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Bärin
Saturday, March 7th, 2009, 08:28 PM
Stormfront has an opposition forum where trolls and antis can post. It's a good exercise to debate and test our arguments against multiculturalism, and it keeps them away from the rest of the forum, so we can be among our own only. How about making one here on Skadi to restrict the antis and trolls?

Kreis AnnA
Saturday, March 7th, 2009, 09:05 PM
I voted "No." Multiculturalist forums are always attacking German peoples. My mother was said to have pig flesh by a moderator when I posted her picture on his forum. I received the exact same racism that was ascribed to Germanocentrists. Ultimately, I came to this forum because of it. To me, they already have their chance to rave on and on. Although, I do understand a certain desire to put some boots on and stomp them:D

Matthieu Borg
Saturday, March 7th, 2009, 10:04 PM
I think it is not necessary here, the forum would go low-brow with so many "war threads".

Bärin
Saturday, March 7th, 2009, 10:08 PM
Well, it does already. Look at threads about interracial relationships, Slavic and Germanic or homosexuality for example. It's beyond me how nationalists can support or excuse such degeneration. The forum is a forum "for people of Germanic heritage" but some are open to multiculturalism and mixing with non-Germanics. Instead of having these argument wars all over the forum, they would be much suited for an anti section.

Nachtengel
Saturday, March 7th, 2009, 11:20 PM
Good points. I don't like trolls/antis at all, but I think it could stimulate some discussion and make brain cells work more. Exclusivity is a good thing but we risk ending up agreeing on everything. Locking them in that space would preserve the exclusivity/isolation. How about making access voluntary? People who don't want to be exposed should be able to ignore it (like members can be ignored, their posts are gone).

Hauke Haien
Saturday, March 7th, 2009, 11:33 PM
People with an agenda to abolish Germanics will be banned.

People of Germanic heritage who formulate their opinions based on the assumption that they contribute to Germanic preservation, continuity etc. are allowed to voice these opinions even if they are contested by others. We then call that a discussion, not "opposition".

CrimWheat
Saturday, March 7th, 2009, 11:57 PM
Yes, of course it's a good idea. Agreement never generates interesting discussion. People who don't want to see trolls can just ignore the subforum, while the rest (the majority, judging by the popularity of controversial threads) can have some fun.

Bärin
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 12:12 AM
People with an agenda to abolish Germanics will be banned.

People of Germanic heritage who formulate their opinions based on the assumption that they contribute to Germanic preservation, continuity etc. are allowed to voice these opinions even if they are contested by others. We then call that a discussion, not "opposition".
I know what the status quo is, although I categorize some people who have free reign to post here currently as antis because mixing with aliens is anything BUT preservation. I'm proposing to make some changes. :D

Besides it would inject some life back into Skadi. It has been very dead (quiet) lately.

Oswiu
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 03:08 AM
Besides it would inject some life back into Skadi. It has been very dead (quiet) lately.


The forum is a forum "for people of Germanic heritage" but some are open to multiculturalism and mixing with non-Germanics. Instead of having these argument wars all over the forum, they would be much suited for an anti section.


Locking them in that space would preserve the exclusivity/isolation.

Oh dear. :( The forum's quiet, so we need to shove regular posters into an anti section so we can be even more Exclusive ... and Quiet. :| Yous two need to get over the fact that Germanic is bigger than German, and if you want to hear what nonGerman Germanics think about things, you're going to come across a few things you might not like. I sometimes wonder why you want to hear what Brits and so on think at all. Enjoy the exclusive, deathly quiet forum you want, by all means, but set it up yourself, and give it a different name from Skadi.

Mac Seafraidh
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 03:50 AM
No, I extremely dislike opposition forums. The opposition closes us out, so why should trolls and or antis be allowed on this turf?

Loddfafner
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 03:55 AM
Here is a better idea: how about a reservation, or maybe an echo-chamber, where people can admire each other's purity. They can give each other impressive titles such as "Hastus Primus" or "Grand Dragoness".

Bärin
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 10:38 AM
Oh dear. :( The forum's quiet, so we need to shove regular posters into an anti section so we can be even more Exclusive ... and Quiet. :|
If the regulars support things which are hindering Germanic preservation, then yes. I came to this forum to be among my own, among Germanic nationalists/preservationists. I didn't come here to be among Slavophiles, Hinduphiles, Judeophiles, Islamophiles and miscegenators. There are enough in Berlin and I'm near the border with Slavia. This should be all confined. If I want to debate with them, to know where to go. And when I don't want, I and other Germanic nationalists not to be forced to read some anti-Germanic views in every thread we click on.


Yous two need to get over the fact that Germanic is bigger than German, and if you want to hear what nonGerman Germanics think about things, you're going to come across a few things you might not like. I sometimes wonder why you want to hear what Brits and so on think at all.
I like to hear different Germanic perspectives. There are Brits on this site with very sane views. :thumbsup But not the supporters of non-Germanics like BeornWulfWer, Fortis and you.


Enjoy the exclusive, deathly quiet forum you want, by all means, but set it up yourself, and give it a different name from Skadi.
I'm a mother, I don't have time to make my own forum. I like this one thanks, I'm just offering a suggestion to improve it. Why do people get so defensive, aggressive and anal about it?

Horagalles
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 11:31 AM
I know what the status quo is, although I categorize some people who have free reign to post here currently as antis because mixing with aliens is anything BUT preservation. I'm proposing to make some changes. :D

Besides it would inject some life back into Skadi. It has been very dead (quiet) lately..... Stormfront has that 'opposing views' section, because they getting quite some influx of Antis. So they actually channelized that influx by banning them from posting in the general sections, but allowing them their own place to voice their opinion. This gives us also the opportunity to debate these clowns in an environment that isn't controlled by politically correct freaks. In the past we had the problem here that Antis tried to derail Holocaust-debating threads.

I am in favor of such a section.

Nachtengel
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 11:59 AM
Here is a better idea: how about a reservation, or maybe an echo-chamber, where people can admire each other's purity. They can give each other impressive titles such as "Hastus Primus" or "Grand Dragoness".

Maybe politically correct people should stop coming here if the idea of purity offends them so much.

Bärin
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 04:44 PM
Another advantage of an opposition section:

I heard some of the SF moderators were originally antis. Normally like Hauke Haien said if someone supports multiculturalism he get banned but if he gets restricted to the opposition section he might change his mind after some months and join our ranks. I think guests (unregistered viewers) should be allowed to post there too, maybe they have some questions about Germanic nationalism they want answered.

Hauke Haien
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 04:56 PM
The undecided ("Am I Germanic? Do I want to regain my heritage and remain Germanic?") can always lurk a few months without registering an account at all or focus on asking question and discussing facts. I do not think keeping a zoo can improve on the straightforward information that is offered here. If activity levels are deemed too low, contributing more such information and discussion is always an option and new members can be invited for the same purpose.

Hyperboreanar
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 04:58 PM
Stormfront has an opposition forum where trolls and antis can post. It's a good exercise to debate and test our arguments against multiculturalism, and it keeps them away from the rest of the forum, so we can be among our own only. How about making one here on Skadi to restrict the antis and trolls?

Most people in Stormfront's opposition forum are not in fact trolls or antis.

I was put in Opposing Views before i was banned on Stormfront, yet i never trolled and i am not an anti.

They put people in there who have basically any ''out the norm'' beliefs on history (especially in relation to the Third Reich) and religion.

SF are not white nationalists, they are fascists. They only want white neo-nazi their website.

If you oppose Nazism on SF you get basically deleted.

Neo-Nazism has nothing to do with White Nationalism but the idiots on Stormfront don't get it and never will.

Bärin
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 05:09 PM
Most people in Stormfront's opposition forum are not in fact trolls or antis.

I was put in Opposing Views before i was banned on Stormfront, yet i never trolled and i am not an anti.

They put people in there who have basically any ''out the norm'' beliefs on history (especially in relation to the Third Reich) and religion.

SF are not white nationalists, they are fascists. They only want white neo-nazi their website.

If you oppose Nazism on SF you get basically deleted.

Neo-Nazism has nothing to do with White Nationalism but the idiots on Stormfront don't get it and never will.
I'm not suggesting something like that though. I'm a national communist so I don't think only fascist is acceptable. It's about support of things which are against preservation like miscegenation and multiculturalism. I don't care what the ideology is. Some people here dislike the Thrid Reich and there are some liberals too but they're still against these degenerations. Skadi is more relaxed than SF about ideologies. So it should be a matter of views, not what kind of ideology is in the profiles. :)

Ossi
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 09:35 PM
Yous two need to get over the fact that Germanic is bigger than German, and if you want to hear what nonGerman Germanics think about things, you're going to come across a few things you might not like.
And you need to get over the fact that mixing with Russians is in no way Germanic preservation whatever definition you give to the words.

There are Germans who speak nonsense too. They said nothing about making the forum exclusive to Germans. It's about quarantining the members who don't respect Germanic preservation and worship aliens.

Thusnelda
Sunday, March 8th, 2009, 11:36 PM
Honestly, I don´t think it´d make much sense. :| There´re so many other boards where we - as preservationists - have to cope with antis and multiculturalists, I wonder why we need to bring them even over here? I think of Skadi as some kind of a resort, a sanctuary, far away from the omnipresent multiculturalists, anti-Germanics and so on. And I love to relax among and discuss with people of my own kin. :) To allow antis here would pollute the atmosphere from my point of view. If I want to discuss with people like that I can confront them in their boards and seek controvery there everytime.

Personally spoken, Skadi should remain an "anti Germanic" free zone. Here I seek shelter, not confrontation.

Sigurd
Monday, March 9th, 2009, 12:42 AM
If people just want to learn and read --- that's why the forum is viewable to the public. If they have any questions of their own they are welcome to join up and ask them anyhow.

If they are fence-sitters or unsure of what our point is then they are welcome to ask about it and discuss. If they can be persuaded by our arguments so that they cease to sit on the fence then well ... all is fine anyhow.

If they register as complete Antis and Pro-Multiculturalists and seek to argue that our viewpoint is racist and are allowed to --- then I don't see them "changing sides" any time soon. If however we say: "We encourage questions but anti-Germanicism is not desired" then they will familiarise themselves with our arguments and take it or leave it anyhow.

Other than that, beyond the occasional fence-sitter who will be "converted" anyhow --- I enjoy posting here because we can discuss tactics, ideologies, ideas, culture etc. without people constantly butting in to oppose our views-at-large (rather than the opposing views we oft have in detail). I have that 24/7 in my real life, perhaps it is better to keep Skadi pro-Germanic-only. :thumbup

Finally I believe such a sub-forum would not be good for the atmosphere of the forum, nor for its presentation. We seek to present ourselves positively so the type of "bashing" I see elsewhere (Stormfront, Politikforum etc.) one can gladly do without. :)

Just my two cents.

Blood_Axis
Monday, March 9th, 2009, 10:24 AM
Didn't pre-Althing Skadi use to have exactly that? (or was it the Althing?)

"Opposition/undecided" subforum? It's a distant memory but I recall some intriguing discussions had taken place there. :)

Bärin
Monday, March 9th, 2009, 01:59 PM
Honestly, I don´t think it´d make much sense. :| There´re so many other boards where we - as preservationists - have to cope with antis and multiculturalists, I wonder why we need to bring them even over here? I think of Skadi as some kind of a resort, a sanctuary, far away from the omnipresent multiculturalists, anti-Germanics and so on. And I love to relax among and discuss with people of my own kin. :) To allow antis here would pollute the atmosphere from my point of view. If I want to discuss with people like that I can confront them in their boards and seek controvery there everytime.

Personally spoken, Skadi should remain an "anti Germanic" free zone. Here I seek shelter, not confrontation.
They are already here and when I have to read statements like mixing with Slavs and Meds is ok, read posts like this one (http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=926329&postcount=1), this one (http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=830569&postcount=10), or this one (http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=854858&postcount=55), I feel the atmosphere is polluted. Is it even a question to you, Valkyrie, as a Germanic preservationist, whether Germanics should mix with Slavs or Mediterraneans? The answer should be clear if you've your heart in the right place: NO. It shouldn't even be debated on a Germanic forum, and least of all interracial relationships! Do you call it Germanic preservation when a person marries a Russian, a Pole or a Czech? If the answer is no, then why are people who condone such relationships allowed on a forum for Germanic preservationists? So I think all of this should quarantined into a single section, so it doesn't spread all over the forum.

Sorry Valkyrie but Skadi is not yet an "anti Germanic free zone" and it will never be, because the non-Germanics and anti-Germanics always manage to weasel their way and infiltrate in Germanic nationalist groups. So the least that could be done is to restrict these debates to a single section and limit the posting of anti-Germanics there.

Berrocscir
Monday, March 9th, 2009, 02:51 PM
I'm all for it. We should have the courage of our convictions. My views changed over time, due in no small part to reading arguments and articles on the the internet. Who knows we may get some antis converting to our world view/s. There is a lot of misinformation/misinterpretation out there pushed by the liberals/left. If they come on here and engage they might go native.
I was persuaded, others might be too.

flemish
Monday, March 9th, 2009, 03:45 PM
I see Skadi as a safe space for Germanic preservationist who may or may not have politically correct views to express themselves without being attacked; called racists, xenophobes, etc.

Bärin
Monday, March 9th, 2009, 03:48 PM
I see Skadi as a safe space for Germanic preservationist who may or may not have politically correct views to express themselves without being attacked; called racists, xenophobes, etc.
But that's not everyone's experience. I have been attacked, insulted, called names and all, because of my pro-Germanic views, by people with pan-European, no-racist or anti-racist ideologies. What's wrong with quarantining them? If members don't want to be called racist they just don't go to that section and everybody's happy.

Thusnelda
Monday, March 9th, 2009, 07:21 PM
They are already here and when I have to read statements like mixing with Slavs and Meds is ok, read posts like this one (http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=926329&postcount=1), this one (http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=830569&postcount=10), or this one (http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=854858&postcount=55), I feel the atmosphere is polluted.
You know that I don´t advocate such opinions but there is a difference between allowing pure multiculturalists and Anti-Germanics, giving them even their own sub-forum ("opposition views"), and coping with such unique postings you´ve mentioned. There´re people here who have some views I don´t like or support from a Germanic viewpoint, but they´ve even more views I agree with! In contrast, why should we allow people with complete opposite viewpoints? It´s like opening Pandora´s box.

If you dislike the views you´ve mentioned and don´t want to see them here, then why should we open the gates for far worse people? :|

Is it even a question to you, Valkyrie, as a Germanic preservationist, whether Germanics should mix with Slavs or Mediterraneans? The answer should be clear if you've your heart in the right place: NO.
My answer is "No" and it´s no secret. :)

It shouldn't even be debated on a Germanic forum, and least of all interracial relationships!
I think there´s a difference between discussing things and supporting things. I´m against restricting the topics we´re able to discuss here. If one wants to discuss interracial relationships he or she can do so, but he should expect my strong disagreement and the disagreement of the vast majority here. And if this person seems to support more things who are in opposition to our board goals he or she will receive sanctions, up to a permanent ban.

Nachtengel
Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 06:07 AM
I think there´s a difference between discussing things and supporting things. I´m against restricting the topics we´re able to discuss here. If one wants to discuss interracial relationships he or she can do so, but he should expect my strong disagreement and the disagreement of the vast majority here. And if this person seems to support more things who are in opposition to our board goals he or she will receive sanctions, up to a permanent ban.
But what is there to debate about interracial relationships on a racialist forum? I understand debating whether it's ok to have interracial friendship, but approving of interracial relationships is a no-no for any racialist. There is no middle way, there is no bargaining, who condones it is not a racialist. What's next, will the topics of debate be whether native women should be allowed to be raped by immigrants? That's what will happen if you don't apply some restriction. Condoning interracial relationships is as grave and as offensive. :|

Vandal Lord
Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 07:58 AM
I am not totally against having an opposition sub forum but Skadi doesn't seem active enough at the moment for a opposition sub forum to get much use. Skadi is also already blocked from posters in Non Germanic Countries, this eliminates a bunch of potential trolls and those against Germanic Preservation from registering at this site in the first place. Most of the people who register here at Skadi are of Germanic Ancestry and have a genuine interest in Germanic Preservation. So again, I am not sure an Opposition/Undecided sub forum would be very active.

rainman
Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 08:04 AM
I am the king of trolls! What non-Germanic countries? Most countries have a heavy Germanic element (like Brazil or Mexico). They are just a minority. I don't know where you can go where there aren't some Germanics besides China or maybe central Africa.

Vandal Lord
Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 08:18 AM
I am the king of trolls! What non-Germanic countries? Most countries have a heavy Germanic element (like Brazil or Mexico). They are just a minority. I don't know where you can go where there aren't some Germanics besides China or maybe central Africa.

You have a point about sizable number of Germanics found in countries like Mexico and Brazil for example but current site policy only allow access to the Germanic Speaking Countries of Europe and the U.S. Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.

Sigurd
Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 03:17 PM
I am the king of trolls! What non-Germanic countries? Most countries have a heavy Germanic element (like Brazil or Mexico). They are just a minority. I don't know where you can go where there aren't some Germanics besides China or maybe central Africa.

They can use the Contact Us form and make a case for membership or can have an existing member vouch for their authenticity. :)

Thusnelda
Tuesday, March 10th, 2009, 05:45 PM
But what is there to debate about interracial relationships on a racialist forum? I understand debating whether it's ok to have interracial friendship, but approving of interracial relationships is a no-no for any racialist.
A debate about interracial relationships is not automatically an approvement of interracial relationships. The starter of such a thread could be even an enemy of such miscegenation.

While debating such issues several interesting views come to light and good points are made. I was always against miscegenation, and after reading some threads about it I´ve even more arguments against it! When I was younger I just thought "it´s not correct", but now I´ve far more wisdom about the risks and consequences of miscegenation, thanks to the good input of many users. :) It can be never wrong to broaden one's horizon: I´ve more ammunition to shoot at advocates of interracial relationships. :P

You´re right, there´re and there were some less members who´re intercessors for interracial relationships, but it makes me glad to see that the large majority of our users shares a different view. Yet we can´t forget all other pro-Germanic views and the history of these people in the light of their wrong view on relationships. But sure, there must be a point of "enough is enough". In fact, we´ve already one of the strictest stances regarding miscengenation of all boards who have some kind preservation as a main goal. I like our strict stance so I don´t support the idea of liberalizing our board for all kind of antis and maniacs of political correctness. :|

Ossi
Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 12:00 AM
In the past we had the problem here that Antis tried to derail Holocaust-debating threads.

I am in favor of such a section.
Can we have a trash section and unban Bloem to lock her there? :D

The Nazis Were Not "Aryans" (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=100091)

LAUGHING AT AUSCHWITZ: Leisure Photos of Camp Guards Shock Germans (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=93672)

:D

Papa Koos
Wednesday, March 11th, 2009, 10:49 PM
I like Bären's idea and suggest it be given a 3 month trial run.

Bärin
Thursday, March 12th, 2009, 01:47 PM
We shouldn't be afraid to debate our world views with antis and defend our political positions. Whoever thinks about being seriously involved in activism beyond forum posting should be aware they'll have to face opposition. We have a lot of intellect on this forum and I've no doubts some of our members would crush antis in a debate.

Old Winter
Monday, February 7th, 2011, 12:36 PM
i was thinking about people who wanted a opposing view sub forum here some time ago.

This is my rant that i want to say (a few last political things i want to post here):

At first i was for it but true experience i know it has no use, the problem with a opposing view thread is that you only get people who never learned more then the words nazi and racist, most of them are rich spoiled upper class kids who hate the middle and even the lower class, so i say, there is not even a real white opposition (white anti-racists), if there was then one could have a real discussion with them instead of a clown..

Years ago i had allot of experience with those people, when they are done they say to their buddies (hahah! i pissed of another right winger!), even if you are not even pissed or offended and just ask something even normal they keep saying that, its really spoiled kids who want to piss on the lower classes, so i believe that there is not even any opposing view out there.

They keep calling everyone (if they are not using the nazi slur) right winged when in reality the right winged world is 100% the same as the left winged world.

The classes will never be destroyed by the so called ''left winged'' because they are enjoying their rich life to much.

The people who they really HATE the most, and i mean that literally are the ''left winged'', socialists, liberals who are truly anti-capitalist anti-class, and who also live that way in their private life, why ? because the self named left live a right winged capitalist lifestyle, they do not want a real left winged world because that would destroy their ivory golden covered with diamonds towers, one can see it as the dark ages church leaders, condemning everyone to being poor an hungry because everything above that is worshipping satan while at the same time dressing in gold covered clothes and eating themselves fat, that is why i liked the monks who chose to dress poor and live a poor and sober life, they where the biggest danger to the gold plated priests for living how it was preached.

One time i overheard a discussion between a group of self named extreme leftists who where talking about if the things they are ''against'' go away they have nothing to be against anymore, straight out of the horse his mouth.

Do not waste your time on them if you want a discussion or a debate, they are however a problem that must be exposed to the world.

Northern Paladin
Tuesday, February 8th, 2011, 02:25 AM
Don't anti-Germanic preservationists have enough places to preech already? I say NAY

Berrocscir
Sunday, February 20th, 2011, 02:52 PM
What have we to fear? The idiots will soon get bored and the more intelligent may have their views challenged. Also our arguments could make us better ambassadors for Germanic preservation.

Horagalles
Saturday, April 9th, 2011, 05:19 PM
Don't anti-Germanic preservationists have enough places to preech already? I say NAY
They do. We need more places where the stupidity of their arguments can be exposed :D:thumbup. To do this with their active participation is a great idea;).

TXRog
Saturday, April 9th, 2011, 05:40 PM
I for one am most ardently opposed to this idea.

I have only been a member here on the forum for a little over a month and find great comfort and comradeship with my fellow Germanic brothers and sisters, discussing issues that affect our culture, our people and proposed "solutions" to both preserve and promote our people in a positive light around the globe.

I feel that by allowing people onto our forum to "merely regurgitate politically-correct, stereotypical Liberal New World Order propaganda BS" against us would do much to both denigrate the ideals of Skadi Forum and (in my humble opinion) would be counter to the more than justifiable reasons and principles the founders of this forum had in mind when they created Skadi in the first place.

We of Germanic heritage are a proud and noble people with a great and rich history. Isn't it enough that we must endure seemingly daily an ever constant barrage of anger directed towards us (by idiots mind you) in the REAL world that we would now consider opening the door and welcoming said idiots into our "VIRTUAL" world?

I for one see no positive benefit at all in making Skadi Forum open and available to non-Germanics.

It is obvious that I am very passionate about this topic and I would very much appreciate feedback from my brothers and sisters about this.

Thank you very much.

Sissi
Saturday, April 9th, 2011, 06:34 PM
This topic looks old so I don't know if it was discussed or decided at the time but here is my view nonetheless: I think the idea could work if the debate section was moderated and the opposition were guests. They wouldn't become members because that would avoid spamming with insulting messages or reputation points and accessing private areas or attachments.

Needless to say, the discussion would have to be polite. If someone wants to make a point and question the board's views, (s)he should do it in a civil tone. Anti-Germanic slurs shouldn't be allowed from the opposition.

On the other hand, such a section isn't really necessary, in my opinion. It has worked well so far the way it is and sometimes the status quo isn't a bad thing. We don't need to change and modify all the time, especially if there are no signs of a realistic need. There haven't been many visible efforts from the opposition to post in the Questions About Germanics forum, for example.

Huginn ok Muninn
Saturday, April 9th, 2011, 08:33 PM
If everyone here is prepared to devote half their time to fielding the same endless, idiotic questions based upon regurgitated multiculturalist propaganda, fine. I don't think we are, and I think doing that would weaken the message. If people are interested, let them read the forum. They will get answers enough there.

lewevanhoop
Saturday, April 9th, 2011, 10:13 PM
I voted no!
While i am not in agreement with some people here especially about the place of the Jewish peoples I do love this forum the way it is and have learned a great deal and have come to appreciate my Germanic heritage more. I don't feel the idea of an anti forum would be a real benefit to anyone and would really interfere with the purpose of this forum.

Hamar Fox
Saturday, April 9th, 2011, 10:44 PM
Most people would find it fun. Just observe how many members view a thread when there's a heated (preferably hostile) debate raging. People love it, though lots of people like to pretend to be above it. As long as the trolls were barred from posting outside of the opposition area, it shouldn't be a problem for anyone. Maybe new threads and posts in that section should be omitted from the 'new posts' section, so nobody who doesn't want to read or know about what they post could get by without even noticing the section.

Most of the time online, debating antis ends up in us getting banned or modded. It'd be nice to be able to debate with them freely without the looming thread of moderation should you start to thrash them a little too much.

Thusnelda
Sunday, April 10th, 2011, 01:00 AM
Well, I stick to my opinion that we don´t need antis or opposing views here. I guess we´ve enough to do with them in daily life and on other websites. :| We shouldn´t waste our precious time with talking against windmills. Let´s use our time for ourselves and Germanic matters. :) Skadi has a higher standard than other, more lowbrow forums where trolling and drama are the core of the board and source of most of its "entertainment factor". Do we really need to maintain a zoo of antis and other peculiar people? I doubt it.

Elessar
Sunday, April 10th, 2011, 02:18 AM
I say No.
We wouldn't want to give an opportunity for Anon to ravage the site and, god forbid, the likes of Encyclopedia Dramatica creating a page for our beloved Skadi like they've done for Stormfront (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Stormfront)already (though it's tame by their standards, and no I'm not comparing the quality of Skadi to Stormfront which has been discussed endlessly).

Sure it'd be fun to "debate" with dissidents, but that's not what we're here for, personal differences aside. There's SF, The Apricity, Youtube, 4chan, DeviantART, BBC comment threads, and a whole internet to have fun with and debate more or less with those who don't share our views.

Skadi is rather sacrosanct.

lewevanhoop
Sunday, April 10th, 2011, 02:24 AM
Skadi is rather sacrosanct.

I have to agree there. Skadi is just too great a site to risk allowing all of the mouth breathers out there to ruin.

Oslaf
Sunday, April 10th, 2011, 04:05 AM
Stormfront has an opposition forum where trolls and antis can post. It's a good exercise to debate and test our arguments against multiculturalism, and it keeps them away from the rest of the forum, so we can be among our own only. How about making one here on Skadi to restrict the antis and trolls?

This is not Stormfront. Stormfront is a cesspit of degradation.

Melisande
Sunday, April 10th, 2011, 04:46 AM
Well, it does already. Look at threads about interracial relationships, Slavic and Germanic or homosexuality for example. It's beyond me how nationalists can support or excuse such degeneration. The forum is a forum "for people of Germanic heritage" but some are open to multiculturalism and mixing with non-Germanics. Instead of having these argument wars all over the forum, they would be much suited for an anti section.

So Germanics automatically agree on everything? Is that really true of your own family? They all agree on everything?

At any rate, it's not my observation that people who come from Germanic roots (most English, most Scandinavians, most German nationals, and many others) agree on everything - including multiculturalism etc.

If they all agreed, it would be a very different world.

There's no reason why there should be a separate section for the "anti-section." First of all you'd have to figure out which group of Germanics is in the majority (and just look at the polls here - there are very many different opinions). Even if just 15-20% were isolated to those threads, you would be weakening your numbers quite a bit.

All of this is helping me understand why Germanics cannot form a political or cultural coalition - the separatists are quite a large group - but probably not quite half.

It seems we who are part Anglo-Saxon (English) are particularly in the minority. Good luck without us - if that's what you want to do.

Hamar Fox
Sunday, April 10th, 2011, 11:24 AM
Sure it'd be fun to "debate" with dissidents, but that's not what we're here for, personal differences aside. There's SF, The Apricity, Youtube, 4chan, DeviantART, BBC comment threads, and a whole internet to have fun with and debate more or less with those who don't share our views.


Yeah, but there's limitations to the fun that can be had in those places. Places like Youtube are fun to troll; there's little to no moderation there. But the people I debate with there are essentially know nothings. They'll usually make an uneducated comment about, say, genetics, I'll refute them, and then they'll simply not reply. There's no challenge there, and because of that I don't learn anything from debating them, my arguments aren't put to the test and therefore don't evolve or improve in any way. 4chan is only fun if you like talking to seven year olds. TA is heavily modded, and if you don't have gypsy heritage, you're on every moderator's watch list. And, again, the people there aren't very intelligent and therefore debates with them are neither fun nor edifying.

I think the only antis who'd be drawn to a site like this would be the ones who actually felt they were up to the task of challenging us, which means they'd probably know something about history, genetics, philosophy etc. Maybe in a sustained debate (as opposed to the Youtube ones that always end in the other quitting once you demonstrate you're a lot smarter than they are) we'd get some valuable insights into the mentality and tactics of our enemies.

Horagalles
Sunday, April 10th, 2011, 02:08 PM
Whether one needs a Ghetto for trolls anmdis question that only becomes relevant once one has decided to tolerate these people at all. I think most people here are trying to say they don't want trolls and Antis here. However IF they would be allowed, to have them in a limited area is certainly the better option then allowing them to trample on the hole corn field here.

feisty goddess
Sunday, April 10th, 2011, 09:59 PM
Ugh, I am not in favor of an opposing views forum. IMO its better to just ban the people who make statements that are too outrageous, and are obviously just trying to be annoying or play around. Looking at the opposing views forum can be quite exhausting and stressful, but I just can't help reading it. We shouldn't devote our time and effort to create a place where they will try to make us run around like chickens with our heads cut off when they create threads like "Am I aryan?" or "You guys are dumb asses."

Besides, it ruins the feel of the forum. When I come there is a true sense of Germanic culture and intellectualism; I feel at home, special, and relaxed around people like me who mostly respect my point of view and I respect theirs. If you invite in all the wackos and trolls they will f*ck it up. Skadi doesn't need a change, I would rather have a bit of deadness than risk messing up what we already have. It's the weekend before spring break, perhaps people are doing things with their families and don't have a lot of time to post.

Although I try to respect other people's ideas because I want others to respect mine, I have a hard time not being annoyed by the gay sympathizers and "libertarians" (call for the legalization of marijuana etc.) but that's just part of keeping Skadi a friendly and respectful environment.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, January 31st, 2020, 05:47 AM
What I've noticed, is that there isn't enough of a mental radar profile for people about metaethnic preservation. Most fora are pro- or anti- racial, civic nationalist or civic socialist, but ethnic nationalism is too ridiculed as fuddy-duddy for anybody to even think of metaethnic forms, save as a footnote joke trivialising purported NS objectives in WWII. As it is, Skadi doesn't get much traffic compared to racial purist Stormfront or racial pluralist Apricity, for instance, whereas "mainstream" boards are all civic nationalist or civic socialist. I want to restore the nation-state, which in my society means the Angelfolc equivalent of Volksdeutsch.

Gegenschlag
Friday, January 31st, 2020, 03:06 PM
Debate on who is considered Germanic should be allowed. Some people think Nicole Kidman is somehow Germanic while Sabine Lisicki isn't. I wounder if they also think Latin Americans are Spanish. Discussion and debate brings life and activity to a forum.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, January 31st, 2020, 05:47 PM
I would rather not see threads like: "Am I Germanic Enough? Where Can I Pass?"

Chlodovech
Friday, January 31st, 2020, 08:08 PM
Debate on who is considered Germanic should be allowed.

And not on what is Germanic. From this follows that Dacians, North Slavs and Lombards aren't Germanic.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Friday, January 31st, 2020, 09:06 PM
And not on what is Germanic. From this follows that Dacians, North Slavs and Lombards aren't Germanic.

Dacians and North Slavs never were. Lombards and Franks were or are, in the eye of the beholder. Thankfully, that's not my problem.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Saturday, February 1st, 2020, 12:03 AM
And you need to get over the fact that mixing with Russians is in no way Germanic preservation whatever definition you give to the words.

There are Germans who speak nonsense too. They said nothing about making the forum exclusive to Germans. It's about quarantining the members who don't respect Germanic preservation and worship aliens.

To be fair, Oswiu is a Lebensborn activist and so is Trump. Back in the day, it was all about killing all the men, raping all the women and enslaving all the children. This happened in NS Germany and the GDR then and goes on now there by Rapefugees. In any case, to condemn Oswiu should require confessions by Austro-Hungarian Lebensborn, about how miscegenated they are and should be scolded as the bastards Oswiu may be making in his own bed. Too much hypocrisy when Continental admixes are deemed glorious by default. As it were, Sweden-Finland is not far from Austria-Hungary, so who's going to get all squinty-eyed about somebody else having an epicanthic fold?

For a thousand years, the Reich combined Germany with Italy, whether or not France or Bohemia also took part. German Confederation and Empire was based on the French Rheinbund, whilst Austria and Prussia, Ostsiedlung colonies were vying for whether Slav or Balt admix was supreme, which is no better or worse than Britain having its own R1a-majority empire in India outside the realm instead of being integrated within. I'm not saying we should or even could parse Italo-Celtic R1b from West Germanic nations, but Finnicisms are likewise endemic to North Germanic nations, or at least cluster with Finland. Scratch anyone and you find Italo-Celtics, Balto-Slavics or Finno-Ugrics underneath and every subgroup of Germanic is adamant about their own purity.

Perhaps it is those collective admixes which define Germanics as a whole on some PCA chart. As for myself, I am R1a like any Balto-Slav or Indo-Iranian, even if my Z284 clade is found primarily in Norway, the Faroes and Orkney, ultimately of Baltic origin. If true (East) Germanics are I1, this necessarily also disqualifies West Slavic R1a clade L664 in East Germany, not Indians in particular as some special leprosy group. Some may be too quick to forget about the Alans of the Völkerwanderung, who may have been R1a also, even as they cry about Gypsies and Indians. To put it plainly, only I1 East Germanics, the root of the Swedes in particular, are bonafide Germanic, or rather Gothic, to be accurate.

No small irony that I haplogroup is Nordic, J haplogroup Mediterranean and R haplogroup Alpine. I Übermenschen and J untermenschen are brothers, sons of mittelmenschen haplogroup IJ, Eurabian Allfather. R haplogroup East Indo-Europeans and Q haplogroup West Amerindians are brothers, sons of Indian P (QR). If we're honest about Blut und Boden, we must be real about who is fundamentally Germanic and who isn't. Most of our forefathers didn't build any of the Northern Megaliths or Stonehenge, etc, because they were charioteer bowmen stalking the herds of the Steppe. All of a sudden, I don't care to be seen as "European", because that's haplogroup I, brother of Arabian J. They're IJ's left and right testicles, so no wonder they're all Jewish, Christian and Muslim. R haplogroup is all about Dharmic Hinduism, Buddhism and our branch of Paganism, similar to our Q shamanic brethren with spirit guides.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Saturday, February 1st, 2020, 12:13 AM
I voted "No." Multiculturalist forums are always attacking German peoples. My mother was said to have pig flesh by a moderator when I posted her picture on his forum. I received the exact same racism that was ascribed to Germanocentrists. Ultimately, I came to this forum because of it. To me, they already have their chance to rave on and on. Although, I do understand a certain desire to put some boots on and stomp them:D

My perfect retort is to be proud of my pig-farming grandparents and say that I am what I eat. If I'm not Kosher enough, too bad for you.

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Saturday, February 1st, 2020, 12:29 AM
I say No.
We wouldn't want to give an opportunity for Anon to ravage the site and, god forbid, the likes of Encyclopedia Dramatica creating a page for our beloved Skadi like they've done for Stormfront (http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Stormfront)already (though it's tame by their standards, and no I'm not comparing the quality of Skadi to Stormfront which has been discussed endlessly).

Sure it'd be fun to "debate" with dissidents, but that's not what we're here for, personal differences aside. There's SF, The Apricity, Youtube, 4chan, DeviantART, BBC comment threads, and a whole internet to have fun with and debate more or less with those who don't share our views.

Skadi is rather sacrosanct.

I agree that the potential for abuse is an open door, once a guest subforum is hosted, causing mods or even admins having to clean up the mess.

Depending on what kind of person you are, I'm either interesting enough for debate or you leave me to soapbox without interaction. I find more inspiration for analysis and criticism than some circlejerk tomfoolery. People who want a safe space bubble claim to have strong opinions and don't want them changed, but are too weak to defend them. I'm raw; I'm blunt and articulate at the same time, so too bad if weaklings think that's trollery. Cowardice is despicable and unmanly.