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Herzbluth
Sunday, May 17th, 2009, 11:56 AM
What do you think?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/Mariya_Magdalena.jpg

But before the discussion starts, I must clarify I'm just talking of a very special type of redheads. Of course I know there is a tendency for ginger hair in the Nordic Race, but that's still different from that darker copper-colour. Beside that there are many redheads with darker eyes (green or even brown):

http://www.dougbarber.com/red/db_mecloseup2madz2.jpg

And I'm not talking of Non-European mixtures or gypsy-hair. I'm talking of that very special type, which has that characteristic highstepping pale skin with it's tendency for freckles.

http://www.dougbarber.com/red/db_birthday6071.jpg

http://www.dougbarber.com/red/db_Buzz2j3.jpg

According to Hans F. K. Günther and the common racial interpretation in the Third Reich the red colour is just an effect of a mixture of Nordics with darker colours… but that doesn't explain that extreme sensitive skin, which is worse than in case of blondes!):

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/1/23/1232730572620/Isla-Mae-Lubbock-002.jpg

(No idea from which planet this child comes from… ;))

Tom_toms
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 12:46 PM
It's just this 1-4 % neanderthal admix which turned up more. ;)

Sigurd
Monday, August 9th, 2010, 02:10 PM
Essentially, it is just a genetic disposition, and we know at least five different genetic causes for rufosity throughout the world, but they are all likely traceable to a genetic mutation (rather than anomaly) within the Chromosome-Pair #16.

Essentially, there is nothing absurd about having red hair --- it is just that there are two types of melanine that are responsible for our hair colour (and also other pigment).

These are Eumelanine and Pheomelanine. Eumelanine is sub-split into Brown Eumelanine and Black Eumelanine; the former is predominantly found in Europeans and the latter is almost exclusively, and most commonly found in non-Europeans (though they may have Brown Eumelanine as well).

What we are interested in with red hair is the Pheomelanine. Typically it just means that there are far greater levels of pheomelanine than of eumelanine in a certain person. Someone with bright orangy red hair will typically be white-blonde on the Eumelanine level and have red-hair and the Eumelanine level, in many cases with two copies of the gene.

People with high levels of Eumelanine and low levels of Pheomelanine will be a dark brunette; people with high levels of Pheomelanine and low levels of Eumelanine will be redheads; people with low levels of both Pheomelanine and Eumelanine will be blonde; and people with high levels of both Pheomelanine and Eumelanine will be auburn.

Certainly, many more people are carriers of the gene; and strangely enough it shines through typically giving hair a bit of a "reddish tinge". If you're auburn of any description then you are at least a carrier (dominant/recessive pair) - here it is unimportant of whether it is just a reddish tinge on top of dark-brown hair or light-brown hair with an obvious red hint: dominant copies of Eumelanine "overshadow" Pheomelanine --- which is why it is actually more likely that two carrier parent organisms who appear to be fully dark-brown will have a redhead child than two light-blonde parents - If they were carriers, they'd almost certainly have strawberry blonde hair themselves (as this is a level where it overshadows the base colour). Many "bright orangey" redheads have white-blonde body hair as well.

This is quite curious, as I only have a reddish tinge to middle/dark brown hair (my mother had nothing dominant to pass on - the few ash-blonde hairs in between just make it look darker in bad light), but obviously dominant/recessive pairs both on the genes responsible for determining the levels of Eumelanine and Pheomelanine. This means if I had children with a "full redhead", the chances of a red-haired child would be around 50% (with chances for brown haired and blonde children rather equal at 25% each; homozygously brown-haired children would be impossible; and all children would at least be carriers both of blondism and rufosity) and if I had children with a girl with a reddish tinge the children would be as statistically likely to have red hair as blonde hair - both around 25% even though neither of us were obvious redheads nor obvious blondes.

Back to the general level of the discussion - the reason why "full redheads" have extremely light skin is that Eumelanine is also responsible for colouring of the skin. When they have low levels of that it stands to reason that they have extremely light skin tone.