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hawklutz
Tuesday, April 7th, 2009, 08:22 AM
Galizien was a part of Austria for almost 150 years. Do you think it left any traces in the mentality of people living here now? It was also a place of settlement of many Germanic tribes: Goths, Vandals, Gepids, Bastarnae. Do you think they left any genetic imprints in this land as well? What is the degree of this influence?

Anfang
Tuesday, April 7th, 2009, 05:55 PM
Galizien was a part of Austria for almost 150 years. Do you think it left any traces in the mentality of people living here now? It was also a place of settlement of many Germanic tribes: Goths, Vandals, Gepids, Bastarnae. Do you think they left any genetic imprints in this land as well? What is the degree of this influence?


Well, the National Socialists at least, felt confident enough in the Galizians, that they were deemed worthy for Umvolk, if that means anything. But that applies of to the non Slavic Galizians.

There indeed is a lot of German blood in the Galizians.

TheGreatest
Friday, April 10th, 2009, 03:59 PM
Galizien was a part of Austria for almost 150 years. Do you think it left any traces in the mentality of people living here now? It was also a place of settlement of many Germanic tribes: Goths, Vandals, Gepids, Bastarnae. Do you think they left any genetic imprints in this land as well? What is the degree of this influence?

http://axis.ssgalicia.info/ (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Faxis.ssg alicia.info%2F)

I think you might enjoy that site. The Galizien for the most part were NOT Pan-Slavs and most were oriented towards the Germans (much like were the Hungarians, Slovaks and Croats).

Most of the Galizien were considered to be Goralenfolk (part of the Greater-Germanic subrace) and would had been allowed to stay in Ruthenia.


Generally, though, the same could be said about most of the West Slavs and Balts. Essentially, providing you didn't throw a tantrum and bit a German police officer in the hand, you were allowed to stay.
Most of the Slavs that were to be deported (or ''disappeared'') were primarily Russians and Poles. But even then you had exceptions being granted (i.e. Russians of ''Rurik stock") and Poles were allowed to sign documents stating their ancestors were German (Albert Forster got into trouble for that one).


It goes back to the original point that German expansionism to the east was for living space and economic development. Living space doesn't necessary translate into shooting everyone but room for growth and overall economic development.
People think that deportion to the Urals was a death sentence but that wasn't the case. That would had been the unnecessary deaths of tens of millions. Rather the intention of deporting the Slavs, was to use them, as pioneer farmers and miners, in order to civilize and develop the Urals and Siberia (which to this day is still sparsely populated and even less so than the Canadian Prairies and the American Mid-West).

It would had been a golden age. Germany would had secured herself a good consumer market in the conquered territories. Industrial goods heading east and primary resources coming back in return. Resources would had been developed thanks to the region's stability and technical expertise (which is still not in Russia to this day) and there probably wouldn't be a Turkish problem in Berlin.

Dagna
Tuesday, April 28th, 2009, 01:38 AM
Could someone give an example of tangible Germanic influence in their lifestyle and not some old war stories? Thank you.

TheGreatest
Tuesday, April 28th, 2009, 02:37 AM
Could someone give an example of tangible Germanic influence in their lifestyle and not some old war stories? Thank you.


Not to be mistaken with the Jewish population of Lemberg, Germans did make up 5-10% of the population in the area. There are numerous websites which goes into detail about the Galizien deutsch. Most of them, however, had migrated to North America (especially in the 1880's) or were forced into German proper, after WW2.


For the remainder of the population... the National Socialists were just playing politics. Stuff like the ''Goralenvolk" was all about divide and conquer. Much like the British had done in India, proclaiming some Indians to be more aryan than others. In the German case it was getting the groups such as Kashubins (slavic minority in Eastern Prussia), and Poles (renaming them as ''Gorals") on their side.

There wasn't necessarily any Germanic influence though, other than perhaps loanwords gained from Prussian and Austrian times. It was all about politics. Much like how Hitler said he was going to reduce Czech into a lesser German dialect in 50 years. The National Socialists were more concerned about economics (lebensraum) and less so about the actual Germans (Hitler himself had wanted to ally with Pilsudski. Just goes to show what Hitler's true motivations were).