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burnitdown
Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 09:48 PM
Underneath all of humanity's problems, there's a religious assumption that human individuals should be able to make any decision they want and not suffer the consequences of nature, or smarter people critiquing them. This assumption is ignorance on the level of "flat earth" ideologies.

Are humanists the new flat earthers? (http://www.amerika.org/2009/globalism/are-humanists-the-new-flat-earthers/)

I'd love to see more discussion of this in the world at large. It's the fundamental philosophical angle of our struggle: should the individual be empowered to make possibly stupid choices, or should we pay attention to nature and constrain the individual as a result?

Ormus
Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 10:15 PM
I believe we are experiencing what would be called "natural consequences", as the Western World at large has accepted this or similar foolish ideoligies that depend on the State while being "independent" to go do stupid things while losing true independence or rights.

Such as how to bring up ones children or own arms in many countries, or heck how you think of other people.

Ragnar Lodbrok
Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 10:25 PM
I believe we are experiencing what would be called "natural consequences", as the Western World at large has accepted this or similar foolish ideoligies that depend on the State while being "independent" to go do stupid things while losing true independence or rights.

Such as how to bring up ones children or own arms in many countries, or heck how you think of other people.

god I know exactly what your talking about :thumbup

Hauke Haien
Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 10:59 PM
I am of the opinion that liberalism and individualism have very little to do with celebrating the individual, or freedom for that matter; instead, they are simply modes of organisation that tend to unfold rather disastrous results, whether they are mitigated by secondary means or not.

I have often read the argument that our ancestors valued independently strong individuals, so they must obviously have loved a social order where everyone has the free choice to do destructive, selfish or plain stupid things and if our folk ends its life as a result, then we have to respect that choice as an eternal moral right.

The notion of a superordinate collective that survives the individual no longer exists. We are all just rainbow-coloured butterflies and we exist as a people only in the sense of an aggregate of individuals with their individualised interests. These are compiled and the result is the wisely chosen direction of our state and the supposed purpose of our lifes.

Look around and see where exactly this philosophy of mediocrity has brought us. It is an exercise in pointlessness and futility and hollow freedom.

rainman
Friday, March 20th, 2009, 03:49 AM
Great point I'll have to edit that into the book. Multiculturalism is a flat earth theory that contradicts observed reality and logical consequences. The idea of individual liberty unrestrained by social responsibility and tradition is the same way. I believe strongly in liberty and freedom, but not the freedom to make personal decisions that are unquestionably destructive to the whole.

We also have a divorcing of personal consequence. If you make bad decisions in your life then liberals claim "it wasn't your fault" and throw welfare checks your way. Even the once common right of a parent to disown their own child for reason of incompetence has been lost with the concept that everyone is entitled to equal value. This relates to a little essay I wrote about the mindset of modern society. Modern society believes that we automatically deserve everything just for existing. We deserve life and wealth as well as happiness just for being born. We have to earn nothing. Yet in reality society must earn it. It is a self destructive ideology not to hold people personally responsible. At least we can agree that the murderer or rapist perhaps does not deserve to live a happy life of entitlement, freedom and wealth, but what about the person who is too lazy to work, or too stupid? What about people who make decisions that harm the collective of society? Surely today we are a society of social parasites.

CordeliaforLear
Saturday, March 21st, 2009, 02:06 AM
The truth is that Medieval Man never viewed the earth was flat; this was simply a slander of the Renaissance bourgeoisie to insult the supremacy of the crown.

For the same reason multiculturalism makes no sense to us and it appears 'illogical' yet it is perfectly logical in its anti-logic, be it that group survival strategy expansion at the expense of other out-groups is best rendered useful when its true purpose and nature is properly disguised as universal altruism therefore rendering the aggressor as the 'victim' and vise versa.