungeons & Dragons". I understand the need for being moderate, but it should not go too far.

Germanics in today's world are mostly living in urban areas, using the technology they have created and struggling in front of daily non-Germanic adversity. We are here to share and discuss the concrete practical means (ideological, social, spiritual, economical) to resist this trend of degeneration.

These days on the boards, people even ask "What does talking about the Jews has to do with Germanic preservation ?". My answer is: "Everything!" You could not say "white" if "black" did not exist. The same way, you can not define an ethnicity without comparing it to the others that surround it.

The other side (the multicult and non-Germanic ethnicities) are extremely aggressive and live their fight for supremacy in very real and concrete terms, while on our side we have too many people living in virtuality and thinking with too much idealism.

I understand people who criticize Nazis and White supremists, but in the end it's those types who will be again actually be doing something. By White supremacy, I don't mean "violent attacks on non-whites", but the deep rooted belief that "we" must be the best and win, through higher intelligence, science, genetics, finance and technology. That's the true "Viking" spirit.

I do not believe in "I'm not a supremist, I respect all peoples as long as they respect me too" (which is called: ethno-differentialism). The other ethnicities do not, and will never respect you. They fear and hate all that is White, and especially Germanic and will put you down whenever they can. Being a "racialist liberal" simply doesn't work.

Also, back to the pictures, there is the fact that anything "Nazi" brings traffic and interest, whether positive or negative. That's a trick used even (and mostly) by mainstream magazines, TV programs, etc. Got an news-empty summer month ? Put Hitler or the Gestapo back on your frontpage and you'll have saved your earnings :D



National socialism was, is and always will be detrimental to our Northern Spirit. For all their talk about heritage & nature, the nazi's were modernist biological reductionists who suffused their show with distinctly Roman bravado and heinous deeds.

That's the whole point about National Socialists. They were - and are - mostly non-Nordic elements but that fight for the promotion of the Nordic race. Nordics seem too altruistic to take care of themselves and develop that healthy racism that would protect them from miscgenation. This would have been the Third Reich's final destiny: the "Roman" (actually Austrian/Bavarian) mindset had created an empire dedicated to racial improvement which would probably have dissolved itself when the Nordic element would have became predominant and more individualistic and freedom-inclined, so the result would finally have been more Nordics on the whole and more freedom too. I would have been like the end of the Soviet Union, but with a concrete biological result instead.

But we disgress from the topic :) .


pictures of corrupted minds and dodgy imagery on the frontpage.

Who is really able to judge on the morality of National Socialism ? Because of the "6-millions" (let's pretend this story is true for one second) ? The problem is not that a few million people were killed on racial grounds (genocides have happen all long of history and most of their perpetrators are now honored for it in their respective countries), but that Jews were targeted and that they are a people who have all the means at their disposal to retaliate throught ceaseless propaganda, lawsuits and harrassment. "Good" in mainstream society is what is good for the Jews.

They were also 20 millions Slavs killed by the Nazis, also on racial grounds yet nobody is talking or even thinking about it. Because it's not bad? No, only because there are very few Russians in the global media, finance and politics. So the Russian mourning stays within Russian borders, while the Jewish mourning is spread worldwide and on top of that used shamelessly to gain silence on their own wrong deeds, sympathy, money and power. The Jew never loses his supremacist aims from sight, but he makes you lose your own.

Anlef
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 01:55 PM
Fine that's your opinion on NS, but why should it be mind too, and of all others? I'm not trying to force my view on NS on you, so why should I be forced to adopt yours? No, you don't understand that people are fascinated by it. If you would, and be as open minded as moderates claim to be, you'd just accept the fact that not everyone thinks like you.

I don't force my view on you. That would require some kind of show of force on my part. (I have no power here, and wouldn't use it if I had.) But I challenge your view, for I believe it is harmful to the things I hold dear and the things you (i.e. national socialists) say you hold dear.

Also, I'm not a moderate. (What makes you say I am? Moderation implies a watered down version of an original view. Something which doesn't apply to me.) Yet I do accept that fact that not everyone thinks like me. In fact, how much freedom of thought would your national socialist government, if implemented, allow to those of other demeanor? National socialism is a far cry from the way our ancient ancestors conducted business. In most ways they are total opposites. Of course our ancestors were not perfect, and we live in different circumstances now. But we need to find some way to hold on to that Northern Spirit, and national socialism is not that way.


Why must it always be NS that have to censor ourselves for the sake of virtue, tact and whatnot? What if we asked you to censor yourselves? Maybe one day someone will be bothered by too many landscapes and folk costumes, though about that? The gallery pics don't even show up for guests, just log out and there will be none, so I don't see how they make the site look "nazi" to would-be joiners.

Sure, I can imagine people getting fed up by an overdose of landscapes and folk costumes. But they're in a different category. For the pictures of nazi's are loaded with moral implications.

And would-be joiners indeed have to register before seeing any of the pictures, but most of them would see them before they write their first message, i.e. before they practically join. That's exactly what happened when I joined. I don't consider my own case as some kind of litmus test, but I think the arguments speak for themselves.

velvet
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 02:47 PM
That's the whole point about National Socialists. They were - and are - mostly non-Nordic elements but that fight for the promotion of the Nordic race. Nordics seem too altruistic to take care of themselves and develop that healthy racism that would protect them from miscgenation. This would have been the Third Reich's final destiny: the "Roman" (actually Austrian/Bavarian) mindset had created an empire dedicated to racial improvement which would probably have dissolved itself when the Nordic element would have became predominant and more individualistic and freedom-inclined, so the result would finally have been more Nordics on the whole and more freedom too.

Thanks for explaining a bit of yourself, where you stand and things. I appreciated most of your posts for being very informative, although I wouldnt agree to all of them, anyway they are informative ;)

With the bold marked sentences though I would like to point out that you contradict yourself a bit. Above you said you're not a day-dreamer, but that wish, not to say fantasy, that the third Reich would have dissolved itself into a nice, happy, individualistic and freedom inclined germanic world sounds exactly like a day-dream. It would never have happened, simply due to the wrong inclined structure from its start. I dont talk about the philosophy of national socialism, but about the concrete outlook of the third Reich.

It would be good, specially in sight of future germanic preservation, if we could leave the Hitler-worship behind and try another way of national socialism. By the way I wonder what is so 'fascinating' about Hitler? I find the body building picture specially disgusting, in general I find Hitler to be a quite ugly guy. Okay, that is my personal taste concerning his appearance. The traffic argument I cant really follow, because these pictures only show up when logged in, search engines never see them. But even the third Reich offered some other themes, dont know, Riefenstahl's dance formations or whatever, I'm tired of all the Hitler propaganda machinery and military organised presentation of our folk. I dont like tanks (again an aesthetical point), and I'm not really fond of the war-glorification (although I agree that we face one in the near future, which is required too). As said, I would appreciate a new vision of national socialism, it offers so much more than just the Führer-worship or repeating something that has finally failed. And when you need to promote the third Reich, I would also appreciate a more aesthetical approach ;)

Anlef
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 03:00 PM
I'm the one who posted most of the pics you're talking about, almost knowing there would be a thread like this ;) (which is welcome BTW). Like it has been said above, some people may be a bit shocked by the NS pictures, while others (like me) will be bored to death by folk costumes (which I've never seen in real life), mountains, etc. But both are part of Germanic culture and will please some members so they belong in the Gallery.

Being Germanic to me has very little to do with living on a fjord or in a mountain, being-self sufficient in a rural compound, dressing as a "goth", being a Heathenist, a Viking reenactor, a traditional wood carver, practicing sword fighting, etc, all that kind of day-dreamer stuff. If we limit the understanding of "Germanic preservation" to things like that, it quickly becomes entirely virtual, and without links to the physical reality. It's like playing "Dungeons & Dragons". I understand the need for being moderate, but it should not go too far.

Germanics in today's world are mostly living in urban areas, using the technology they have created and struggling in front of daily non-Germanic adversity. We are here to share and discuss the concrete practical means (ideological, social, spiritual, economical) to resist this trend of degeneration.

I agree with what you're saying, and would add that however impressive the efforts of the people here, there is still an atmosphere here like that in a museum. Also, I admit that my efforts here have been far from impressive so far, but I do have my own ways outside this forum.


These days on the boards, people even ask "What does talking about the Jews has to do with Germanic preservation ?". My answer is: "Everything!" You could not say "white" if "black" did not exist. The same way, you can not define an ethnicity without comparing it to the others that surround it.

It's true we need an Other to define ourselves. But too much focus on that Other only gives us a vague picture of what we are supposed to be. For there are third parties that are neither like that Other nor like us.

As for the Jews, I'm not interested in blaming them for the bulk of our misery. If they (i.e. a deal of them) are really taking advantage of us, it's because we let them take advantage of us. In stead of pointing fingers and complaining, we should focus on investing in our heritage.


The other side (the multicult and non-Germanic ethnicities) are extremely aggressive and live their fight for supremacy in very real and concrete terms, while on our side we have too many people living in virtuality and thinking with too much idealism.

I understand people who criticize Nazis and White supremists, but in the end it's those types who will be again actually be doing something. By White supremacy, I don't mean "violent attacks on non-whites", but the deep rooted belief that "we" must be the best and win, through higher intelligence, science, genetics, finance and technology. That's the true "Viking" spirit.

I do not believe in "I'm not a supremist, I respect all peoples as long as they respect me too" (which is called: ethno-differentialism). The other ethnicities do not, and will never respect you. They fear and hate all that is White, and especially Germanic and will put you down whenever they can. Being a "racialist liberal" simply doesn't work.

Is there anything more unbecoming than a false sense of nobility? Deep rooted belief in your own supremacy only hides whatever faults you have, making you vulnerable in stead. It's like taking painkillers perpetually, until you realise (or don't) that death is certain. No, what we need is a deep rooted belief in the fact that we are a souvereign family with mysteries of its own. And we need a positive attitude, in stead of indulging in victim politics ('the Jews are oppressing us!'). We need to whistle our way to redemption, without being monsters to others.

I will give you that other ethnicities look down on us as long as we give them opportunities to change our destiny for us. But we're not going to win any respect by being monsters ourselves. If anything, we need to show moral superiority. Something that can be done while we set up repatriation policies.


Also, back to the pictures, there is the fact that anything "Nazi" brings traffic and interest, whether positive or negative. That's a trick used even (and mostly) by mainstream magazines, TV programs, etc. Got an news-empty summer month ? Put Hitler or the Gestapo back on your frontpage and you'll have saved your earnings :D

Yes, the difference being that the mainstream media denounce the nazi's they show on the frontpage.


That's the whole point about National Socialists. They were - and are - mostly non-Nordic elements but that fight for the promotion of the Nordic race. Nordics seem too altruistic to take care of themselves and develop that healthy racism that would protect them from miscgenation. This would have been the Third Reich's final destiny: the "Roman" (actually Austrian/Bavarian) mindset had created an empire dedicated to racial improvement which would probably have dissolved itself when the Nordic element would have became predominant and more individualistic and freedom-inclined, so the result would finally have been more Nordics on the whole and more freedom too. I would have been like the end of the Soviet Union, but with a concrete biological result instead.

But we disgress from the topic :) .

I find it positive that your ultimate aim is the freedom characteristic of the Northern Spirit, but I have no faith whatsoever that the national socialist system would just dissolve. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Once people accumulate that much power, most of them will not give it up that easily. They will consolidate and try to prolong their position, if not enlarge. And since they have so much power to begin with, they will have the means to do so. Our ancient ancestors understood this.


Who is really able to judge on the morality of National Socialism ? Because of the "6-millions" (let's pretend this story is true for one second) ? The problem is not that a few million people were killed on racial grounds (genocides have happen all long of history and most of their perpetrators are now honored for it in their respective countries), but that Jews were targeted and that they are a people who have all the means at their disposal to retaliate throught ceaseless propaganda, lawsuits and harrassment. "Good" in mainstream society is what is good for the Jews.

They were also 20 millions Slavs killed by the Nazis, also on racial grounds yet nobody is talking or even thinking about it. Because it's not bad? No, only because there are very few Russians in the global media, finance and politics. So the Russian mourning stays within Russian borders, while the Jewish mourning is spread worldwide and on top of that used shamelessly to gain silence on their own wrong deeds, sympathy, money and power. The Jew never loses his supremacist aims from sight, but he makes you lose your own.

Who is to judge? Might does not make right. If it does, then by your rationale, the Jews are more right than Germanics. Hell, even Arabs and Negroes are more right, since they're flooding our lands.

God judges, and He instills in us a sense of right and wrong. We need to refine this sense through use of rational thought.

Do me a favour and check out some conservative/traditionalist thought. I'm not talking about your average Republican, or neo-conservatives and such. No, I'm talking about the common sense philosophy of old, before the onslaught of modernity, which resulted in liberalism, marxism and fascism.

(Like Velvet, I want to show my appreciation for your openness in this debate.)

Hauke Haien
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 03:08 PM
I recommend reading up on the Reichserntedankfest. Folk costumes, living on a rural compound, reenactment, plenty of day-dreamer stuff. In 1935, a demonstration of contemporary warrior culture was added. The foundation of the event was distinctly Heathen and up to 1.3 million people participated. Admittedly, it did not conform to Anglo-American NS culture and the Classicist and Christian tendencies within the Western world were not especially prominent either, but many things in NS Germany were disappointing in that sense.

Getting back to what is relevant, it seems like the Gallery rules permit both historical NS pictures as well as political pictures for reference purposes. What is left for Skadi Staff to do is figure out which types of pictures fit in with respect to the rest of the rules and the overall goal to have a gallery that is both useful and aesthetically pleasing. That will happen in due form and time.

Stygian Cellarius
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 03:32 PM
I love the NS pictures. I agree that they can stimulate negative emotional/psychological response to ignorant viewers, but I would imagine such viewers would hardly exist in this forum. NS pictures should only offend and be morally shady if someone has a partial understanding of its truth and is still affected by the Jewish portrayal of events (to shed that affection actually takes years). If a true understanding be known, I do not see how it would be possible for anyone in this forum to have any reservations about their appearance.

Whether one is German or not makes no difference. Hitler and NS have attempted more for the preservation of Germanic people and heritage than any other man/group that ever existed, exists, and probably will exist in the future (lets hope not). Is that relevant to this forum? YES! More than all else combined! NS Germany, whether one likes it or not, was a milestone in the history of our racial preservation. A real fight, not a virtual one. Hitler and National Socialists REALLY did something, and to sneer at that attempt is offensive to me.

It always annoys me when people with the same fundamental goals of National Socialism (whether they know it or not) judge the events of National Socialism out of its historical context. They judge what would be morally right or wrong from the security of modern prosperity and distance of time. Divorced from sufficient understanding of human nature and necessity within the context it existed. I'd like to see how much humanitarian justice and theoretical morality they hold onto when their world is in peril and the sh*t hits the fan. When it's a decision between their family and yours, their government or yours, their economic system or yours. Within that context all theoretic morality dissolves into the fantasy world from which it came and people will start making decisions more aligned with instinct, nature and cold ruthless preservation. People believe they are "above" that. They are not. And to have someone sitting in the luxury of air conditioning, eating delivered pizza and watching movie rentals pass their righteousness and moral judgment on you?

Honestly, the only pictures I don't like are the ones that show miscegenation or mock Hitler. The miscegenation pictures make me ill and humorous photoshopped pictures of Hitler or Hitler Rap videos make a joke out of him, they mock him, which I personally do not like. I guess I feel a similar way a true Christian would feel about Jesus being mocked. But that's just me, I'm not suggesting forum admin take action based on my sensitivities.

Blod og Jord
Sunday, May 24th, 2009, 05:32 PM
I'm the one who posted most of the pics you're talking about, almost knowing there would be a thread like this ;) (which is welcome BTW). Like it has been said above, some people may be a bit shocked by the NS pictures, while others (like me) will be bored to death by folk costumes (which I've never seen in real life), mountains, etc. But both are part of Germanic culture and will please some members so they belong in the Gallery.

Being Germanic to me has very little to do with living on a fjord or in a mountain, being-self sufficient in a rural compound, dressing as a "goth", being a Heathenist, a Viking reenactor, a traditional wood carver, practicing sword fighting, etc, all that kind of day-dreamer stuff.
Heathenists aren't day-dreamers, they are living the Germanic tradition and virtues,
and it's not heathen pictures which dominate the picture bar.
It's more and more national socialist ones.
How about those who are bored to death of 100 pictures of Hitler or Heydrich's face?


If we limit the understanding of "Germanic preservation" to things like that, it quickly becomes entirely virtual, and without links to the physical reality. It's like playing "Dungeons & Dragons". I understand the need for being moderate, but it should not go too far.
Where does moderation begin to you?
When you've emptied your entire hard drive of national socialist pictures into the Skadi gallery?

I'm have one more question for you,
do you consider pictures of race mixing to conform to this rule of the gallery?

3. Depictions of nudity, pornographic depictions, as well as obscene, vulgar, and tasteless images, as unappealably determined by Staff.

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=47408

I'm consider them obscene, vulgar and tasteless,
and I'm think we've seen more than enough race mixing in the media and in other threads,
to see it in the gallery too.
Do you have some aesthetic standards?

Ahnenerbe
Monday, May 25th, 2009, 01:25 AM
Above you said you're not a day-dreamer, but that wish, not to say fantasy, that the third Reich would have dissolved itself into a nice, happy, individualistic and freedom inclined germanic world sounds exactly like a day-dream. It would never have happened, simply due to the wrong inclined structure from its start. I dont talk about the philosophy of national socialism, but about the concrete outlook of the third Reich.

I really do think like that. What if Greater Germany had been populated by "120 million of Nordic type by 1980" like it was (briefly) planned by RFSS Himmler ? Anyway, people probably wouldn't have walked around in uniforms in all the alleys of life for one thousand years. But I suggest we continue this discussion on : What if the Nazis had won World War 2 ? (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=7968)



If anything, we need to show moral superiority. [...] Who is to judge? Might does not make right. [...] God judges, and He instills in us a sense of right and wrong. We need to refine this sense through use of rational thought. Do me a favour and check out some conservative/traditionalist thought. I'm not talking about your average Republican, or neo-conservatives and such. No, I'm talking about the common sense philosophy of old, before the onslaught of modernity, which resulted in liberalism, marxism and fascism.

This is interesting. I think this is the main divide in the racialist movement: between those who have a morality and those who do not (or put it aside).

I find the conservative/traditionalist thought and mentality quite boring and above all inefficient (I guess that's why people become NS/supremists), but I do suspect there must actually be something about it. I still don't get it intellectually, but only feel it from empirical observation. I noticed that this is the ideology of most of the higher Whites, especially those of the Anglo-American establishment (who helped to defeat the Third Reich because they thought it was morally wrong) that is transmitted from generation to generation in the good families. While the supremacists and extremists of today and yesterday almost all started as "white trash", adventurers, self-educated persons, or people with a strict scientific educational background, who have a mechanical approach of things. But the moral types are always able to rule on the long term, while supremacists can only rule once everything has been subjugated, which is very difficult to achieve (and causes a bit of mayhem in the process). So, I take up your offer of reading such ideas, if you can provide me with some useful and synthetic links to it.

I suspect for a while already (http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=855661&postcount=6) that durable racial preservation could only happen in the future if it manages to be in agreement with what the establishment calls morality. In other words : durable success will only happen with the full involvment of the White "moral" establishment; and this White establishment will only get involved when they will have found a "moral" solution to the racial problem.

One thing I never understood: what do seemingly intelligent White people mean when they say "God" ? I imagine you don't believe there's a white-bearded old man in the sky etc, so what do you actually mean by this ? I also welcome any explanation, source or article that could help me to finally understand or even grasp a bit of this.

I do have a basic sense of morality of course, but from the moment that I see that something is definitely superior to another, I put all morality aside, because in my mind, not Might is Right, but Best is Right. I don't say "we're superior/best just because we're Whites/Germanics", but "if it's true and proven that progressive (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=44767) and Northern (http://forums.skadi.net/forumdisplay.php?f=108) types genetically start in life from a better hardware (which seems to be the case, according to all the scientific evidence (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=931897#post931897) accumulated here), then why in the world waste our time, resources and energy into trying to uplift or spare the - comparatively - genetically retarded ?". For me, knowing when to "disable" your sense of morality to achieve a higher biological purpose is a more advanced state of mind than basically feeling obliged to all of humanity because it comes from "God". Or otherwise, we shouldn't even improve cattle through breeding because God created it that way.

So, what should ultimately rule: God/morality or science ? The Third Reich choose science, that's why I consider it as another civilization with its own rules that cannot be judged through the standards of Christian/Democratic morality.



It would be good, [...] if we could leave the Hitler-worship behind and try another way of national socialism. By the way I wonder what is so 'fascinating' about Hitler?

Hitler, like Jesus is for some people just a man, for others he's a symbol, or a prophet. For most people today, it's not that much the man who he really was which counts, as much as the symbolic representation of his Idea and of his Will. But of course, next time we'll try another way of NS ;) .



Heathenists aren't day-dreamers, they are living the Germanic tradition and virtues,

I just cited this as an exemple; it's by no means an insult.



I'm have one more question for you, do you consider pictures of race mixing to conform to this rule of the gallery?

3. Depictions of nudity, pornographic depictions, as well as obscene, vulgar, and tasteless images, as unappealably determined by Staff.

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=47408

I'm consider them obscene, vulgar and tasteless, and I'm think we've seen more than enough race mixing in the media and in other threads,
to see it in the gallery too. Do you have some aesthetic standards?

Those are actually anti-race mixing pictures, so they can be of interest to some people here.

Sigurd
Monday, May 25th, 2009, 01:45 AM
There are enough forums out there that censor you, put you on moderation or ban you for posting NS material. It would be saddening if Skadi joined that bandwagon.

Censorship or disciplinary measures is by no means what she suggested. She is mostly suggesting a point of "Everything in moderation".

In fact, one could have just as many pictures of Hitler if one uploaded one every day for a year, instead of uploading 365 at a time. One option looks absolutely out of balance and over the top, the other option is reasonable and never conceived over the top and even perhaps considered as positive. The end result is the same.

On the other hand, I understand that Ahnenerbe is a person who loves order, and has a very systematic approach. That is, he would upload all files pertaining to one topic first, then the files pertaining to another topic, and so on. At a point when there'd long only been sporadic uploads to the gallery I understand it can look a little over-the-top, but one also has to understand that that's an intermediate point on the road of compiling an extensive gallery.

In either instance - my personal advice will be: If you think something is over-represented and would wish to have other things represented more, do your part towards it: If A uploads 100 NS pictures and no one else uploads any, then of course it looks a little unbalanced. If however B uploads 100 Heathenry pictures, C uploads 100 Architecture pictures, D uploads 100 Folk Custome pictures --- it doesn't look so bad either.

Because the "Random Thumbs" header isn't generated by how recently a picture was posted, but just any random ones from the gallery. Therefore, by posting pictures of other pertinent matters or causes you immediately lessen that chance if you fuss with all the NS pictures.

It shouldn't have to be a choice between political, religious, artistic or other impressions, nor even a choice between the different denominations amongst these matters: We can have both, or gallery is large enough for that. All it takes is for those who wish for it to look more balanced to upload pictures to re-establish that balance. :thumbup