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Veršandi
Wednesday, May 13th, 2009, 08:50 AM
Source: BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8046746.stm) (5-12-09)
A row has flared over Pope Benedict XVI's membership as a teenager of the Hitler Youth, as he paid a historic visit to Jerusalem's holy sites.

A Vatican spokesman said the pontiff had "never, never, never" belonged - contradicting the Pope's own admission.

The comments came as he visited the Dome of the Rock - the first pontiff to do so - and then the Western Wall, one of Judaism's holiest places.

Pope Benedict then said Mass for thousands in the Josaphat valley.

It is the second day of his five-day visit to Israel and the Palestinian territories.

Vatican spokesman Rev Federico Lombardi said: "The Pope was never in the Hitler Youth, never, never, never."

But his remark appeared to contradict the Pope's own words in his 1997 memoirs, Salt of the Earth.

"As a seminarian, I was registered in the HY [Hitler Youth]," he said then. "As soon as I was out of the seminary, I never went back."


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thoughtcrime
Thursday, May 14th, 2009, 01:19 PM
I don't understand why they deny it, how does it matter? almost anyone was in the HJ...

velvet
Thursday, May 14th, 2009, 01:43 PM
It matters because it would support the jewish claim to remove the pope from his position, he did the evil deed to let return accused rassists (a sub-order; forgot the name) into the lines of the church, he refused to condemn Williams (the south american guy who was thrown out due to his accused rassism and England didnt want to take him back), if Benedict would now be also a member of the HJ it would 'proove' that he is rassist to the bones and should be removed from his position. Which would be the first time in history that a living pope would be replaced.
The background is that Benedict holds some view about seperatism and the role of the church in several countries (namely Africa) that are not exactly politically correct. He had offended the jewish council several times already and refused to say a sorry for it. He critisized some things that are part of the left-wing movement / brainwash machinery and opposes them strongly.
This of course cant be allowed, so there must be made ways available to have him removed from his influential position - where would we end if the pope preaches seperatism and for a national identity instead of the multicultural melting pot? :D

thoughtcrime
Thursday, May 14th, 2009, 04:27 PM
That's actually quite controverse, at least the jews in germany had good relations to leading politicians who were in the HJ as well, for example Helmut Schmidt. As all of you would be aware, it doesn't have anything to do with being a nazi, actually.

I guess I understand what you mean, though. You suggest that zionist organizations use Mr. Ratzingers past to destroy his reputation. Could be true, but why bother? I find both Mr. Ratzinger and Charlotte Knobloch to be more harm- than useful...so I hope this escalates and the relationship gets worse.

Ęğele Wiğercwida
Wednesday, August 4th, 2010, 10:16 PM
Of course he was...all lads of his age were in the Hitler Jugend. What's the big deal? Are we to condemn an entire generation of Germans for how the rest of the world now perceives what was once the German boy scouts?

Strangely enough, if you look into his encyclicals then you will see a good deal of National Socialist thinking, which can only be a good thing.:)

Florian Geyer
Wednesday, August 4th, 2010, 10:32 PM
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/a2a/27c/a2a27c7e-f15f-415e-95b9-83239d71125a

Hitler Jugend membership was (almost) compulsory from 1936 onwards following a very vague decree published in the Reichsgesetzblatt on December 3. Many occupations required evidence of HJ membership. Compulsion was applied three years later for upper age groups only. Pope Benedict has nothing to fear from membership of a compulsory youth organisation so I can't understand the need to rewrite his history. Jewish power and influence surely can't extend into the Catholic Church can it? I know it's tentacles reach in most of Western Society but surely the Vatican City is immune.


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Balders gate
Thursday, August 5th, 2010, 12:54 AM
So what if the current pope was a hitler youth or not. He lived in Germany in the 1930's as a boy naturally he would be. President Obama has communist friends, and left wing terrorists were his friends also. How come the media don't make a big deal out of that. Why bother the older gentleman because he was in the hitler youth.

GroeneWolf
Thursday, August 5th, 2010, 04:46 AM
Of course the reason why the media is bringing this up every now and then is because such things are mainly brought up to damage the reputation of a person. Note, for some kind of reason they not think it is as relevant if someone was a member of some kind of far-left terror group, unless said person is no longer confirming to left-wing policies.

The case here is a pope that is viewed as traditional and orthodox minded. And that is not to likening of certain groups.

Ward
Thursday, August 5th, 2010, 05:12 AM
Jewish power and influence surely can't extend into the Catholic Church can it? I know it's tentacles reach in most of Western Society but surely the Vatican City is immune.

According to some traditionalist Catholics, the Vatican has been subordinate to Jewish power since the conclusion of the Second Vatican Council in 1965. Mel Gibson's father, Hutton Gibson, claims the council was "a Masonic plot backed by the Jews." (http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general633.html)

Whatever the case, it's certainly getting pretty difficult to defend the Catholic Church these days.

Ediruc
Friday, August 6th, 2010, 04:24 AM
...he visited the Dome of the Rock - the first pontiff to do so - ...

This concerns me more.

Ęğele Wiğercwida
Friday, August 6th, 2010, 08:28 AM
According to some traditionalist Catholics, the Vatican has been subordinate to Jewish power since the conclusion of the Second Vatican Council in 1965. Mel Gibson's father, Hutton Gibson, claims the council was "a Masonic plot backed by the Jews." (http://www.rickross.com/reference/general/general633.html)

Whatever the case, it's certainly getting pretty difficult to defend the Catholic Church these days.

Too right. Masonic principles are quite apparent in the Novus Ordo Church. Since Vatican II the church has become a warped shadow of what she used to be.

It is easy to just disengage and adopt a sedevacantist point of view. However I don't think it's that simple. The Church is obviously still a threat to her enemies- that's why we see the media constantly trying to defame her.

Sometimes I look at the Church of today and dispair, at other times I look at the efforts of people like Pope Benedict and feel hopeful. The Church provides a culture which is radically different to that of the multicultural globalist mess. Slowly but surely we are re-building our defences, and the globalist media will do everything to slander the Church.

That is why a man, who was a young German citizen in yon 40's, being a member of the Hitler Jugend is suddenly news. There are millions of people who were in the same situation as him. They are not ostracised for the legalities of the time because they are not leading Catholic figures.

CharlesMartel
Tuesday, August 10th, 2010, 04:40 PM
All Germans were coerced into supporting the Nazi State. That shouldn't be held against Pope Benedict. The point is he wasn't a Nazi, at heart, and he didn't commit any atrocities.