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Dagna
Friday, March 13th, 2009, 03:14 PM
Offensive Runes? (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwildhunt .org%2Fblog%2F2007%2F11%2Foffensive-runes.html)

Word has been spreading like wildfire through Heathen/Asatru Internet communities that the MySpace (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mysp ace.com%2F) social networking site is now considering the display of runic symbols to be offensive (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.mys pace.com%2Findex.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dblog .view%26friendID%3D250834248%26blogID%3D 325063707%26Mytoken%3D0E6E6017-9485-42DC-BF853E5E0712BA7916524668) and against the company’s terms of service. (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mysp ace.com%2Findex.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Dmisc. terms)
“So this image (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fa68.ac-images.myspacecdn.com%2Fimages01%2F120%2 Fm_2e1b8cab36402e012d7cd3d03cf54ebb.gif) is offensive, according to myspace. So its ok to have pornographic images and default pics of guys holding guns and masks? Please feel free to use this image in protest of these ridiculous regulations and REPOST so all can see this!!! Keep messaging myspace also; to show them we are still fighting the religion option…”


http://www.wildhunt.org/uploaded_images/runes_chart-755804.gif
Old English Futhorc runes.

From what I have been able to figure out, the outcry started when a MySpace petition profile (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mysp ace.com%2Fheathenpaganpetition) (now switched to a closed/private profile) to expand the religious labels for Pagan MySpacers beyond “Wiccan” or “Other” had its profile image removed by administrators due to its “offensive” nature. Since then there have been claims (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpagannat ion.com%2Fubbthreads.php%3Fubb%3Dshowfla t%26Number%3D73117) that other Heathen/Asatru profiles also had their runic symbols taken down. “Recent whispers through out the Myspace Asatruar community, as of today, have several pictures removed from peoples profile where upon Runic symbols are present. Apparently it is now against the TOS here to use Runes to decorate the pages. I do rather suspect that this is due to those that use our symbols for hate agendas. With that said perhaps Myspace TOS staff need to educated themselves instead of pilfering intolerance based on ignorance!”
It is unclear at this point if this was a move solely on the part of MySpace administrators, or a response to individual user complaints (any MySpace user can report “offensive” content with the click of a button). The petition site has put its offending image back up (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mysp ace.com%2Fheathenpaganpetition) (though, as I mentioned before, the page is now listed as “private”), and it remains to be seen if this was an isolated incident or if MySpace is now conflating the use of runes by some racist groups (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adl. org%2Fhate_symbols%2FPagan_graphics.asp) with the more benign uses by the larger Asatru/Heathen community. We will have to wait and see what develops in the near future.

http://wildhunt.org/blog/2007/11/offensive-runes.html (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwildhunt .org%2Fblog%2F2007%2F11%2Foffensive-runes.html)

TheGreatest
Friday, March 13th, 2009, 03:17 PM
Personally I feel more offended whenever I see Chinese or Japanese script. Especially when it's a Caucasian who is sporting the symbol on his forearm and can't even read it.

http://adecentlife.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/rupe_rupe.jpg
Owner of Fox Company Interactive - which owns Myspace.

Need I say more? Although the creators of Myspace were American (English, German and Scandinavian), they've long ago sold it off to Capitalists and Jews.

rainman
Tuesday, March 17th, 2009, 01:52 AM
The swastika is actually a runic symbol of sorts. Asatru at its core is about family and folk which is offensive to the powers that be. Unless you are non-white you can't celebrate your heritage or family. In fact just being alive and breathing and a white male is borderline offensive unless you race mix and abandon your culture.

I really never heard of this with myspace though. Hate groups don't typically use runes other than maybe a swastika. But I know a lot of Asatruar on myspace who believe in preserving their race and protecting their family.

Old Winter
Tuesday, March 17th, 2009, 03:11 AM
03 nov 2007

umm, isn't this a bit old ?

And why do i see a black girl there ? really, i bet even the ''anti-racists'' here agree that Asatru is a ethnic religion.

TheGreatest
Thursday, March 19th, 2009, 06:20 PM
03 nov 2007

umm, isn't this a bit old ?

And why do i see a black girl there ? really, i bet even the ''anti-racists'' here agree that Asatru is a ethnic religion.

Who gives a hoot? The Heathen movement isn't racial at all. At least half of the people in the Asatru movement were hippies back in the 1970's. Chances are my old Religious Professor (who was a Buddhist last I known) is probably part of that :D

velvet
Saturday, March 21st, 2009, 05:12 PM
In Germany some runes are prohibited 'in certain contexts'. The Odal rune, the 'wolfsangel' (with the stroke), and the upside down version of the one in second row, second from right in the first post's image.

The pc terror has gone so far meanwhile, that the context doesnt matter anymore, also wearing a Thor's hammer meanwhile can bring you into trouble. Heathen symbols in general are not wanted anymore...

Old Winter
Saturday, March 21st, 2009, 06:36 PM
Who gives a hoot? The Heathen movement isn't racial at all. At least half of the people in the Asatru movement were hippies back in the 1970's. Chances are my old Religious Professor (who was a Buddhist last I known) is probably part of that :D

Yes it is, it is a ethnic religion, what’s next, Norway full of negro's mixing with the white woman and the offspring calling themselves Vikings ?

forkbeard
Saturday, March 21st, 2009, 10:23 PM
European laws on human rights and freedom of religion guarantee freedom of religious belief. It just takes someone brave and bothered enough to take the case through the legal system. You are bound to succeed and be compensated generously. The downside is just that it would take several years of appeals etc. Anyone wishing to follow the legal challenge would be doing a great service to Germanic culture.

velvet
Friday, March 27th, 2009, 02:45 AM
When you think in germany would something like 'freedom of religion' exist, than you're wrong. Our basic law (what a weak ersatz for a constitution) only talks about religious organisations (churches), not about freedom of religion as such. A common misunderstanding.
Heathenism is not an accredited religion, thus our symbols, the runes, are not protected by the law.

forkbeard
Friday, March 27th, 2009, 10:43 AM
Here is an article to do with religious freedom in Europe.
http://www.religiousfreedom.com/conference/Germany/briard.htm
There has been a test case in the British Royal Navy where a serving officer is a registered "Satanist" (presumably he could pull the ships plug out at any moment to curry favour with the Devil- but his freedom of Religion is protected.)
It would be interesting to see if "Hitler worship" in Germany would be similarly protected and able to be proselytised. European law takes precedence over National Law in these cases.

velvet
Friday, March 27th, 2009, 06:09 PM
Yeah, this way it was meant to be, but the truth is, that germany converts only selected european laws to national law, our politicians chose and reject what they want.
Our democracy was removed in 1993, when they removed article 137 from our basic law, which said we as folk should create a real constitution. In fact, Germany is the third reich with a new government, our basic law can be outruled by the government (they did already many times), our Federal Constitutional Court has no executive powers to force a decision onto our government, and european law applies when the dictators think it serves their personal wantings, if not, they just reject it. That is the truth in Germany.

They call it democracy and a part of Europe, the truth just is that this is not true. In Germany, european law does not automatically apply, and freedom of religion as said is only for accredited churches in our basic law, and as said, they just choose things on their personal taste, not as given by EU. In fact, freedom of religion does not exist in germany, and I'm pretty sure worshipping of Hitler would not be allowed, and the same goes for heathendom, even if that means breaking european law.
But it's easy to do so, when you can freely choose if you apply something to the BRD as defined by basic law, or if you just can say this is third reich with all its applying laws (of which very lot is still in use anyway) and just reject it. Of course you'll never hear that beeing said in public, the court's decision from 1973, that pointed out that germany actually is the third reich, is not available in german law sources and it is not teached amongst lawyers or judges. It is one of the many things that fall under 'prohibited knowledge', and believe me that there is LOTS of it despite the article in BL saying that censorship is not allowed and that freedom of speech/opinion is protected. It is not.

forkbeard
Friday, March 27th, 2009, 11:28 PM
Well, Religions have been oppressed by states before. When they are underground and persecuted they tend to grow and re-emerge at some point, ultimately to get revenge on their oppressor.

velvet
Saturday, March 28th, 2009, 12:31 AM
Well, Religions have been oppressed by states before. When they are underground and persecuted they tend to grow and re-emerge at some point, ultimately to get revenge on their oppressor.

Let's hope for it ;)

ChaosLord
Tuesday, March 31st, 2009, 04:02 AM
In Germany some runes are prohibited 'in certain contexts'. The Odal rune, the 'wolfsangel' (with the stroke), and the upside down version of the one in second row, second from right in the first post's image.

The pc terror has gone so far meanwhile, that the context doesnt matter anymore, also wearing a Thor's hammer meanwhile can bring you into trouble. Heathen symbols in general are not wanted anymore...

The only reason they are viewed negatively is because PC special interests associate pagan symbols with nazism and hate-mongering. I usually wear my Mjollnir pendant around work at times and I have had people question its importance, meaning, and significance. When I tell them its meaning they usually tend to shrug or just act puzzled. I don't think that the "average" person knows much about the history of pagan symbols and their meanings beyond that of what they see on TV or read in newspapers.